Paul Verhoeven's CRUSADES (1991)

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>The project was being developed by Carolco Pictures, but was scrapped when "Showgirls" flopped and Carolco went bankrupt, souring Verhoeven on the Hollywood movie industry.

>>85696637
>arabs as the good guys
>christian church is evil

If this was done today, /tv/ would cry denounce Verhoeven as a SJW fedora tipper

>Paul Verhoeven
yeah

>>85697087
Verhoeven has been a commie pinko cock sucker since day one anon.

Sounds a bit too edgy for Schwarzenegger.

>>85696637
Those poor innocent muslims

>>85696637
glad this was never made desu

>>85697224
>a commie

hey 1930 want you back

>Urban II
>corrupt
what the fuck

>>85697087
oh shutup
kingdom of heaven is basically the same and everybody loves it

> the west is evil for invading the middle east
> the ottomans invading europe were the victims

this is taught in schools

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>>85697553
I don't think people would like Kingdom of Heaven that much if it wasn't for Baldwin IV

>>85697688
>the ottomans invading europe were the victims
>this is taught in schools

no it isn't. Where the fuck did you go to school?

#SarracenLivesMatter

>>85697753

the emphasis is usually put on the crusaders rather than the saracens; how it was botched and unproductive.

>but what about the four or five centuries of Muslims raiding the southern coast of Europe, or forcing all the Christians and Jews out of Jerusa--

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU RACIST ISLAMOPHOBE

>>85697918
yeah and they're correct in teaching kids, how the crusades were a fucking shitshow especially after invading constantinople
I too would wish they would teach the kids also about muslim invasion and expansion war and how the crusades actually had a purpose other than christian zealousness/ pope urban wanting to get rid of noblemen in europe to gain power (that's what i was thought), but they shouldn't censor how awful the crusades were indeed.

The ottomans were portrayed as the evil invading force all the time in school though (but i'm austrian, so i guess there's some automatic bias against ottomans)

>>85697997
>muh little skirmishes are just as bad as an entire european army invading a sovereign country

>>85697997
>WE WUZ ROMANZ AND SHIT PRAISE WAR AND BLOOD
>ugh how could like, muslims start wars just to conquer stuff, so problematic

>>85696637
#dunecoonlivesmatter

>>85698097

many people in europe and america do not know that spain was occupied by muslims but throw out word 'crusades' as another example of white colonialism or invasion.

it seems like its acceptable to bring up atrocities commited by white europeans but not other races.

>>85698127
>little skirmishes
fuck off

>>85698127
>angry at Europe for doing the same thing, just better
That third world state of mind

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>>85698127
>the Arab invasions were little skirmishes
>the Ottoman invasions were all skirmishes

>>85698382
>best they ever did is occupy a small island and part of Spain
woah, truly a massive unstoppable invasion
>>85698425
>just better
lmao, crusades were an embarrassment and europeons lost despite having all the advantages
better go and liberate "constantinople" now

>>85698497
>best they ever did is occupy a small island and part of Spain

you're baiting, right?

>Christians are the bad guys
>Muslims are good guys
>Why don't we all just get along!!!(but first we kill all the straight white male christians)

Verhoeven had like 2 good movies and has done nothing for 25 years

>>85698361
The whole point of it is being anti-white.

>film about the crusades
>directed by Verhoeven
>with Arnold

It would have been a fucking masterpiece

>>85698605
>muslims are violent! Now let me worship white people for winning wars and conquering shit
>btw not white am i still based?

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>butthurt /pol/tards discovering Verhoeven is a leftist
>they'll shit on one of the greatest directors alive because of an aborted project

>>85698833
Starshp Troopers was a masterpiece though :^)

>>85698833

not really

i disagreed with his politics in starship troopers buts still liked the flick.

this project sounds like a typical leftist screed against the catholic church.

>>85696637
no

he made a medieval movie called "flesh and blood" and it was shit

in fact everything he's ever done is shit

>>85698605
>and has done nothing for 25 years

Black Book and Elle are some of his most remarkable films but I don't really expect a triggered faggot to know about them

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>>85698870
Say anything about ST being some unintentional redpilled movie and I fucking kill you

>>85696637
as long as it mocks christianity, yes. it would be a blockbuster.

>>85698981
it is though
it made a lot of people read the book and the book is actually fucking amazing

>>85696637
The problem with Verhoeven is that he's truly good when he is ironic, like in his Sci-fi movies.
His Hollywood movies where he tried to be serious were terrible.

Unless it was some medieval action movie that didn't take itself seriously it would have failed.

>>85698981
I'm a /pol/ack and I love that movie. I don't see anything wrong with it accept for a few actors.

I wouldn't start arguing about historical accuracy (or inaccuracy) of that Verhoeven aborted Crusade film.

If I recall correctly, that script had cannibals and Arnold wielding the True Cross in the final battle sequence.

Would have made an awesome movie, though.

>>85698361
Muslims in Spain took you out of the dark ages, developed science and medicine, spain contributions to science stopped the moment they expelled the moors.

Nobody would have cared about good muslim and evil christian characters back in the 90s, except butthurt christfags who were used to hate Verhoeven... it was before 9/11, and internet being full of social media whiners

>>85699123
Also, here's the script. You all can read it yourself:

https://stephenbatchelorblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/crusade.pdf

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>>85699123
>If I recall correctly, that script had cannibals and Arnold wielding the True Cross in the final battle sequence.

Holy shit.

>>85699284
Man, Spain became a worldwide spanning empire when they got rid of the Muslims.
Their decline started centuries later.

>>85699395
Their scientific contributions stopped, even with a whole new world to explore, they developed nothing and spread disease murder and misery.

>>85699284
jesus christ, theres not much that infuriates me more than agenda driven historical revisionism
Take your fucking politics to /pol/, educate yourself on history on /his/ and let's fucking purge this thread form /tv/

>>85699395
>praises Spain for doing what those evil pesky muslims attempted

>>85699561
sure, why not.
They were better than them and in far bigger scale.

>>85699561
Muslims conquered actual countries.
Spaniard and Britcucks couldn't even conquer mainland europe and had to go conquer deserts and underdeveloped civilizations

>>85699522
Well then name one scientific contribution of the unified kingdom of Spain.

A Portuguese discovering an already populated continent doesn't counts.

>>85698361
Fuck. Your. Lying. Ass. Everyone knows Spain was occupied by the moosleems. Even fucking chinese come to see the moor architecture in Spain. Your uneducated ass needs to stop lying.

Reminder that the largest genocide in human history was the Muslim invasion of India. They murdered 200 million people. No it wasn't like what happened to the American Indians we're 60 million people died from disease. The Muslims literally slaughtered 200 million people in the streets. Entire new religions arose based around people defending themselves against Muslims. The horror of this single historical event eclipses anything bad Christians have ever done. You will never hear this event discussed in the media or schools. Under any circumstances.

Christian crusaders were bloodthirsty imperialistic savages who forcefully subjugated pagan tribes. Check out northern crusaders. Christianity is on par with islam.

>>85698097
>austrian
>cuckold
Kek! Who could expect such a thing??

>>85699834
northern crusades were German fuckery since the catholic Poles and the Orthodox Russians were its targets

>>85699729
Kek, he's right and your cuck ass is triggered.

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>>85699335
>A thread about would-be medieval, R-rated prime Arnold action kino directed by Verhoeven.
>People complain about history.

Y'all have shit taste.

>>85696637
>Hagen having an orgy with Mira's maids for Mira's voyeuristic pleasure, among other

this seems like a bit of a nonsequitur desu

>>85699312
Back in the 90s Muslims could definitely just as easily be wacky sidekicks or villains, but there is no way "the pope is evil and all Christians are evil" would not rile up significant portions of the U.S. population

>>85699720
Name some scientific contributions of muslim spain, or those magical PoC you're still butthurt over the spaniards civilizing.

>Paul Verhoeven
>Schwarzenegger

Yes

People arguing about verhoeven are missing the point because op post mistakenly attributes the script to him but he didn't write it and was just supposed to direct it, walon green wrote the original script, screenwriter of the wild bunch and sorcerer

>>85697461
Go die in a snowbank, red.

>>85699965
Don't forget also prime Jennifer Connelly.

>>85698920
Can you imagine being this plebeian...

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Unfilmed passion projects thread?

>Francis Ford Coppola's MEGALOPOLIS was in active development between 1998 and 2001. The script, penned by Coppola, centers on Serge Catalan (Russell Crowe), a wealthy and successful architect who is lauded by his groundbreaking designs but reviled for his excessive lifestyle. Upon learning that the ambitious Mayor of New York City, Frank Cicero (Robert De Niro), and his associate Gene Hamilton (Warren Beatty), an elderly billionaire, are developing "Cityworld", a cutting-edge casino mini-city at the heart of NYC to solve its economic problems, Serge approaches the government with a cheaper and sleeker alternative of his own design, "Megalopolis", entirely made from the nanotechnology-based polymer Megalon. This sparks a decades-spanning rivalry between Serge and Cicero, which is further compounded when Cicero's estranged daughter Julia (Parker Posey) develops a relationship with Serge, and by Cicero's obsession with the notion that Serge murdered his wife, with whom Serge was having an affair.

>Coppola's draft is over 200 pages, featuring over 100 characters. Over 1,000 pieces of concept art were produced, and Coppola had already shot 30 hours of secondary photography. The project was scrapped due to the September 11th attacks and the studio's general wariness of a big-budget 3h+ sci-fi political drama.

>Nicolas Cage, Kevin Spacey, Julianne Moore, Natalie Portman and Paul Newman were also slatted for high-profile supporting roles.

>>85700128

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_inventions_and_discoveries

>>85700128
The architecture of moorish Spain shits on their Christian counterparts. Christ cucks basically lived in mud cuck sheds.

>>85696637
Sounds more like A Serbian Film or Salo, Verhoeven went too far, he should have stuck to action adventure instead of perverse horror, as much as I dislike commies I liked his comically callous and profit-obsessed villains and underdogs.

>>85696695
>souring Verhoeven on the Hollywood movie industry
Isn't showgirls considered one of the worst movies in history? Surely he didn't judge all off hollywood based on that. Oh well.

>>85696637
hard to say, execution of the concept could've gone from seriously good to really tacky. I have a hard time imagining Arnie outside of his usual hackneyed performance, but at least the accent would fit. but >>85700306 makes me not care.


>>85699888
still christian crusaders. unless you're trying to invoke some 'no true crusader' fallacy

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>>85698497
read more books

>>85700333
Fucking 9-11, trashing countless ambitious endeavors in cinema and television because MUH FEEFEES, MUH TOWERS NO ONE GAVE A SHIT ABOUT UNTIL IT HAPPENED

>>85700438
Showgirls was his film. It was pretty terribly received on release, but in recent years has received a good deal of critical reevaluation, which it deserves because it's a masterpiece.

Anyways, yeah, it would've been kino because Verhoeven is a truly brilliant filmmaker.

>>85700341
>linking to wikipedia
So this is the power of cuckold intelligence, whoa...
Besides, most of those were made post kebab removal.
>>85700407
Most great spanish architecture were built by christians, and after throwing the muslims out.

By the way, Using cuck doesn't change the fact that you're complaining about Europeans defeating muslim invaders, which is as cucked as you can get.

>>85700333
I would have loved to see King Conan: Crown of Iron.

A King Conan film starring Arnold, and written by John Milius. Would have been great.

>>85700753

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1322233/

>Arnold defeats his Mohamnedan adversary by throwing him off a cliff after cutting off his arms
>"See you at the party Saladin"

Sounds like a more complex version of Flesh + Blood, I like it.

>>85700766
That would could have been something special. Oh well.

>>85700651
Showgirls is basically robocop except instead of satirising violence and dumb action movies, it's sex.
Which meant that unlike Robocop the people who didn't get that it was cynical and shitting all over that culture of commercialised sex, didn't enjoy it, it made them uncomfortable and grossed out.

Robocop and Starship Troopers worked so well because if you were too dumb to "get it", you were likely the perfect target audience for what it was pretending to be. If you took showgirls at absolute face value, that's not something you want to be seen to be a fan of in public. Except maybe I'm groups of teenage boys.

>>85696637
>portraying the Saracens as noble warriors unfairly persecuted by the Latin Church

So enlightened. So progressive.

>>85700529
This one is justified, though. MEGALOPOLIS would end with Megalopolis collapsing in the heart of New York.

>>85696637

Rambo 3?

>>85701159
I think that's part of it. All of Verhoeven's films are varying degrees of satirical, but with stuff like Robocop or Total Recall, they still work on a surface level as visceral action films. Showgirls on the surface is kitschy melodrama that audiences either couldn't connect with or cynically thought they were above leading to claims that it's so-bad-its-good. (And missing the fact that the comedy is very much intentional.) Elizabeth Berkeley's performance didn't help much either. I think she's fantastic in the film, but she's definitely obscenely over the top in pretty much every scene. (Which was, again, the intention.)

>>85700333
My favorite unproduced screenplays, in no particular order:

>Crusade - The topic of this thread. A bonkers, gory medieval Arnold action film.
>Aliens vs. Predator - The Peter Briggs script. Way different than the film(s) we got. It was an action film with Colonial Marines, Aliens and Predators. Would have been more in style of Cameron's Aliens and less present day bullshit.
>Commando 2 - Written by Frank Darabont. Yes, Frank Darabont once wrote a sequel to the fucking Commando. It's weird.
>At the Mountains of Madness - An adaptation of the H.P. Lovecraft story written by Guillermo del Toro. Would have starred Tom Cruise.
>King Conan: Crown of Iron - Come on, one last real Conan film with Arnold and Milius.

>>85701814
And almost forgot:

>Resident Evil - Written by George A. Romero. Another odd one. The "father" of zombie films wrote an adaptation of a video game inspired by his own films. That's some weird circular shit right there.

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>>85696637
>Emmerich raping teenage girls on a medieval bathtub filled with grapes in order to savor the tainted juice that the smashed grapes produced

What's the teenage girl to grape ratio?

>>85701814
What was the Commando 2 all about? Surely, it would have not been a match for the delicious 1980's cheese that is Commando.

>>85698920
>he made a medieval movie called "flesh and blood" and it was shit

Imagine being this pleb

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>>85700942

>>85698920
Oh dear.

>>85702236
It was actually written by the guy who wrote the original Commando (and Die Hard) though Darabont did some revisions.

>So for Commando 2, we figured that Arnold, after blowing up half of Los Angeles, achieves some notoriety, retires from the army and, by the time the sequel occurs, is running a security firm. The plot would have seen him hired by a big corporation to oversee their security to protect their executives from being kidnapped, to stop people breaking into their building and to make sure their computers are secure.
>So he sets it up and hires the most dangerous people to be guards in the building and then lo and behold – he discovers the people he’s working for are in the illegal arms business and the big corporation is simply a front.
>The end of the movie would see Jenny [Alyssa Milano – Arnie’s daughter from the first film] and Cindy [Dawn Rae Chong’s stewardess], who is now a lawyer, trapped in the building and Arnold now has to defeat all the people he hired – all the meanest, toughest guards – as well as the security systems, the guard dogs, everything!

Sounds pretty great 2bh

>>85702469
And the bad guy was supposed to be the good guy general from the first movie. Twist!

>>85698910
If you disagreed with the politics of ST but still liked the film then you missed the point of the film.

>>85700291
go out of the bunker grandpa

>>85700341
jesus christ, who the fuck wrote that wiki article, fuck!

>Inventions from the Golden Age of Al Andalus
>Note: Although these inventions were created on the Iberian Peninsula, that does not mean they were not made by people of Spanish heritage due to the area being part of the Islamic Empire.

>Alcohol distillation
do you have any idea how fucking old the method of alcohol destillation is?
>Animal Testing
no idea
>Antiseptics
egyptians had that thousands of years before
>Botany
NO. wtf? just because you add to the already extensive knowledge about plants (greeks etc) doesn't mean you invented botany.
>Brass type movable printer press/first printing device in Europe
yes, first device in europe after chinese invented it 200 years prior; also it was never used to any extend as the gutenberg press was; guess muslims had a problem with the spread of knowledge
>Ectopic pregnancy
no idea
>Eye glasses
invented by the chinese, maybe the romans and there's no evidence of ibn firnas inventing eyeglasses (altough he was a great scientist)
>Glass mirrors
invented by the romans long before
>Inheritance of traits
jesus, the concept of inheritance of traits is incredibly old. The idea of "it's in your blood" was self evident for many cultures over millennia. To put Al-Zahrawi on the same pedestal as Mendel with his incredibly thorrough and scientific approach is laughable
>Inhalation anesthesia
anesthesia is incredibly old, the greeks, the indians and chinese had it long before; no idea about inhalation though; so that might be true.
>Ligatures
invented by the greeks
>Metronome
i think this one is actually true as far as i know

>>85700341
>>85703181

>Mercuric oxide
no idea
>Migraine surgery
egyptians
>Modern surgery
Egyptians were more advanced in surgery than what we had until very few centuries ago. Greek translations of egytian practices are a major reason for surgical knowledge in the muslim and western world.
>Pathology
again egyptians
>Pharmacopoeia
the greeks had extensive libraries of pharmacological plants
>Speed of sound
no idea; Ibn Hazm was pretty cool though
>Spherical Earth Theory
fuck no. It's embarrassing that anyone would claim that.
>Water and weight driven mechanical clocks:
invented by the chinese and the indians long before. Also the first european one is probably an italian invention

tl;dr: conquering christian and hindu lands, gaining knowledge from greek and indian/chinese scientists; doesn't make their inventions yours.
there were great muslim mathematicians and surgeons during their "golden age", don't get me wrong; but claiming all that shit as theirs is fucking attrocious

>>85699838
what the fuck do you mean?
are you telling me, that condemning the sacking of constantinople and that the crusades in general were a huge unplanned mess, makes me a cuck?

>>85701814
>>At the Mountains of Madness - An adaptation of the H.P. Lovecraft story written by Guillermo del Toro. Would have starred Tom Cruise.

didnt the script leak and was shit? like typical hollywood bullshit and del toro portraying the monsters like good guys like he always does.

>>85704125
Ehh... It wasn't shit. Not exactly a faithful adaptation but, but at least it was going to be interesting. And I still would have liked to see an expensive, R-rated del Toro directed horror film starring Tom Cruise.

>>85704928
Tom Cruise waters everything down for his projects, wtf are you talking about it being good, it was gonna be another Mummy

>>85705005
The Mummy is an outlier in Cruise's filmography, he's usually very good at picking projects.

>>85705005
With the right director, he puts in good work. Collateral, Magnolia, his Spielberg stuff are pretty damn good. Pair him with a mediocre director, and you get generic and bland Tom Cruise (tm) brand films.

So I guess with del Toro, it could have gone either way.

>>85699500
t. squatamalan

>>85700407
>The architecture of moorish Spain shits on their Christian counterparts. Christ cucks basically lived in mud cuck sheds.
confirmed for troll never having been in spain

the christian architecture there is beatuiful and as for the muslim one:

The Alhambra: fucking beautiful place! No question there
the Alcázar: basically a copy of the alhambra, still beautiful

that's it for beautiful muslim architecture in spain. Thank god they came there and enlightened those brutish spaniards with no culture!

>>85702656

Watching Starship Troopers doesnt make you high brow.

>>85702656
so if i disagree with the politics of "the downfall" or better "the wave" (since they also make a point about the specific ideology there), but still liked the film, then i missed the point?

>>85696637
Its just stupid to make anyone the bad guys. Kingdom of Heaven is right about this BTW once Muslims and Christians got together and really hashed things out there was over 100 years of peace and its true that Christians had a crisis of faith that they did consider Muhammad might have been right and Islam had some interesting ideas about womens role in combat and some technological advancements like certain medicines and stuff like Coffee/Tea and architecture.

Muslims tried to conquer Europe though which caused Christians to dispel all notions of feeling kind toward them, had Islam just kinda spread slowly but surely into Europe it would have won but nooooo Caliphate needed its gold and slaves NOW.

So that's history.

>>85706776
>Christians to dispel all notions of feeling kind toward them
filthy heretics of the cult of Mahound deserve death

>>85706776
>crisis of faith that they did consider Muhammad might have been right and Islam had some interesting ideas about womens role in combat and some technological advancements like certain medicines and stuff like Coffee/Tea and architecture

this sounds like an authors insert from a textbook than actual historical fact.