yes yes... well done Tolkien... well done Tolkien... HOWEVER

*dodges the draft*

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How the fuck does he do it, lads?

*buuuurp* gods not real tyrion

>>85699187
What about Sauron's tax policy?

>>85699420

>file...you fools

Baby orcs? What about the baby orcs?

>>85699445
Orc Lives Matter #OLM

>>85699187
TAX

>>85699187
GRRM is so far ahead of Tolkien its not even funny. His characters are so much more iconic and memorable than the bland ones in lord of the rings. Think of Jon Snow, Daenerys, Jaime Lannister - household names, they all have real in depth character development and the audience feels attached to them. This is no contest against fucking Aragorn and Frodo, and the entire plot of Lord of the Rings is so convoluted and confused that it's not even worth talking about. Whereas GRRM's plot, full of twists and turns, is compelling and engaging. He portrays war so much more realistically, and his story is gritty, human, real, and authentic. He actually draws from real history, and unlike Tolkien doesn't rely on meme languages and """lore""" to make his work great. His work is already great because it stands on its own merits, and his is the story of our generation. It is for this reason that Game of Thrones is the current pinnacle of television, and why ASOIAF is so iconic and beloved, and why its legacy will far outlast Tolkien's.
He isn't the American Tolkien because he is far beyond that level.

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>taxposting was so great it burned out almost immediately

>>85699314
Why would you fight in Vietnam

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>>85699341
>mfw book Dany just dies from diarrhea and leaves all that fucking mess in Mereen to someone else

Yeah, but what about planetos' linguistics?

>>85699489
saved

>>85699489
this except unironically

>>85699187
>Food is such a central element in the Ice and Fire series that some critics have accused Martin of "gratuitous feasting".[66] By fans' count, the first four novels name more than 160 dishes,

What the fuck. 160 dishes? I

>>85699187

Christopher Tolkien : "Leave GRRM to me."

Careful guys, your insecurities are showing. Reading isn't for everyone.

>>85699710
the fat guy sure knows his food m8

>>85699767
How can there just be entire pages devoted to food? Who the fuck is going to read that?

>>85699518
To kill commie gooks?

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>>85699489
>I've met people irl who say this without sarcasm to my face

>>85699518
for the ten dollar sucky suckys

>>85699187
Imagine Tolkien didn't finish Return of the King and Peter Jackson had to write the final movie on his own.

>>85699802
That's pretty normal in fantasy. In fact, a lot of non-serious young-audience directed books spend a lot of time on food. Redwall and Hunger Games come to immediately to mind

Tolkien is to creative literary genius what Martin is to hack pulp idiocy. They both so far surpass anyone else in their field that they will be remembered 1,000 years from now as a kind of yin and yang of fantasy, a Manichean duality of speculative letters. For every sublime, luminous beauty that Tolkien has gifted the world, Martin has cursed us with a tedious, banal ugliness. It is unfair to compare the two directly on any one point, because Martin is in every way the anti-Tolkien, patently sterile, parasitical, and inferior, but so much so that he becomes a monument in his own right, and counterbalances Tolkien. Could one exist without the other? Tolkien obviously could. But it is only by the contrast that Martin offers that we can truly appreciate the full depths and heights of Tolkien. Our understanding of Tolkien would be incomplete if Martin had never set pen to page. It is through only the abject failure and futility of Martin that we can approach an apprehension of the true scope and scale of Tolkien's hitherto inconceivable greatness. Perhaps this is what Tolkien had in mind when he wrote about the Music of the Ainur. If Tolkien is a subcreator in the image of Eru, truly Martin is like unto Melkor. It is only reflected in the awfulness of the one that we can fully see the goodness of the other.

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>Dude good guys fight bad guys and then good guys win lmao xDDdd. friendship ftw :^)

>Complex and charismaticly written human characters each with their flaws and virtues communicate and fight with each other with magic sprinkled all around

Gee I don't know what's better.

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>waah industry is bad
BRAVO TOLKIEN

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>>85699968
Just how messy would it be?

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>>85700003
k

>>85700055
First one unironically

More fun

>>85699802
most "nerds", who are the main target of fantasy novels are fat and love to eat

>>85699489
>a shitty tv show
>better than Lord of the Rings

yeah no.

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>George RR Martin is a beta cu-

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>>85699968
Scouring of the Shire was a mistake.

>>85700187
what game is this? looks fun

>>85700147
>waah war is bad
>except when it's cool xD

>>85700257
DRILL THE OIL

>>85700271
looks like a mod for ck2

>>85700276
>war
>cool
looks like you need some reading comprehension kiddo

>>85700271
Crusader Kings II
http://www.moddb.com/mods/crusader-kings-2-a-game-of-thrones-ck2agot
I've managed to overthrow the rulers of the Vale by starting out as a minor inbreeding family of Tolkien.

>"if you’re going to write about war, and you just want to include all the cool battles and heroes killing a lot of orcs and things like that and you don’t portray [sexual violence], then there’s something fundamentally dishonest about that."

>“By 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead”.

>>85700055
>a large cast of characters develop in an extremely well built world to enact the classic albeit simple good vs evil battle, using beautiful and aesthetically pleasing visuals and language

>hahaha lets have SEx :DDD lets kill everybody and be cynical, dude nietzche lmao also lets make it so no one is likable so you don't care for anyone :DDDD also STRONK WOMYN and le funny dwarf man, am i progressive enough yet?

>>85700257
Imagine if George was like 40 years younger and didn't look like a fat hobo.
He'd get so much pussy.

>>85700271
It's not

>>85699495
A flame that burns twice as bright only lasts half as long.
Baneposting is the only exception.

>>85700424
>no one is likable
wew imagine having to need cookie cutter heroes to root for to sympathise with characters and enjoy a story

>>85699187
does he even talk about tax policy in his books or is it just a bunch of handwaving

>>85700429
>age
>looks
>mattering to a man with money and fame
You have a long way to go.

>>85700485
he only brings it up when it comes to hookers

>>85700432
>started as a king and the bloodline still perished after 4 generations

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>>85700187
>CK2
>doing anything of note takes multiple years
>entirety of ASOIAF from books 1-5 is like 3-4 years
>any good size war in CK2 takes 15 years

mod is shit, i think it overestimates the size of Westeros

https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY

>>85699489
Absolutely based

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>>85700229
ASOIAF>LOTR

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>>85700554
it's still better than all the other GoT games.
a poor nigger can't be picky.

>>85700504
He doesn't have the stamina to use the pussy he's given in his state.
As a younger man who wasn't fat he would.

>>85700003
saved

>>85699489
Actually, yeah, LOTR characters aren't very compelling.

Sam and Gollum have some depth to them, though.

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>>85700003

>>85699489
Book Jon Snow has more depth than the entire cast of LOTR combined. Nice copy pasta but it's kind of true.

>>85700795
and he's not even close to the best character grrm's written
that said, arya was still a mistake.

>>85700354
The way GRRM does it, war doesn't look cool at all, unless you are standing far away or hearing about it without actually having been there.

If one guy doesn't die shitting his guts out, it isn't realistic. It happened all the way to WWI.

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>>85700795
>bland protagonist-man
>depth

>makes a living writing glorified fanfiction
>models the presentation of his fucking name after the guy whose works he's fanfic-ing
>still bitches about fanfiction writers

What did he mean by this?

>>85700257
Me in the back.

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>>85700887
>book Jon Snow
>bland

Yeah, he is bland compared to the rest of ASOIAF characters, but to LOTR? Not even close.

>>85700937
You're David Benioff? Can I get your autograph in crayola?

>>85700554
The AGOT mod for CK2 is probably the best mod for that game.

It obviously has limits given the base game's limitations (no naval combat really kills playing as the Ironborn or the Free Cities) but they've put a lot of effort into it and not just made it some reskin of medieval Europe with a new map.

>>85700485
Yeah, but it doesn't really make sense. Even if you were to set aside HALF of all your crops, how would that last you a several-years-long winter? Do they just sell STDs to buy foreign food?

>>85700921
I'm not even a GRRM fan, but Tolkien fanboys need to tone down their bullshit

>>85700941
he's not even that different between the book and the show so i don't know why you are specifying the book one.
he's so fucking generic you probably can't name any characteristics he has that aren't cliche protagonist characteristics like "brave" and "angsty"

>>85700962
not its not. that would be ck2+ or HIP. AGOT takes out half the content from the base game but those other mods just add on to it.

>>85701023
He's being a retard, but tolkien can't write characters

>>85701010
if you analyse deep enough there's probably a fair few things that won't make such in reality, but at the surface level this is mostly fine
>winters usually only last for a couple of years max, summers are longer
>castles are all ridiculously huge, extra storage
>winter typically only means zero food production for the north, where old people will typically walk off and die in the middle of the night just to save some food for their families

>>85699489
this. in 50 years nobody will remember tolkien or his shitty little books, but 500 years from now GRRM will still be considered a classic

>>85701065
do you have any proof to back that up?

>>85701105
yeah, the whole LOTR trilogy

>>85701103
I completely agree, I'd rather read GRRM books than reading racist tolkien shit, hes an old white dinosaur and GRRM makes woman the true power love him. :)

>>85701171
so you can't actually name anything specific? you probably haven't even read the books and just spout shit to defend daddy gurm.

>>85701065
Tolkien utilizes classic archetypes for his characters. That is why most think they can be one dimensional and shallow. I still subscribe to the idea that Tolkien wrote LOTR as a type of myth or legend and it should be read and viewed that way as opposed to a regular novel.

>>85701103
in 500 years GRRM still wouldn't have finished his books

>>85699489
Tolkien rn :
>Reeeee fucking normies

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>>85701256
No
but preston will have

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>>85701065

>>85701275
>top 10 school shootings we could have prevented

>>85699942
I have to admit, that does sound based.

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>>85701023
Spoken like someone who has never read the books and just read the cliffs from some website. He is extremely different from the show. He is rash, incompetent as a commander, a person trying to do good but ignoring his duties, a breaker of vows, a loner, an extreme bully when things don't go his way, etc...

Tell me the various qualities of Aragorn, for example without resorting to him being good. Actually, tell me the various qualities of any character iN LOTR besides resorting to good or evil.

>>85701173
Yeah... ''I AM NO MAN!''. Fuck off, every single female character in GRRM's books is portrayed like a retard - from Cersei and her psychotic episodes and the fact that she thinks she is so smart but is actually extremely stupid to Catelyn Stark who basically caused the fall of the Stark dynasty... Yeah, women power... Stop getting your info from D&D.

>>85700743
Boromir, and that is it.

I don't want to shit on LOTR, but GRRM made him absolute.

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>>85701323
only happens because the white dads are often autistic betas themselves
evidently not the case with /ourguy/

>>85699489
here is your (You)

>>85701327
>a-at least the books are good though
"No!"

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>>85699489
Saved to be reposted every day without exception.

Funny thing is is that I've never watched GoT

>>85701327
>to Catelyn Stark who basically caused the fall of the Stark dynasty
NO
BULLY

>>85701357
dude looks like he will shoot up the post office at any second.

>>85701382
They're thousand times better than LOTR. Just because Tolkien's books were the original doesn't mean they are the best. That's something Tolkien cucks have a hard time comprehending

tolkien didn't even have real characters, only archetypes

martin can actually write wholesome people

>>85701438
you must be baiting. asoiaf is little more than pulpy trash filled with purple prose to pad it out to a ridiculous length. it's stuffed to the brim with plots that go nowhere, cliches, terrible writing and inconsistent characters. it will never be considered art.

>>85699926
Have you met ppl who say the Navy seal pasta?
What about that gross brap one from fit?

>>85701623
name 5 examples of inconsistent characters

>>85701658

Theon stops having a dick like halfway

>>85701623
>it's stuffed to the brim with plots that go nowhere,
wat?

>cliches
wat?

>terrible writing and inconsistent characters
wat?

>>85700424
>Extremely well-built world

You have to be shitting me.

LOTR is unironically one of the most simplistic and bland fantasy settings ever created.

>>85701743
>this is the intelligence of an asoiaf fan
no wonder /lit/ kicked you all out

>>85701794
>he can't elaborate on any of his points

>>85701793
it's still less bland than the generic medieval europe setting of got

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>>85699557
>mfw book Jon Snow really is just the product of Ned Stark and some tavern wench

>>85701794
Retard, instead of using meaningless words like "hurr durr the books are cliches" why don't you just give concrete examples of your points? And I don't remember /lit/ kicking anyone out.

>>85701818
when have you elaborated on any of your points? all you've said is "asoiaf good! lotr bad!"

>>85701887
go start a thread about asoiaf on /lit/ and tell me what happens /got/fag

>>85701888
>I replied to you so I must be the original anon you were arguing with

>>85701990
>i defend another anon but i don't know what any of his points are
so you're just an idiot?

>>85702051
I'm not defending anyone, I'm just pointing out your apparent inability to expand on any of the vague points you've attempted to make.

>>85700554
>>any good size war in CK2 takes 15 years

Not really.

>>85701888
It's better in almost everything - better characters, better plot, way more complex story and characters, better and more realistic dialogue, way more interesting world setting (imo), etc. And that's coming from a guy that likes both series and thinks of them as entirely different from one another.

>>85701977
Last time I visited /lit/ and saw a thread about GRRM, they were basically making fun of the fact that D&D ruined his books with their dumb show which is entirely true. Except 2 LOTR morons who sperged out much similiar to this thread.

>>85702102
they're less vague than the points i'm countering so i don't know what your problem is.

>reminder Tolkien wasn't going for realism and deep, complex, developed characters

>>85702141
>D&D ruined the show
you do know GRRM had to approve everything they added

>>85701422
U MAD yellaboi

>>85702202

Nope, they have full creative freedom. GURM is just an adviser

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>>85699187

>>85702141
>better plot
what plot?

>>85702202
No, he did not. You think GRRM would have approved the "bad poussey" plot? GRRM himself says that he has absolutely nothing to do with the show and he has visited the set only 2 times in the first season. As the oher Anon said, they have full creative freedom to do what they want and since George hasn't finsihed the books (he isn't even close to), he can't do shit about it.

>>85702141
complex =/= good

>>85702295
>You think GRRM would have approved the "bad poussey" plot?
yes

>>85702122
In my current game of HIP, there was a crusade against the heretic HRE that lasted nearly 14 years. Regular crusades for places like the Holy Land can last a decent time as well if the player doesn't join in to save the day. In AGOT mod, the wars can last years. As Bobby B, after I won the war with the Targs, the Reach and Dorne and a bunch of minor lords declared independence and it took god knows how long before I finally pacified the entire realm.

>>85699341
that's actually a good description of dysentery. except but the end, your gut is so porous and you're so empty of actual shit that whatever comes out looks like rice water.

>>85702280
War of the Five Kings>War of the Ring by miles.

>>85702318
Most of the time. Especially in this case. As I said, I love both and I find them very different from one another, but Martin's books (especially the first three) are better in almost every way to the LOTR, it's not even a matter of taste here.

I mean, let's compare the mystery of the fall of Valyria to... Tom Bombadil, I guess? What's more captivating?

>>85702412
Kek, have you even read the books? There's nothing even remotely similiar to that plot.

>>85702530
>A bunch of volcanoes exploded in a ripoff of Atlantis vs. some stupid character that was the writers self insert

Neither are particularly interesting.

>>85702530
>it's not even a matter of taster
oh but it is, anyone that has read both books would agree that lotr is much better as a literary work. it's so obvious that you haven't even read it.

>>85699341
Well done fiber will done fiber however.

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>>85699341
Hell if I know lads. Martin is a master wordsmith

>>85702530
>cant explain the plot

>>85702530
The fact that Tom Bombadil is never fully explained or spoon-fed to the reader makes him way my interesting then any of the magical shit you get in asofai. A perfect example of less is more.

Also it's not a fucking mystery, it's the classic story of civilization flying too close to the sun and burning out. Btw, it was fucking dragons.

>>85702660
>literal quentin-tier image

.
>>85702727
>can't even refute it
:^)

>>85702660
a shitty writer for a shitty generation of retards. coincidence?

>>85702660
Don't talk shit about Myrish Swamp.

>>85699518
Why would you fight in ww1?

>>85701854
>>85702660
>mfw gurm is just an undereducated, talentless, average fat amerikunt neckbeard after all

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>>85702660
>their sight of arousal was arousing
so this is the power... of the American Tolkien

>>85700795
>muh depth
>muh characters

purple prose shitters

>>85702841
Martin can be appalling at his worst. His world building is lazy (just rip off history more so than the average fantasy writer and sprinkle light magic and wa la) his porn scenes are laughable and the prose is atrocious for someone who "spends" a lot of time "writing." But he can make rather decent characters and arcs from time to time. And in his defense the books are worthy of entry into the Western canon compared to the writing of the show.

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>>85699489
This guy gets it.

>>85701245
>I still subscribe to the idea that Tolkien wrote LOTR as a type of myth or legend

You don't need to subscribe to that like it's some sort of contention - it was clearly stated by Tolkien. The point of Middleearth is to create an artificial English myth because he found it lacking in comparison to German or French

>>85702604
Using simple words like that you can practically ruin any story. Saying the fall of Valyria is a "Ripoff" of Atlantis is also extremely stupid as you can say that every story is a ripoff of something. LOTR, for example, is a ripoff from everything you can think of, especially European history and culture. Same as ASOIAF.

>>85702621
In your delusional head, maybe. I've read both of them and I don't agree. Plenty of other people don't agree. But for some reason that makes LOTR cucks extremely mad, so mad that they have to spam the same shitty thread about taxes and such out of jealousy that their little book for children isn't worshipped anymore.

>>85702672
Sauron wants to destroy the world. Brave hobbits and humans unite to oppose him. They manage to defeat him after some struggle. The end/

>>85702691
Tom Bombadil is the most ridiculous and shit character by far, I can't believe you're even defending him. You faggots will defend everything, absolutely everything Tolkien has ever written. It's pathetic.

>>85702660
9 quotes taken from 5 extremely large novels that have combined words of almost 2 million. And some of them aren't even that bad - "I am the storm" is absolutely the perfect way to portray Euron's madness and delusion of grandeur. Darkstar is meant to be ridiculous.

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>>85699489
nice copypasta mate

Also (You)

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>>85699187
>He honestly thinks Jaime could take Aragorn

>>85703322
that's nothing

he thinks Jaime could take Rand al'Thor

>>85703218
>It's okay for it to be shit. It's being shit ironically
Also you don't understand the plot of ASOIAF.
>A bunch of people fight for a throne, but zombies and ice people are coming to kill them all.

Suck Martin's fat pink mast all you want, he's still a poor writer

>>85700055
Yes, Tolkien is an excellent embodiment of the second.

>>85703322
Jaime could take him because he knows what taxes are.

>>85700554
In theory Westeros is supposed to be the size of South America, but GRRM is a retard and doesn't understand exactly how big south america is.

>>85702660
This is the power of the famous grrm?
Glad I never read that shit

>>85703218
You're an autist and white knighting for a fat old millionaire neckbeard. Think about that

>>85702660
>"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night"
>hating on this

>>85699187

>HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD

t. GURM

>>85703619
Is this supposed to be a BLACKED reference?
Is this why /tv/ loves this shit series?

>>85703619
Sounds like some garbage out of a comic book. Given Martin's love of capeshit, it's intentional.

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>>85703218
>frantically replying to anyone who mocks his pulp novels
>implies I'm the one who's mad
you're the only person itt who unironically gives this much shit about asoiaf. where are the "plenty of other people" who agree with you?

>>85703218
i meant the "better" plot to grrms book numbnuts

>>85703687
What's Griffith's tax policy?

>>85703409
>It's okay for it to be shit

Euron is mad. His whole character is that of a deranged lunatic that has delusions of grandeur. The dialogue fits him perfectly. How is that "shit" dialogue when it fits the character to a tee? Should he use Shakespearean words?

>>A bunch of people fight for a throne, but zombies and ice people are coming to kill them all.

We have absolutely no idea who the Others are and what they want. It's pretty safe to say they are nothing like the mindless orcs in LOTR and they do have a purpose besides "hurr durr destroy the world" hehe.

>>85703586
Saying ASOIAF is better than LOTR is white knighting... Okay.

>>85703687
You've probably never even read Berserk and took that image because it seemed cool, am I right? Anyway, this is my first time replying in the debate Tolkien vs GRRM and the only reason I'm replying is because I'm sick and tired of these threads created by Tolkienfags every. single. day. Frankly, this argument shouldn't even be here and should be on /lit/ but the moderators obviously aren't doing a good job of.. well, moderating.

>>85703841
Yes. You are whiteknighting.

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>>85703841
>I'm sick and tired of these threads
so you admit that you are mad then?

>>85703956
Are you white knighting Tolkien?

>>85703974
Go read the Hobbit. Berserk is not for you, friendo.

>>85703841
>It's pretty safe to say they are nothing like the mindless orcs in LOTR and they do have a purpose besides "hurr durr destroy the world" hehe.
Why?
Authors that aren't hacks are well aware that an antagonistic force needn't have discernible or deep motives when they're primarily a catalyst for other characters.

Eagle-eye Sansa also notices that the armor isn't covered in leather — that's a no no for the cold.

Sansa is in charge and doing a bang up job. Whether it’s figuring out how to feed the country through the long winter or understanding that their armor needs leather, there’s nothing that flummoxes her.

Sansa is doing what she’s always done: survive. She’s making plans for Winterfell to survive the winter and advises adding leather to armor to protect against the cold.

She advises to build up the grain storages since food is scant in the North, and she tells the blacksmiths to put leather on the armor they're making so soldiers can stay warm in the cold.

Sansa proves herself to be a fantastic leader in the simple but sharp adjustments she has her advisors make: Add leather to the armor so the soldiers don’t freeze to death; bring in more grains so the people don’t starve to death. Do you hear those "Queen in the North" chants coming? Because I do.
Until next week, dragons!

>>85704133
>and she tells the blacksmiths to put leather on the armor they're making so soldiers can stay warm in the cold.
I like to think that everyone was just indulging her for pointing out the fucking obvious and they all knew it was going to be done later.

>>85704068
>passive aggressive "friendo"
why does good writing make you so mad?

>>85704068
No, I haven't taken part in the discussion, I am not a big fan of either.
That said, I know a white knight when I see one. You are one.

>>85703841
I was specifically talking about Durksturrrr, not Euron. And the orcs were not mindless

Also, who gives a shit if he read Berserk or not. A reaction image is a reaction image you autist.

>>85704068
>He can't enjoy both Tolkien and Miura at the same time

Pathetic desu

>>85704079
Plenty of reasons. You only have to look at the first scene in A Game of Thrones between the Others and Waymar Royce to understand they're not mindless beast and are quite frankly way more advanced than the human race is.

The Other said something in a language that Will did not know; his voice was like the cracking of ice on a winter lake, and the words were mocking.

>>85704291
LOTR isn't really "good writing"

>>85704298
Kek, are you serious? Might want to check your earlier posts, you sperg. You're changing your tune, it seems.

>>85704360
Point still stands. And the orcs are pretty much mindless beasts.

>Pathetic desu
Look how triggered you've become. Can't take a fucking joke. I enjoy all 3 but there is no doubt about the fact that Berserk and ASOIAF are thousand times better than LOTR.

>>85700554
It's not the mod's faut lmao. Compared to the show/books the troops don't march that slowly on the map and it just seems to take so long because of the slow adding up of warscore which is 100% the vanilla game's fault

>>85699979
This. People always complain about the food descriptions being too much in asoiaf but I read the Redwall books growing up and that shit was so over the top with the food that I barely even noticed it in got. In one of the books there was a whole chapter that was just an eating contest and it went on forever.

>>85704551
>You only have to look at the first scene in A Game of Thrones between the Others and Waymar Royce to understand they're not mindless beast and are quite frankly way more advanced than the human race is.
Orcs explicitly aren't mindless either.
Their motives are still simple.

>And the orcs are pretty much mindless beasts.
Ugluk, Shagrat, Azog (the real one), the goblin king and grishnark would like a word with you.

>>85704551
>LOTR isn't really good writing
do you really have any proof of that. anon's here have given proof of the horrible writing in asoiaf but you've produced nothing to back your claims.

>>85704551
>he thinks ASOIAF is good
How much of a retard do you have to be to enjoy that piece of utter garbage

>>85704551
>And the orcs are pretty much mindless beasts.
Why do you argue about a book series you clearly haven't read?

>>85699518
Why would you be a faggot bitch?

>>85704551
I can't tell if you're just a contrarian, baiting or stupid.

>>85704782
The bizarre part is that even if he's a filmfag, the orcs are still blatantly not mindless in them.
Usually you get shitposters seeing the adaption, or reading shit here or on /tg/, and trying to bluff based on that. It's rare to see someone shitposting about something they clearly know absolutely nothing about.

>>85701327
>this is what /pol/tards of /got/ unironically believe

Sad!

>>85702660
>implying cunts don't become the world for women when they get near orgasm

>>85702660
> quote sex scenes

HAHAHA THE WHOLE SHIT IS GARBAGE

>>85703809
He taxes you to death

>>85704684
>Ugluk, Shagrat, Azog (the real one), the goblin king and grishnark would like a word with you.

None of them have an IQ above 50 and none of them have any other emotion besides being evil. By "mindless beasts" I didn't mean that they literally didn't have the capacity to think. I shouldn't even be stating that, really.

>>85704731
Good writing doesn't mean the use of fancy words. I already said why ASOIAF is superior.
>>85704862
Not an argument.

>>85704782
>>85704978
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, instead of explaining to me how "I haven't read the books", tell me where I'm wrong.

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>>85700257
>grrm isn't beta

>>85701173
>racist
Explain please

>>85705042
>None of them have an IQ above 50 and none of them have any other emotion besides being evil
Bullshit.
Ugluk was capable of tactical and abstract thinking, Shagrat was a guard commander that spent time learning about Shelob and using the information to his advantage, Azog was a General capable of taking on Dwarf forces on a strategic level, Bolg and the Goblin king organised a march halfway across the world, and Grishnark was a trusted courier and understood what the Nazghul were.

>By "mindless beasts" I didn't mean that they literally didn't have the capacity to think. I shouldn't even be stating that, really.
yes you did, otherwise you wouldn't have used that example of the others to display a difference between theirs and the orcs mental faculties, since orcs explicitly are on that level and beyond.
It's shit like this that makes people know you haven't read what you're shitposting about, and the fact that you haven't read it is why people assume you're a white knighting fanboy.

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>Good writing doesn't mean the use of fancy words.
AHAHAHAHA I thought you were defending asoiaf. grrm's books have much more purple prose and "fancy words" than lotr. actually read the fucking books before critising them.
>I already said why ASOIAF is superior.
yeah all of it was subjective bullshit like "it's more complex" or "it's more mature" which shows you have a teenager's understanding of literature.

>>85705385
meant for >>85705042

>>85699187
i really like that shirt GRR is wearing

how can i steal his look?

GRRM is much better than that hack Tolkien. Even the GoT showrunners are much better than this fairytale wannabee Britbong

GRRM got his books destroyed by those racist retard showrunners... maybe they should have adaptated that racist hack Tolkien instead.

>>85699489
you

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>>85705618
GURM IS A YASSQUEEN FAGGOT

TOLKIEN WAS A PROPER OLD TIME RACE REALIST

>>85703218
Hi George

>>85699518
It ain't him.

>>85699187

Dragonlance War of the Lance>>6th Dragonlance book is far superior to this schlock. The prose is quality when merited and the character arcs are far more climactic and complete. And they're literally YA fantasy novels.

Why the fuck did HBO's Rome die so this POS adaption could get made? There is not one part of any of his shit novels that compares to Sturm's demise in Dragonlance.

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>>85706177
>Wanting to unleash Kender on the world again

>>85705044
You have got to be fucking kidding me.

>>85706177
>Why the fuck did HBO's Rome
Timing. If Rome had happened ten years later it would have benefited from HBO being in a better place financially to take a risk and support it fully.

>>85706585
Had it happened 10 years later, Augustus would be a black numidian with a shit ton of swag and game.

>>85699489
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