Most overpriced, overrated army in any tv show? Also, if you're

>>85736956

>their armor is basically worthless
>no weapon diversity
>no archers to pin down the Lannister archers on the wall
>no cavalry
>no weapons to take on armored knights

Like what the fuck? I doubt they would even be that effective against cavalry since their spears are shorter one handed versions. That would work if they used teardrop shields (comes to a point in the bottom) where you can shove it into the ground as use it to brace/leverage yourself.

And what was Tyrion's plan exactly? Send 8,000 Unsullied on an amphibious assault against 10,000 Lannisters in a defensive position whom he admitted were better armed and armored.

>>85736956
>soldiers why cut their balls off?
This is an oxymoron. Eunuchs are not aggressive because they have no balls literally. Not good soldiers if not aggressive.
(fucking hollywood bullshit)

This is so fucking stupid.
You don't use light spearmen in leather bdsm gear to storm walls and carry out grueling siege work.
Unsullied are a purely defensive force meant repel sieges, not carry them out. The books even make it clear that the Unsullied only shine in defensive engagements where they can remain stationary and wait for the enemy to come to them (look up the Battle of Qohor). They're completely useless when out of formation.

And why the hell do you even need Unsullied to infiltrate the castle? A random sellsword could have done that work.

>>85737538
It's almost as if the writers are shit

Dany's entire time in Essos was basically The Sacking of Rome
She just sank an entire continent into the dark ages
Can't wait for her to come do it to Westeros too

>>85737247
B-but they will fight for Cally-C! they will carry the day!

>>85737247
Why even attack casterly rock? He knows the mines are dry and no longer have any gold. It's not situated anywhere of strategic importance. No important generals or figures were located there. He knew the assault would be high in casualtiesand that it was a huge risk to split their forces. Now their navy is gone, the unsullied are completely cut off in a worthless castle that has no food inside, and all for nothing. What an absolutely worthless engagement.

>impenetrable fortress/unbeatable army
>taken down by a few good men
>~3 times per season
how did D&D get this job when they are the biggest hacks on the planet?

>>85742418

Because a good chunk of the lannister army was supposed to be there.

>>85742609
Why bother assaulting them at all with unsullied? An attack with dragons could have destroyed them or a protracted siege could have immobilized them or even raids by Dothraki to destroyed their resources could have crippled them logistically. The show runners don't even think of reasons behind any characters actions. It's so surface level and shallow and pedantic it makes me sick.

>>85742418
>Why even attack casterly rock?
See, they actually explained why, but even their explanation makes no god damn sense.
Tyrion and Grey Worm went in thinking that Casterly Rock was holding the entire Lannister Army, so they wanted to take over the castle and wipe out the Lannister's army in one go.

But if the entire Lannister army was inside of the castle, then why even bother attempting a siege? A siege never goes in favor of the attackers when the besieged army completely outnumbers the besiegers. It becomes a battle of attrition at that point and the outnumbered attackers will eventually get whittled down to nothing. The only way to deal with a situation like that is to blockade the castle and just starve out the defenders until they surrender. No fighting or combat necessary at all.
The entire attack was so stupid and should never have happened. It would have been more interesting if Grey Worm just camped out and tried to stave them out, only to realize after a few days that the Lannister army isn't inside Casterly Rock at all, and then frantically heading south to assist the Tyrells or to shadow the Lannister army in the Reach.
Anything else would have been better than what we got onscreen.

>>85742609
>let's attack the more numerous and better supplied enemy that knows we're coming at the most well fortified position they control which happens to be a long distance from the much more important and actually decisive target
>I w-won Battle of Blackwater B-bay

>>85742609
thats even worse, they would have been wrecked without screenwriter handwaiving.

Read up on the Persian Immortals. A force with a pretty impressive reputation, but made up of soldiers that were essentially disposable. What made them scary was that as soon as people started dying, they would just replenish the ranks.

The Usullied are supposed to be the same thing. They're not scary because they're good fighters, they're scary because they've been brainwashed into doing anything. They're not scared to die, so they'll keep going without hesitation until they're killed, then they'll keep getting replaced. The Eunuch thing is a stupid dramatic flare, but it's supposed to help rid them of desire/fear. The lack of testosterone doesn't matter, though; again, they're not supposed to be great fighters, they're disposable.

>>85742609
If the entire army is in a strategically worthless but defensible position you're supposed to ignore them and for them out by going for the actually relevant targets

>>85742935
It also shows they have no idea how sieges work.
Many, many sieges throughout history hardly involve actual combat and wall-scaling like what the show presents.
If the besiegers don't have to worry about food or supply lines, then all they have to do is sit outside and wait for the defenders to starve to death. The two most famous sieges in history, Leningrad and Alesia, did not involve the besieging army attacking the city like a bunch of retards. Most of the time, they just sat outside and waited for the citizens and defenders to starve. What they really had to worry about was an attack from a relief army.

>>85739763
>>85737538
Stop using logic. It's ruining the show for us.

>>85742709
>It would have been more interesting if Grey Worm just camped out and tried to stave them out, only to realize after a few days that the Lannister army isn't inside Casterly Rock at all
This is literally exactly what I was thinking after the episode ended. Would've been funny as hell and shown that while Tyrion is more intelligent than Cersei or Jaime individually, together they can outsmart him.

>>85742501

>sewer combat
>cqb in tight spaces
>using spears

JUST

>>85743070
The show can't stop sucking Tyrion's dick though

>>85736956
Yeah it's pretty stupid.
>raise ultimate warriors
>cut their nuts off
Okay? What the fuck is the point of that, reduces their aggression and musculature like crazy. Might as well send women into battle.

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>>85742957
Except imoortals were much better equiped.

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>GoT military autism thread

Why was the Tyrell army so shit? Did the Tarly bannermen defect to the Lannisters? How gud is Randyll Tarly? How far is Casterly Rock from Highgarden? Why was the march of the Lannister army undetected?

Was the weakness of the Tyrell army made up on the spot? I read in the books that the Knights of the Reach were second to none.

>>85743150
It's a TV show that spends most of its budget on dragon CGI. The armor and weaponry have been getting steadily worse since the first season. They're probably supposed to have better gear.

Also, at least the unsullied don't' carry wicker shields.

>dat Sansa scene about armor
>none in Winterfell ever heard about doublets, but everyone using them since season 1

>>85742957
They were worse than Greek hoplites, but regardless you are talking about soldiers from classical antiquity not the middle medieval period. Immortals couldn't have touched a mid medieval army.

You people are ruining this shit for me.
The show hasn't been good in a while, but i still used to get some enjoyment out of it.

>>85743012
I noticed that too, it's like that in most shows.
I guess what they figure is that it's just not exciting watching a bunch of dudes sit around flinging rocks at the walls with catapults and waiting. Still silly, attacking a fully fortified position from the get-go without even attempting to knock down the walls or starve them out. Complete waste of men.

>don't produce testosterone
>are strong soldiers
wtf were they thinking

>>85742957
>Persian Immortals.
Were they just cannon fodder and disposable?

http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/immortals-elite-army-persian-empire-never-grew-weak-002321
>As they traveled, they were accompanied by carriages carrying their women and servants, as well as food and supplies. Being a part of this unit was very exclusive. Men had to apply to be a part of it, and being chosen was a great honor.

>>85743191
>How gud is Randyll Tarly?
Literally Reach millitary leader.
>Why was the march of the Lannister army undetected?
Because Olena is an old whore, not a strateg and with Tarly support shitton of lesser lords betrayed her or stay neutral
>>85743200
>It's a TV show that spends most of its budget on dragon CGI
Then why the fuck they look worse than vidya dragons?

>>85743206
That scene was stupid as fuck. Plate armor would usually be covered with paint or cloth (not leather), but it was because of temperature and corrosion control. It didn't have anything to do with keeping people warm, like Sansa was implying. There's no reason to cover plate armor with leather, except for the budget to cheap out and act like cheap leather is plate armor.

>>85737247
You forget they're fighting for their FREEEEEDOM

>>85743206
most the northerners have been wearing coats of plates so not sure why they were making plate cuirasses, especially since in siege warfare your torso is irrelevant since it's hidden behind battlements.

>>85743278
>they're fighting for their FREEEEEDOM
>Danny demands total obidience from anyone
Was it bolshevik reference?

>>85742957
>What made them scary was that as soon as people started dying, they would just replenish the ranks

Is this supposed to make the slightest bit of sense?

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>>85743191
>medieval army
>uniforms
I will never get over this shit
At least it's a fantasy setting.

>>85743215
Blame GRRM. And from the show at least, it seems like most of the people in Essos don't practice warfare the way the Westerosi do, so they might be more effective.

And again, it's kind of a moot point. The unsullied aren't supposed to be great fighters, they're disposable drones. The point isn't to outfight people (that's what better mercenary companies are for), it's to throw a bunch of soldiers at a force to overwhelm them.

>>85743306
anon thinks they raise immortals from the dead.

They were scary because they are trained from age 5 to fight, and the immortal army maintains a sizable number of these well trained individuals.

It's just an elite unit essentially, not a scary zombie force.

>>85743306
It's an army you can't beat.

>>85742957
If they were meant to be disposable why spend so much time and money training and conditioning children to function as a single fighting force? Just admit the writers are shit and the viewers retarded.

>>85743245
>don't produce testosterone
It's actually mentioned in the books. They're not as strong other soldiers because of it, but they make up for it w/ extreme discipline and a special wine they drink to numb pain.

>>85743191
>What is it, twelve thousand infantrymen the Tyrell family has supplied? Eighteen hundred mounted lances. Two thousand in support. Provisions, so this city might survive the winter. A millions bushels of wheat. Half a million bushels each of barley, oats, and rye. Twenty thousand head of cattle. Fifty thousand sheep. You don't have to lecture me about wartime expenses, I'm quite familiar with them.
>It was never our forte

>>85743306
The point is to make it feel like they are endless and break the enemy resolve.

>>85743372
Then... why cut them off in the first place...

>>85743325
true, but 8000 isn't many and they'd die in droves unsupported. They have no range or siege capability, no cavalry and terrible armaments.

both "sieges" were incredibly retarded ive written paragraphs about it yesterday
the writing is just so fucking terrible at this point i should stop wasting my energy

>>85742957
>>85743306
>>85743345
literally nothing special about their training or tactics (that we know)
they wore slightly nicer clothes than other Persian spearmen
they were called "immortals" because the 10,000 man corps was always kept at full strength, creative individuals later invented fantasies surrounding this cool name.
Just an ordinary fighting unit.

>>85743372
So in other words, if they just left their nuts alone they would be even better.
Does it say what the purpose of cutting them off is?

>>85743092
Short spears like theirs work fine though.

>>85743403
Because the slavemasters of Astapor don't want soldiers with dicks looking cool in front of their harem

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>>85743322
>>medieval army
>>uniforms
Problems?

>>85743370
>>85743406
Fantasy writers aren't tacticians or historians, they read basic shit about real life for inspiration and exaggerate it. It's how fantasy works. Of course you can destroy pretty much everything in a fantasy world by applying too much logic to it.

>>85743434
Stops them from forming relationships with women, I believe.

>>85737379
thats the point theyre supposed to be citywatch/bodyguards bred for discipline obedience and loyalty. Dabid & dabid nailed it again.

>>85743322
I can buy that the Lannister army is mostly in uniforms. Remember the line Tyrion said: "Tywin built the army."

>>85743445
Are you implying these are uniforms?
Don't look like it.
Either way
>fin du XVe siecle
Not middle ages.

>>85743325
>disposable drones
>spend shit tons of money training and conditioning soldiers from childhood
>training an army of a few thousand takes years
>trained to function as one cohesive unit
>prized and feared throughout Essos
How would they replenish themselves if some slaver lord bought 2000 and then took them off to conquer some shit hole? Stop talking shit.

>>85743434
no the point is making them eunuchs changes their nature, a teenage boy would resist their indoctrination but a eunuch lacks the desires & rebelliousness etc of a normal man

>>85743070
What should have happened if I was writing:
>Grey Worm lays siege to Casterly Rock
>sits outside waiting for Lannister army to sally out or surrender
>no one takes the bait
>Grey Worm suspects something fishy is going on
>sends lone Unsullied soldier to infiltrate Casterly Rock and figure out wtf is happening
>after gaining intel, Grey Worm realizes Lannister army isn't inside Casterly Rock
>*dramatic music plays*
>Grey Worm deliberates with his officers and comes to conclusion that Lannister army is headed to Highgarden, Dany's only real Westerosi ally aside from Dorne
>Grey Worm quickly gathers up Unsullied and heads south to track down the Lannister army

days later

>Lannister army arrives outside Highgarden
>Olenna Tyrell looking worried
>Jaime begins construction of siege towers and trebuchets
>As Jaime lays plan for the siege, messenger bursts through his tent
>Jaime asks wtf is happening
>messenger tells him that Grey Worm and his Unsullied are about 5 days away from reaching Highgarden
>*dramatic music plays*
>Jaime debates with Bronn and Randyll Tarly whether he should stay or retreat
>Bronn tells him to retreat, Tarly tells him to stay and fight
>Jaime decides to stay and fight
>with Tarly's help, Jaime frantically digs trenches and builds two sets of watch towers and wooden palisades around Highgarden, one set facing inward towards Highgarden and the other facing outward to face the Unsullied
>in a twist of irony, Lannister army is now being besieged by approaching Unsullied while having to besiege Highgarden at the same time
>As Olenna watches this, she realizes that Unsullied are coming to the rescue
>Olenna prepares her men to sally out and attack the Lannisters at the same as the Unsullied arrive
>Jaime writes letter to Cersei, telling her that he may not come back to King's Landing alive
>cliffhanger ending
>next episode to have epic battle where Jaime's army fights both the Unsullied and Tyrell troops at the same time

>>85743397

It's always good to outnumber the enemy, no matter what kind of troops you have. Having large numbers isn't a quality intrinsic to any particular type of soldier, it's entirely dependent on the situation. It would make sense to say that they are cheap and cost-effective, if that was indeed the case.

>>85743447
>defending George "Taxman" Martin when it comes to realistic writing

>>85743511
>XV
>Not middle ages.
Burger please.
Also, uniform isn't a problem if you have money and brain

>>85743512
They are designed to be sold to the rich city states in essos who mainly have to rely on sellswords vs dothraki. Thats why they can charge so much & they arent "disposable".

>>85743403
They could claim their scrotes as a tax deduction dummy

>>85743595
Why spend so much money and time arming them and conditioning them to be a perfect fighting force when they could just hire any company of sellswords? They're supposed to be the best of the best of what Essos has to offer.

>>85743370
because they sell them to rich people and make bank?

your criticism was shit and you are retarded

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how did this lanky fuck become the head of the unsullied again?

I thought tyrion wanted to take casterly rock because it's his and cersei's home? Kind of like a psychological play against cersei
Isn't this what we are supposed to assume?

>>85743647
He is Essosi-african.

>>85743587
1453 is commonly considered the end of the middle ages.
The image says it's the end of the XVth.
Choke on my burger, i'm not american tho

>>85743640
No they aren't supposed to be the best. see >>85743459
Sellswords are notoriously unreliable for obvious reasons. The idea is the unsullied form a core city watch or bodyguard group for the rich which help prevent the sellswords from routing/abandoning.

>>85743647

They're all eunuchs, they shouldn't be jacked. I dunno what was up with that guy who murdered by Harpies though.

>>85743646
You're wrong though, read the books.

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>>85743434
Are you pretending to be dumb? Look at dogs or cattle. What happens you neuter them? they become docile. Same thing with men.

The real question we should all be asking is how come there are no scouts or spies tracking the Lannister/Greyjoy movements? What happened to the Varys' little spiders? How does Euron appear behind the Unsullied fleets in broad daylight with perfect visibility?

And what about the Tyrells? They were in open rebellion against the crown and the Lannisters somehow marched thousands of men to their doorstep. None of that shit makes any sense. It would have been impossible to sneak that many men to their doorstep.

>>85743551
ok. that would totally screw over the producers who dont have a director with experience with battle scenes schedules to direct episode four. plus a ton of other shit i dont want to write an essay about.

research more

>>85740091
>>85743278

That gay little speech went against all Tyrions beliefs. It was fucking retarded beyond words

>>85743587
Also, no it's not just a matter of money.
Medieval armies didn't have uniforms, either you were a trained knight or squire and used your own equipment, or you were a levied peasant and wore whatever you had on you when your lord rounded you up.

>>85743705
>trained to be generic city guards
>defeat 50,000 strong Khalasar with 3000 men
Pay for themselves don't they.

>>85743434
>“In Yunkai and Meereen, eunuchs are often made by removing a boy’s testicles, but leaving the penis. Such a creature is infertile, yet often still capable of erection. Only trouble can come of this. We remove the penis as well, leaving nothing. The Unsullied are the purest creatures on the earth.” He gave Dany and Arstan another of his broad white smiles. “I have heard that in the Sunset Kingdoms men take solemn vows to keep chaste and father no children, but live only for their duty. Is it not so?”

>“It is,” Arstan said, when the question was put. “There are many such orders. The maesters of the Citadel, the septons and septas who serve the Seven, the silent sisters of the dead, the Kingsguard and the Night’s Watch . . .”

>“Poor things,” growled the slaver, after the translation. “Men were not made to live thus. Their days are a torment of temptation, any fool must see, and no doubt most succumb to their baser selves. Not so our Unsullied. They are wed to their swords in a way that your Sworn Brothers cannot hope to match. No woman can ever tempt them, nor any man.”

>His girl conveyed the essence of his speech, more politely. “There are other ways to tempt men, besides the flesh,” Arstan Whitebeard objected, when she was done.

>“Men, yes, but not Unsullied. Plunder interests them no more than rape. They own nothing but their weapons. We do not even permit them names.”

>>85743769
I didn't say generic and it's specifically stated that the dothraki are chink tier autists who refused to flank them.

>>85743551
No one really cares about the Tyrells though

>>85743562
How was I defending him? I basically said he writes a lot of stupid shit that falls apart when you think about it. It's fantasy, that's how the genre works. If you don't understand that, stick to historical documentaries.

>>85743796
They're sold as prized household guards not city guards. They're GRRM version of Spartans.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Unsullied

>>85743647
He was the smallest one, so he became the bravest and toughest to compensate. They explain it two or three times.

>>85736956
>why cut their balls off?

it would be too opressing for the female audience

>>85743791
>nor any man.”

You can still have your prostate stimulated. GURM didn't think outside the box on this one

>>85743753
>How does Euron appear behind the Unsullied fleets in broad daylight with perfect visibility?
Because only capable saiolors on Danny's sides were Greyjoys and the just transports, unlike Iron fleet, not to mention Euron ver fammiliar with the location and knew how to prepare the ambush.
Most likely thhey waited while all soldiers disembark and start siege so Euron can attack when ships will be most vulnerable

>>85743848
yet he shits on one of the most important authors of the 20th century because his work doesn't have any mention of tax rates. yeah keep defending that fat fuck

>>85743759
Yean because none never raised professional army in Europe durring medieval.

>>85742693
Alright gotta say this is a great question. Caloreesi not burning down King's Landing makes sense, though I think if she had them just fly around within eyesight that'd be terrifying to any opposing army, but for Casterly Rock there was zero reason to not glass that place. Especially since the plan was to waste Unsullied in a frontal assault to make it look like they had no other ways of attacking. So she wasted an entire piece of her army to take back a worthless castle instead of sending 2 dragons there, and the magic ballistas likely aren't there either so it would have been a slaughterhouse.
But you're right, the showrunners don't care, I don't see why we should either. Like why didn't anyone even suggest it?

>>85743858
And where does it say they're household guards? Do you think you buy 3000 household guards? They're comparable to spartans except in that they are both trained from a young age.

>>85743953
>They're comparable to spartans
Nope

>>85743903

Be reasonable. GRRM is a huge Tolkien admirer and has said so many times.

>>85743910
Professional armies also didn't wear uniforms.

>>85743953
not comparable*

>>85743459
They're not specifically trained to be guards, that's just what many are bought for and how Dany first sees them;

>“The slaves in the spiked bronze hats?” Dany had seen Unsullied guards in the Free Cities, posted at the gates of magisters, archons, and dynasts. “Why should I want Unsullied? They don’t even ride horses, and most of them are fat.”

>“The Unsullied you may have seen in Pentos and Myr were household guards. That’s soft service, and eunuchs tend to plumpness in any case. Food is the only vice allowed them. To judge all Unsullied by a few old household slaves is like judging all squires by Arstan Whitebeard, Your Grace. Do you know the tale of the Three Thousand of Qohor?”

>>85736956
you would think that cutting off all testosterone production would result in pretty mediocre "men" but its fantasy m8, just roll with it

>>85743872
What a bullshit excuse. Retarded as fuck. Like it's out of a comic book

>>85743953
>The Good Masters, the slavers of Astapor, used to sell Unsullied in groups of ten for household guards, but that proved unsound since they mingle with others, and forget who they are. Now they are sold only in groups of a century or thousand.[1] The only vice left for the Unsullied is food, so Unsullied serving as household guards often grow fat.
They're GRMM's version of Spartans. Trained from a young age to be nothing but soldiers and to fight as a cohesive unit in a Phallanx.

>>85744058
ok so you're dumb and ignorant then?

>>85743984
>danny confirmed to be a worse master than rich cunts

atleast the rich cunts let em eat nice food.

>>85744078
They're supposed to be elite tier Essos soldiers what's not to get? D&D just suck at writing especially combat scenes.

i liked them when they were first introduced but idk what the writers are doing with them now. they have no swords, no armor, no bows, etc etc. they should not be storming castles.

>>85744112
The way Daenarys got them in the first place was when i started to hate her.
>supposed to trained from childhood to be loyal ultra disciplined soldiers
>serve whoever burns your previous master to death

>>85743551
You just copied Caesar against Vercingetorix in Alesia.

>>85743551
>>with Tarly's help, Jaime frantically digs trenches and builds two sets of watch towers and wooden palisades around Highgarden, one set facing inward towards Highgarden and the other facing outward to face the Unsullied

looks like you have read upon Julius Caesars work

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>>85743717
mel brooks told me otherwise

>>85744208
Kinda. I mean the deal was done, they traded the Unsullied for the dragons. As far as the Unsullied are concerned at that point, they just did one of the two things they were programmed to do which is be marketable. Now they just had to do the other thing and do whatever their owner tells them to do. Dany, now owner, says murder those old assholes because you're basically my sheep with spears, then has her dragons free themselves.
I'm not sure the Unsullied would even see a problem with this, they're basically conditioned to be autistic, thoughtless warriors. Whoever has their thing, I think it was a golden statue, is in charge and nothing else matters. "Previous Master" means absolutely nothing to them, why would it?

I can somewhat forgive the Casterly Rock "battle". They had a reason that allowed the unsullied into the city even though a 8000 vs 10000 battle would have been very unbalanced. How can Casterly Rock even hold and provision 10,000 soldiers? That city must be at least 200,000 people, its unrealistic to expect a ratio of 1 soldier for every 10 citizens... even 1 out of 20 would be unrealistic but I'm being generous.

What got me was how did 10,000 Lannisters+Tarly men (I find it also hard to believe a liege lord would be able to match Jaime's army 1:1) took High Garden by storming it. Maybe if it was 300 men defending it but High Garden must have been larger and better garrisoned than Casterly Rock since it survived most of the war unscathed...

I mean even if there was a short scene where Tarly say "Those walls were designed to look pretty rather than provide any actual defensive function" and you see lannisters easily scaling the walls or busting down the gates I would have shrugged and went whatever. But that castle looks like it could have repelled that army with ease.

Fuck I know I am thinking too much of GOT at this point but still.

>>85742693
I think they just wanted it to seem like Dany was losing the war as a lead up to next episode, to make it more cathartic for the viewer when the dragons/Dothraki decimate the Lannister forces. It wouldn't be as "satisfying" if Dany's forces had just been steamrolling Cersei all season. The problem is with how stupidly they're handling it. The only reason Cersei is winning is because they've evidently written Euron to be a Pirates of the Caribbean villain who has access to a supernatural teleporting fleet that he conjured up out of thin air between seasons, and because Tyrion is a retard.

>>85736956
Why are they using cavalry shields?

>>85744429
they don't need larger shields since they don't have to guard their junk

>>85744405
These previous masters are the people who raised them and instilled this discipline into them. And they're not robots, most would figure out that wasn't a legitimate deal.

>>85744319
>>85744333
this. plus then normies would be obsessed with alesia

>>85744424
Yes, you're thinking too hard. You have to keep in mind that they're cutting even more logic out due to shortened seasons.
In the after the episode garbage, D&D explain that "people knew the Lannisters would win so they just cut to the chase". To justify this, they added Tarley and Bronn (because I guess one guy with no army automatically adds strength points) to the already major portion of the Lannister army that wasn't at Casterly Rock.
When the showrunner says "get to the point", you should already know the answer here man. "Budget concerns". They have 2 more major battles to fight this season confirmed in the trailer. That's clearly where the money is going.
Really, I hope you gave up on this show as long ago as I did. I still watch it like a good goyim, but don't pay at least. It's pretty embarrassing that it has stooped this low.
>>85744527
Who raised them to kill their dogs and cut their dick and balls off. They clearly do not like these people, why do you think they'd be even remotely loyal to them? If anything your "discipline" point is what I'm saying, they're conditioned to follow who has their icon, and at that point it was Dany because the deal was done. What you should be asking is "How did they not prepare for someone to do something like what she did?" and I guess the answer would be that nobody else ever had dragons.
They are robots, toys for masters to cut nipples off of just to show they're tough. They're pretty lost when Dany frees them. They stick with her because what the hell else are you going to do? Some go and cuddle with whores, but even that is surprising considering the concept of "pleasure" should have been beat out of them by then, even after being freed.

>>85744527
If you want to look at somewhat similar history, the varangian guard had an odd sense of loyalty to the byzzie emperor.

>This was made clear in 969 when the guards failed to avenge the death by assassination of Emperor Nikephoros II. A servant had managed to call for the guards while the Emperor was being attacked, but when they arrived he was dead. They immediately knelt before John Tzimiskes, Nikephoros' murderer and hailed him as Emperor. "Alive they would have defended him to the last breath: dead there was no point in avenging him. They had a new master now."

>>85736956
>why cut balls
I've wondered this too. If I were raising a slave army I would be transplanting extra balls onto their bodies, not removing them. My weaker recruits would be castrated and caste as sex slaves for the stronger candidates, who would receive the transplanted balls for extra testosterone and courage. My army of gay 4-testicled berserkers be unstoppable.

>>85745522
You cut their balls off because otherwise you end up becoming a nigger armpit shithole like America.

>>85745700
that's why you need to keep the eunuchs as rape toys for the soldiers. Enhanced by the extra testosterone from the extra balls they will be absolute rape machines. Like a dog that needs a chew toy so it doesn't chew up the couch pillows you need to give these soldiers rape toys. While the soldiers are trained to be whirling death machines their eunuch bros will be trained on the arts of sexual service.

>tfw balls are cut off, transplanted onto another man, he rapes you, and you get filled with your own seed
brutal

>>85742957
>soldiers that were essentially disposable. What made them scary was that as soon as people started dying, they would just replenish the ranks.
Zdrastvute Comrades!

To point of the unsullied is their discipline. They will hold formation no matter what. They will never route. They are a defensive force. Also thanks to D&D we never see them fight in formation.

>>85742418
Tyrion said it's the "real power base" of Westeros rather than King's Landing, which made no sense because nobody has wielded power from there in the entire duration of the show.

>>85743206
il admit i let some of the autism show on that one, Sansa seems to think people wear armour naked...

>>85742957
>The Usullied are supposed to be the same thing. They're not scary because they're good fighters, they're scary because they've been brainwashed into doing anything.
Yeah in the books. In the show, they fight for love of Dany kek

>>85745522
You don't actually need more than one testicle to produce enough testosterone. Two don't make you produce any more than one, because it's not a resource that is supply limited, but rather your body gives a signal to stop producing it.

You still need at least one though.

>>85736956
Lightly armoured units with short spears and light shields, no cavalry and no archers. Would get destroyed by any regular fighting force.

Garbage budget army, dany got ripped off.

>>85736956
but they are black and don't have penises. It's the perfect feminist army

>>85736956

They are meant to be disposable as well. But I agree budget for wardrobe is shit, at least the last 2 seasons gave us enough extras for battle scenes, but the quality plummeted. Also where was the siege gear? Throwing bodies at a wall to distract from the secret tunnel is such a waste.

>>85744425

I can sort of see that as being Euron though. He has implied magic.
>killed father via wind magic
>crew of mages
>a handful of magical trinkets
>the horn
>navigating the burning sea

I don't think any of those exploits have been said in the show though. The basis is there.

>>85744208
No that was actually well done.

There were scenes where Danyerus saw the humanity and individual thought that still existed in the Unsullied.

She made a huge gamble to trick the masters into gathering them all in one place (which probably never happens). This allows her to effectively foment a riot.

The writing was still fucking good at this time period.

>>85736956
Imagine if best African army invaded Europe in medieval times.
Same things.

>>85750244
SHE IS DAUGHTER OF DRAGONS! THE THRONE IS HERS AND SHE WILL GET IT BY BLOOD AND FIRE!!!

>>85743903

How has cersei gotten or kept people in KL anyway?

The city and rest of the clergy must suspect she's the one that nuked the church. She gave the seven the right to rearm, where is all the dissent? They came parading back with the sneks, but the town should still fucking hate the lannisters. Even if the lannisters had a personal guard that was loyal, we saw kevin and other lannisters being religion before family. I just don't comprehend how she's even in power anymore.

She fucking did the one thing that was 'too far' in Jamie's eyes that he killed the king over. This idea of 'he loves her still' doesn't make sense either.

These armies are also teleporting over a landscape that apparently salted earth, starving, disease and famine ridden. How the fuck are they feeding and paying the bannermen? Where are they getting the new recruits? They just spent the last 5 years warring.

Logistics, completely gone from the narrative. It's only a complaint because it was there in the beginning but now absent.

>>85743731

They seemed to work in essos because slavers would train/create these troops and sell to other slavers who then used them in 'slaver' warfare. They had niche uses and needed to work more as a consumable, rather than a fighting force you kept forever.

Produce/procure units -> suicidal task -> repeat. A commodity that needs turn over or no one will need to buy new combat slaves until the last batch reach 40 years or so.

>>85742957
this isnt relevant to ops topic at all. this is you being a faggot trying to show autistic you are

>>85750444

Why not take over essos, give us information about valyria? There's ancient ruins all over essos, but no it's all about the british isles and their cyclical fire and ice gods flinging shit every 5~ thousand years or so.

Bran is apparently doing even more magical shit. It had better not end with Bran being the night king or Bran being able to fuck with the timeline and talk to people.

>>85750244

When you claim something because of your heritage you also have to take responsibilty by your hertitage. "My father is evil" So now that should be enouh right? Can we move on now pls gib trone.

>>85744319
>>85744333
Well, if you're gonna steal, steal from the best

>>85742693
Are you that fucking stupid
They explained why they don't just invade and burn everything
Do you even watch the show or just shit post about it?

>>85743971
He still shits on him when he feels like it
>aragorn has a almost a century of combat experience
>descended from superior half elven lineage
>trained by people with centuries of combat experience
>Jaime could take him

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>>85736956
>they kept fighting with spears in close quarters urban environments

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>>85743647
Dany picked the one who would agree with her.

>>85736956
The biggest advantage an army in pre-modern times could have is discipline. It was the only thing that could realistically be thought that would have a massive impact on outcome of the battle. But since no army in GoT ever brakes, the effect of discipline becomes irrelevant. Add to that that every battle turns into many one on one combats and discipline, order and obedience that distinguish elite solders from peasants become invisible.

>>85753198
Actually it was logistics.
Discipline was certainly good, but it was the logistical side that all great commanders in history were masters of.

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>>85736956
Why would you not take your fleet and blockade Blackwater bay if you were Dany? Dragonstone has such a commanding presence in King's Landing's only port that you could control the entire eastern coast of Westeros with that.

King's Landing is fucking surrounded on landward side just block the sea and you fucking win.

Even to take Casterly Rock you would stage the Unsullied with your allies in Highgarden while your ships made their way around and then moved onto Casterly Rock from there. Which would stop Jaime's magicplan shit.

Or just commit to a KL siege with unsullied and have Highgarden send like 15% forces to you, which would commit Tyrell bannermen against Lannisters and you have the best commander in the Seven Kingdoms on your side.

>>85753476
True. But I was talking more about regular soldiers. Roman legions won battle by being a disciplined force with each solder obeying order. Now they got to fight battles because their commanders and senior officers were great at logistics so the legion didn't starve before it got to the enemy.

>>85743227
this

>>85740091
>but they will fight for Cally-C! they will carry the day!
And the lanister forces are fighting to protect their homes and families.

>>85743191
>Why was the march of the Lannister army undetected?
With recon provided by dragons, Danerys has no excuse for being bamboozled by the Westeros forces (multiple times!).

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>>85753735
>Jaime in the next episode

>>85753981
Is it true that Jamie will be removing worm this season?
People keep saying it, but I can't seem to find it in the leaks

>>85737379
NARSES
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>>85743888
Why not just attack them while they're at sea then? The Unsullied don't have archers.

You win for free, they don't even touch Casterly Rock.

>>85743215
They were only worse as line troops, where heavy infantry dominate, they should never have been used against hoplites but the Persians had no real heavy infantry

>>85736956
i've only read the books, but what the fuck is wrong with them here?
>no armor on arms, but full faced helmets
>armor looks like cosplay
>sandals
>long wooden spears that wont work if enemy gets within range, no swords, no pilums or ranged capabilities
>look like they're wearing cargo pants

>>85754162
When they're on land, the ships are barely crewed and anchored. Making them easy targets for capture. It also corners them so jo real chance of escape.

The show did it for the dramatic reveal, but there's a real explanation that can be applied.

Isn't a big part of dynasty-building the fact that those loyal to you will have children who will in turn enter into your service? How is Dany supposed to build anything lasting with a bunch of dickless soldiers

>>85742957
You manage to be completely wrong on both the Immortals (hurr i get all my info from hollywood) and the Unsullied (3000 of them defeated 25.000 Dothraki, they're an excellent defensive fighting force when in formation)

>>85754266
The unsullied work in her favor in that regard. The ones doing the heavy lifting won't need anything and she's free to give rewards to the houses that bend the knee to her. The real trouble is neutering the Dothraki and keeping them from raping and pillaging.

Somehow I think the show will either not mention it, or we'll find out that they love their Kelly-c so much that they abandoned their centuries long traditions.

>>85754162
>Why not just attack them while they're at sea then?
Because they still have shitton of ships full of soldiers.
Euron cares about his own fleet, not about Rock

>>85736956

Why does it seem GoT has such a low budget in everything it does yet is so popular? You'd think they'd shell out more money so it doesn't look like a B movie

>>85754389
Why spend more money when they can turn it out like it is and make bank? These are jews were dealing with after all.

>>85739763
The worst part of the show now is that we never see the results of the monarchs decisions. There is a lot of standing in rooms and talking, but we never see how Daenerys' disinheritance of the Masters or Cersei's destruction of the Great Sept has truly affected the people. We hear a little about it, but we never see any of it.

In truth, Meereen and King's Landing should be almost in ruin right now. Meereen is basically like actually but the writers are choosing to forget it. Why would any of the Tyrell bannermen follow a self-appointed Queen (though technically the first in line to succession if Jaime still takes his vows seriously) that killed the head of the Tyrell house and a Tyrell queen in cold blood? The show wants us to think they're stupid enough to parlay with her? The writing is on the wall that without the full support of the Reach the Lannisters are basically dead in the water. None of it makes any sense.

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>>85754389

The budget is getting worse for costumes.

Season 1 on the right, later seasons on the left

>>85754368
>1000 ships of hardened iron born
>vs the equivalent of kindling

Unsullied will burn and drown if you light their ships on fire they can't do anything to yours. The entire fleet and the entire unsullied army would die without anything happening to Euron's fleet.

>>85754742
Loras is a flamboyant homosexual and Mace is a doddering old retarded boomer. It sort of makes sense.

>>85752417
Not him, but when do they say about not using the dragons to take Casterly Rock? I remember them saying about King's Landing, but not the rock.

>>85736956
GIVE ME 10 GOOD MEN

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>>85743551
>>85744319
>>85752010
remember when battle of the bastards was meant to be like cannae

>>85754742
Could be on purpose since Mace wouldn't know good armor if it fell on him. Tarly has been doing all the fighting for him. Even his mom told him to stay put during Robert's Rebellion.

>>85754972
Same reasons. Dragons burn everyone whereas unsullied can only kill soldiers if so commanded.

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>>85737538
Thing is they knew the siege attempt wasn't going to last long because of the plan tyrion made with the sewers it was just a diversion tactic. Although then it still doesn't make sense because dany sent them there without even knowing the full plan

>>85743587
1400s is widely considered to be the start of the modern era

>>85754366
They probably won't mention. Like others have posted, GoT loves to tell us the decisions being made but none of their consequences (and sometimes even the logical inconsistencies).

An example not from recent events; we never saw how the death of the Arryn dynasty effected the Vale; surely this would have caused a great amount of unrest among the population, and it's hard to imagine most people would want to follow Petyr Baelish considering he didn't father a child for his throne and his house is extremely insignificant.

Another, is that they never showed how much the majority of the people in the North despised the Boltons. These are men who regularly brag about how awesome they are at torturing and maiming people. We're lead to believe for a whole that the people of the North were pretty meh on the idea of being under Bolton rule, but in truth they'd probably despise them. It makes no sense for anyone other than the Karstarks (whose head was killed by Rob) to join the Boltons, especially not when the Lord's must have known in high likelihood that Brann or Rickon survived.

>>85755325
Wasn't it only soldiers inhabiting Casterly Rock at that point?

>>85755596
They probably had servants hiding in the kitchen, bedrooms etc. When Stannis sieged King's landing, the women all gathered into one room to pray.

So who are the best soldiers in the game of thrones universe?

>>85755796
If it's anything like the war it's based off, knights would shit over every other soldier in the setting

>>85755796
They're all pretty much equal really. They win or lose by their commanders and you don't really get anything about the actual soldiers.

>>85753895
Because 3 juvenile/young adult dragons are excellent in giving accurate reports on troop number and composition and strategic movements of the enemy.

And I don't think anyone except Daenerys would be successful in riding and directing them, especially with her absent.

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Why the fuck does no house have horse archers yet? They were literally the GOAT medieval unit.

>>85736956
Was it their balls that was cut off?
That would limit testosterone production and they'd grow up to be a bunch of qt traps since their bodies would create a shit load of estrogen to make up for the hormone balance.
It would make sense that their dongs were cut off

>>85755906
>>85755796
Every man from Bear Island fights with the strength of ten mainlanders. We know Jorah is good with a sword.

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>>85755269
Battle of the Bastards was great from a cinematic view
But man, it doesn't take a great tactician to see the faults made there

>>85756183
Dothraki in the books do that.

>>85756183
Dothraki in the books are horse archers.

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>>85736956
>Not jumping over a wall of heavy armoured dwarfs
2/10

>>85756183
Traditional western armies didn't use horse archers. That was more the Mongols and Arabs. The climate in europe wasn't like the hot arid deserts, and horse archers couldn't carry nearly as much ammunition as ground archers. Not to mention in Europe archery/archers were considered lower class and dishonorable. Nobles very rarely wanted to be archers and most of the time archers were rarely used because they were mostly peasants. Ontop of that, the nobles wanted the glory from charging in. Its basically how France lost the battle of Agincourt, amongst other factors.

Also armor shouldn't be understated. You can fire all the arrows you want but plate armor will absorb a lot of that and ultimately you're going to end up wiht light cavalry that might not do much. But D&D don't care about that so get ready to see Dothraki memesters somehow beat a better equipped force.

The Unsullied are just a dumb idea in Westeros, despite their skills, they're equipped in light leather armor, have small shields, and a short spear. They were probably the worst force to besiege a major settlement and should have lost half if not more.

The are a pretty good force when facing unarmed horseman like the dothraki tribals. Against a real combined arms force with bows/horse/heavy infantry they will get btfo. They were very good for the needs of essos, not great for westoros

>>85743383
this. the richest house was killed off-screen fast-forward WITH NO SIEGE. like, they just surrendered.

>>85753032
>extremely fit, and well trained fighter
>HORRIBLE posture

....

>>85743551

This is a really stupid statement and none of this would happen.

>At no point was Grey Worm the tactician or general calling these shots. He just carries out the orders. He likely has no idea where Highgarden is, the best way to get there, or have the foresight to predict a better commander's movements.

>Even if he decided to siege and try and wait out the army, Euron's fleet showed up within (presumably) the same day. If the Unsullied had sieged the city (with absolutely no siege weapons) then whoever was on the beach would be pinned between Euron's fleet and its cannon fire, whoever was in the baots would be dead, and now a splintered Unsullied force would get pushed into the ocean by a Lannister force with even or greater numbers and better morale.

>Even if Grey Worm finds this out and prepares to sail to Highgarden, he still is ambushed in open waters by Euron's superior fleet and easily crushed

>trying to force march to Highgarden only ends up with a tired and probably hungry Unsullied force showing up on the flanks of a Lannister force that probably scouted their movements anyway.

>Even if the Unsullied show up despite all of the above being able to wipe them out, the Lannisters outnumber them and it could be assumed that the defecting Tyrell forces are able to match Olenna's own garrison, meaning a dug in Lannister force more then likely wins anyway.

I want dany to get gang raped. I'd Jack off to that hundred times

didn't dany transport the entire dothraki civilization as well (200,000 people?) not just the fighters

are they ALL encamped at dragonstone? which is just a barren fucking rock

>>85756707
no, they're in the dothraki sea and meeren.

>>85756388
desu I used a very similar tactic like that in Rome Total War 2
Use phalanx to hold the enemy pinned down, with shock troops right behind
As soon as my cavalry came in the rear of the enemy I'd allow the shock troops to move in between my cohorts of pikemen
That shit was murder

>>85736956
lol plebs

This is the most obvious alegorical story ever, its just trying to be a Crusades story, OK so Dothraki = Muslims. They will go take over one or two kingdoms max then the religious people will be the ones who band together and use magic to provide an equalizer to the dragons, it will look bleak then a miracle war will happen which drives Dothraki back to their desert sand lands for good.

GoT is literally an alternative history story.

>>85756183
Horse archers didn't make sense in europe because you need open plains kinda for their hit and run tactics to work.

>>85757164
Fair point, but explain Parthia
I might be wrong, but isn't much of Iran covered in hills and mountains?
I know they came out of central Asia, but they wiped the Seulecid's

>>85736956

>close combat
>spears

>>85757164
Tell that to Eastern Europe when the Mongol raids came through.

>>85743753
>Varys' little birds are Qyburn's now
>They've continued reporting to Varys at Qyburn's direction
>Varys doesn't have a clue yet

The rest is also pretty easy to justify. Visual range at sea is about 3 miles, and Euron had headlands to skulk behind to the north of Casterly Bay or whatever it's called. Tarly abandoned the Tyrells wholesale and the rest of the Reach followed suit, so Jaime reached Highgarden unopposed.
That said they are definitely cutting huge storytelling corners due to time and budget, on top of the show's original dialogue being nowhere near as entertaining as Martin's.

>>85736956
>Best warriors in the entire world
>get fucked by a bang of gypos called the cucks of the harpy.
Bravo

>>85758122
>gypos
Well fuck you anon, now I want to see GoT as if it was Snatch

>>85757212
So don't fight in mountains. Iran is more of a plateau surrounded by mountains. Also the core of Seulecid power was in Mesopotamia and Syria.

>>85756824
but her fleet is basically gone now, how the fuck is she supposed to get them if they're across the sea?

>>85757900
Eastern Europe is mostly plains...

>>85757164
You do realize there were/are a lot of plains in all of yurop besides scandinavia

So, when Jaime was talking to Olenna, he said that he emptied the larders of Casterly Rock, so that they were trapped inside.
But he also said that he left 10k men in that. Does that mean he left 10000 of his men in a castle that's about to get sieged with absolutely no food, and they all agreed?

>>85753735
The Lannister soldiers are fighting to keep their cities from being sacked and their wifes and daughters from being raped by horse niggers.

>>85758809
They probably knew it was a "suicide mission" and only to thin the ranks of Unsullied

>>85758846
And are we supposed to believed they all said "okay"?

>>85758778
A lot of what is plains today was forrested land at the time that has since been cleared for agriculture.

>>85758864
Just like when Robb used 2k men as decoy

>>85758818
The Cockless army raping women ?

>>85758975
the dothraki moron

>>85756660
>extremely fit
>that posture, back and thighs and ass

>>85758778
Many of those plains are/were forests and covered in fucking rivers everywhere

>>85758986
Well they didn't go with the Unsullied.

>>85759017
he has 0.1% the testosterone production of a normal man, how would he develop any kind of muscularity

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>>85756396
Carrying Unsullied over to Westeros will be a problem in the books as well. It could be that Unsullied end up being really fucking adaptable and the whole spear/shield and light armor thing just worked them overseas so they stuck with it.

>>85742418

Triple bluff. They knew that the Lannisters would know that they were going there so they let them believe that highgarden was safe to take so that they could get all of highgardens gold for the war effort instead of whatever the Tyrell felt like giving and also to fuck over the Lannisters with the bank.

Obviously....

>>85756660
I think the point is he was looking upward at something.

>>85736956
They also should have high voices and low test. That's why castratos dominated the countertenor scene in the past.

>>85758809
Where the fuck were all the civilians? Surely there were people actually living in and around Casterly Rock just like they live in and around all the other castles?

>>85758880
Robb was actually a liked King though, soldiers will do many things for a charismatic leader they owe fealty to. Not even Lannisters like Jaime the Kingslayer, especially now that there's all the all-but-confirmed incest rumours and his sister blowing up the Great Sept.

Hell, we JUST had that Arya scene with Lannister soldiers where they were shown to not be loyal. Then we go from that to 10k people apparently being loyal enough to accept a suicide mission.

>>85759267
>Where the fuck were all the civilians? Surely there were people actually living in and around Casterly Rock just like they live in and around all the other castles?
I assume Casterly Rock is just the castle itself with no civilians.
The town where they all live is Lannisport, which the show hasn't shown so far.

>>85758809
If that's the case why would he even leave 10000? That's a lot of fucking soldiers to waste for a suicide mission. Should have just left dummies up their

>>85758778
Before the industrial revolution every field was divided up into individual lots for growing and they were a lot smaller, with woods being allowed to grow all over the place.

>>85759322
But it's the rock itself that was filled with Gold, not Lannisport. How the fuck does the kingdom think the mines are still filled with gold if there's no longer any people living around it and working as miners? What, everyone just bought Tywin's lie about closing the mines down despite there still totally being gold down there, he just doesn't want it right now?

>>85753521
Problem with that is that dany's navy sucks. Even with yara in charge, they still wouldve gotten btfo by Euron, who has proven to be god tier in naval strategy

>>85743215
H

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>>85754742
You do understand that Mace's armor is intentionally silly looking right?

He's more concerned with pomp and decor than having effective equiptment.

This is a visual method to tell the viewer that Mace is a dullard and ineffectual.

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Who gives a shit? Winter will claim them all.
Night King, Jaime, Davos and Jorah are the only characters I can root for at this point.

>>85760183
This, except for Ser White Knight.

>>85760183
I hate this spooky magic shit. The show would be much better without dragons and zombies.

>>85756598
Isn't the army of the Reach supposed
to be the largest in Westeros?

>>85736956
>why cut their balls off?
I was literally thinking this when I watched that scene

>>85760562
Apparently not a single one of them knew how to fight.
Not joking, that's the given excuse.

>>85760562
Tarly was the head honcho of said army, most of it presumably defected when he did.

>>85736956
Wouldn´t cuttint their balls make them something like womyn. You know, that gender that is shit at fighting.

>>85760747
Yeah it would take away their testosterone which is dumb as fuck if you want the best fighters.

>literally everyone (including people from Essos) knows Cersei is an incestous, mass-murdering, vengeful, militarily inept leader with no gold to her name anymore.
>hurrr she's the queen. let's defect from the Tyrels even though loyalty is written into our main bannermen, they obviously murdered our princess and other royalty, they have no means to pay us, they have a smaller army than us, and just hired pirates that have terrorized our waters for centuries

I'm still confused as to why this is allowed. Cersei is a literal Mary Sue dictator lmao

>>85760801
We live in an era where everyone thinks 100 lb girls can be ass-kicking kung fu warriors taking on multiple 250 lb men at the same time just because she does some somersaults and thigh-squeeze moves. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that they also think that castrated faggots would also make badass warriors too.

Remember, if you don't chop your balls off, you're contributing to toxic masculinity and the patriarchy :^)

>>85761017
In the books it would at least be explained as Tarly vying for the throne himself.

>>85761017
Cersei is dogshit, but she's not a mary sue like what Dany is.

Although both of their writing suffers from the same ass-pull bullshit to make them relevant. All the random deus ex machinas happen to Dany to allow her to remain powerful. And likewise, we get tons of ass-pulls for Cersei out of nowhere to justify why she's still able to be a powerful monarchy despite pissing off literally everyone in the kingdom.

>>85760699
> head honcho

I like you

>>85744333
GRRM was influenced by actual history when writing ASOIAF.
In fact, most writers of fantasy or sci fi are influenced by history to varying degrees. Knowing history and actual military tactics is better than being totally ignorant and retarded like Benioff and Weiss.

>>85740091
Watch when all the local houses decide to join Kelly-C in awe of her defeating this impregnable castle

>>85759926
still, sweater chainmail

>>85736956
I realy don't understand why dany would leave her newly conquered and subjugate territories for westeros , the place that literally is waging ongoing civil war and has overthrown your last kingdom, at the very least she should have gone back to take qarth and later burn down bravos and rob the iron bank if she wanted to end slavery, but no she doesnt, she wants the iron throe which owes the iron bank.

I hope she dies when she gets it.

and at this point i care less for the dragons because shes too stupid to let them breed and create 10 dragons rendering an army pointless, and dragons extinct again.

>>85761075
nah Euron set that bullshit straight.

noticed he impaled those sand bitches on the bow of the ship

>>85743551
>lone brown man in a fortified town of white men

he'll fit right in

>>85762523
it's a start. Has to make up for the rest of the past few seasons

>>85762561
You're talking about the show where nobody except Cat looked twice on Robb's brownie. He even picked her up relatively near Lannisport. People travel far in Westeros.

>>85760183
this.

>>85759162
unsullied are a waste, an army full of long spears and none of them use a macedonian phalanx with dragons and cavalry on flanks.

only a woman with magic plot armour would be so tactically inept

i have no idea why she didn't glass the fuck out of kings landing the second she got there.

but no it's better to got to the fortress that stannis hated the entire series as it was strategically shit and could neither feed or produce anything.

then she lets the tyrells who were feeding her hordes get conquered rather than uniting forces

dany deserves to lose, viserys would have had this in the bag if he stayed with mopatis at the beginning and let cally c take drogo dick

>>85759112
which was stupid as shit tactically.
like spamming lvl 2 spear units against lvl 1-3 sword units in any rts.

in actuality dany won mereen because of daario. and she bullshitted astapor and the dothraki amy under her command

>>85736956
>Most overpriced, overrated army in any tv show? Also, if you're going to raise child slaves to be soldiers why cut their balls off?

>they don't know that empires regularly did this with certain units

>>85742418
Very much this. her fleet is gone, and her unsullied are soon to be under siege with no way out. They're as good as dead.
Can't wait to see how she's getting out of that one, because you just fucking know she's getting out of that one.

>>85766125
>well shit now i'm right fucked
>how on earth can i get out of this one
>oh shit i got it
>"wow you dumb fucking westerosi are busy attacking ME when there's the undead to worry about? holy shit what a bunch of retard"
>haha fucking nailed it
>now i just need to cuck the shit out of greyworm and score a few more progression points
>i won't even need to buy a chastity cage

>>85766289
Dragons will destroy everything offscreen, unmounted and largely unarmored Dothraki will somehow beat fully armed Westerosi forces

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>>85760307
It's Ser Friendzone you faggot. Dude's an experienced killer, former slaver, banished from his own home, and is all worldly and shit. Nothing white about based Jorah Mormont.

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>cutting off their balls
>literally stopping all testosterone production which is important in strength, stamina and healing

>>85743322
>>85743445
>>85743511
>>85743587
>>85743759
>>85743910
>>85743972

I've read this discussion between you guys and have a question.

If they didn't have uniforms, in the heat/chaos of battle, how could you tell who the enemy was?

>>85736956
They probably aren't all that expensive in the long run since they're slaves.

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>>85766693
standards
they also didn't have uniforms in the modern sense of the term but you would wear the emblem/colours of your kingdom/duchy/city/company
battles also weren't 10000 1v1 brawls like you see on tv, they fought in cohesive formations

>>85752837
Is this real? holy fuck is he right in the head?

>>85766993
I guess that makes sense.

Though I remember a wikipedia article about a battle where austria hungaria accidentally attacked itself and they didnt figure out their flaw untill like 100 people were dead

>>85756396
Hungarian nobles were into horse archery
unless you don't consider them traditionally western enough

>Also armor shouldn't be understated.
it's sad how in S1 the cucklord actually won a fight because knight's armor>stepnigger scimitar
now armor is just a cheap prop to tell people apart

>>85759148
There are chicks more fit than that.

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>>85767337
>rush into battle
>disembowel a filthy foreigner
>he yells out "dear god mamaaaa!" in your own language

>>85767602
>"this towelhead sure speaks a nice nazi-tongue"
>proceed to butcher another one

>>85767602
>>85767700
austria-hungary was a shitty country made up of a lot of various cultures: austrian, hungarian, croatian, slovakian, czech, slovenian, etc

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>>85768150

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>>85768232
not sure what that's supposed to mean
my point was that their cosmopolite army was a complete clusterfuck

>>85736956
Armor looks fine you gay bitch.

Grey Worm is cool. Fuck off.

>>85737247
>Send 8,000 Unsullied on an amphibious assault against 10,000 Lannisters in a defensive position whom he admitted were better armed and armored.

The Lannisters are fighting because they fear Cercei, the Unsullied are fighting for their Queen who liberated them and for freedom of every man, woman and child in the world.

That's how he was sure they will be victorious.

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>>85768409
>>85768498

>>85766648
Unsullied are basically robots. They don't need testosterone.

>>85736956
>>grey worm worst character in the series

You're joking right? How could he POSSIBLY be the worst character in a show with Euron in it?

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>only 2(two) Lannister soldiers guarding the main gate even tho there are hundreds of sandpeople waiting outside it
>1 second after the sandpeople open the gates from the inside and they storm in there are 100 Lannister soldiers 50 meters from it

>>85744558
But then we might get a big budget movie about Alesia. They might just get all the actors from Rome to do it as a fuck you to HBO.

I would fucking love that.

>>85768789
>Lannister soldiers fighting on familiar ground gets defeated by some faggots twirling their spears in confined spaces because they're just blindly running somewhere instead of mounting a defence

Who the fuck brings a spear to a castle-melee.

>>85768789
>2(two)

I still don't get this meme.

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>>85756291
>mfw I had a friend try and argue that that battle was 100% accurate to how it would have gone down historically and that there were no great tactical errors made in it

So did Euron find some time dilation device in Old Valyria or what the fuck is going on?
Not even LF is that quick.

>>85761177
Cersei is far more mary sue than Dany. Dany's shit can be explained away by her Dragons. Cersei is a recognized cunt that people just follow for no reason

>>85769434
>Dany's shit can be explained away by her Dragons.

Which is what makes her a Mary Sue.
Cersei is a cunt that people follow for no reason, but that's not what a Mary Sue is.

>>85768498
>The Lannisters are fighting because they fear Cercei
This was so bad. They're fighting because it's a feudal society and their own life depends on protecting their land from foreign invaders.

>>85769434
The consequences of Cersei's actions have been severely muted this season, but for the rest of the show she actually faced them. Her character flaws are also addressed and acknowledged as such.

>Dany's shit can be explained away by her Dragons
People being scared of her can be explained away with Dragons
Her birthright gives her a degree of political advantage.
That's the grand total of things that can be explained away.
Incidentally, a rather key point of the Mary Sue, which i'll ignore is a fanfic only term for the sake of argument, is that the character is written as flawless by their creator, or their "flaws" are designed to make them look better (I.E, being so beautiful it's a curse, being so compassionate it hurts, etc).
With this in mind, can you find one of Dany's character flaws that any of the showrunners, writers or actors will acknowledge as intentional? Inadvertent flaws caused by bad writing don't count.

The whole plan is unbelievably stupid you don't need to be a general to realize it. Sun Tzu is rolling in his grave.

>>85769549
No, that is a mary sue. The dragons are her only weapon pretty much, without them, she'd have nothing, but she's also done some nice stuff for people
Cersei has literally never done anything besides be a cunt and everyone knows she's fucking Jamie. There is no reason she is still queen

>>85742418
because Tyrion wants to bang Missandei

>>85766125
muh dragons

>>85769136
as the drowned god his boats can sink into the water and resurface anywhere anytime

>>85769796
>With this in mind, can you find one of Dany's character flaws that any of the showrunners, writers or actors will acknowledge as intentional?
She's too trusting.

Honestly, imo, Cersei is poorly written. It makes no sense that so many people follow her when everyone knows she fucks Jamie and has done nothing but murder and lie

>>85769991
>she's poorly written
Is there a single well written character left on this shitshow?

>>85769991
>She's too trusting.
That falls into a flaw designed to make her look better, anon. It hasn't caused her a significant set back for about 5 seasons now.

>Honestly, imo, Cersei is poorly written. It makes no sense that so many people follow her when everyone knows she fucks Jamie and has done nothing but murder and lie
You won't find any disagreement here.

The fact that nobody, not even the clearly horrified Jamie, batted an eye this season over her blowing up the NotVatican is very shitty writing.

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>>85766993
I've hated the armor and outfits in this series since the beginning. I remember that BTS interviews before the series began airing about how they were deliberately trying not to use a Eurocentric or something direction in architecture, clothing, armor, etc. Would've been much better if they stuck to generic medieval equipment. The Lannister uniform in particular looks really stupid; like Uruk-Hai or bugs