Explain this showfags

>>85805378
obviously euron had magical powers and he could summon the fog at will

not even fellow hardened pirate lesjoy could....see it coming

*ba dum tss*

>>85805378
King's Landing and Dragonstone are that close and nobody bothered to fucking capture it in all this time?
Thanks D&D you hacks

>>85805378
Tbf, we don't know exactly where he went with 2/3

why can't D&D write an "evil" character that isn't a Mary Sue?

same with Ramsay. that guy knew everything, never failed at anything

>>85805378
It's television, who fucking cares. You faggots are beyond autistic.

You can only see a couple miles out on the horizon. Clearly that is many more miles of sea, so they could have easily passed each other.

>>85805676
it irked me that there was not even some bandits or hobos at dragonstone...or at least have some local groundskeeper with his family or something

its a big bitchin castle and all empty after so long

Euron IS Arya

>>85805719
GoT used to be about not letting the good guys cheat, now it's about letting the bad guys cheat

he swiped Varys' jetpack

>>85805764
25 miles on level ground. A lot more if you got the height of a good lookout tower.

>>85805779
HOLY SHIT BOYS HES ACTUALLY RIGHT HAHAHAHHA

Euron's Ironborn picked up their boats and carried them to the other side of westeros.

Duh

They're gonna go the Robert Jordan route and have key players "discover" teleporting. Probably retroactively

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>fighting over who will be the first to kill the Mountain

>loses a fight to a drug addict 2 on 1 (many more if you count Yara and random grunts)

they should have made it more of a scene

>>85805378
Do it at night and do it near opposite to Dragonstone shore. Also, female admiral know shit about how to manage a fleet.

>>85805378
Do you even understand how big are seas/oceans?

>>85805936
>Those two perfect specimens of non white women next to that abomination

>>85805946
but Yara was Greyjoy all her life and ran many raids herself

theres no excuse for her not to know what kind of person her uncle is

>>85805756
Hello newfag

>"lets make it realistic guys!"
>Euron takes an entire season to make at least one of these travels

just enjoy the show, jesus fuck

>>85805756
>Consistency and logic is stupid

>>85805378
D&D haven't looked at a map of Westeros in 10 years when they skimmed the books

>>85806035
If you don't like realism, give him a flying ship with turbines.

showfags don't know the geography of westeros so they'll never pick this issue up

also the order of the scenes don't necessarily have to chronological, it could be

1. euron proposes to cersei, departs KL
2. euron captures yara and rekts the unsullied or the other way around
3. euron returns to KL

so only 2 passes

still retarded tho

>>85805378
not only that, the sullied started on their journey to casterly rock at the same time as yara and sandsnakes

so euron did all of that and still managed to arrive at casterly rock just barely half a day after the unsullied

>>85805378
i assumed euron wasnt with his fleet at casterly rock.

>>85805378
>>85805378
GRRM had a note on chronology in his books that's relevant to the show as well. Many chapters take place at the same time as other chapters and they can be as brief as a few minutes, to the events of the chapter taking up to a month. It's applicable to show as well and the various narratives of the characters.

If this show did something even approximating real time, 99% of the show would be people travelling uneventfully from one location to another. You don't know how long Euron's voyage took, it for all intents and purposes, it could have been year(s). Just because it happened it a couple episodes time doesn't necessarily mean that it was a brief span.

I would venture to say most of this season chronologically is covering larger spans of time than any of the previous, you have Jaime at kings landing and then sieging highgarden. You have the unsullied at dragonstone and then sieging casterly rock. Just because all of this happened within 3 episodes DOES NOT mean it happened in a relatively brief amount of time.

>>85806035
Yeah that's kind of what the show used to be about
Now it's just the good guys and the bad guys running around at light speeds, smashing their armies together with no intrigue.
The most sophisticated political backstabbing that D&D came up with last season was literal backstsbbing.

When did this Euron is Arya meme come about?

>>85806035
You don't have to take an entire season to infer a passage of time or a long distance covered. Why are you and others defending such staggeringly shit and disjointed direction?

What part of DRAGONS don't you understand?

Why does /got/ call Dany 'Kelly'?

>>85805936
The only good Sandsnake is the boy.

Just peel it off the skin

>>85806598
..what?

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>>85806605
This pic from a few years back I'm pretty sure

Your rape, Sansa

So beautiful

The rape, I mean

You cry

So rape

SANSUH
EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME ALL AT ONCE
EVEN IF IT ISN'T ACTUALLY HAPPENING
IT IS

>>85805776
THIS

How do you left abandoned and don't defend the closet castle and the home of the targaryen that it was so possible Daenerys will land there?

>>85806113
So is watching a show you hate every week.

>>85805998
Welp, raids are one thing, managing a flotilla in defence is other thing. Jeeeze, she didn't organize vanguard or rearguard, or Flank guard and she got an enemy's flagship right into middle of her formation. She is an incompetent commander.

>>85806605
>>85806670
That is her name you fucking mongs.

>>85806772
in fairness, in the age of sail fleets did quite often just bump into each other. The real stretch is Euron finding her and being instantly battle prepped.

>>85806605
>Why does /got/ call Dany 'Kelly'
b2reddit

>>85805378

His fleet is faster than any other considering theyre pirate ships. The battle with Yara took place closer to the point which is just outside blackwater bay

Grey worms fleet arent made for speed and theyre heavily laden with heavy infantry and they traveled 3000 miles with inferior sailors and captains that dont know the waters as well. I think they fastest fleet in westeros made up of an armada of pirate ships with a captain that knows the seas ij the area better than anyone could catch up with a few days head start

This is an inability of the viewer to understand distance and the passage of time. Not an inability of the show to do so.

>>85805378

He didnt attack dragonstone because she has fucking dragons. He had missions to accomplish. Not getting his fleet burned was smart.

>>85806882
>wind moves faster for people who know the waters

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>you cant grow food on dragonstone
>pic rel fields

>>85806916
but he has to go well within dragon-range to get past Dragonstone. You see the dragons patrolling around the skies in almost every Kelly C scene, they would definitely be able to see a big fucking fleet sailing past

>>85806772

That's apparent. It's actually pretty obvious in the show Balon is pretty stupid, it's even stated as such in the lore and histories. Yara was put in charge of ships because he had no one else really.

Shes not as good as she thinks she is basically.

Thats why when put up to a democratic vote the iron islanders went with Euron instead of Yara

>>85806433
>Just because all of this happened within 3 episodes DOES NOT mean it happened in a relatively brief amount of time.

That's when direction and filmmaking techniques are supppsed to come into play. You're supposed to at least somewhat contextualise the timeframes of events for the audience so that characters jumping from location to location isn't jarring as fuck. See this a perfect example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwmeRppQlYY
That clip is weeks - at least days - of travelling contextualised for the audience in less than 2 minutes with use of exterior shots, geographical reference points, actors out on location, music and voice over. What happens in GoT, over and over again, is a still exterior shot of wherever the scene takes place, before cutting to an interior scene of the same five rooms over and over again. A lot of the time now they completely skip over the exterior establishing shots. Westeros is starting to feel like it exists entirely within a few rooms - Winterfell council room, Dragonstone strategy room, Dragonstone throne room, Kings Landing throne room - with characters just turning up at each location.

>>85806808
>The real stretch is Euron finding her and being instantly battle prepped.
It was his white male privilege.

>>85805811
A 1.8 m dude can see ~5 km standing on level ground. I'm not sure how tall the ships/crowsnests are, but even at 15-20 m they'd still only be able to see 14-16 km. They'd easily be able to pass each other.

Now, I'm not trying to justify the seeming teleportation, it's probably just poor editing/sequencing, but there could be reasonable explanations. One, Euron my have intercepted Yara's fleet before they traveled very far, making the return trip fairly brief. Then they could also have the better/faster ships compared to the Unsullied fleet, as well as more experienced sailors and captains. It's a pretty long journey, so it wouldn't be at all unreasonable for Euron to catch up to the Unsullied, and even then, they only arrived after they finished sacking Casterly Rock.

>>85807105
Did they carry the boats over land?

>>85807144
And preparing for the attack on the walls would probably take some time allowing Euron to catch up.

>>85807203
HOWEVER in ep2 the maester gives Jorah like 24h to kill himself. Then in ep3 he's cured...

>>85805378

He has a bireme with cloaking and transporter technology brah, just accept it.

>>85807203
not that long, actually. If you're going for a straight up attack rather than attempting to siege, you go in as quickly as possible so as to prevent the defenders from preparing for it. The whole principle of attacking a prepared position is speed and violence.

>>85805776
Occupying a castle like that makes you a target if some major player comes to claim it. Try using your brain in the future.

>>85807295
why didn't Cersei send men to occupy it? It didn't even have to be that many to put a stinker on Dany's plans.

>>85807327
Because it has no value for her?

> It didn't even have to be that many
It would have to be very many, and she didn't know that Dany planned to use Dragonstone as her base of operations

>>85805378
Map scale? Means nothing unless we know of the actual distance between Dragon stones south coast and westeros. Euron could easily have passed closer to westeros and be out of sight of Dragonstone, or traveled at night.

But it still doesn't explain why fat ass queen didn't go with her ships, taking her dragons to cover them while they are basically empty sitting ducks travelling to Dorne. She just sits on that throne doing nothing.

>>85807144
Nah dude. I could see the small water tower from my house that's less tall than a ship mast at over ten miles away with the naked eye. And I could see two hundred foot tall hills at forty five miles away.

You're thinking about where you stop seeing ground level.

A ship sized object from a crow's nest with a spyglass is waaaaay out there.

>>85807378
considering Dany walked in without sending guards first, one pleb with a crossbow would've been enough

>>85807403
https://www.quora.com/Vision-eyesight-How-far-can-you-see-on-the-open-ocean

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>>85805378
maybe he split his fleet?

>>85805378
JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN MAAAN

the showrunners recently admitted flat-out they don't bother showing the episodes linearly. shit that happens in one scene could be before or after what happens in the next, timeline wise, they just show you the pertinent shit and don't give a fuck about jumps in time. stop expecting more from these hacks.

>>85807295
Why would you need to occupy it? There would at least be people coming along to raid it for valuables. Empty Dragonstone is just more laziness from D&D who have completely given up on padding out the show's realism with extras.

>>85807492
his flagship was there

Euron had a thousand ships he could easily have split the fleet.

Yes I know his ship was at Casterly Rock but how else will normies know that the baddie is attacking?

they actually moved the fleet over-land so as not to sail the dragon-stone straight, this was not shown however due to budget constraints

>>85807501
It's not laziness, it's an obvious possibility that the castle would be completely empty. If people came to raid it for valuables, they'd have already come and gone. Your argument is fucking retarded, there's absolutely no logical reason to assume the castle would be occupied versus unoccupied. You're just whining for the sake of whining, like every moron who uses the term "bad writing" on this shitty board.

>>85807381
>Means nothing unless we know of the actual distance between Dragon stones south coast and westeros.

It does when other characters are taking a much longer time to cover much shorter distances (at least according to the map).

>>85805378
In fairness he does have alot of sails on his boat

>>85805776
>>85805378
There's like 1,000+ retarded mistakes like this through the entire fucking thing. Hell, any abandoned building would be full of riff raff 24-7. This just shows you how far away from reality the people are who write this shit and the people who okay it.

>>85805936
>On a boat
>with a whip and a spear
what were they thinking?

>>85807105
Ocean going galleys can't sail up mountain streams.

>>85807629
If you're so stupid that you really believe it's a "mistake" that dragonstone would be empty, you're not qualified to judge what a mistake is.

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>>85806950
Should've filmed on Iwo Jima.

>>85806950
Those are stone formations like the ones you see on the beach.

>>85806870

Don't be a cunt. I don't frequent /got/ often.

>>85805378
They invented teleportation in the last episode. Keep up, faggot.

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>>85807105
I suppose Jon Dough didn't tell Arya about the 300 ships being carried past the Crossroads Inn.

>>85807604
Travel time has always been an issue, but that image says nothing about travel speed, just that he's passed her area a few times.

>>85805378
the show lost all value after season 4

>>85806950
You think they would have inserted some cgi to make that look less like a cultivated area. I guess that dragon scene took them over the budget.

>>85807598
You don't think this series suffers from bad writing? LMAO.

>>85807657
Are you retarded? Yeah Dragonstone would be garrisoned.50 men just to keep the pirates away at the least.

May favourite moment of the last episode was when Tyrion was talking to Jon Snow, making a quip about "walking dead men". I reference to another show I like. References are nice.

>>85807657
Not that anon but it would at least have been ransacked and there'd be evidence of that. What Dany turns up to find is a completely empty, untouched castle fortress - with the front door unlocked.

>>85807472
Yeah, but ship masts stick up above it. You don't use the horizon distance for an enemy ship. You just need to see the sails or the colors. Using a 30m'ish tall mast and assume the enemy's is the same, you wind up with about 17 and change nautical miles and almost 20 standard miles.

That's like thirteen times farther than the 2.5km initially posited.

And now I want to watch some old naval movies where they use that trick. Master and Commander was one.

>>85805756
>Expecting for some logic and consistency is autistic.

>>85807955
That was just sad. Can't wait for a Rick and Morty reference in the next episode.

>>85807970
You know what would've been hilarious? Dany picking up some Iron Bank sign that had been stuck into the beach of Dragonstone, or her running into some official measuring the halls or something.

>>85808044
>Dany isn't your aunt in this universe, time to get swifty Jon

>>85806762
Tyrells are suppose to be there, Loras took it in the Siege of Dragonstone from the men Stannis left behind.

But since they forgot to do that entire plot line it just stood there empty for ages. Guessing the same shit with Storm's End.

What's the Rain House?

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Iron Born fleet was always divided in multiple raid fleets. Euron could made two(or more) grand galleys to command diferent parts of the fleet, while he went to get some royal Pussy in kingslanding. Dragonstone is very close to Kings landing and you can assume that Tyrion's battle strategy was predicted by Euron and probably Cersei, since Jaime had already moved his troops to Highgarden.

>>85806870
Got him good!

>>85807657
I know you didn't read the books but remember in the books when the siege of Dragonstone was a big event? Because it was a big and important castle, so Stannis left behind a skeleton crew capable of defending it.
So Tommen's forces tried to negotiate with them, because a full siege would be a horrible, bloody battle that would waste a ton of resources and cost many lives.
But then Loras Tyrell arrived on Dragonstone and decided for a siege anyway, and got horribly injured in the process.
They even had a siege plotline going in season six. Do you remember that? With Riverrun?

>>85807295
It's stupid not to occupy it. You should at least have some scouts based there who can report if anyone comes to take the castle and then leg it out of there. Just so you know it's occupied.

Don't want to send your army to occupy the place only to find it's already occupied and you didn't plan for a battle.

>>85807248
there was clearly a passage of time greater than one day. enough time passed for his skin to heal. just because they were going to kick him out the next day doesn't mean the time skip is the next day

What's the point? After S2 everything felt like popping out of nowhere, characters magically appearing in all kinds of locations and unlikely characters being coupled just for the heck of it. The watchers of the this show are dumb as fuck and the show-runners realize this very well. They know their audience and they don't want to spend time on nerd instead of just milking the show to the maximum with the lowest effort.

>>85808347
Isn't Dragonstone that island that got sieged for 10 years or something and just survived on onions?

>>85808478
youre thinking of Storm's End I think

>>85808539
Was Stannis' strategy room on Storm's End or Dragonstone originally?

Why the fuck does this show get so much praise? The writing is lazy as hell, so many stupid thing like this the past 3 seasons.

Anyone else notice that characters cannot have a regular conversation in the show as well? It's always talking about themselves and what they have done in past or something that happened in the past.

>>85806929
>thinks currents and channels don't play a part in boating

>>85808478
Nah, that was Storm's End. That's the seat of house Baratheon, and after Stannis held it during most of Robert's Rebellion, Robert gave it to Renly. And he stuck Stannis with Dragonstone, which was the ancestral seat of the Targaryens (before Argon landed at King's Landing)

>>85808574
Dargonstone. But he was under siege during robert's rebellion at Storms end, a place the show has never shown

>>85808407
Or, if you know that someone is coming across the sea with a massive army and you know they're heading straight for Dragonstone, which Cersei supposedly did, then send a crew to beat them there and tear the fortress down so that there's no infrastructure in place when they turn up. Lannisters have already blown up shit twice in this show. The idea that such a key hold would be left completely untouched for Dany to just turn up and take is lazy bullshit writing.

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This is for all you retarded flat earthers

Danny obviously didn't want to alarm Cersei with her surprise attack by resupplying in common ports

>>85808614
Who's occupying Storm's End now?

>Martin was wary of absolutely pinning down the size of Westeros and travel times, fearing that sharp-eyed readers would pick up on unintended mistakes and errors in the text and complain about them. He decided to be vague, stating that the map of Westeros was not to scale and the Wall could not be used as a scale bar. He also said that his intention had been for Westeros to be about “the size of South America” and the continent to the east to be even larger, around the size of “Eurasia”.

Can we get some autism in here to calculate some real world scale?
I just realized that the fandom of Game of Cucks is so occupied sucking dick that they never done this.

>>85805378
Euron can turn his ships into submarines

>>85808811
He does't even have to
>>85808716

>>85808578
>Why the fuck does this show get so much praise?

I'm not sure, it's a bit weird tbqh. I don't think a fantasy show will ever appeal to such a wide audience again - at least not in the near future. 10 years ago the idea that millions of plebs and women would be tuning in each week to watch a medieval fantasy show would be ridiculous. 10 years ago GoT would be a semi-obscure geek show. Maybe it's the normalisation and appropriation of nerd culture that has seen it become so popular and celebrated.

>>85808750
the show doesnt care, as all the baratheons are dead. In the books theres still a small force of Stannis' guys holding it

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>>85808804
It actually works out somewhat well up to the point where Sam heals Jorah. Then it falls apart because everything happens within a short 24 time frame. Basically the same evening Jorah gets told he has another day worm tongue tells his gf he will sail to lannisport the next day. Which mean he has basically 12 hours to get there where as Eurion has enough time to go to King's Landing, intercept the snakes, go back to kings landing, and then Travel to Lannisport to catch the unsullied.

>>85808750
Uhh, shit you got me. Off the top of my head I can't remember.
I looked it up and in the books, it was another skeleton crew that held Storm's End for Stannis while he was at the Wall. Mace Tyrell personally attended a siege with the rest of the Tyrell army but after Margaery was imprisoned, he left the siege and took most of his army with him to King's Landing, leaving behind a token force. And as of the Winds of Winter sample chapters, spoilers, Argon Targaryen has reportedly captured Storm's End with the aid of the Golden Company.
In the show I just think they forgot about it. I don't blame em, it's not that important to what's going on

>>85808879
>Maybe it's the normalisation and appropriation of nerd culture

This is most likely. GoT started off with the bookfags, some regular HBO viewers and the "real" nerds watching it, then once the red wedding hit and it got a huge buzz going the Star Wars geek crowd jumped right on it and will not shut the fuck up about it.

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>>85808716
Long fuckin' way to sail if you ask me.

>>85809054
It fits completely with the 4 trips from euron tho

>>85806152
>If you don't like realism, give him a flying ship with turbines.

There are dragons, magic and zombies and people come back from the dead. That ship has sailed, ba dum tiss.

>>85805378
What makes you thin Euron captured Yara and the sand snakes so far away. He most likely captured them very soon after they left dragonstone.

>>85809038
Nah, those "real" nerds were the ones who couldn't shut the fuck up about how awesome it is and kept yapping about it until someone decided give it a try. Back when season 2 hit there was like a 24 loop of the theme stickied on /tv/.

>>85808578
Snowballing. Once people see their friends like it, they like it. Once they see Youtube Reactions, they think, "this is how I should be acting."

>>85809084
How? Daenerys never left Dragonstone, you would think someone would see Euron

>>85805378
Why didnt Kelly C set a blockade of the KL bay?
Dragons + half of her fleet could have swept away Euron's fleet.

>>85809222
Danny can't command flies to a hunk of shit

>>85805378
>Dany could have demolished his fleet with her dragons 4 times
>No civilian causalities

>>85807182

They're vikings, they can sail up rivers

>>85808267
His flagship was at both attacks

>>85809306
NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GO OUT WITH YOUR DRAGONS!!!! ARROWS ARE A THING!!!!!

>>85805378
Those first 3 trips he was flying back and forth on an Eagle

>>85809054
Okay, So Euron captures Yara and the sand snakes in the narrow sea and then goes back to Kings Landing

Then Daenerys sends her ships around the long way through the Shimmering sea to attack Casterly Rock. That's when Euron leaves Kings Landing and ambushes The Unsullied at Casterly Rock.

But how did Cersei or Euron know about Yara or the attack at Casterly Rock? Is someone in Daenerys a spy?

>>85807024

this tbqh

>>85806179
He doesn't even need to be present to wreck the unsullied, if his fleet went to casterly rock and euron returned to kings landing with just a few ships h, and I stopped caring, have fun /tv/

>>85805378
>the travel from winterfell to dragonstone takes weeks if not months
>jon arrives in dragonstone before daenerys finds out about her ships being destroyed

how

>>85809137
Give him magic ships then. Or just say a wizard teleported them. Something.

Whine autism all you like, but the show made a point with a number of characters and groups that traveling took a long time, so far in season 7 characters have been teleporting around like crazy. Its an inconsistancy.

>>85809462
>Is someone in Daenerys a spy?
I don't give them credit for thinking this far, but if they make Varys a triple agent I would feel bad for them on a personal level.

>>85806433
>You don't know how long Euron's voyage took, it for all intents and purposes, it could have been year(s).

im not disagreeing with you but it kind of creates a time distortion if you have one story where the white walkers are coming RIGHT NOW and you must urgently prepare, then have a parallel story running where you can infer that months have passed for euron to get to any of these places

>>85809221
Old school naval trick would be running past at night with lights doused, but you really need to spread the ships out a lot to keep them from wrecking into each other.

A silent running scene would have been a good opportunity to show Euron being a pretty good naval commander before leaping in and wrecking Yara's shit. The darkness would have been a great lighting opportunity to make him look sinister onscreen as well and build up some tension.

Missed opportunity really.

Filthy casual here. Where is Casterly rock and what is the significance of it?

>>85809550
From the start of the season there are at least 4 to 5 hard cuts with an undisclosed amount of time inbetween. What fucks it up again is the healing of Mormont which is supposed to happen within less than a day. Which is stupid in itself because they probably only do it so Mormont can join the quest for capturing a white walker.

>>85809611
they had to leave enough time for a sex scene between two secondary characters

>>85809441
So stupid. Then have some battle armor fashioned for her then? Like an arrow is going to manage to get her flying through at high speed on an enormous dragon

>>85809648
Westerlands. Seat of House Lannister. Lands, vassals, income, also goldmines who have recently dried up.

>>85809648
On the total opposite side of the continent of all the Danny/King's Landing shit going on and important as it's the seat of the Lannister's power, their historical capital, their keep and landhold.

>>85807501
>why would you need to occupy it?

Uh... what? Dragon Stone has been used to launch numerous invasions against Westeros, one of those was in recent memory. On top of that Cersei knew Danny was coming.

Medieval castles were built to withstand assaults and to make assaults as costly as possible. A skeleton crew of less than 200 can hold a castle against thousands when assaulted in a hurry. This is why assaults almost never happened after about 900AD, long drawn out sieges were almost always favoured due to heavy losses.

>>85809662
>You have one day then you gotta leave or kill yourself
>Tubby cures him, euron travels back and forth a number of times, Jamie travels from Kings Landing to High Garden
>Wow its been a day and you're cured
Game of Thrones is a joke.

>>85805811
25 miles wtf are you talking about? Shut up.

>>85808716
so danys fleet charted the rest of the entire planet simply to attack the lannister port unseen? kek

>>85806035

>D&D can't make good writing about a journey and a travel

hack redflag

imagine the Odyssey wrote by D&D, lmao

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>>85809535
>"the winds were kind"

Time wouldn't be such a big deal in this show if it wasn't made clear in the opening scene of season 1 episode 1 that there's an impending doom about to engulf Westeros and that "winter is coming". Characters (that have had interactions with wights) are crossing the continent in the space of an episode whilst the zombie army supposedly marches south. And I know the wall is maybe magic etc etc, it's still retarded.

>>85806179
Euron splits his fleet.

>>85805378
[tyrion-targaryen] (gold x3)
Jesus motherf****** Christ did you guys not read the books???? Freakin' Euron has MAGIC at his disposal and while it isn't even mentioned in the show once you should at least apply this book LOGIC to the show. USE YOUR BRAINS FFS

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>>85806950

that's bullshit anyway, civilization made agriculture out of nowhere, burning lakes like the romans or doing it in the top of them like the aztecs, or the egypts with their nile river and irrigation systems

but what GRRM would know, he is a hack anyway and he knows little about history other than muh war of the roses

Why didn't Cercei just leave a fukton of wild fire and one loyal man in the dungeons before Dany arrived?

>>85809963
>Scylla, the sirens and Circe are YAS Queens

>>85809971
but the Silence, Euron's flagship, appears in every battle.

>>85805776
>it irked me that there was not even some bandits or hobos at dragonstone

Like they would have stayed when they saw an enormous fleet and 3 dragons coming you dumb cunt.

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>>85806950
>you cant grow food on dragonstone

GRRM is pretty vague when it comes to geography but take a look at the map of Westeros and compare the size of Dragonstone to The Wall, that is 300 miles long.

Dragonstone is a decent sized island, probably 20 miles wide x 50 miles long, so there’s plenty of land for farming. It’s not a literal rock sticking out of the ocean with a castle on top.

>>85809963
>Odysseus spending seven years with Calypso
>Hard cuts to his son trying to keep all those loser suitors from fucking the missus
>Big feast scene makes it seem like it's just been a day or two back at home while hot tits on nymph island drags out for years
>All in one episode

>>85809611
>A silent running scene would have been a good opportunity to show Euron being a pretty good naval commander before leaping in and wrecking Yara's shit. The darkness would have been a great lighting opportunity to make him look sinister onscreen as well and build up some tension.

Good idea. But they couldn't have that. Everything that happens in this show now has to be shocking with characters arriving out on nowhere so there's lots of whooping and clicking fingers in reaction videos for bars throwing Game of Thrones parties.

>>85810130
The soil could be shit. But you can raise sheep and goats at least on just about any kind of scrag.

>>85809736
>more time was devoted to a eunuch sex scene than the abandonment and siege of such an important and notable keep

>>85809868
Reread my post and the one I replied to. Of course there would be people occupying the keep. The other anon said that it made sense for no one to be there and I was saying that, at the very least, people would have come by to raid it.

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>Show literally starts with a flyover showing you how far everything is from each other
>Multiple characters spend entire seasons traveling from one location to the next
>Season 7 has people teleporting everywhere
Strike one.

>Food is becoming an issue, far back as season 2.
>Show scenes of starving people in Kings Landing, also of people literally throwing down on some nobles during a riot and eating them
>Season 7 has people throwing food at Eurons captives
Strike two.

>Team Dragon who has three dragons and is led by the mother of dragons who won't shut up about her dragons being important and the things that will win her the throne is adviced against using said dragons because its 'too risky'
Strike three.

>>85808716

GOT military strategy is retarded

>>85810078
Exactly. If you're not going to take Dragonstone, you'd at least destroy it for the incoming army that's about to launch a war against you.

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>>85805378
>we don't know how large his fleet is, or where each part of it might be
>the horizon is 12 miles away. You can't see what's over the horizon, so in a fictional world where there are no air patrols or radar installations, or satellite reconnaisance, it's perfectly plausible a fleet could sail by over the horizon, without someone on shore being the wiser.

Remember when GoT shocked you?

When Danny walked into planning room, a lowly assassin should have just shot her in the chest from behind the door, killing her abruptly.

>>85810633
If I was stannis I would installed traps on the toilet that inject poison into anyone who sits down.

>>85810633
>Killing Danny
Um, no sweetie, there are certain lines you don't cross! Besides her dragons would have smelt and killed the assasssin before he could strike anyway desu

>>85810505

>inb4 hurr durr what would have you do

as lannister:

>fortifying dragonstone before danny takes it with literally 0 losses and using it as a military outpost

as dannies

>not encircling king landing building a fort outside of it a la julius caesar, pulling off an alesia while using the natural position of dragonstone as a naval blockade using the unsullies as defensive troops and dothraki as ambush troops and just waiting for the inevitable rebellion in king landings

>taking a heavy fortress as casterly rock with literally 0 value and really difficult supply line

I'll be shocked if this shit doesn't end with everyone dying. Which will be quite boring because I think that's what everyone expects at this point.

>>85810882

obviously danny will pull off a win because the show is retarded just like jon snow who fucked up greatly in the battle of bastard and was saved by a fucking deus ex

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>>85806981
>Yara was put in charge of ships because he had no one else really.
>Shes not as good as she thinks she is basically.

Asha Greyjoy is too smart for the Iron Islanders.

At the Kingsmoot, she brings chests of turnips, acorns and pinecones, promising rich farming lands in the North and long term security but the Ironbabbys can't see past Euron's short term offer of looting and raping.

Though Asha was also too arrogant for her own good and refused to recognize that there was no way the Ironborn would ever elect a queen. She should have supported Victarion for king and got him to go along with her plan.

>>85810588
>set patrols along the entry of the bay
>they observe an enormous fleet coming
>alarm alarm

>>85810882
If I was Dany I would just fly over Kings Landing just to demonstrate power and fly back to dragonstone. Maybe fly a second time and drop leaflets saying that Dany is the rightful queen and Cersei killed Robert and engages in incest with Jamie.

>casterly rock has a secret entrance in a series where schemes are the most important thing on the series and nobody knew about it

it's lazy writing

>>85811070
If I was Dany I'd continue to just stumble from one scene to the next yelling at people and watching as everything falls into place.

>>85810975
Stupid question, why the fuck don't the iron landers use their superior knowledge of navigation and whatever to become traders, mercs, and explorers? If the were using like half of their ships just to set up some stable trade between Essos and Westeros they could make more riches than looting some nut shells.

>>85805378
LAW OF THERMO DYNAMICS LEATHER IS STRONGER THAN STEEL WHEN WALKING AGAINST THE WIND

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>>85809611
>Missed opportunity

That's what they should have named the show...

>>85811208
I don't think they they know Essos seas that well

>>85811443
Is that a porn parody?

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>>85810285
>The soil could be shit. But you can raise sheep and goats at least on just about any kind of scrag.

But there is no reason for Dragonstone to be a barren rock, so I dunno what people are complaining about?

>>85806720
THE RAPE SANSA
I SAW IT
THE RAPE, SANSA. I SAW IT.
SO BEAUTIFUL, SO COMPLICATED.

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>>85811581
Well technically it's not possible to sail up against the wind in a straight line,

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>>85811208
>Stupid question, why the fuck don't the iron landers use their superior knowledge of navigation and whatever to become traders, mercs, and explorers?

Plenty are, or at least plenty of the "middle class" of the Iron Islands are.

>>85805378
You don't really have anything one how long everything takes and when it takes place so there's nothing to refute.

That said, they're probably teleporting.

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>>85811687

Stand-ins

Though they should have hired Emilia's stand-in to play Daenerys.

>>85810130
Just looking at the map, if they had edited/told the story so Casterly Rock "siege" happened first, then the attack on the other fleet, it would all make more sense chronologically.

Euron and a small contingent could make it to Kings Landing across land and using the rivers.

Not really sure what the hell they are doing because its not like the episodes are paced extremely well and re editing to make more sense in terms of geography and time would make it any worse.

>>85810130

>GRRM can't into realism even though he criticizes tolkien because of taxes and shit

really makes you think how much of a hack he is

>>85812447
GRRM should shut the fuck up considering he stolen like have the namens from Tolkien. That guy literally created most of the fantasy memes from scratch, invented his own language, a whole mythology. What did GRRM do? Add taxes? Also I'm pretty sure Bilbo paid taxes or at least something about inheritance law and his relatives having legal dispute with Frodo.

>>85809418
>Iwo Jima
In the books he's a blood sorcerer who is known to be much faster on ship than he should be. Of course in the show he's just an evil white male.

>>85805776
>in the book

Lannisters laid siege to it after Stannis left a garrison. Lorris Tyrael was burned by oil while assaulting it

>>85811081

this

they should've dug a tunnel or something

Don't you twats get it? They are building ships 24/7 for Euron who now has two fleets: one in King's Landing and one near the Iron Islands

>>85811443
"You idiots! You've captured their stunt doubles!"

>>85813229
Good Post.

>>85813132
they make a point of showing his flagship at both battles

>>85805378
Ep1
>Start episode by implying that the lannisters have capture and controls dragonstone
>Euron shows up, tells her he will find cersei a gift, leaves kingslanding before dan arrives
>When dan arrive, either cut to a burning a dragonstone or show dragons doing the heavy lifting in assaulting it
>First order from dan would be to blockade the entrance to kingslanding with her ships and dragons
>Also messages Jon that he needs to bend the knee
Ep2
>Dans sends the sandsnakes to dorn, but on the way they get taken down by Euron
>Euron sents foot in Storms end (or just goes to land, since he cant pass dragonstone) so he can bring the sandsnakes to cersei
Ep3
>That lad shows cersei his dragon weapon, but it's not a giant crossbow but a harpoon
>Jamie leaves kings landing to raid the tyrels for heir gold


uhm dont know where to go from here

>>85807982
Even then, to see the tops of the other ships would be roughly double the visible distance. There's still plenty of room for them to sail past each other and not see the other. That's also assuming clear conditions and daylight.

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>>85805378
D&D writing is fucking disgusting. I'm glad The Confederate is getting so much hate already. Confederate will expose them as hack writers

>Wealthy, well-stocked and heavily-armed Highgarden castle beaten by a rag-tag group of Lannisters led by a one-armed man and a BR with 140 ping

>>85806035
>every single battle in this season has had a *teleports behind you* moment

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>>85809054
I added UK for scale.
It's a pretty long yeah

>>85805378
euron looks retarded in the show, absolutely nothing how he looks in the book

fucking gay as smutton chops with a dumb baby face, my god its so bad

>>85813961
>The Ghiscari in the books are united for the first time in hundreds of years to drive out Dany
She's legit like the Others of Essos.

>>85813783
>140 ping
pretty good really

>>85807685
Khaleesi.
Kelly C.

>>85808879
Tits and gore.

I understand not having memorized every single location, but do normies really not understand the rough relative positions of major places like Kings Landing, Winterfell, Dragonstone, Casterley Rock? Do they honestly not grasp the scale of Westeros? I'm astounded that they're being so lazy.

>>85815135
>I'm astounded that they're being so lazy.
(they=the writers)

>>85809418
Euron came back to KL on another ship, while another officer took the flagship to lead the attack on Lannisport

>>85810588
>the horizon is 12 miles away.
Doesn't that depend on the size of the world?

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>>85813783

How the fuck did nobody in the Reach notice 10,000 Lannister troops strolling thru the countryside?

>>85807378
>Because it has no value for her?
It's literally right next door to KL

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>>85814206

The Ghiscari deserved to fall, slavery isn't a valid or moral industry.

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>>85808578
>Why the fuck does this show get so much praise?

The power of modern marketing via the Internet.

You don't have to produce a quality product, you only need to get people talking about it and they'll come to believe it's good....

>>85806035
>white walkers take 6 bazillion years to get to the wall
>Jaime crosses that in a day

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>>85807381
>Means nothing unless we know of the actual distance between Dragon stones south coast and westeros. Euron could easily have passed closer to westeros and be out of sight of Dragonstone, or traveled at night.

Yeah, because Daenerys wouldn't order Asha Greyjoy to have ships patrolling the area just in case Cersei tried an attack....

>>85806549
Euron is seemingly in two places at once. Also why is Arya taking a fucking year to get to winterfell?

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>>85815739
>Also why is Arya taking a fucking year to get to winterfell?

She's busy planning how she'll assassinate Cersei.

>>85813771

Man I hate to defend this shit but its pretty obvious that Casterly rock was literally left with a skeleton crew and those 10 good men opened the gates for the attacking forces on whats basically an empty castle. Completely different scenarios.

What contributions have Tyrion done to Dany?

>Unchained dragons so they're in better condition
>advised her on Jon Snow
success
>Sent the unsullied to Casterly Rock
failure

Where's has the Stormlands gone?

I haven't been paying attention, but if the argument is whether Cersei should've taken Dragonstone: yes, she absolutely should've.

Why? Because every notable military assault against King's Landing originated from either Dragonstone or the Southlands—including the original fucking Targaryens. Its military value is clear, and it's Daenerys' homeland. At the very least she could've destroyed it.

The best part? She didn't even have to do it herself. She could've had Euron sack it easily before Dany claimed it, or sacrifice half his men while storming the castle and still take it.

Honestly, dragons or no dragons, the armies currently under Cersei's control could still take Dragonstone with ease. Once they're within the castle walls, dragons don't matter.

>>85808990
How do you even make sense of this thing?

>>85816043
Gendry rowed away with them

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Guys, stop bickering.

>>85816630
Couldn't they just have picked up all their boats and ran across to the other side with them?

>>85816630
>>85816737

Actually, Jaime straight-up tells us that it was Euron Greyjoy's navy that "burned their ships" at Casterly Rock. Euron could very well be in King's Landing right now, as Cersei's honored *ahem* guest.

Why did Dany take Dragonstone of all place?

We easily see that it has no strategic value for her as she is surrounded on all sides by her enemy. Now she is stranded there with 100k Dothraki and no ships.

It would have made much more sense for her to have landed in the Stormlands, taken Storm's End since the Storm Lords are mostly spent after the Battle of Blackwater, the Dornish would not have had to sail down to get their army, the Reach would have been close enough to defend, and King's Landing would have still been in easy striking distance while cutting off the Lannister forces.

What am I missing here? I get the symbolism for a Targaryen to return to Dragonstone, but strategically it has 0 value to her campaign.

>>85816848
Free real estate

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>actors wearing the exact same costumes, standing in the exact same room the next scene, with not so much as a single change to their hair or skin even
>UHHH THERE'S A LOT MORE TIME IN BETWEEN THESE SCENES THAN YOU THINK

>>85816848
I think Dragonstone is a fine starting off point, but you shouldn't stay there long.
Long trip to Westeros, so stay there regroup and then move on to the Stormlands, if not straight to Kings Landing.

>>85816880
You just know they're filming those scenes back to back.

>>85816848
Exactly. Where does the food come from to feed 100,000 Dothraki on a tiny island? Also they can't be happy cooped up on an island with nothing to rape and pillage either, shouldn't they be getting mutinous by now?

>>85806969
Emilia is a feminine given name derived from Aemilia

>>85810484
>Team Dragon who has three dragons and is led by the mother of dragons who won't shut up about her dragons being important and the things that will win her the throne is adviced against using said dragons because its 'too risky'

This was the only legit point.. To send the dragons into kings-landing would be to burn half of the city to ground.

What ever happened to Rickon, anyway? Cannibal fodder?

>>85817818

Took an arrow to the back.

In the books he's in unicorn land with what's-her-face.

>>85818123
>In the books he's in unicorn land with pls-sit-on-face.

>>85810067

Not on an island in the middle of the sea surrounded by salt water you dumb fuck.

"Brando, its got what plants need"

>>85810067

You don't need to have an accurate real-world history to write a fantasy-world fiction.

GRRM isn't a hack. He's actually an excellent writer who shows care and restraint in both plot development and character growth.

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>>85817108
> I think Dragonstone is a fine starting off point

Daenerys has far too many men (and camp followers) to support on Dragonstone and would have to import fuck loads of food for them (and all the horses) from somewhere, meanwhile Cersei now knows she’s there and Daenerys will have to launch an amphibious invasion against a prepared enemy.

Which is why Aegon (Blackfyre) the Reconqueror lands the Golden Company in the Stormlands, where there is plenty of food and fodder and where they room to maneuver and can attack the enemy with surprise on their side.

But we already knew D&D are retards….

>>85818626
>>85818626
they probably just didn't really care about he turboautism that'd make people go into fantasy logistics

>>85818626
>Daenerys has far too many men (and camp followers) to support on Dragonstone and would have to import fuck loads of food for them (and all the horses)

Thankfully, Cersei is helping her out with that problem by killing all her soldiers

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>>85818434
>GRRM isn't a hack. He's actually an excellent writer

Couldn't their GPS and sonar pick up on the movement of enemy ships and troop movement?

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>>85818687
> are you a stupid person?
> are you losing the argument?
> just yell "autism!" and declare victory!

>>85805936
MAMA MAMA

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Oh wow this is emberrassing

>>85805378
D and D voodoo

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>>85818434
>GRRM isn't a hack. He's actually an excellent writer

>>85806433
Explain why it's taking the white walkers so fucking long to get to the wall then you dumb cunt. this is the worst post on tv

>>85805378
The continents in the show are different from in the books so this is a non argument.

>>85805779
God tier theory

>>85808644
Seems like they should have just combined these two separate locations for the show. Also, take a drink every time Davos mentions Fleabottom.

>>85812093
savage

>>85808429
explain to me what happened the following day then

>>85813961
>area as wide as France for Robb Stark to march through
>somehow the only way across is to use a tiny bridge that some asshole controls

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>>85819089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7L2PVdrb_8

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>>85805779
Ooooooh

>>85815879
everything with Arya after she joined assassin school is the worst part of the show

>>85810285
Pretty sure GRRM even mentions sheep farmers on dragon stone in The Princess and the Queen. That's how the dragon Sheepstealer got its name.

When does Jaime start learning the Dragon shouts from High Hrothgar?

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>>85807182
>>85809375
yes they did.

>>85809137
ye also teleporting scrolls as i can see
nigger

I assume he didn't bring his whole fleet to bring back the sneks.

>>85805378
The show is a ton of bullshit simply by the whole "BUILD ME 1000 SHIPS IN LIKE 10 MINUTES LOL".

Absolute garbage.

>>85819895
that manga is great

>>85805378
Why didn't euron form a blockade?

>>85813229
ha. someone beat me to it.

>>85820650
is it still going? i stopped around the time skip when it started focusing on some random farmer

>>85805378

They snuck past 20 good men at a time.

>>85805756
>DUDE JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF LMAO XD

>>85805378
oh wow theres a town called antlers

are there other towns called donner and rudolf

>>85805756
itt: fanboys of a shitty tv show are btfo

>>85810130
oh wow theres a town called antlers

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>>85805378
>OMG why couldn't these WW2 fleets find each other after days of actively searching with scout planes
>They were so close!!!1!!
>Clearly the Targaryens with a decimated fleet must be able to find and destroy Euron
>bravo D&D
KYS

>>85805781
This is a simple but good definition of what went wrong

the other problem is why insulied fleet and Yara's fleet splitted?

They left Dragonstone at the same moment end they were supposed to follow the same route until Dorne

>>85805378
He doesn't want his ships to get burned.

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Cast her

>>85822727
My wife

>>85821396
>comparing an open sea battle scenario stretching 300+ miles apart
>Dany can't even properly set up any form of information on a sea channel 40 miles apart that separates Dragonstone and her main fucking war target

Bravo D&D

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>>85818687
>Tolkien made a good story but I don't like him because he never went into the cold hard facts about logistics, politics or taxes
>UHHH STOP PICKING MY WORK APART, LOGISTICS ARE FOR NERDS, IT'S A FUN STORY, IT'S FOR FUN

>>85822727
Val

>>85822727
Famine is best face potato but New World is best body potato.

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>>85806670
haven't seen these in years. time sure flies

could use an update btw

>>85805378
Because he didn't actually go by it. He borrowed CIAs teleporter

>>85823192

Is that first quote a real quote?

>>85805676
No one gave a shit about Dragonstone though. It's got nothing but Dragon Glass. Which up till now was useless.

>meanwhile the Stormlands are completely lordless but instead of grabbing some free land both Daenerys and Cersei are just fucking about

>>85825637
>no one gave a shit about the strategic point best suited for launching an attack on King's Landing

>>85825707

It's already explained why it isn't so strategic. Stannis tried to use it because it was the only thing available to him, and it was only available to him because Robert gave him Dragonstone to shut him up.

No one wanted Dragonstone. It was useless.

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>>85813961

>>85825707
A strategic point that is a nightmare to maintain as it's got no farming lands, so they cannot support troops.

It's not a strategic point. It's a hindrance. Anywhere on the coastline would have been a better strategic point.

>>85818930
>>85818755
AHAHAHAHA gruum suggs right fellow GoTedditors thats why I've seen every episode of a show based on his source material because he's a hack lmao

Stop pretending you read the books niggers

>>85825970
that's not size though, Martin simply took inspiration from the British Isles

>>85826146
>>85825970
Like in reality, Hadrian's Wall is like a few feet high while The Wall in GOT is like a hundred feet tall
It's not a size comparison but it shows where he got inspired from

>>85825970
BRAVO
why the fuck is the Eastos a literal rectangle.

Who are the current lords paramount in the show or has it just been ignored?

>North
Independent Kingdom under Jon
>Vale
Sweetrobin
>Iron Islands
Euron
>Westerlands
Cersei? Jaime?
>Riverlands
???
>Stormlands
???
>Dorne
???
>Reach
???

Also, why is Cersei Queen? What's her claim to the throne?

>>85826278
Her claim is that all the Baratheon's that are actually alive in the book are dead in the show.

>>85825970

Most Westeros maps are fan drawings based on vague book descriptions.

>>85826343
but how? Aren't women forbidden from sitting the Iron Throne after Rhaenyra? Even disregarding that, why would Cersei, specifically, become queen? Didn't she publicly blow up the Sept of Baelor? Why would anyone tolerate her?

Would you guys have enjoyed the season more if Euron was full on Magic like he is in the books. Like if the fog seemed literally alive and controlled, and maybe hints of Kraken and all that.

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>>85826457
this is the official map

>>85826461
*ALLEGEDLY

>>85810089
That ship is magic.

Also in the books Euron is implied to know how to do face stealing too so eh.

>>85812447
>>85812615
Did you guys forget interview he sings praises to Tolkien. He's just giving a very cut a dry explanation of the tonal difference of their works.

>>85826513
>Also in the books Euron is implied to know how to do face stealing too
When? I know he's implied to have telepathy/green dreams but I don't remember any face stealing references.

>>85826461

Because everyone else is dead or dying.

Except for everyone in the south, who inexplicably failed to have an army at the one time in the entire series where having an army would have been beneficial..

Also, she's a Lannister.

Even though the Lannisters aren't nearly as powerful as they once were while Robert was deep in hock to them and were effectively his standing army.

Prety much everywhere is in dispute, though, yeah. That's the point. The reason Cersei is at the top currently is because no better candidate exists. The board is set to be almost identical to how it was when Aegon the Conqueror flew in.

That last bit is very important—at the end of the story, the geopolitical realities will have been nearly identical to when Aegon the Conqueror united the Seven Kingdoms into one.

>>85826599
In the books it's implied that the Euron who killed his brother was a Faceless man, but then later on (this might be one of the preview chapters of Winds) he claims he has stolen many magics. So it's a very light implication but some people think that instead of hiring an actual faceless man he just did up some follower.

>>85826895

Winds notwithstanding (since I haven't read the previews), it's implied that Euron hired a Faceless Man using a dragon egg.

He claims he threw it into the ocean in a fit of anger, but that's wholly uncharacteristic of a cold and calculating Euron.

>>85806035
Remember when it took Rob two seasons to move from north to south? If he had the same fast travel bullshit that Jon has he would have beat Stannis to King's Landing

Medieval warfare wasn't just armies teleporting around a continent for le epic battles

>>85826895
>In the books it's implied that the Euron who killed his brother was a Faceless man
Euron outright states that he didn't kill Balon but rather had him killed by someone else, implied to be one of his followers.

>>85816848
She's two steps away from King's Landing in an easily blocked off port. Just park a dragon at each exit out of Blackwater Bay and burn any ship that tries to get in or out for a pretty easy blockade.

>>85826973
Hiring a FM seems overkill. The Aeron chapter from Winds makes it pretty clear that Euron simply had agents already on Pyke.

>>85805902
Fucking mega portage