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Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets

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>Budget: 210 million
>Worldwide box office: 30 million
What went so, so, so so so wrong?
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>>85681372

Their promotional art was made for ants
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nothing, their money-laundering scheme worked perfectly
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The first five or so minutes were great.
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Cara Delevingne has a huge penis
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>title is a name that means nothing to anyone (see John Carter for another example of this mistake)
>trailers that made it look like a boring CG-fest
>mediocre reviews
>no actors that anyone recognizes

Honestly, it would have been a miracle if it did well. This movie is essentially "How to Lose Millions of Dollars 101."
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is this a sequel to Jupiter Ascending?
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>>85681372
>No stars
>No recognizable IP
>Insanely high budget
>Underwhelming marketing campaign
>Jews don't play friendly with anyone trying to work in industries they've monopolized
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>>85681372
Poor casting
Poor trailers
Poor marketing
For months I thought the two leads were a brother and sister pair on vacation in space
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>>85681772
>For months I thought the two leads were a brother and sister pair on vacation in space
they're not?
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>>85681747
>No stars
>No recognizable IP
>Insanely high budget
>Underwhelming marketing campaign
exactly, so where did all the money go?
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>>85681811
No, apparently it's a famous Space Bond or Bourne or Bauer or something with a sexy Space Partner
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>>85681372
haven't seen the movie, but the movie trailers looked GREAT. i sincerely have no idea what plebs disliked about them.
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>>85681811

They're Time Cops. He's a modern guy and she's an 11th century peasant.

Not that you'd ever know that from anything they show you about this shit.
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>>85682015
seriously? well the promotional materials give fuck all information except that the movie will cause a headache from its visuals
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>>85681372
Will this kill Cara's leading role career?
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>>85681372
No seriously why did it cost that much?
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It would've made 3x as much if they put 'from the makers of Lucy' in the advertising
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>>85682464
>from the makers of this other turd that only made money only because Scarlett Johansson was in it, here's a movie with nobody you know
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Watching this abortion right now holy shit its bad
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>>85682464
they did
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>>85682293
We can only hope.
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>>85681551
Someone needs to shop some boners on her pics like right now
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>>85682293
nah, her daddy has money to burn and will keep buying roles for his little neanderthal
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>>85681372
what went wrong? they released it in the US first. it doesn't come out here for another ten days. hasn't come out in China yet, but of course AMERICA (stands to attention, salutes flag as everyone starts singing OH SAY CAN YEW SEE) is the centre of the universe, so if it hasn't made its money back in the first week in the LAND OF THE FREEE AN' TH' HOME OF THE BRAVE, then it never will. right?
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>>85682293
Never!
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>>85682960
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>>85682935
OBSESSED
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i think the name of a film is extremely important in regards to the advertisement of it

what is a valerian? is it a planet? is it a person? is it the boy, or the girl?
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>>85682293
hope so
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>>85681372
I knew this movie was going to flop. I knew it, the minute I saw it.
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>>85683284
No, is a flop
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>>85681372
>What went so, so, so so so wrong?
Originally I started typing things that are wrong with the film but the list is so ridiculously and painfully long that I gave up, deleted it all, and wrote this instead.
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just came back from seeing it. Cara was hot. Other than her it was a waste of time
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>>85681372
Its name wasn't Star Wars.
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>>85683757
Stop with this meme. She is not good looking. The fact that she's below average yet a 'model' is kind of insulting to other women
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>>85682935
>if it hasn't made its money back in the first week in the LAND OF THE FREEE AN' TH' HOME OF THE BRAVE

You seem to enjoy unnecessarily insulting all Americans. Does it surprise you that with the short attentions spans in the U.S., a film only has a few weeks to make its money? And the U.S. is one of the few markets where there are enough people with the disposable income to make money.

>then it never will. right?

I don't know what kind of dope you're smoking where you are but in all likelihood, the backers of this film are going to lose money.
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>>85684213
She's a model because she stands out from the crowd. The more ayylmao you look the better.
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it wasn't even about the city. I was expecting Zootopia mixed with Star Trek
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>>85684277
None of these women are wearing makeup though. Even when Cara's caked in it she looks like a goblin
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BRAVO LUC
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>>85681747
>No stars
>No recognizable IP
>insanely high budget

Irrelevant. Doesn't matter at all unless you're a stupid jew executive. The biggest blockbuster of all time was from a *gasp* UNRECOGNIZABLE IP WITH A *LITERALLY WHO* LEAD. UNTHINKABLE!
>Underwhelming marketing campaign
Valid point, marketing was bad and trailers put too much focus on visuals.
>Jews don't play friendly
Jews are tunnel visioned retards.
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>>85681372
Dane are you trying reverse psychology?
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>>85684277
>no heroin gf
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>>85681575
>title is a name that means nothing to anyone (see John Carter for another example of this mistake)
that's a pretty accurate desu. never heard of this shit, immediately forgot it existed when the trailer ended. didn't help that the trailer was s h i t
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>>85685695
People never heard of Star Wars when it came out either. The name Titanic makes you think of some boring period piece. Avatar's only immediate relation for the layman was some cartoon.

Name doesn't mean shit you stupid fucking pleb.

They could call it Count Dickingtons wild shitacular and it would make money if the marketing dept didn't drop the ball.
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>>85682015
honestly if i was a time traveler i'd probably get a peasant wife too.

though i'd try to get one that doesn't speak english like a retard.
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>>85684277
Adriana lima is the only actual good looking one on there
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>>85686414
Lara Stone has a nice rack.

Also you're a faggot.
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>>85682464
Wouldn't that make things worse?
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>>85686187
Nope, name is incredibly important. Everyone knows what Titanic is, it was a fateful night where the unsinkable ship actually sunk on its maiden voyage. Star Wars sounds fucking killer. What's a Valerian? Who cares? City of a thousand planets? That could be every neighborhood in LA put together, again, who cares.
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>>85685146
Star Wars just happened to be in the right place at the right time and quite literally defined the blockbuster concept. I can't think of any movies prior to it that had that level of special effects in that sort of action movie style. It didn't matter that the movie stared literal whos, people just wanted to go see some hollywood wizardry. Exactly same reason why people went to go see Avatar. Now, shoddy muh space adventure movies are a dime a dozen. Guardians of the Galaxy succeeds specifically because it is linked to an already established successful franchise, while everything else fails miserably.
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>>85681372

I never even heard of this movie until a week before release.

They did a really really shit job promoting it
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>>85681860
CGI
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>>85681575
this. literally john carter all over again. I saw absolutely no ads for it and when I heard the name I had no idea what it was supposed to mean. literally thought it was some medieval shit.
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>>85685146
>The biggest blockbuster of all time was from a *gasp* UNRECOGNIZABLE IP WITH A *LITERALLY WHO* LEAD. UNTHINKABLE!
what movie are you talking about?
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>>85686710
>who cares
That's literally what the trailers are for.

You're an idiot.
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>>85684213
>below average

makeup can do wonders to people just remember that
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>>85683284
it's a male name fucking burger retard
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imo the trailers were bad, the casting was bad, and there was no hook whatsoever. Who's even the lead? A model or literally who: the actor, maybe? Rihanna is more prominent in the promotion than what to expect story wise, but you know what sci-fi fans don't want? Pop stars making cameos for no reason. And I don't think I'm making much of a stretch when I tell you Rihanna fans aren't in for the high concept Mass Effect meets Star Wars angle this film was supposed to be (I think).

Basically it tried to appeal to everyone, but then inevitably appealed to hardly anyone.
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Every time I read John Carter my mind skips to the Get Carter remake and I'm thinking it's some gangster film instead of a sci-fi adventure or something.
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>>85687096
who the fuck even buys movie tickets to see Rihanna act anyway?
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>>85686414
>emily didonato isn't far and away the most gorgeous individual on the graph

kill yourself
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>>85686724
>>85686710
>the name of the movie is what makes it succeed guise

This is middle school writing level retarded. You could have just drooled on the screen and saved us the pain of reading your stupidity. IP and known actors are just things that minimize risk, they don't lead to success and this definitely didn't flop because of that. It flopped because the marketing was terrible and it was matched by equally bad word of mouth.
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Nobody outside of France has ever, ever heard of this story.

The adaptation of the story isn't very faithful.

Shit leads, both of them.

That said, as a massive fan of The Fifth Element the movie pleased me.
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>>85684264
>unnecessarily insulting all Americans
Impossible. All insults to Americans are absolutely necessary.
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>>85687214
>Nobody outside of France has ever, ever heard of this story.
Doesn't matter.

>The adaptation of the story isn't very faithful.
You just said no one knows what it's from but they all care how faithful it is? That's why it failed? That's asinine.
>Shit leads, both of them.
Relevant if you mean this contributed to poor audience reviews.
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>>85687214
>Nobody outside of France has ever, ever heard of this story.
American education.
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>>85687367
>implying some shit scifi book is edumacational

you probably think not reading harry potter is bad education too
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There was a Valerian anime made in 2007
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>>85687161

A Rihanna fan would, but not when the film is the antithesis of everything else they like. It just seems like a complete misfire to get her for whatever role that is, even if it's a space pop star, you could get another actress that would make 10x more sense.
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>>85687214
>as a massive fan of The Fifth Element the movie pleased me
it would.
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>>85681372
I saw this coming from a mile away. Every single movie like this ends up the same way. Random Sci fi movie with a nerdy sounding gay ass title from some old setting that no one remembers or care about with shitty second rate leads. See John Carter, Jupiter Ascending, and the Ender's Game movie for more of this exact thing.
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>>85687483
Ender's Game had an audience and Harrison Ford
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The fact that I haven't heard of this movie before this thread probably has something to do with what went wrong.
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>>85687214
>Nobody outside of France has ever, ever heard of this story.
Nobody outside of the US knew who Spiderman and Batman were either, and even today, those US comics are quite hard to find in Europe.

Shit won't just launch on its own, you gotta push that shit unlike it works, and it worked with the Smurfs, Asterix, XIII and Tintin among others.
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>>85687674
Lmao that's just not true, in fact I'm pretty sure Batman and Spiderman had/have the largest foreign market presence of any superheroes.
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>>85687404
Nah, but Valerian was pretty popular all over Europe until some time ago. There was also an anime recently, iirc.
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>>85681372
I still kinda want to see it desu.
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>>85687674
>Nobody outside of the US knew who Spiderman and Batman were either

that is the biggest ass pull i have ever seen
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>>85687674
>Nobody outside of the US knew who Spiderman and Batman were either

Spiderman and Batman both had their own TV shows in Japan. Hell, Japanese Spiderman was actually a pretty formative and influential series on the sentai genre.

also, Spiderman and Batman have complete and total media dominance and have for years. Even before Iron Man came out you could find Spiderman and Batman shit for sale in any store. Valerian, even in France, does not have that kind of media empire. It's just not comparable.
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>>85687674
Stupid ass argument. The very fucking names tell you exactly what to expect:

>Spiderman, thats probably a guy who can climb walls and do something with a web
>Batman, probably some guy who can fly and hangs out in the dark and is scary looking
>Valerian, some guy who can........................................
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>>85687590
I fucking love Ender's Game. I first read it as a kid, and when I read it again last year I still got choked up at the ending. But come on. Ender's Game does not have franchise-level fame. It's niche at best.

also
>Harrison Ford
>2013
lol
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>>85687629
Again. The marketing was shit.

These stupid ass plebs in this thread.

>hurr naem wuz gay
>durr no star power
>herp no one heard of the IP

These are all things execs do to minimize risk but these things contribute to attention and make the marketing team's job easier or irrelevant, lacking these won't mean failure. Word of mouth and good promotion to proper audiences is all this needed to make a profit and they dropped the ball.
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>>85687706
Fucking wrong. I've never heard of it.

t. eurocuck who reads sci fi books
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>>85687935
Maybe you fucking suck anon
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>>85687982
Nah Valerian just doesnt exist. Looks like garbage too.
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>>85681372

Not MCU.
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>>85687674
>french education
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>>85688064
Nah, you suck.
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>>85684277
wtf is going on with Kristy Kaurovas forehead? Most of these look like horses, but at least they dont have unibrow or a huge theeth gap
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>>85681372
Not a Mass Effect movie. But damn they tried, even took the sexiest curve in the world.
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They'd have to release it on a thousand planets to make it's budget back olololololololol
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>boring looking, generic, run of the mill sci-fi
>CGI shitfest #592374
>looked like Jupiter Ascending 2: Blue Alien Boogaloo
>the male looks like a 13 year old child, not an action hero
>the female looks like an alien without needing special effects or makeup
>absolutely nothing intriguing or enticing about either of them
>no idea what the plot was about
>only vibe I get from the trailer is that it really wants to be a marvel / star wars movie but pathetically has no hope
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>>85687754
>>85687769
>>85687818
>>85687702
>>85688145
You may realize I used the past: "knew". Yet you're acting like capeshit has been around forever. There's a start to everything, and that's how Valerian and Laureline start, just like Batman and Spiderman started between the 40s and 60s with corny TV series and shitty movies, and only picked up steam with cartoons in the early 90s, and a range of toys that did alright. This of course changed today, just like it could change for Valerian.

Still, when it comes to comics, capeshit is far after Spirou, Marsupilami, Boule et Bill, Titeuf, Thorgal, Lucky Luke, Worlds of Aldebaran, Gaston Lagaffe, Yoko Tsuno, Natacha, Blake and Mortimer, Spike and Suzy, Sillage, Nero, Corto Maltese, Il Signor Bonaventura, Rahan, Blacksad, Djinn, Suske en Wiske, Jommeke, and all the major nip mangas. No one really reads capeshit in Europe, fans are few and far between, and movies only work because of marketing.
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>>85688236
She alsways looks so pissed off. desu, I wouldn't watch this movie just because of her. The guy looks like young Leonardo DiCaprio.
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>>85684277

I would ejaculate and breed every single one of these harem. Some more than once.
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>>85688443
>capeshit is far after a bunch of random trash literally no one has ever heard of

How detached from reality are you weebfag?
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>>85681372
This thread made me realize that /tv/ is a board who criticize movies without watching them, like gossiping whores.
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>>85686303
And is all 'bout muh equality. Muh feminism! Muh Socialism!!
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>>85688486
>capeshit is far after a bunch of European comics literally no American has ever heard of

Ok.
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>>85688486
Are you european? Because if you aren't it's not surprising you never heard of it. But If you are an European then you're a fucking disgrace.
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>>85687161
which I found funny, because her performance was the strongest.
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>>85688537
another european here, never heard of it. it literally doesnt exist outside france. not a surprise though, it looks like garbage
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>>85687590
And if you read the books, it was garbage.
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>>85688579
Ok I may have to paddle back a bit, I'm from Switzerland so it's possible we have more connection to belgian/french comic scene than the rest of europe. But it's definitely a thing in Italy, Spain and Germany.
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I enjoyed it a lot. I'd see it again.
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>>85688492
Is this your first /tv/ thread then?

For some reason, americans are obsessed with box office numbers. They don't care about anything else anymore.
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>>85688596
Nobody cares what you think anon
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>>85683284
it's not capeshit, is what it isn't.
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>>85688679
>For some reason, americans are obsessed with box office numbers. They don't care about anything else anymore.
Contrary to some other contrarian boards that hate everything that's mainstream, and praise everything obscure everyone hates, like /v/, /g/ or /mu/, /tv/ likes to follow the crowd and only likes whatever is financially successful.

Not that I'd defend the vision of those other boards, but still I think many people on /tv/ would be better off on /biz/ if profit is so important to them.
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>>85688710
Burgers struggle with heroes not named after their superpowers. See how I called them "Burgers", otherwise they wouldn't know I'm talking about them.
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>>85688878
>Aquaman
>Fastman
>Cyborgnigga
>Wonderful woman
>Rich Fella
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>>85688708
Yea right, like you know everything everyone cares about.
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>>85687702
>>85687754
>>85687769
>>85688145
Nobody ever read a single comic book in Russia but Burton's Batman became super famous. Same for any other cape hero except superman who is, well, famous but nobody cares about him.
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>>85689477
Russia isn't the world's cultural hegemon.
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>>85686930
I'm guessing either avatar or the first star wars (converted to present day dollars or something idk)
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>>85681372
It's 60 million and it hasn't been released in every country yet.
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>>85684598
>french movie
>domestic (for the US)

Hmmm... there's a problem here.
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>>85684277
First on the third row is a legit ayyy
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>movie staring kara
>"wut went wrong?!?!"
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>>85688238
kek
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>$180m budget indie flick

what the fuck did the french mean by this
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>>85687161
Thirsty ass niggas, anon
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>>85684213
>she is not good looking
I agree, but I'm surprised that other people are saying this, especially on 4chan.
>young
>white
>short
>flat chested
Isn't that you guy's dream combo? Maybe I'm just too used to /pol/ or /r9k/'s ideal-girl posts...
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>>85684106
>Its name wasn't Star Wars.
No, but George Lucas is a hack. Americans are quite familiar with Valerian, they just don't know.
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>>85690851
That is blatantly a rip off..
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>>85683757
>>85684213
I've taken photos of her for a tabloid. Can confirm she is pretty average looking IRL.
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>>85681372
Virtually no advertisting.
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>>85687363
I literally won't see the movie because they put a fucking model that can't act as a lead.
I'm fucking tired of this manface buying her way into movies.
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>>85690851
>they just don't know.
And they never will!
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>>85681372
Bombed like A Cure for Wellness; saw that first day and there was like 4 people in there. lmao
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>>85681372
I went in hoping for a lot of aliens doing stuff.
I was disappointed because it had a little bit at the beginning, but it wasn't the main point.

They should have just called it Valerian and Laureline, I didn't even know what her name was the whole time watching it.
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>>85691884
movies like that are designed to make money on svod
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>>85690851
Han in carbonite is the only one that's a likely rip-off. Spaceships and burn victims are hardly concepts that originated in Valerian.
And, I highly doubt Lucas actually read Valerian. His concept designers on the other hand. Fuck, Lucas didn't design Wattoo himself.
Everything else is circumstantial at best. And honestly, Star Wars has a weird development process. Basically the concept designers go crazy with shit like Anakin's ghost shit and then the director comes into their offices and gets inspiration. Abrams and Kasdan did the same thing. Cherry picked shit the liked.
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>Unknown IP
>Unknown leads.
>shitty name

All of these are terrible excuses. It's simple really. The story sucked.
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>>85682015
In the movie her background isn't mentioned
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>>85682440
Pretty cool CGI.
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>>85687706
It most definitely wasn't. Most of Europe knows stuff like Tintin and Asterix and Obelix, with the comics fans also buying Milo Manara's works and the like. Very few people have heard of Valerian outside of France/Switzerland, though.
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the fuck does IP mean in this context?
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>>85694066
Intergalactic Police
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>>85688443
hey, stupid hick, i read more than half of those as a kid in socialist Romania, just because you had to be entertained with jewish crap that doesn't mean we have been as unlucky as you
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Blatant ripoff of mass effect lol how did they get away with it
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>>85694413
sorry , my mistake, it's for >>85688486
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>>85688443
>Suske en Wiske
>NERO
Flemish guy please, I agree belgian and french comics are by far the best but nobody outside the BENELUX likes Suske en Wiske and the flemish are the only ones who like Nero because that stuff is just slap-stick with the ocassional local-oriented political comedy

Thorgal is absolutely based though and fucking hell they should make a big budget Thorgal movie
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>>85686414
t. porn damaged brainlet
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>>85681372
So they took a french comic IP, removed all the art and charm to it and just made it into muh carbon fiber armors lazors?
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>>85682015
If they billed the movie like that I would have been interested. The current title makes no sense, the adverts made it seem like a generic sci-fi CGI space adventure.
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>>85689948
Wat. I said it's not necessary for viewers to know some obscure sources to be attracted to the cinema.
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>>85681372
French crap, everybody hates France.
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>>85681372
>The Emoji Movie will actually make money while this loses money
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How can one girl be this perfect, bros?
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>>85686710
You're talking sense, don't listen to the niggers
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It literally made back everything it cost to make before it even opened
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>>85681372
This movie should have been right up my alley. I love space shit but this turned me off immediately just from the two main characters. I honestly thought it was another young adult novel adaptation and the leads looked 17, even though the dude is 30.
Plus the CGI looked like CGI. Yeah, there were lots of lights and pretty colors but that doesn't immerse me in the film it pulls me out.
It also had the worst marketing ever.
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>>85692764
>Everything else is circumstantial at best
Not really. It's not just a couple references to obscure stuff in the background, it's all the major elements being straight up ripped off in pretty much the same order. Laureline is indeed dressed up like a whore and held by a large alien while Valerian is stuck in carbonite, and the bad guy wearing the mask is the same one with his face fucked up. And that's only a couple things, there's so much more.

When the authors first watched Star Wars in 1977, they were baffled by how much was taken from their comics. And so were the fans. It's just that obvious, and even Valerian is just one scifi comic series among countless others, some more successful, and the others didn't feel ripped off at all. Seems quite focused to me.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWCEzfXCaU

mandatory
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>>85681372
They have been advertising this on the kids channels for months. I had absolutely no interest in this movie because its a "2 kids save the world" movie. Kinda like Shark Boy and Lava Girl, but with an unlimited budget.

I have no interest in seeing this movie. Neither did anyone else apparently.
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>>85684277
>jac
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>>85684277
Models sure were hotter back in the day
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>>85696555
There were always uggos posing as exotic beauty in the fashion world.
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>>85682464
>3x as much
Still below budget's amount.
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>>85684277

Are Megamind tier foreheads in now?
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>>85683284
>valerian
a plant.
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>>85682935
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>>85696914
>doing literally anything
Fucking Americans, I swear
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>>85696555
Is it just me or did people not used to look healthier?
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>>85695036
Coke whore.
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>>85697265
dat fridge body tho
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>>85696914
I see considerably more anti-euro threads than anti-American my chubby friend
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>>85686187
>The name Titanic makes you think of some boring period piece. Avatar's only immediate relation for the layman was some cartoon.
That's the thing though, big part of what sold Avatar was it did have a big name attached, it just wasn't an actor. Everybody knows James Cameron puts together big impressive, crowdpleaser movies. He's been doing that for decades, he's bankable.

Also, they had a huge marketing campaign. This had... I dunno. I think the only ad for it I ever saw was on here.
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>>85696914
>>85697424
Hold the phone! There are now assholes on BOTH sides of the Atlantic! Somebody call the papers.
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>>85695036
It's the eye brows.
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>>85681372
We can talk about this a million times about what makes this bad, or what caused it to flop.

But the biggest problem that could have been prevented was the casting.
Dane and Cara do not fit their roles in both looks, and more importantly in likeability.
They're both very uncharismatic, which pairs poorly with the witty dialogue and romance in the movie.
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>>85682935
>they released it in the US first
Why not just release every movie at the same day all across the world?
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This just looked like shit. Honestly how many good movies has Besson made?
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>>85681372

never heard about this movie or the material it is based on, until i saw the trailer 2 weeks ago.

It'll obviously tank.

>womyn is stronk men is weak.
>nauseating cgi.
>is there even a plot?
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>>85699671
Each country has a specific day of the week where new movies release. In France, it's wednesday, in the US, it's friday. Same thing with DVD/Bluray releases, tuesday in the US, surely some other day in France.

>>85699858
>Honestly how many good movies has Besson made?
Nikita, Subway, 5th Element, The Big Blue, Leon. A few. Everything else was pretty disappointing. It's either a big miss, a big miss, or misunderstood.
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>>85688443
who?
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