Why does Captain America hate democracy?

>>85636613
nrd

>>85636623
Get off your high horse. You're on an imageboard site first intended to discuss Japanese otaku interests.

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>>85636613
>Cavills hairline

>>85636669
You do realize that Evans has hairplugs right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2001604/Is-Captain-America-going-bald-Chris-Evans-reveals-Im-losing-hair.html

>>85636613
Hopeman sounds like a cuck

>>85636613
>Superman broods forever, then rather than attempt to prove his own innocence, he surrenders himself to court to drag along the movie's god-awful and overly convoluted plot forward with a terrorist attack that he's too incompetent to see coming.

>Captain America gets shit done.

>>85636699
Yeah and he doesn't haven't a receding hairline.

>>85636896

Cap get what done, exactly?

>cap thinks he's right
>is right

What's the problem?

>>85636932
Cap gets shit right.

>>85636613
Cap was against the people who wanted to nuke NYC in the first Avengers. I have no problem with that.

>>85636932
Destroyed Hydra, beat the fuck out of Tony 'Muh dead parents' Stark

>>85636949
The problem with being right once doesn't mean you are right the 100th time. Laws exist to contain these people from doing the wrong things. Cap America is not Jesus.

>>85636995
Tony was right. The Avengers should've been shut down after Ultron. It's funny just how little repercussions they faced for that. They walked away with some quips in hand. Especially Cap America who should've arrested Tony for it but I guess crimes are fine if it's your pals doing it.

>zola reveals how he's basically been a puppet all his life
>doesn't want to be a bitch anymore instead does what he thinks is right

Can't help but feel a little bias from OP.

>>85637066
>They faced.
Tony made Ultron, against everyone else's wishes, even Banner. Why the hell would anyone else in the Avengers be at fault for Tony's massive ego and insecurities?

>>85637066
>Tony was right. The Avengers should've been shut down after Ultron
Which was entirely Tony's fault

>>85637069
There's a difference between being a bitch and obeying basic international law. He basically wants a free card to do whatever the fuck he likes with no repercussions whatsoever. Their very presence has done more harm than good to their world.

>>85636613
He's Captain AMERICA not Captain Eurocuck NWO bitch boy. Fuck the UN. MANIFEST FUCKING DESTINY PUSSY

>Iron Man is "do it by the books", lawful good guy..
>Captain America is the individualist, starry-eyed idealist.

Did Marvel intentionally switch the two characters' personas - to throw comicfags off?

>>85637096
>>85637089
And Tony recognizes that and realizes it's too easy for them to create world ending devices and get away with it. Tony and by extension the Avengers walked away scotch free from that one. How the fuck is that reasonable? Cap America wants to ignore everything that makes a democracy function because his ego demands him to save poor people.

>>85636699
did you read that article? it was fucking shit and he's not admitted to losing anything.

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>>85637115
But seriously, Captain America is probably a cucked civic nationalist.

>>85637124
I have no idea what was up with that. It should've been Tony refusing to sign the papers given his libertarian identity. But then again maybe the guilty of Ultron weighed him down. Either way, he's the only reasonable person in Civil War. The others switch sides and motives pretty much based on who in the room they are with.

>>85636699
Lol

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>>85637150
Yeah bro I'm sure all that hair magically regrew itself.

>>85637024
>Government working to take away right to privacy of avengers is not against law

>>85637153
Captain America is straight from the 20's. He's as wholesome apple pie isolationist nationalist for the Republic for which it stands as it comes.

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Meanwhile...

>Superman is an angsty, miserable prick who lacks any of the charm and inspirational qualities he's possessed since his creation
>Cap is a warm, good natured, moral guy trying to do the right thing

>>85637066
>make a super intelligent ai that fucks you over
>blame everybody else
is iron man autistic?

>>85636613
Because America is not a democracy, or at least so I am told.

>>85637231
That's not what they were doing though. RIght of privacy is one thing, the right to do whatever the fuck you want in foreign countries is a completely different thing. Even the fucking Superman only intervened when they had his girlfriend and it was already a spot that was going to be droned to oblivion by Americans. His presence resulted in less deaths than say the Avengers going full retard in Africa.

>>85637124
No they changed because of their experiences, in their original movies it's the opposite

He has good reasons for not signing the accords. Then he goes rogue to save Bucky who was being set up.

>>85637267

He was literally shaking because an educated dindu got killed and tried to group his teammates into his guilt

>>85637267
He doesn't blame anyone else. He realizes Avengers as an organization is truly flawed when he can create sometihng like Ultron and get away with it because they're the cool superheroes everyone wants to be. The hypocrite here is Cap America who is seemingly fine with crimes if it's his good pals doing them.

>>85636613
The way they did the civil war story in the movies does make cap look like an asshole but in the comic he's very much in the right

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>>85637262
DELETE THIS. REDACT THIS. CHANGE IT TO SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT AMERICA BEING A NATION OF IMMIGRANTS (even though it was of European, educated migrants - not berrypicking Mexicans).

>>85637162
>>85637277
Captain America becomes like that because of hydra shield, Stark obeys the government because he feels guilty of casualties.

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Why did they even fight in the airport if they weren't really willing to hurt each other? Should've just had a Civil Discussion instead.

>>85637340
>Superman realizes that in order to save Bruce the two of them must have a mother with the same name.
What a fucking joke BvS was.

>>85637406
M-my mom has the same name. Bro...

We cool, brah?

BRAVO

>>85637406
>pleb doesn't realize the fourth act in BvS is in Bruce's figurative mind
Why do you think he throws Superman down the dark pit he also fell in as a child? Why do you think we get to see the mask from Bruce's face removed? Superman is in his fucking mind. It's storytelling conveyed through visuals. It's a bit above your level.

>>85637124
captain america has never been by the books, he's always been the idealist representation of a country. the by the books boyscout is just what people assume who don't read comics.

he looks like a square and waves a flag he must be some republican good boy. when he's an artist soft heart, with a kick nazi teeth in twist.


ironman was always a playboy asshole, who wanted to use his wealth to help people, but in the early books he kind of did it for kicks, like daredevil.


modern ironman acts aloof and cool because rdj gave him that i'm funny and reckless attitude. but he only doesn't follow the rules because he's never had to, he's a super rich powerful man. he was in charge, to a point he is the system. he never had to be against it because they're his friends and he dealt with them in the past. (not to say he hasn't been against gov. in comics)

even then, it's made clear, civil war isn't a hard movie to understand, cap was right, ironman was trying to atone for his numerous fuck ups. cap had 1 mission slip up, which wasn't even that big a fucking deal big picture (a terrorist blew up a bomb, it didn't matter if in the building or on the ground floor people where going to die) they saved the most lives and did their job. the gov and ironman use this moment to try to take control of the avengers. it was a power play, we later learn was set in motion by third parties. so no matter what, either hydra or baron zemo were going to force everyone's hands and kill people and take weapons. ironman and the govenments plan was lets kill bucky and sit around and wait. cap's plan was lets not kill bucks solve the case and save the world before it gets worse.

>>85636613
Cap is the American lolbertarian fantasy personified .

>>85637463
I thought that was Iron Man? Cap America is supposed to be a spiritual conservative.

>>85637300
because if they don't the world ends. if regular people don't follow laws they just do bad things.

>>85637504
Yeah imagine if they just followed laws before they made Ultron.

Oh damn, an entire potentially world ending crisis averted. It's not like the UN won't go tell them to go fuck Thanos up when he arrives.

>>85637438
>Their mom's names are the same, this concept is so well above you ability to critique this shitty summer blockbuster!
You would think that with Olympic level mental gymnastics like this you'd be a lot smarter.

>>85637462
>cap had 1 mission slip up, which wasn't even that big a fucking deal big picture (a terrorist blew up a bomb, it didn't matter if in the building or on the ground floor people where going to die) they saved the most lives and did their job. the gov and ironman use this moment to try to take control of the avengers. it was a power play, we later learn was set in motion by third parties.
This is pretty much the first part of BvS aswell. I'm guessing WB had some major script leaks to Disney when they made this because holy shit do they have too much in common to be a coincidence.

>>85637517
everyone told tony to not make ultron or vision

it was a terrible idea and at the end he's the only one who doesn't really get in trouble for it.
yet blames everyone who isn't him.
he's the biggest threat to the marvel u.

>capeshit

>>85636613
>UN
>Democracy
Nice meme. You didn't vote for the UN .

>>85637593
Thing is that everyone knows Tony did it yet nobody seems to care afterwards. Why isn't Cap America arresting Tony? He obviously stepped out of line and almost destroyed the whole world. If it was another guy "accidently" creating Ultron, don't you think Cap America would've arrested the fuck out of him?

Iron Man is the only one to realize this hypocrisy in the Avengers. He's the only one that realizes he stepped out of bounds and there was absolutely nobody there to stop or punish him for it.

>>85637340
>Shit movie that doesn't explain how Lex can access Kryptonian technology or how he plans to deal with Doomsday
>Doesn't even show Doomsday's end
>Trying to show Doomsday as indestructible baddie when Diana can casually hurt and withstand him.

>>85637581
yeah, both movies really had a lot to parallel. like two bands given the same song to record.

except one was modern metallica and the other was disturbed. dc is disturbed and that's not a compliment.

>>85637636
>Shit movie that doesn't explain how Lex can access Kryptonian technology
Zod's fingerprints

>or how he plans to deal with Doomsday
He was communicating with Steppenwolf, potentially Darkseid himself.

>Doesn't even show Doomsday's end
What?

>when Diana can casually hurt and withstand him.
Diana used her magical arm bracers and even then was thrown several feet backwards. Whenever she injured Doomsday, she only made him stronger. In fact, Wonder Woman is why Doomsday received his sharp arm.

I hope you took this post as a lesson to actually watch your films next time before whining about them.

>>85637484
Iron man is the corrupt private military complex
Cap is a no step on Snek, anti big government lolbertarian

>>85637648
Nah CW would've been atleast decent but the CGI airport fight is 30 minutes of complete retardation and a useless Spidey cameo that the story forgets about in the third act. The most laughable thing about the airport fight is that it's obvious that no side was really willing to hurt the other side. But it had to happen anyways because WB was making a movie where Superman and Batman are fighting.

>>85636613
Captain America doesn't hate democracy, he has a severe distrust of government and authority, which is reasonable considering his past experiences. He is also 'only' superhuman, whereas Superman is akin to a God. Cap has no reset button - in Winter Soldier, imagine if the helicarriers had gotten into the air. Then what? Superman could've effortlessly absorbed all the fire, destroyed the carriers and tossed them into space. If Cap had been a good boy and obeyed authorities like SHIELD then the entire world would have become irrevocably enslaved.

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Cap is a cute

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>>85637722
You are forgetting Captain America leads a team where there is a Superman equivalent ready to them.

>>85637634
you have a great point, why didn't cap arrest him setting in motion civil war? (in a different way)

i think the only answer is because tony does what he's always done he spins 90 % of the public in his favor by being flashy and throwing money. he seems like he's the one that cares and gets away with being a shit human. but behind closed doors when he's alone he feels terrible and regrets everything, but as soon as a second person enters the room he blame shifts and goes back to being a shit human.

if he realized the hypocrisy he'd turn himself in and let the others go. instead he positioned himself to be the only one at the end who wasn't incarcerated and not guilty by the law or public...again. but all the hard working heroes who did the heavy lifting get the blame...again.

yet he's the hero, because he threw money at hard working heroes with no money (spidey)...again.

>>85637681
>>Shit movie that doesn't explain how Lex can access Kryptonian technology
>Zod's fingerprints
>>or how he plans to deal with Doomsday
>He was communicating with Steppenwolf, potentially Darkseid himself.

i think this was only in the extended cut.

>>85637681
Convenient that they removed most of these parts from the actual movie..

>Zod's fingerprints
Still doesn't justify him knowing anything about Kryptonian history.

>Potentially Darkseid himself
And why does he serve him? Even more unexplainable than Doomsday.

>What?
We just know he's floating somewhere in space.

>>85637719
my point still stands

>>85637788
But he doesn't control Vision or whatshisname. He can't reliably know that in the event of a disaster it would set things 'right', since his and its idea of right differs so much. I can't remember Vision doing anything in Civil War but babysitting Wanda and being as useless as the rest during the airport fight. If he's so powerful and perfect, how come he didn't prevent the Sokovian's plot?

>>85637788
thanks doesn't do anything useful man. being pensive in sweaters and hitting on the little girl sure is useful. unless you mean crippling your own team mate, then he's stellar.

>>85637858
>Still doesn't justify him knowing anything about Kryptonian history.
What the fuck? He uses Zod's fingerprints to activate the AI. And then he enters the Kryptonian archives through the AI. Do you want to see how Lex takes his shits aswell?

>And why does he serve him?
Look at the prison scene. Lex is in complete awe and admiration of this great power outside coming to Earth. He probably reasoned that it's better to be alive and obedient than dead.

Why is Doomsday grave so important to you? It would serve no point to the narrative but fill in your autism checklist box.

>>85637868
>If he's so powerful and perfect, how come he didn't prevent the Sokovian's plot?
Well like Superman he's not all knowing.

>>85636613

>created to be a super soldier
>sidelined and used as a pr venture instead of being allowed to fight

>bought into a team that is meant to protect the earth
>not allowed to protect the earth and gets told he can't save new york 'cos it's nuking time

>resurrected by an organisation that immediately lies to him
>oh incidentally that organisation is run by nazis who want to rule the world

>tells stark not to mess with things he doesn't understand, stark does it any way
>has to break the rules to save an entire country (if not the world) from the consequences of stark's douchebaggery

>friend is marked for extra-judicial killing even though he's not legally responsible for what he did
>still tries to bring him in with minimal casualties

It's almost like his entire character arc is pitting what he's ordered to do against what is right to do or something.

Cap has plenty of respect for the law and democracy, but balances that against doing what is right. He is what America used to imagine itself as, but never was; someone guided more by morals than self-interest or law.

Pretty sure Supes was supposed to represent scary immigints and how the general public has mixed emotions about them.
Cap'n is probably s'posed to be the sjw's defending scary immigints.
And the whole of CW was disapointing in that it was a handful of hero's slap fighting each other when it should've been hero's and their arch-enemies coming together to beat the shit out and super powering each others asses for 2 and a half hours.
How long till they New 52 this shit. Deck needs a reshuffling.
MULLIGAN!!!!

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superman is the most human superhero

>>85637934
Or capable to set things right. Did he do anything but babysit Wanda throughout the entire movie?

>>85637921
>Kryptonian archive
>understandable by a human, English all

>shits as well
I'm not the one who watched the extended piss edition so no

>Doomsday grave
Because he's supposed to be indestructible yet throwing him into space is supposed to do the job.

>>85637970
Why doesn't Cap let Tony and the Avengers suffer the consequences for Ultron? Why are they allowed to let that one slide under the rug? Because Tony is a charming guy?

Cap America is a hypocrite. His way of dishing out justice is biased as fuck and completely based on his personal emotional state towards that person. He is supposed to be the leader of the Avengers yet he does nothing when his own men break orders and create dangerous weapons. And he still has the balls in CW to say that the Avengers shouldn't operate under international law. Hey you fucking idiot your best pal almost killed all of us and walked away with zero punishment. Why the fuck would any competent statesperson allow you to pull that shit again?

>>85637431
Youre letting them kill martha find her save martha what does that mean why did you say that name flashback to when his parents were gunned down his fathers last words were martha its his mothers nam lex wanted your life for hers I'll make you a promise martha won't die tonight bruce batman redeems himself in saving martha clarks mom doing what he never could for his own mother why is this so difficult to understand

>>85638076
is your step dad in the military?

why are you mad at cap to the point where you keep trying to spin it on him?

>>85636613
Based Captain America

>>85638108
I'm saying he's completely blind to just how dangerous his own team is because he operates on the belief that he is right no matter what. And then he doesn't even realize every villain they fought believes that of themselves too.

Cap America is supposed to be a leader yet he does nothing to punish Tony for Ultron and he still expects the world to be fine with this. Fuck him.

>>85636613
hated break bad news - captain america and batman does not real

>>85637824
Zod's fingerprints was definitely in the theatrical cut. I've never watched the extended cut, and I remember Lex using cryptonite to cut Zod's hand, or maybe it was just his skin.

>>85636613
In the old days, you would've wrote this yourself instead of getting screencaps from your phone. Fuck you for ruining this site with poorly made threads.

>>85638296
I made it you fucking faggot.

>>85638296
Would have WRITTEN.

>>85636896
To be fair civil war was a terrible movie so can't really blame caps character for everything

>>85637250

He fought against Hitler so that means he is automatically bluepilled

A Republic, not a Democracy.

>>85638595
A democratic republic.

>>85638076

>Why doesn't Cap let Tony and the Avengers suffer the consequences for Ultron?

He's willing to accept consequences. He just thinks the Sokovian Accords are bullshit because they will prevent the Avengers from acting when they need to.

Sokovia was over-run by HYDRA and as a sovereign nation was refusing the Avengers the right to come in and fight Ultron, much less accept a SHIELD Helicarrier that we saw evacuating civilian lives.

Tony also *does* suffer the consequences for Ultron. He's the fucking poster child for the Sokovian Accords and wants to ram them down everyone else's throats to try and absolve himself of his failure.

All of which you would know if you'd watched the movies instead of jacked off to the thought of triggering Marvel vs DC, round eight billion and seventy-five here on /tv/.

>>85638145

He's not blind to it. He just doesn't think that letting the dude who fucked up a city while trying to catch the Hulk and who wants to weaponise the Avengers is the right choice to oversee them.

If he bows to the Accords, he can only go where and when they allow him to go. He was able to save NY, stop Hydra, and save Sokovia by knowing where and when to break the rules in the name of the greater good. If he'd fucked up at any point you might have an argument, but he hasn't.

The absolute worst you can say is that he interfered with Bucky's arrest, but if he *hadn't* gone in, Bucky would have slaughtered the unit sent after him and still be at large, so it was still a better play and ultimately lead to shutting down Zemo.

>>85638338
Wrote.

>>85636613
Because he's a based republican.

>>85638624
:p

And Cap is standing up for his PRINCIPLES!

Seventeenseventysix will commence again if you try to take our firearms!

Cap America operates on the basis that he's right no matter what.

Superman operates on the basis that he knows he's right but it doesn't matter if the people stop thinking so.

BvS takes it one step further really.

>>85638624
They are real I've seen them at comic-con

>>85638983

He literally says in Civil War that they may not always be right, but that they have a better insight and track record than the government and military which consistently fucks up when facing world-class threats.

Confirmed for not watching the movies.

>>85639097
Yes exactly what I'm saying. Cap America thinks he's naturally better than everyone else.

>>85636613
>limiting personal freedoms because (((UN))) wants it.

>>85636613
Because he's a libertarian, you moron.

>>85639172
No that's Iron Man.

It's ok even the Russos got the two mixed up.

You guys are right, /tv/ certainly is a place that would agree with the UN and the EU :^)

Cap was in the right since it's his film. Stark is the bad guy

>>85639260
Does /tv/ go around with a stick up their asses talking about what righteous and good people they are?

Cap is up his own ass all the time talking about morals yet he doesn't even realize he just has a massive ego considering himself inherently right all the time.

>>85639109

>naturally better than everyone else

No. What he's saying is that he has a different perspective and places human life above political considerations.

He was willing to put himself on the line for going into Sokovia or tearing down SHIELD to leave HYDRA nowhere to hide because they were the right things to do- the things that he knew *everyone* observing it would know were right, but would opt to do other things instead of because those were the hard options.

If someone else was making the hard calls the right way he'd follow them. If the Accords were about something other than weaponising superhumans, he'd be willing to abide by them. If someone with moral authority was speaking, he'd listen to them.

Instead it's all Thunderbolt Ross, maximum civilian casualties, HYDRA-compromised assets, and idiots who want to try and take a killing machine prisoner by escalating immediately to lethal force without evacuating the area first.

>>85639260
we are legion buddy :^)

>>85639323

>guys i haven't watched the movies
>but i hate them because they're successful and popular
>therefore the main characters must be shitlords
>all hail my logic and deductive reasoning

How long before you turn into a chicken with a speech impediment and start yelling KEK! at the top of your voice?

>>85639364
Are you having a stroke there buddy?

>>85636613
Democracy is a meme.

>>85637130
Literally nobody but Tony is ever going to be catastrophically irresponsible enough to do shit like make Ultron. Cap does not do shit like that. If Tony is feeling bad about a lack of consequences, he should throw himself in a jail cell instead of handing all his friends who LITERALLY did nothing wrong to becoming government stooges (which has been repeatedly shown to be infested by Hydra). Tony is so wrong, objectively, in Civil War that he himself admits how wrong his side is when he breaks his own fucking rules to chase Cap and Bucky to Russia at the end of the film.

>>85637406
>Batman stop, he has my mother!
>vs: MARTHA!!! WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT NAME?????
Why is Snyder incapable of writing good dialogue?

>>85639487
>Literally nobody but Tony is ever going to be catastrophically irresponsible enough to do shit like make Ultron
What about the green big angry guy that would've never been contained if not for Tony's gears?

What about the girl that can enter people's minds and is shown herself as very emotionally unstable and fucking worked with Ultron until just recently?

Half the fucking Avengers are walking nukes. Cap is delusional to run from responsibility when the world calls for their restriction. Even if they're wrong, he should at the very least respect the democratic process and fucking admit that even the Avengers have limitations they must respect.

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In the magical world of the MCU, Cap America is always right no matter what so he can just go tell everyone else to fuck off because he is always right as the script demands.

In BvS, Superman must struggle with the idea that even if his intentions and actions are good, they are creating consequences far beyond his control and he must navigate in that complex world where a good action does not necessarily mean a good result. He seeks council from numerous people, going so far as to reminiscence his father's words when he feels the most lonely. Does the world even need a Superman?

The BvS world is so much more complex and realistic it's not even funny. It's like it's five steps ahead of Civil War and what CW assumes is absolute certainty, BvS instead adresses as flawed. No system is without flaws. No man is perfect. There is more to that interplay of systems and people than just who is absolutely wrong or right.

>>85636613
>America
>democracy

Why are the plots of BvS and CW so similar? Did no one at WB think someone is leaking their story?

>>85636932
Destroying an airport in a foreign country fighting enemies that they created

>>85639555
Hulk was off being a dindu in India until Shield forced him to come back to the world. He's not even a member of the Avengers anymore, he quit. He's no longer relevant to the discussion of Avengers members who need babysitting.

>Wanda worked for Ultron
Which is, again, all Tony's fault. Before that they joined HYDRA solely because Tony's weapons were wreaking havoc in their country (also Tony's fault) and HYDRA were the only ones strong enough to bring peace.

None of the Avengers need holding a leash besides Tony. None of them have even done anything that warrants regulation, besides Tony. The government in the MCU has literally never ever been shown to be worthy of regulating anyone, in the first place. They're hopelessly incompetent at best, and at worst a front for HYDRA. Tony trying to force this on others instead of accepting jail time or stepping down as leader of the Avengers is classic projection: "I might be addicted to making bad desicions, but that doesn't make me a bad person because EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST AS BAD AS ME !! RIGHT ?? "

>>85637621
The Accords were probably drafted by the Security Council, 80% of which is democratic. Even then China's government is more democratic than one man.

>>85639678
It's posts like these that make me realize that people who like BvS are just delusional idiots.

>>85639555

For the umpteenth time, Cap is not adverse to oversight and limitations. He's just against the Sokovian Accords.

Just from what we see in the movie, they would have prevented him from going after Crossbones at all (so whoever Crossbones was working for would have a bioweapon, GG guys) and in the event of another Sokovia situation would have been forced to twiddle his thumbs at the border while Ultron dropped an entire country from the upper atmosphere with the intent to wipe out all life on Earth.

The last two times he was willing to give the UN ultimate power over him it turned out they wanted to nuke NYC and that HYDRA was fucking everywhere. Thunderbolt Ross is hardly an improvement.

And that's just from what we see in the movies. If you watch Agents of SHIELD, you see that super-humans, even ones who barely even have any powers worth speaking of, get to choose between becoming living weapons, being locked up and quietly experimented on at government black sites, or being placed under 24/7 surveilance by armed observers with orders to shoot to kill if they so much as look like they might do something Ross isn't happy about. We can safely assume Cap knows about the "soldier or surveillance" provisions and probably suspects the third option as well given what he's seen of SHIELD so far.

The Accords are a complete and utter shit burger. At least Cap has the balls to refuse to sign it outright instead of Stark's "just sign now, amend it into whatever artistic pretzels you like later" line.

>>85639854
Good argument.

Why is Batman so murder happy in BvS?

>>85639725

Superhero relationship dramas are a thing that happens all the time in the team-up (or team-based, like X-Men) comics.

Besides, BvS wrapped later than CW. If anyone was going to copy anyone else, it would have been DC aping Marvel.

>>85636613
Talk about biased

>>85639920

Because unlike Cap, he respects democracy and the rule of law.

>>85639921
BvS was delayed though. It was in production far longer than CW. CW is the result of Kevin Feige looking at the BvS teaser and realizing he needs to counter that big time so he goes and tells Russos to make a script that matches the teaser 1:1.

There are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence. It's corporate espionage and sabotage.

>>85639920
Well why do you think he refrained himself from branding Lex at the end?

>>85636699
Fucking kek.

>>85639972
That branding shit was so stupid, it made me giggle at how pointlessly edgy they were trying to make Batman when I saw the movie for the first time.

>>85639956

>i am so desperate to explain bvs being a snyder shitshow i will accuse the studio with a track record of success copying his failures

Whatever blows your hair back, mang.

>>85639678
>complex and realistic
Give me a fucking break. BvS has such fucking terrible writing, dear god, please get some taste.

>>85639894
When you try to act like capeshit, especially BvS, is some kind of misunderstood masterpiece, no one is going to bother arguing with you, because you're retarded.

>>85640021
Yeah man it's totally a coincidence that Marvel just when DC announces their BvS decides to rush Civil War into production with a script that reads like someone plagiarized Terrio.

>>85640025
Still no fucking arguments at all. Keep up with the insults. You're still a fucking retard.

>>85640050
>Still no fucking arguments at all

>>85640025
>no one is going to bother arguing with you, because you're retarded.

>>85639725
Marvel and DC copied each other for decades why wouldn't they still do it

>>85636613
More like Captain Somalia.

>>85636613
Top
Superior film

Below
iPhone digital with zero color correction

>>85640034

Keep dreaming, DKek. The similarities are only broad and Marvel did it better. So much so that DC shat themselves and moved the opening for theirs so they wouldn't have to run against what they knew was going to be a juggernaut.

>>85640623
DC probably didn't expect Disney would be so hostile towards BvS. They learned their lesson eventually, having Wonder Woman steal Homecoming's thunder. WB fucked up not fighting Marvel head on last year already. But they expected to co-exist with Marvel while Disney wanted DC fucking gone.

>>85640665

>he says, after the whole "fuck marvel" debacle

How about no? It's cool if you like DC stuff more than Marvel, but the hostility has been very much one-sided from DC, especially here where there is some misguided attempt to get BvS and MoS lauded as mis-understood masterpieces because they failed abysmally and Marvel has REEE NORMIES POPULARITY against it.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

>>85639678
Hi pajeet, which curry are you best at making?

>>85640829
>but the hostility has been very much one-sided from DC
I can think of 5 times as many of Marvel's artist and movie actors have been more hostile than I can say DC has.

>>85640933

>i can be five times as delusional as i've already been

Keep digging, you might find oil down there.

>>85637730
qt

>>85637462
I agree with this.

>>85636613
Image being such an autist that you hate Captain America.

>>85640967
keep being in denial. Ayer is your only excuse.

I'm sorry, I like cavill but that hairline is fucking trash. Please stop putting gel in his hair.

>>85637130

But it's fucking marvel land. Super tech is coming out of everyone's ass. AoS has it, magic is everywhere etc. The big deal just doesn't seem like a big deal. You even got scrap metal processing guys able to alter and configure super tech.

Being a comic franchise means that new incredibly overpowered technology (or biology) is abundant and governments really don't fucking matter at that point. Shield couldn't and shouldn't give a fucking about national boarders, there's bigger playing fields than just Earth. Shield & friends are also scum because major tech break throughs are had, used and displayed on the MCU/TV series but it just never seems to reach the public or transform their lives beyond 'oh noes major cataclysm (again), how ever will we rebuild out meager constructs!?'.

The whole inhumans/mutants thing is right, be free and open about the magic, tech etc and if some want magic give it to them. You only breed dissent by oppressing the magic/tech people.

>>85636613
Real duty is putting your country before your family and friends.
Do you know who fought for their friends and family?
The South.
Marvel is for children.

>>85640829
>he says, after the whole "fuck DC" debacle with RDJ.

>>85637262
I agree, hitler did nothing wrong

>>85636613
it's because captain died before the end of the second world war, meaning he never witnessed the unnecessary nuking of japan, and the subsequent monstrosity that american society devolved into. he comes from a time where the establishment, while present, wasn't able to manipulate entire generations and intellectually enslave them. he saw how bad things can get when the financial establishment crashes down, and he realizes that a small group of patriots are needed to keep not only the obviously criminals but also the corrupt establishments like the un and the federal government in check. he is a true hero.

superman on the other hand was raised by lunatics and grew up way after america became the ideological sinkhole that it is today. he grew up indoctrinated by a criminal network. he cannot realize the futility of working within the system, he cannot realize he needs to lead a revolution.

>he appears in courts and doesn't say a word
>only one person talking to him
>still can't smell the pee

B R A V O

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>>85640829
>but the hostility has been very much one-sided from DC
lol

>>85641088
Dumbest post I've read in a while. The average confederate soldier had a duty to his home, to his town, and to his state. Because that didn't extend as far as the strange and distant federal government doesn't mean that they didn't understand honor. Most Union troops that encountered them never called their honor into question.

I know that you're a faggoty millennial and it's hard to understand what shit was like before the internet, but take that a few steps further. No television, no telephone. Telegrams were tightly controlled and mystifying to most people, even in urban centers. The federal government was a very peculiar thing to someone living in the mountains of southwest Virginia.

>>85641194
I'm talking about the massive amount of southern deserters from the yankee army.
Treason is treason you dumb southern faggot.

>>85641194
>Most Union troops that encountered them never called their honor into question.
Dumbest post I've read in a while

>>85636669
>Receding hairline is a proof of high-test
Guess Cap' really is a beta.

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What the fuck you said to me you cunt? You say I'm not always right 100% of the time and there may be people who are sometimes also right? I'll fucking hit you right in the face for saying that you nazi piece of shit Hydra scum. I was in fucking WW2 you shit. You weren't even born when I was killing Nazi scum. And you think I will abide by YOUR rules? How about this, you shut the fuck and only open that mouth when there is a dick to be sucked. I don't give a fuck. My name is Captain fucking America meaning everything I do and say is by default right so fuck your laws and rules I will do my own shit even if my friends end up potentially putting millions of lives at risks. Fuck your UN and democracy!

>>85636995
>blown the fuck out by tony stark
ftfy

>>85641088
Ah I have something to say. Because this is a cold world. And lots of people think they should automatically be granted with a place next to the warm of the firestack. If you want that you have to conquer that, like you do everything else

Also, checked

>>85637262
>it's another Cap justifies hardline islamic terrorists teaching children to execute christians episode

>>85641286
Stop posting, Tony.

Captain America doesn't care about democracy, democracy can eat a dick. All Cap cares about is Freedom.

When is Stark getting his redemption arc in the MCU?

>>85641653
He is with spidey

>>85641724
He was a total ass in that movie, though

The one thing I like about Snyder's Superman is that not everybody, the government especially, see him as a hero. Well at least until he "died".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJij_6HnUME

Daily reminder that this happened.

>>85641795
I hate this gimmick in capes
>Holy shit look at Spider-Man saving old ladies from getting hit by cars and stopping low level street crime for no reward whatsoever! What a horrible terrorist monster! Why isn't he being hunted down and executed in the streets like a dog??
Stupid forced drama.

>>85641848
Spoken like a true marvelfag.

>>85641931
>example is shitting on Spider Man
>hurr marvelfag
drone pls

>>85641795
Even in death, there are probably still people that dislike him. Why? Because that's the way our world works. Fanboys will just have to settle that in the DCEU, there will always be those that doubt Superman. Whedon might retcon that but I hope he's not that dumb.

>>85637130
>scotch free

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>>85636613
>be random civilian
>read about how Captain America prevented New York from getting nuked during World War 2
>2012
>aliens start raining down from a big hole in the sky above New York
>suddenly Captain Fucking America jumps right out of a goddamn history book and punches them in the dick
>2014
>hear on the news that Captain America is wanted for assassination and could be armed and dangerous
>3 days later he swoops in out of nowhere, shoves the biggest conspiracy in human history into the spotlight, and prevents the Secretary of Defense from killing 20 million people in one fell swoop
>implying you wouldn't be worshipping him as the one true God atthat point

I would trust Captain America with my life much more than the UN, the United States government, or the man of murder.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!

>>85637322
early european migrants
educated

m8 are you serious right now. starving poor people everybody hated more like it you revisionist fuck

>>85642107
Ease up on the padding, Cap. You don't need to compete with Superman.

>>85642107
>that pic
>there are people who unironically think that MCU Steve Rogers is attractive
When did people's taste get so bad?

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Defend this, Marvlets.

>>85642232
>disliking the death of Europe is now Red Skull rhetoric
Ok marvel.

The difference is that Superman can break out of prison whenever he feels like it. There is no real threat to his safety and freedom, if he disagrees with his outcome he can just leave and nobody can stop him. Captain America is just a lucky guy with steroids, if he gets sentenced to prison he's never getting out until they let him out.

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>>85636613
>Trusting the government after winter soldier

>>85636613
There was character development for cap.
He was a law-abiding order-following soldier at the start, then as he was in more movies, we saw his opinions change. He stopped trusting large organisations after seeing what hydra was capable of, and being involved when hydra literally took over SHIELD in its entirety.
It's not like it's amazingly written, but did superman even change at all

>>85642170
>that bait

>>85642016
I hope it was an alcoholism joke.

>>85637272
>the right to do whatever the fuck you want in foreign countries is a completely different thing.

We already have a law for this. It only applies if it's a country that the US currently has a good relationship with.

Essentially you can go to Syria and fight ISIS and the only consequences are on you.

So if the African country that Tony fought Hulk in is not allied with the US, then Tony is not obligated to pay them.

>>85642280
But that's exactly what it is. Are you saying that speech is out of character for the Red Skull?

>>85644196
Ok pham whatever you say.

>>85644239
But was that speech not something The Red Skull would say?

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>>85644433
That was a speech some faggot Marvel writer would push on to the villains so he can shove more neo-liberal garbage down our throats.

>lex wants to make an abomination
>computer says not allowed
>lex says kyrptonians dead
>computer rolls over and does it with no hesitation

earth's computer security is better than kryptonian computer security at this point

>>85636613
>UN
>Democratic

>>85636613
Cap submitted to authority before and it turned out that the authorities in charge had been infiltrated by hardcore nazis who wanted to genocide a large portion of the planet. It makes sense that he only relies on his own judgement now.

>>85637518
>being this retarded

>>85638041
>didn't watch the extended edition
Then you don't have a right to critique it you retard

>>85637124
They swapped roles over the course of the movie because of their experiences. Tony was originally carefree and libertarian, at one point refusing to give his high-tech suits to the government and claiming that he had successfully privatised peace. But after seeing the consequences of his recklessness (Stark weapons blowing up American soldiers and innocent civillians, Russian Mickey Rourke creating an army of robots and the creation of Ultron, he has come to appreciate the value of responsibility and regulation. Steve on the other hand started out as a boyscout but saw just how easily power could corrupt and became distrustful of powerful organisations. He learned to trust his own instincts when it came to issues of morality.

>>85637130
>scotch free
These mistakes are a diamond dozen in this doggy dog world.

>>85636613
And when Supes submitted to democracy he got bit in the ass even harder.

Stop trying to apply real world philosophy to a world where people with superpowers and nearly anything can occur through science or magic. Lots of it gets thrown out the window which is why Hackder needs to put in as many Biblical references (but no actual insightful commentary or analysis) to make capeshit have any sort of depth

>>85645408
I know everything that happens in it so fuck off

>>85636613

>Capatain America
>Deeply flawed character with an antiquated mindset and serious trust issues stemming from his own personal history with government and a need for autonomy. Truly does believe in his own hype and comes to realize that he doesn't have all the answers, but can't abandon his friends and principles either. Ultimately settles for doing his own thing outside the law, knowing he can't be easily forgiven but the only way he can see how he can do what's right.

>Superman
>Space dindu that levels half of Metropolis and wonders why people don't like him. Is treated like Jesus fucking Christ himself by the other half of earth's population. Gives subtle threats to the government and military by showing he can ignore and obliterate them at any time and that they're lucky he's as good of a person as he is. Stands on ceremony and sees his heroism as completely optional and that he can leave Earth to rot at any time.

>>85636613
Superman is a pussy

>>85645661
>Deeply flawed character
He's literally right all the time every time. He's a Gary Sue if anything.

>>85638655
>Wrote
No, you meant written. It's the past participle of the verb" "to write." WROTE is the verb in its preterite (past tense) form. Why are monolingual Americans this retarded?

>>85640468
>snydercucks

>>85643703
SUPERMAN IS ALREADY PERFECT YOU BITCH

>>85646039
>defending the ugly digital look of nu-marvel

>>85637102
only in your little fantasy world, dcuck

>>85641519
wrong, because WE are right

>>85637340
>>85636613
What kind of cuck writes this cards?

>>85639678
>snyder drama
>utter fail
too... deep... amirite?

>>85639725
Warner is brainless

Captain America is ancap

>>85645583
>>And when Supes submitted to democracy he got bit in the ass even harder.

A Grown up consequence dealing with a grown up response.

In MCU, well, they're not exactly concerned with adult consequences to decisions.

>>85639894
And yet you know it's true.

>>85640665
Why can't DC do anything right should be OP question.

>>85642232
Making perfect points to motivate his own agenda, simple stuff anon.

>>85646100
>orange and blues world
Snyder please, the new Whedon color grading is making your movie barely lose against Thor, instead of being reamed up the ass.

>>85645408
>have to watch a movie AGAIN after it's come out in theaters in order to watch the "correct" version that actually has some explanation

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>>85646281
These guys

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>>85646625
What's wrong with watching the same film twice?

>>85646651
How many times do you think this marvel third-worlder shill has posted this image? Last I checked he was up to almost 200 times.

Captain America became disillusioned with the government over the course of the movies.

In Captain America: First Solider he's all like "yay government yay America."

In Avengers, he sees SHIELD is doing shady shit and he becomes suspicious of the government. Then, in Captain America: Winter Soldier, he sees SHIELD has done all these really questionable things (including allying with a former HYDRA scientist) only to discover that HYDRA had infiltrated SHIELD, and he becomes highly suspicious of the government.

That said, I wouldn't say Captain America "hates democracy" per say. He never really tried to tell people what to do or rule over them. He just wanted to help on his own terms, and didn't trust any governments to come in and give him orders. He didn't trust them to do the right thing, and he has every reason to think this.

His character is also somewhat justified. They certainly don't try to do right by Bucky, who was innocent but they were just going to imprison him forever without any form of trial. Plus, the whole thing was run by Hulk's villain.

>>85646804
what are you honestly going to do about it? cry to the shill mods only proving the actual locals of this board correct about you?
in fact if I go to the /tv/ irc right now and ask one of them if you've reported that post are they going to say yes?

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>implying cap is a mere pawn of democracy

he always did whatever the fuck he wanted

>>85646988
So what is it, 100? 200? I'm still low balling it am I not? This is bordering on mental illness. I can't imagine anyone being this fucking obsessed with company wars that he posts the same brown guy over and over and over again in every fucking thread for months. I hope for your sake that mods do ban you. I've seen a lot of bad shit on 4chan over the years but you're the first time I actually start to think that this guy might geniunely be a freak of nature.

>>85646909
Anon, haven't you heard? According to Euro /tv/ if you disagree with the government you hate democracy and you hate freedom

>>85646654
because the theatrical version should be the only one that counts. why should i have to pay for content that should have been in the movie in the first place? this isn't a damn video game, this is a fucking movie. and the only reason it was cut down was a shitty way to grab more money by being able to show it more. all the executive reasons behind BvS just made the whole this garbage any way you look at it

>>85647039
>because the theatrical version should be the only one that counts.
wtf I hate Blade Runner now.

Thanks marvel legions for setting the record on film straight!

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>>85647035
I asked you a question you fucking outsider
WHAT will you do about it? absolutely nothing but cry to the one mod who is a confirmed shill

>>85647104
Keep posting. I geniunely enjoy watching this mental illness unfold. It's also cute how you managed to print screen the page. You can go show it to your shill discord group and then link the thread so you can mass derail it again.

>>85647166
>didn't answer
>a sage post too
are you the same low IQ reddit cross poster that said he was going to dox me? are you scared? should i "do you in" just for threatening me in the first place or should I let it slide since you're a child of /v/?

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>>85636613

>>85647311
>are you the same low IQ reddit cross poster that said he was going to dox me?
I have no fucking idea what the fuck you're even on anymore. But I shouldn't have expected more from a mental case who dedicates himself posting the same images of brown people hundreds of times for seemingly no reason but to fuel his console wars on /tv/. Arguing with madness here.

>>85637681
>He was communicating with Steppenwolf, potentially Darkseid himself.

>>85637824
>i think this was only in the extended cut.

>>85638280


Anything not in the theatrical cut I disregard as not canon

Is OP a moron? It's very clear that cap doesn't trust any insitutitpn anymore because literally everything has been infiltrated by Hydra. When he does rescue Bucky Bucky still ends up on ice because they know he might come under hydra control again rather than letting him be executed or used by another clandestine force. That being said Tony was also in the right because you do need some sort of failsafe or restraint on fucking gods and destructive motherfuckers running amok. I don't think cap disagreed with that part of the accords so much as he was jaded about the different organizations being either infiltrated or useless. Things weren't black and white like he saw them back in the 40s.

>>85647384
>Anything not in the theatrical cut I disregard as not canon
Do you do the same discussing Blade Runner?

>>85647360
>pretending to be dumb to save face while keeping the same style of posting
it seems the answer to my question(for both :0)) is yes

>>85636613
>cap
>fuck the UN
that's correct though. nations should have their own sovereignty

>>85647621
If the Avengers was a nation, the whole world would've declared war against it. Atleast the super powers would've.

>>85637406
Everyone gets butt blasted about that scene when the whole point was that Batman hearing Superman say her name made Batman relate and he was forced to see Superman as not a force of nature but as a human.

>>85636613
>captain america
>not "captain israel"

>opening shot of BvS extended edition
>all the employees of Wayne Enterprises Metropolis offices are still at their desks working as aliens attack the city and cause earthquakes everywhere
>the bossman stays behind for no reason after Wayne forcibly makes the employees run for their lives, to be killed so that Bruce has someone to feel bad about not saving
Jesus christ how contrived is this movie going to be?

>>85648386
Read up on what people did during 9/11. You'll be shocked to see how people act during moments of crisis.

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>>85645921

>>85636613
Because America is plutocracy, captain protects it's values.