*blocks your path*

>>85869054
What Total War mod is this?

>>85869054
>no siege equipment
what did they mean by this?

>>85869268
it's clearly vanilla, look at the pathetic unit sizes

>>85869762
Never heard of a cold siege? Cut off the target from being supplied and wait for them to surrender.

>>85869795
that didn't look like a cold siege. they basically skipped the battle in 3 seconds

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>siege
>no trebuchets

>>85869054
I don't watch this garbage, did they at least go full retard and make the army almost completely swordsmen?

>>85871146
didn't you hear it wasn't their forté

>>85869054
the longer I look at this the funnier it gets

>>85869795
Except they usually take weeks to months.

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>>85869054
It's a shame they skipped over two battles in this episode but I'm sure they're saving for bigger battles later.

>>85871259
Yes, it was Tyrells defending against the Lannisters AND their own allies. They had no chance at all.

That does not look like a large force, maybe a few thousand?

I thought game of thrones deals with tens of thousand of men each battle

>>85871394
When it isn't their forte it only takes a few good men

>>85871366
Pretty much. This Sunday, and Ep 6 will be where most of the budget for the season went.

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What bothers me was that the plan as told by Tyrion was that both Dorne and Tyrells were supposed to attack kingslanding together and yet when Tyrells get attacking the old bitch comes out and says
>it was never our forte

Why the fuck would she be ok with her army attacking kingslanding then? Why didn't she disclose this information to Tyrion or KellyC?

Is Miguel Sapochnik not directing any episodes this season? He did Hardhome and Battle of Bastards, so I was hoping he would do one of the bigger episodes this year.

>>85869054
some please explain this. Did they just let them in?

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>>85871366
>but I'm sure they're saving for bigger battles later.

Shut up and enjoy your ~2 minutes of CGI dragon flight, bitch

>>85871476
It means she lost her fucking bannermen, mainly the Tarlys who are skilled at war and marched against her in the end.

Do you even watch this show?

>>85869054
with greyjoys attacking casterly rock and the lanisters army going for highgarden wouldn't this be the perfect timing to take kings landing?

>>85871552
Not him but did she already know the Tarlys betrayed her before the battle started?

>>85871601
Wouldn't kings landing have its own army?

>>85871614
I'm assuming she didn't know until she saw what's in OPs pic

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>>85869054
>no siege equipment at all
>not even fucking ladders
>mounted knights in a siege
>cavalry in the center of the infantry formation
>no baggage train

Is this an auto-resolved battle against the AI?

>>85871698
maybe they had a battering ram or high garden wasn't fortified so they just rode in

>>85871614
I think it went down like this:
>Tarly keeps his defection secret
>Olenna hears of the Lannister Army, sends Tarly and the rest of the Reachman to deal with it
>Tarly and Jaime meet each other, shake hands and march together to highgarden with olenna none the wiser.

An imperfect but still appropriate historical comparison could be the army that was sent to arrest Napoleon but defected to him on the spot, his their leaders in Paris none the wiser until too late.

>>85871698
Ever since s1 the show has made clear that logical military matters aren't their forte

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>>85869054
I definitely go like this !!!

>>85871740
was there anything in particular wrong with how s1 portrayed war?
there was only a few things at the end

>>85871763
autists will nitpick everything like they pick dingleberries off of their uncles anus

>>85869054
Normally the Lannisters can field 60 000 strong.

At the current time after all the battles and the war of the five kings let's assume they have left with 40 000. Then some of the tweet bannerman supported them so the army should be around 50 000.

I see only around 10 000 which is very very little for a siege or army

>>85871763
Dont think season 1 even had a war scene

>>85871808
>Tarly bannermen*

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>>85869054
>make the army in your show look low budget by being puny
>even though they're not extras like in the old days, but all-CG
What did they mean by this?

>>85871808
>Reach
>fielding the largest army in Westeros
>boohoo not our forte

maybe their tactics sucked but they had numbers

>>85871808
maybe they didn't send their entire force since they control the iron throne now.

remember some were left at casterly rock and kings landing and probably some other places

>>85871830
there were battles, just almost entirely off-screen

>>85871869
Most of that army has sided with the Lannisters thanks to Tarly, who is also likely the greatest general in westeros and has always bee the true muscle of the reach.

>>85871808
I think some autist counted and there were only like 2000 guys in that shot

>>85871845
That picture, though CGI reliant, almost looks artistic. Like the white of helms deep makes a gloomy contrast amidst the ocean of darkness.

Pretty kino, I think.

>>85869054
>LMAO Dude just betray your ancestral liegelord who is the richest person in Westeros and join us the incestuous usurpers with no money or men.
>Why?
>We had 10,000 red uniforms made just for you
>KK see you in 10

What did D&D mean by this.

Why didn't Joff invite the Reach lords over to KL the first time when the Tyrells were pro-Renly?

>Joff: "The Tyrells are in open rebellion. We can't let Renly become king! Degeneracy will run rampant and your soldiers will fugg amongst each other!"

>Tarly: "NOOO, I don't want Dickon to become the gay emperor of Essos!"

>Tarly then takes a Lannister army and marches on Highgarden, which is now defenseless because all soldiers are in Renly's camp.

>Highgarden falls.

>Because the Lannisters are now away. Robb takes Casterly Rock, but it doesn't matter anyway because LOL NO GOLD and his army starves to death because LOL NO FOOD.

BAM, season 2 resolved in season 7 fashion

Nailed it.

>>85869795
highgarden was the go-to place for kings landig when they needed food

NO ONE HAS MORE THAN THEM
they could have easily afforded a seige and wait for dany to come fuck the lanisters

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>>85872373
DABID!
THE FOOD!
THE FOOD DABID
WHAT IF ALL OF THE LAST FOOD BEFORE WINTER IS IN A WAGGON TREK?
IT'S LIKE THE OREGON TRAIL DABID
AND THEN WHEN THE DRAGON ATTACKS ALL OF IT IS GONE
THE FOOD IS GONE DABID
THATS HOW WESTEROS LOSES THEIR FOOD

>>85871763
Mostly it avoided shoing large battles altogether.

>>85872004
IMO, the LotR movies showed excelent judgement in when and how to use cgi, in addition to relying on actors in prosthetics and structures represented with miniatures when it made more sense. I wish the Hobbit movies had the same touch.

>>85872072
The weirdest part is that Randyll almost won Robert's rebellion war for the Lannisters, but now somehow has an issue with their heir seated on the throne again?

Wat?

>>85872455
>Reach
>modeled from medieval France
>muh Arizona canyons somehow on the Gold Rose
Huh?

>>85869054
you can count the rows of soldiers. Using simple math and overestimating there doesn't seem to be more than 1k soldiers.

>shoot some rocks at them
>set fires to funnel them
>shoot some arrows
>widdle down to 500
>duke it out with your soldiers now that its even

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>>85869268

Medieval 2 Total War has better unit detail then that, and its more then 10 years old

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>>85869054
WHY IS THE CAVALRY SURROUNDED BY FOOT TROOPS

WHAT IS THE POINT OF EVEN HAVING CAVALRY

WHAT THE FUCK

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>Highgarden is at least 700 miles from Lannisport
>Assuming they marched 15-18 miles per day with wagons on the main road to carry all the supplies, it would take at least 5 weeks to get to Highgarden
>It would take even longer if they went cross country
>Highgarden had no idea about the impending attack despite a large Lannister host that would have been easily spotted
>Highgarden had no scouts around despite being in open rebellion against the throne
>Highgarden fell, presumably on the first day of fighting, despite having a fortified castle with a battle hardened army that defeated Stannis at KL, and food rations that could last years, with access to plenty of sea and road routes
>All of this was done by a Lannister army with no siege equipment

>>85869795
That would take months or years for a castle the size of highgarden. No, they implied taking it by force.

>>85873023
But why when they're all CG so it makes barely any difference if it's a 1k or a 100k strong army? Are they this lazy?

>>85871385

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieges_of_Stirling_Castle

>>85873023
are you retarded? I count each unit as being 12x4 = 48. There are 90 units of just foot soldiers. that's 4320 + cavalry + archers and it's around 4.5k total

>>85873224
are you asking me why they decided to go with such a small number of soldiers? Cause fuck all if i know.

I'm only talking about how to deal with op's pic blocking my path

>>85871394
Looks like around 7000 troops.

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>>85871698
>open console
>auto_win "attacker"

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>>85873360
What did they mean by this?

>>85871808
>>85871946

there is like 7000 in that shot max, i counted around 90 blocks of approx 72 men + 12 block of approx 18 cavalry and then a few thin lines of archers or crossbowmen or something

>>85873411
The british chieftain is a chariot unit. Autoresolve loves chariots for whatever reason, which is why you'd often see Egy and/or Pontus roflstomp TSE. If you modded the AI to do naval invasions, the britons would often conquer the entire northern half of the map just with chariot chieftains and cheap slingers.

>>85871217
>no petards

She didn't say it wasn't their forte, she said it wasn't their fort, meaning the lannisters had the moral highground in taking it.

They must have attacked the walls with their swords until it caught fire and fell apart to get in since I don't see any, you know, FUCKING SIEGE EQUIPMENT

>no catapults
>no trebuchet
>no battering ram
>no ladders
>no sapping equipment or sapper unit
>no ropes and hooks
>no cannons
>no magicians
How are they going to break through the walls? By screaming at them?

Game of Thrones is oriented at feminists.
Obviously they will use a feminists to screech at the walls and gates that they should check their privilege, and the walls and the gates will automatically open a path.

>>85873772
It was their fortè.

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King's Landing was actually held only thanks to Tyrell army and supplies. And Tyrells bannermen had no reason to deflect to crazy murderous bitch with no money and no legitimacy.

>>85873147
D&D don´t give shit about geography, both people and armies now just randomly teleport.

>>85872004
The only thing thats not cgi is helms deep. I really liked the miniatures they created for the trilogy

>It's a Game of Thrones doesn't understand basic medieval tactics and makes the battle off-screen episode
I can't even be surprised anymore. This show is trash.

>>85874013
Barad-dur was an 8-9 foot tall miniature iirc and it looks better than any cg today

>>85873995
yes but Cersei made a deal with the iron bank, so now she can materialize supplies out of thin air

>>85874110
BANK LOANS DABID

Reminder that the season is now half over and we know everything.

>>85874035
It has been since season 2. I gave up on it when they showed the dragons flying in formation out of Astapor. Total show-off bullshit for stupid manchildren. Also, the dialogue writing is a joke. You can really tell when and where the show writers took over from the books.

>>85874202
You know Game of Thrones haven't shown every battle from the beginning right? None of you were complaining during season 1.

>>85872672
That's not the reach, it's the crownlands

>>85873995
Imagine being Salsa in that scene

>>85874330
>None of you were complaining during season 1.

Because it had internal consistence
Because s1 had no battles whatsoever

Why are you so stupid?

The Lannister contributed the primary field army, especially before the Battle of the Blackwater, with relatively little help from Highgarden. Desertion, disease and actual combat losses should have halved their numbers at least. I don't suppose the houses of the Crownlands are worth more than 10k effectively, and the Lannisters may not have had the organizational capacity to bring in fresh recruits due to internal power struggles and lots of "changes" in "leadership". Even a barebone garrison at Casterly Rock should require 500-1000 men, and the Goaldcloaks are too unreliable to let them run the city without at least 2k loyal Lannister soldiers permanently stationed there.

Then there are preparations to be made for the coming winter to be made and leaving the army in camp would be a bad and costly idea. Most bannermen would have been sent home and who know how many will properly remobilize after the disasterous succession of Cercei. I'll be harsh and cut 10000 from the numbers, also accounting for random attrition, winter prep and a possible underestimation of losses against Rob.

So, on their own they might be able to field roughly 27000 men. Let's prep that up with 10000 traitors from Tarly and others (most defectors would probably opt to remain neutral until one side gains the upper hand). That's 37000.

>>85875197
On the other side Highgarden alone should have enough men and resources to resist a prolonged siege. Starving them out is not an option. But the assumption that they would hide behind their walls and let the Lannisters ravage their land (before winter!) is also very shaky. So Old O would call her banners against the Lannisters to find out than some don't turn up and a few are even rumored to have switched sides, and Dornish support didn't turn up at all.

Let's assume Highgarden could muster some 100k men at the beginning of the war, if they had wanted to. 10k lost through attrition and battle (again being harsh). 10k defect. 20k wait for the shituation to resolve itself. 15-20k being bound by Greyjoy forces (in the book they took the Arbor and some settlements along a major river, and continue to plague the countryside). That leaves them at around 40k. So even in their worst shape, Highgarden can match the Lannisters, unless I seriously underestimated the number of defections. That means open battle. A prolonged siege is impossible (WINTER IS COMING HURR) and the Tyrell men alone could take on any attacker, although they would probably not win by default. The show presents us with a storm, but without given us any context or showing the actual situation (because the writers know fuckall about sieges and shit), and makes it look like an easy win for the Lannisters, when they should have endured predictably severe losses, after which their chances of actually defeating Dany's forces would have been very slim. But then, the Unsullied would have never gotten around Dorne to invade the Westerlands with the Ironborn controlling the whole damn area. Look at the fucking map. This is infuriatingly stupid.

>>85874713
>>85874110
>>85873995
>>85873147
it isnt even just the pure logistics, its basic understanding of warfare or even common fucking knowledge that anyone past the education of a 6th grade would know that a kingdom would have guard towers, people watching borders, people watching common foot paths and routes

like, nigger, even 8 year olds would know this shit

>>85874330
>battles
>s1
Come on now, s1 was about politics and it was great. And if you remember gooing to the cappital was a big deal in s1 not a fucking joke.

>>85875580
The whole plan is ridiculous anyways and completely relies on a fucking deus ex (although the staging with at least somewhat mediocre, compared to the outright horror of most of the show). It would have been much more sensible to take Harrenhall and advance on Casterly Rock overland. This would have given D a better way to communicate with her allies, cut off the Freys, create lot's of opportunities to show off her dragons, gobble up some wet-pants-turncoats along the way and meet with people in person to show them she's not an insane nutjob like her father.

>>85871709
>one of the largest fortresses of Westeros wasn't fortified

>>85871709
How can a fortress not be fortified? Did they unhinge the doors or what?

Do you think GRRM will notice all the reactions of redditors and people on the internet happily eating up the shitty, nonsensical, inconsistent writing and teleporting people/armies of the tv series and as a result will feel like getting lazier and doing the same thing to a larger extent in the books?

The Books already have a little bit of convenient teleporting and I feel like GRRM might be inclined to start amping it up just to wrap things up more easily.

How small is the Tyrell army to succumb to a siege with no siege weapons?

>>85876198
I actually think it's the opposite and Martin is depressed at the state of this shitshow by now. That's why he's taking so long.

>>85876198
>convenient teleporting
if anything this happened more in the first couple
the later ones have longer journeys typically

>>85876198
the show doesn't tell us how far it skips into the future. it could be weeks, months. either way you're a worthless piece of shit

>>85869054
That's actually a pathetically small army.

>>85872455
JUST

>>85869054
Who's feeding the 40 thousand strong dothraki army? Where are they all these months? Sitting on ships?

And who's feeding the 8000 unsullied?

They are skimming over so much. The logistics of having a standing army that large is incomprehensible.

>>85878360
dunno lol

>>85878360
they were being fed with food from the reach that Jaime stole and Dany burned when attacking the lannisters

>>85869054
>his castle doesnt have a back door

>>85869795
>surprise attack
>siege

literally the dumbest fuck in the thread.

>>85878717
but that's the other side of the continent from Dragonstone. And they never show the massive army.

i cant imagine all the dothraki sitting on ships with their horses for months on end

>>85872072
>LMAO Dude just betray your ancestral liegelord who is the richest person in Westeros

welcome to reality

>>85872072
>>Why?
>Because your liegelord went full leftism
>say no word

>>85878940
>>85879284
Cersei made some good arguments. Made it look like westeros is getting invaded by savages and the only reason the Tyrells and Dorn side is them is blind vengeance

>>85869054
>EPISODE 4 LEAKED
EPISODE 4 LEAKED
>EPISODE 4 LEAKED

GTFIH NIGGERS

https://vimeo.com/228359963

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>>85869054
YAAAAS QUEEEEN, GURL POWUR YESH!!
oh btw I also burned all our food supplies teehee

>>85881602
why are you posting spoilers faggot?

>>85869054
>need 4 sec shot of a cg army.
>don't even bother making it more than 100 soldiers
I understand in live action TV shows you can't get the number of extras you want, but for a clip like this, come on.

>>85869054
Why not just have jamie blow up the wall with some wildfire?
Then it would suddenly have made sense

>>85881602
>imma ride this dragon, just be holding on to some of its spikes.
Could they not have added a saddle or something?

>>85881744
That's like 6000k to 8000k men

>>85881850
she's literally surrounded by thousands of horse specialists who could probably design a saddle for her but that would be too practical and logical for dabid

>>85881921

>6 000 000 to 8 000 000

You really think there are 6million people in the shot, A thousand if that you ever been to a public event or a football match?

>>85882045
6K to 8K *

:)

>>85873056
You can't even see the units, sperg.

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>>85873147
GRRM battles
>siege equipment on both sides
>large armies made of multiple lords
>very slow moving masses of death
>massive destruction follow them
>everything is reasonably placed geographically.

D&D battles
>lol we don't need siege equipment
>multiple banners? lol no just make them all red
>just teleport the army across the country
>show none of the rape pillaging and burning of every town on the way.
>The cities and castles are just there don't think about it.


GRRM dedicated 2 books to the affected of war of the 5 kings. You got to read how lanister men brutalized the local farmers for fun. How locals turned into brutalizers in response. War is ugly and brutal to all involved.

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>>85882186
exaggerate more bookfag

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>>85882186
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>>85873107
Must be a French formation anon.

>>85873107
If you sat through the Battle of the Bastards, then you should be well aware that the hack writers don't have a clue about formations, tactics, and strategies.

so which one of you has the episode 4 leaks?

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>>85885527
me

>>85884014
BRAAAAAAAP

>>85886408
torrent please

>>85886408
no point watchng it if its not HD

>>85874655
That's even dumber.

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>>85886408
>torrents out at 360p

what's the point?

>>85873107
What ya gonna use that cavalry for when assaulting a castle?

>>85871366
Can't wait for night time battle 10.
Seriously though id imagine large scale battles at night in medieval times were fairly rare?

this fucking soap opera is the most retarded thing USA has ever conceived

why don't the mods just ban everyone that fucking mentions this normalfaggotry

>>85869054
Wasn't there a castle that withstood siege during Robert's Rebellion for like 8 years or some shit?

I think one of the shadow babies was used to take it.

>>85871709
Highgarden has 3 concentric walls that each get taller. It's on a hill. It's incredibly well supplied.

It couldn't be taken with so little men.

>>85873224
because it was a pretty realistic sized medieval era army, this is not lord of the rings where you have 100 thousand orcs marching against someone

>>85869054
me on the left

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>>85888643
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE

>>85876198
>teleporting in the books

There are chapters and chapters of characters just traveling places.

>>85873107
Because its a siege and the commander/higher ranking knights don't want to walk around.

It's not like they are going to send a cavalry charge to crash into a wall.

Also, GoT stopped caring seasons ago, why should you?

>>85872672
High Garden borders Dorne.
Also Spain has places that look like that and Spain borders France.
It's not that hard to imagine they'd pass into terrain like that marching on High Castle.

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>>85881602

LOOK AT THOSE PATRIARCHIST WHITE MALES RUN AND SCREAM

AAHAHAHAHHAAHAAH

GIRL POWER

>>85873224
It looks small, but its roughly 5,000 which is OK for a medieval sized army. I mean, its on the smaller side, but there could be another 2,000 - 5,000 men on the other side of the castle.
You probably wouldn't want to just attack one side. Then again, you also probably would want to have at least one piece of siege equipment.

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>>85869054
I counted 7,392~ soldiers which would be a farely standard army size for a early/mid medieval europe-like army.

The cavalry numbers and placement are fucking laughable though. Then again it is the show that had a cavalry charge into a dense wood and a cav charge into spears.

>>85884014
Danaerys caca

>>85887281
watching it and spoiling you cocksuckers

>>85887281
So we can tell you that bronn dies to the dragon after he hits it with the balista.

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>>85871698
InCase is the artist BTW