Mayday/Aircrash Why is it so good?

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No love?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522

I thought that one was pretty sad.

>>85566889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfh9-ogUgSQ

Listen to the last 10 minutes of CVR. The whole thing is eerie as fuck but the last couple of minutes are especially haunting.

>>85566889

>tfw one of the most successful Canadian television shows is about fucking airplane crashes

Why does the U.S. have to steal all our best talent reeeeee

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>>85567824
I wonder if that engineer killed himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Korean airliner drifts into Soviet airspace, reds lose their shit and send an interceptor, they conclude its a capitalist plot and blow it the fuck up.

>>85568210
He definitely fucked up, but holy shit, the crew ignored so many levels of redundancy.

What was the one where the air traffic controller was killed despite the crash not being his fault?

Plane crashes are a fucking horrible way to go.

Like the one with the two colliding 747s in the fog.
crazy shit man

>>85568931
Canary Islands ground incident right, it's the one that killed the most

>>85566889
Hey my gf was talking about some blackbox audios and she mentioned a plane that crashed onto a mountain but was airborne long enough for the victims to write letters to loved ones and stuff, is it that one?

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>>85567896
>Its over

>>85566889
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/lastwords.htm
>Pacific Airline 182 Last Words: Ma, I love you

>>85568997
yea man.

what else comes to mind?

the concorde crash
the one where the 747 dropped on apartment block in the netherlands (the one full with israeli weapons)
TWA800

>>85568448
This just pisses me off, Its not like the plane was attacking them.

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>>85569186
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

superpowers love shooting down planes

>>85569186
Thing is, that wasn't the first time it had happened. Literally the exact same thing happened only a few years earlier.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902

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>>85569236
>>85569279
Just why?

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>>85569279
I was just reading about this

wtf was the koreans problem?

>>85569347
Its fun

>>85566889
Fire on board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111
>The co pilot was conscious 1 min before crash
Holy shit I can only imagine the fear.

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and lets not forget MH17

>>85569363
Pretty sure GPS wasn't a thing civilians could use back then, and there aint many radar beacons way up there.

>>85569459
pretty sure ignoring fighter jets is not a good idea or was it at any point in history

>>85569641
902 allegedly followed correct protocol, but the ruskie still lit him up. 007 didnt even know there were fighters on his ass, he was radioing the tower right as he got blown away.

>>85567902
Its AirKino

>>85566889
I like it lad but honestly I prefer banged up abroad

>>85570470
>banged up abroad
>Seconds from disaster
>Mega Disasters

All so good

bump?
new season when?

>>85570470
this sounds like porn

>next ep: 5th sept 2017

kill me.

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>>85566889
i love the way they analyze all the details and point out how it could have been avoided

time to get comfy

>>85572135
That's not too bad, well for me at least.

>>85572409
Its easily the best part on the show, they even focus more on it in later seasons.

Theyve been running this since what, 2001? They must be running out of interesting crashes.

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>>85572409
>plane flying around over canada or some shit
>suddenly engines die, no fuel
>the pilot glides the fucking thing and lands it on a old runway
>its a fucking miracle nobody died
>turns out the ground crew was too dumb and didn't calculate lbs in kg properly and didn't fill it up for the trip

the gimly glider or something like that it was called

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

One of the saddest ones. People basically knew for 8 mintues they were fucked, with the captain trying to ram the cockit door with a food cart. Parts of the CVR were edited out when it was played to relatives.

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>>85572657

>>85572657
That was the one /tv/ lost its shit over right?

>>85572115
It's quality mate there's a few full episodes on youtube

>>85566889
>we will never get a mh370 kino

;_;

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>>85572657
>Suicide
Why the FUCK do you have to take people down with you? It isn't enough to kill yourself but you gotta kill a shit tonne of people too.

>>85572762
What? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYsdiIMULx8
Its right here

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>>85568448
>>85569279
The fact that gooks got shot down twice tells a lot about how good gooks are at navigation.

>>85569459
There were enough LORAN stations and INS was a thing as well, but using those require competency in basic navigation.

>>85572657
4 U

>>85572791
There are no innocent victims.

>>85572657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=510A3LKgfLU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFDV82f8Uvo

The crash which convinced me to never fly with Air France.

> It highlighted the role of the co-pilot in stalling the aircraft while the flight computer was under alternate law at high altitude. This "simple but persistent" human error was given as the most direct cause of this accident.

Plane quite clearly in a stall, falling 12,000 feet a minute, and yet the co-pilot continues to pull back on the controls.

>>85567824
>the flight attendant finally got to live his dream before he died

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>>85572736

>>85566889
Those jap pilots saved like half the passengers on the plane according to the few survivors, but their retarded arrogant jap government turned down U.S. Navy help in rescuing the victims and all but like 4 died of exposure or treatable wounds because the japs waited till the next morning. Fucking sucks.

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>>85568634
>>85568210
Yep, this.

>After the aircraft was returned into service, the flight crew overlooked the pressurisation system state on three separate occasions: during the pre-flight procedure, the after-start check, and the after take-off check. During these checks, no one in the flight crew noticed the incorrect setting

>working on my commercial pilots license
>see this thread

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the official explanation of TWA flight 800 doesn't make sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSjG3LjOEBU

>>85573003
>Dude we are in a deep stall wtf
>Don't worry if you stall deeper you recover ;^)

>>85573158
good night sweet prince

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKC9C0HCNH8

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>>85573194
>https://www.tailstrike.com/010609.html

>Robert has no idea that, despite their conversation about descending, Bonin has continued to pull back on the side stick. The men are utterly failing to engage in an important process known as crew resource management, or CRM. They are failing, essentially, to cooperate. It is not clear to either one of them who is responsible for what, and who is doing what. This is a natural result of having two co-pilots flying the plane. "When you have a captain and a first officer in the cockpit, it's clear who's in charge. The vertical speed toward the ocean accelerates. If Bonin were to let go of the controls, the nose would fall and the plane would regain forward speed. But because he is holding the stick all the way back, the nose remains high and the plane has barely enough forward speed for the controls to be effective. As turbulence continues to buffet the plane, it is nearly impossible to keep the wings level.
>02:11:32 (Bonin) Damn it, I don’t have control of the plane, I don’t have control of the plane at all!
>02:11:37 (Robert) Left seat taking control!
> [At last, the more senior of the pilots (and the one who seems to have a somewhat better grasp of the situation) now takes control of the airplane. Unfortunately, he, too, seems unaware of the fact that the plane is now stalled, and pulls back on the stick as well. Although the plane's nose is pitched up, it is descending at a 40-degree angle. The stall warning continues to sound. At any rate, Bonin soon after takes back the controls. A minute and a half after the crisis began, the captain returns to the cockpit. The stall warning continues to blare. ]

> 02:11:43 (Captain) What the hell are you doing?
>02:11:45 (Bonin) We’ve lost control of the plane!
>02:11:47 (Robert) We’ve totally lost control of the plane. We don’t understand at all… We’ve tried everything.

>>85573393
>[The captain of the flight makes no attempt to physically take control of the airplane. Had Dubois done so, he almost certainly would have understood, as a pilot with many hours flying light airplanes, the insanity of pulling back on the controls while stalled. But instead, he takes a seat behind the other two pilots.]

>02:12:14 (Robert) What do you think? What do you think? What should we do?

>[As the stall warning continues to blare, the three pilots discuss the situation with no hint of understanding the nature of their problem. No one mentions the word "stall." As the plane is buffeted by turbulence, the captain urges Bonin to level the wings—advice that does nothing to address their main problem. The men briefly discuss, incredibly, whether they are in fact climbing or descending, before agreeing that they are indeed descending. As the plane approaches 10,000 feet, Robert tries to take back the controls, and pushes forward on the stick, but the plane is in "dual input" mode, and so the system averages his inputs with those of Bonin, who continues to pull back. The nose remains high.
>02:13:40 (Robert) Climb... climb... climb... climb...
>02:13:40 (Bonin) But I've had the stick back the whole time!
>[At last, Bonin tells the others the crucial fact whose import he has so grievously failed to understand himself.]
>02:13:42 (Captain) No, no, no… Don’t climb… no, no.
>02:13:43 (Robert) Descend, then… Give me the controls… Give me the controls!

>>85572551
every crash is interesting

>>85573003
captain had sex while 2 noobs handled the flying

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>>85573450
>[Bonin yields the controls, and Robert finally puts the nose down. The plane begins to regain speed. But it is still descending at a precipitous angle. As they near 2000 feet, the aircraft's sensors detect the fast-approaching surface and trigger a new alarm. There is no time left to build up speed by pushing the plane's nose forward into a dive. At any rate, without warning his colleagues, Bonin once again takes back the controls and pulls his side stick all the way back.]
>02:14:23 (Robert) Damn it, we’re going to crash… This can’t be happening!
>02:14:25 (Bonin) But what’s happening?
>02:14:27 (Captain) Ten degrees of pitch…

>Exactly 1.4 seconds later, the cockpit voice recorder stops.

Just colossal stupidity all around. A developed nation lets these kind of retards fly aeroplanes.

>>85573464
My drunk uncle shearing the wings off his Cessna probably wouldnt make a good serious episode

>>85573544
This is what happens when you let autistic fucks pilot a plane.

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>>85573191
>hour long

>>85573544
>40 degree AOA
>engines at max power the whole time
>dropping at 150mph
What the fuck how do you not notice this? I know how easy it is to get disoriented at heights like that, but the fact that the plane is going apeshit and stuff is falling over in the cabin might alert you to something.

>>85573750
>He doesn't like hour long kino

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*blocks your flightpath*

>>85575179
kek

>>85568868
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collision

>>85575602
Yes!!! thanks anon, I will never not be mad at that butthurt father.

>>85575720
No problem. And yeah, that father was completely out of line. The guy was overworked and alone in the tower, but regardless, he gave both pilots clear instructions to ascend and descend respectively when he noticed their flight trajectories were crossed. 45 seconds to listen to an order from ATC seems more than doable.

>>85576238
Yeah, not to mention the Russians ignored TCAS fucking morons. Sorry this ep really gets to me

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>>85576467
It's hard watching a preventable tragedy unfold. I know how you feel anon.

>>85576238
>russian father cheered by fellow russians on release from jail

fucking slav shits

>>85577349
>was later appointed a minister in Ossieta
Pretty sure the Germans let him out after only a few years too

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>That UPS guy that tried all his best till the last second.

Stabilizer jackscrew comes loose due to poor maintenance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbf1vbxsB2Y

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>The ghost plane episode

>>85577998
>poor maintenance
Sadly a fair amount of episodes are this

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>>85566993
>>85566889
>>85567041
yes, yes me. i dig it. but then again im in flight school
>>85567824
i have original pictures of the crash site, wanna see?

>>85573003
>>85573393
>>85573544
that was caused by Airbus lousy cockpit design. the french assholes are just too goddamn pretentious to admit when they fucked up. but retarded faggots who dont know shit still just say "pilot error" without even considering that the SHIT COCKPIT AND FLIGHT CONTROL DESIGN of fucking airbus is at fault, actually. its anti-human.

>>85578682
>i have original pictures of the crash site, wanna see?
Yes please

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>>85578736
there you go
http://imgur.com/a/pfbOp
its NSFW obviously

>>85578816
Thank you anon
>those charred broken bodies

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>>85578931
well if its any consolidation, they have been dead or at least unconscious when it happened.
i can imagine worse deaths than the ones resulting from hypoxia.

some pilots are being trained to notice it, but its very very hard to do so. a rapid decompression at like 35000 feet (a normal cruise level for an airliner) gives you only about 40-60 seconds useful consciousness. after that, you cant help yourself anymore, you couldnt even put your oxygen mask on if someone tells you your life depended on it.

video related, he survived though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IqWal_EmBg

>>85579113
Thank goodness, what a horrible way to go.
That's interesting to know and terrifying.

You said you are currently in flight school, if you don't mind me asking. Does this stuff scare you? whats it like to actually fly the plane? what inspired you to fly?

>>85579280
I got my inspiration when I saw an article in an African newspaper website that showed an American flying an old Mirage F1 as a mercenary.

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>>85566889
>>85567896
>JSDF personnel on the ground did not set out to the site the night of the crash.
>Medical staff later found bodies with injuries suggesting that individuals had survived the crash only to die from shock, exposure overnight in the mountains, or from injuries that, if tended to earlier, would not have been fatal.
>Off-duty flight attendant Yumi Ochiai, one of the four survivors out of 524 passengers and crew, recounted from her hospital bed that she recalled bright lights and the sound of helicopter rotors shortly after she awoke amid the wreckage, and while she could hear screaming and moaning from other survivors, these sounds gradually died away during the night.

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>>85579280
its not scary at all to be honest, but maybe i just dont see the danger, because its certainly there. its even less scary when youre in control. the most important part is to know your procedures and also to remember this simply acronym:
>aviate
>navigate
>communicate
many accidents happen because pilots do other things while forgetting to actually fly the aircraft.

flying the plane is very demanding at first. everything takes a lot of time (deceleration, climbing and descending, preperation for approaches, the radio calls and all that) and you really have to manage to stay ahead of the aircraft mentally, but you get used to it. in many phases of the flight the workload is very big, even though everything is perfectly fine and there arent any malfunctions or abnormal things to do, but of course in the actual airliners there are many tools to help you with that.

i always wanted to be a pilot but it was a very rough way to even get into flighschool at all, i had to do a lot of mental and physical entry tests, and theres still no job guarantee.

>>85566889
The actual VCR from the Aeroperú flight is awesome, the moment they started they realized everything was fucked and maintenance was to blame

>El maaaaaaaar!!!
>Estamos invertidos!!!
>Static

Also, subscribe to Vasaviation on YouTube, his channel focuses on tower recordings with pilots, there are awesome ones like the moment when Turkey when on a coup and they didn't know what to do or when an earthquake hit Chile so they closed the airport.

And also, Harrison Ford's fuck up when he almost hit an airliner because he mistook the taxi lane with the runway.

>>85579753
Where do you live? Im in Canada and getting into flight school was no big deal.

>>85579389
>>85579753
Interesting, I have a lot of respect for pilots, the time, effort and dedication required is immense.

Keep at it anon, the sky is waiting for you.

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>>85579510
>she could hear screaming and moaning from other survivors, these sounds gradually died away during the night.

Fucking nips, if only the accepted the help of others.

>>85579113

The Co-Pilot seemed fine. Why didn't he take control of the airplane and communications?

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>>85579807
Europe
i could have also gone to many different flight schools and skipped a lot of tests, but i wanted something with an already good reputation in the business. i think its very different in the states and canada etc.

>>85579827
thanks man i appreciate it! i actually had a school intern checkflight today and passed with really good scores, if things keep going the way they do, i may have a good chance to fly commercially soon.

>>85579992
the "pilot 2" wasnt a copilot in this instance, it was the pilot of another aircraft nearby.
The second pilot in the kalitta plane was already unconscious.

>>85580127
How many hours do they need for the commercial license over there? And how many before you have a reasonable chance of getting a job?

>>85580127
I'm sure you'll pass with flying colours anon so good luck!

>>85580303
>commercial license
around 200 for the CPL with multi engine IFR rating.
>how many before you have a reasonable chance of getting a job?
depends on the flight school and the market situation. at the moment, me and my colleagues have good chances to get a job right out of the school without any additional hours.

>>85578682
>that was caused by Airbus lousy cockpit design. the french assholes are just too goddamn pretentious to admit when they fucked up. but retarded faggots who dont know shit still just say "pilot error" without even considering that the SHIT COCKPIT AND FLIGHT CONTROL DESIGN of fucking airbus is at fault, actually. its anti-human.

Airbus has far better technical documentation than Boeing and generally everything is easier to access. One could consider Boeing documentation to be anti-human and quite major factor when Boeings crash due to poor maintenance.

t. mechanic.

>>85573320
holy fuck

the best one is the russian flight where the pilot let his kids fly the plane

>>85581212
>t. machanic
well i dont screw around on aircraft, so i cant say anything about that.
alpha protect, alternate and direct law, and the fact that you fly the airplane in a completely different way when everything is alright compared to when something cuts out or turns to shit, thats airbus. its insanely dangerous, everyone that reads into that stuff sees that.

there was an incident in which the stall protection system sent a Lufthansa Airbus in a continuos descent. this """"protection"""" system overrules the pilots imputs, and guess what: since the airbus engineers are so fucking pretentious and think their machines are infallible, there was not a single procedure in place on what to do. what happened, basically, is that the pilots who fortunately had excellent system knowledge, turned off a few systems to force the plane into alternate law. they regained aircraft control, and what they did is now procedure at airbus:
>if the airplanes "protection systems" try to literally kill you and your passangers, just switch off a few computers to force the plane into an emergency mode

>>85581504
>overrides the pilot
Holy shit, who the fuck allowed this?

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>>85581550
frenchies?

and dude, i even admit, as long as everything WORKS its fine. what they dont realize (or probably realized by now but would never admit) is that the whole system makes your pilot retarded.
look at the air france crash, for instance. those pilots have been flying for thousands of hours, everyone in that coockpit was very experienced. but then, all of a sudden, important systems literally froze shut and the airbus protection systems switched themselfes off. if those systems would have been on, the so "terrible and stupid and etc." actions of the pilots would have had no catastrophic effect whatsoever. because thats how you fly the airbus, you pull the stick and it climbs.

look at the image. there are two tiny green parallel lines left and right of the blue part, and another two lines in the brown part, about halfway down, beneath the "10". those lines were missing at the air france flight, and the crew didnt realize that. those lines means the Airbus protection systems are operating.

another insanely dangerous and retarded aspect of the Airbus flight controls is, the second pilot has NO feedback on what the other pilot is doing on the stick. on Boeing, and on pretty much every aircraft, the two sticks are mechanically linked, so that you can see and feel on your controls the inputs on the controls of the other pilot. if youre in a stall and one pilot is pulling up, you can push against it, and maybe tell him
>dude what are you doing, we are stalling, push the nose down.
do you see how retarded that is? on the airbus you have to actively LOOK to the stick, you cant feel it!

>>85582061
daaaamn

>>85573320
Good ep.

this is a quality thread

>>85584311
I honestly cant tell if your being sarcastic.

>>85584453
Nah, I've been enjoying it. I left the name in there by accident.

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wtf happened to the malaysa flight ?

>>85586399
For some reason, water landed and sank.

>>85586399
I think probably a fire disabled the transponder and the pilot tried to turn for an emergency landing, but asphyxiated. Like the Greek ghost plane

>>85586399
desmond crashed the plane when he didnt push the button

>>85586399
Pilot was a Muslim terrorist but they cant let people know because it would hurt the narrative. He had practised flying these weird ass routes on flight simulator or some shit, and obviously they didnt want to find the black box lest everyone hear him scream Allah akbar until death

>>85586399
Extended suicide, just like 4u flight with no survivors to les bains and to history of meme magic.

>>85573544

>Damn it, we’re going to crash… This can’t be happening!

DO YOU FEEL IN CHARGE?

Flight is crashkino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhxm5QEbYI

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>tfw i actually like airplane food

srs

>>85589954
the nuts ain't bad

>>85569186

this was straight up murder. no doubt it was a civilian aircraft, just a decision to kill innocent people for no reason.

>>85582061
Can't you look at the other pilot? he's fucking sitting next to you, jesus.

>>85566889
Patiently awaiting the Daniel Lewin+Sayeret Matkal expose

>>85582061
>because thats how you fly the airbus, you pull the stick and it climbs.
How can you not notice that the plane is stalling? Don't the pilots have info on what angle the nose is?

>>85577889
Which episode?

>>85594594
S15E4
"Fatal Delivery"

>>85566889
Where do you watch this i dont have cable. I have been watching a ton of airplane crash videos that some people recreate in a simulator, its pretty comfy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B2AHUUUX7M&t=380s

Anyone have the investigation of the 747 that stalled on takeoff from the weight shifting to the back?

>>85572632
Also if I recall the runway wasn't on maps and the pilot only knew it was there because he had used it in his military career before it was retired.

>>85573750
>being a pleb this hard
cmon son

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>>85593835
you dont have time for it, and its another act that hightens the workload. the stick is really low in the cockpit and it the deflections of the stick are small anyways, it would be very hard to see in what position the stick is. also, why would you assume the other pilot is trying to off you? why would you NOT link those controls? tactile feedback is extremely important in such situations.
the fact that they arent linked literally switches off one of the most crucial redunadancies in an airliner.

seriously, it is so insanely stupid, it blows my mind.
i dont know what they were thinking.
>https://www.fastcodesign.com/1669720/how-lousy-cockpit-design-crashed-an-airbus-killing-228-people
heres a good article on it.

>>85593949
on the right side of this PFD you have the airspeed indication. the red bar on the lower side is the airspeed at which the stall starts to occur. as soon as you come close to it, the aircraft will literally scream at you "BEEP BEEP BEEP - STALL STALL!" over and over again. this is also what happened in the airbus. the pilots didnt react correctly because the aircraft was switching modes. in "normal law", the protection systems of the airbus prevent you from going into the stall. you can pull up as much you want, the plane will not stall, it will override your input and lower the nose regardless. but as soon as crucial systems needed for this system to work are lost, the airplane switches into "alternate law" and its like flying an actual aircraft again, the flight controls act different, and they will not protect you anymore.
its not a perfect analogy, but imagine youre driving your car, and suddenly it starts to scream at you to brake immediately.
but the problem is, the brake is now not where the brake usually is, it changed places with the clutch. and the dude next to you is maybe better trained, and knows about that, but he doesnt KNOW you press the wrong pedal, because he cannot feel or see it.

>>85595551
http://avherald.com/h?article=46183bb4

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>>85595551

That had pretty simple fuck up as cause, MRAP is just order of magnitude more heavy than average cargo pallet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLAvN4IUzoI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
imagine one of your coworkers trying to murder you with a hammer and then staging an air crash to cover it up, because he was butthurt that he thought he was going to get fired

>>85597502
he was a negroe though, cant really blame him