This so much better than GOT what the fuck

>>85429617
Well, not really. Game of Thrones has a lot more badass women, like the Dornish snakes, Cersei, Dany, Sansa, Arya, etc. and is also a little more realistic (battles, ships, castles etc)

For a while there HBO produced nothing but TV kino. Now they just want the normie audience

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HBO used to make The Sopranos

>>85429661
BBC made Rome

>>85429656
laughing out loud

>>85429617
It's still just schlock, the only genuinely good HBO show was The Sopranos.

>>85429617
Pretty much the show that GRRM thought showed that HBO would make a good adaptation.

>you'll never be forced to pleasure Cleopatra

>>85430063
The same BBC that is making Trojan Kangz?

>>85430122
>what is Deadwood

>>85429716
>>85430122
Sopranos is extremely overrated

>>85430166
>swearing cowboys and ultraviolence
"no"
>>85430178
pleb

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>>85429656
>Game of Thrones has a lot more badass women

>>85429617
John Milius bowed no-one.

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>>85429656
>Badass women

>>85429617
Spartacus is better

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>>85429656
>badass women

>>85430584
Spartacus tried too hard to emulate Rome and it looks really blatant and unimaginative if you've seen the latter first.

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Should be more historic series imo

>>85429656
what a fucking nerd.

>>85430063
>>85430150
Yes that BBC. It was a joint american-british-italian venture before the BBC had quotas

Rome was ruined by those two moronic soldiers and their boring storylines. fuck those two.

>>85430208
Deadwood is amazing. You shut your mouth.

>Rome
>Deadwood
>Sopranos
>The Wire
>Three seasons of Game of Thrones
What happened to HBO in 2013 that made them suddenly go from kino to trash?

>>85432568
Sjw culture

If you pick Rome over GoT you're a pleb. GoT has better writing, better acting and better story. I've only seen one episode of Rome and it was shit. I had to turn it off after 20 minutes. This is like those fags who like Firefly even tho that's shit too and it was cancelled for a reason. Both shows were. If it was good like GoT it wouldn't have been cancelled now would it? I can't believe I share a board with such plebs

>>85432829
Firefly really is some reddit trash though. I was mad as fuck when I got hoaxed into watching that garbage.

>>85432568
"The quotas, goy"

>>85430584
Spartacus is the dudebro version of Rome, on steroids.

>>85432927
this

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>>85432829

>>85433565
>can't defend your show
>better post some stupid picture
are all Rome fans simple minded idiots?

>>85433721
Attention

>>85429617
Lucius and Titus had probably the best on screen bromance of all time. How Titus keeps fucking up and making mistakes, how Lucius keeps trying to help him and sort him out even thought he doesn't believe in doing so as is trying to do what should be right and what he thinks is right. Their adventures, running into the fucking eagle, being shipwrecked then running into fucking Pompei, it was wonderful experience watching the show, also I love the way armors make noise in the show, rubbing leathers etc

>>85433871
that's what I thought. You can't defend it so you resort to this. Pathetic

Americans absolutely cannot stand history, anything actually documentary is avoided like the plague.

>>85432568
>all those memes
The only good HBO shows are OZ, Carnivale, Rome, Deadwood, and the Leftovers.

>>85429617
I'M A SON OF HADES
I FUCK CONCORD IN HER ASS

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>>85429656

>>85434020
They can enjoy it if you add lion noises, gunfire and explosion sound effects to battle scenes though.

>>85429656
slay

titus and lucius is the best bromance to ever be put on screen

>>85434337
>lion noises

Holy fuck this. I put on an american bug documentary and the spiders had lion roars playing when they attacked another bug. Pathetic,

>>85434020
That's because thinking about history reminds them that they are all just filthy immigrants in a foreign country. Remembering their own history means admitting they are all just the children of europeans who couldn't make it in the old world.

>>85434020
But the BBC stopped funding it because it was too expensive. Clearly Anglos are history averse.

>>85434441
>hates americans for not liking documentaries
Why aren't you bitching about the filthy muslims or niggers in Africa fucking everything up? By your logic they're much worse.

>>85430178
pleb begone

>>85434529
nah you just have shit taste like 99% of redditors here

>>85434526
Can you explain how you go from americans making shitty documentaries to niggers in africa? I mean I agree with you that they are worse. I just don't see how one thing has anything to do with the other.

>>85432590
>SJW culture
>Six Feet Under started in 2001.

>>85434068
>not including the Sopranos
You look lonely. Have a (You)

>>85429617
GAme of thrones is what rome would be if it had continued for more than two seasons.

>>85434638
This guy gets it.

>>85429617
THIRTEEN

>>85434638
Nah, we would've had a whole host of based characters coming in as they covered the I Claudius period, if anything it would've gotten better and better.
GoT suffers from the source material being garbage, not the case with history.

>>85429617
Cicero>Stannis
prove me wrong fagGOTs

>>85434607
>>85434607
That was pre-sjw era

It was the weimar to Nazism

>>85429617
>so much better than GOT

such great heights

>>85433994
T. Faggot

They're pretty much the same fucking show

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>>85429617

TRVE ROMAN BREAD FOR TRVE ROMANS

>>85429656
got is for numale millennial cucks

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>>85430178
Gonna have to stop you right there my man

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>>85429617

>>85430178
It's entry level gangster shit with some pop psychology thrown in. Sopranos is a step below all the other "great" HBO shows.

>>85435200
>i love to feel like a unique individual
(you)

>>85432829
Since when is popularity a reflection of artistic value?
> GoT has better writing, better acting and better story
Watch the whole season before you get judgemental about it

S4 GoT was just as good but it just lived long enough to see itself become tge villain where is Rome got to die the hero that early era HBO needed

>hate Game of Thrones
>hate Vikings
>love Rome
>it's too expensive to reproduce the glory of Rome that was made with marble and stone around 3 continents, so here are 1600 episodes about snowniggers in mud-huts and lowlifes plebs fighting each other in a shit copy of Lord of the Rings
Fuck this shit.

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Absolutely diamonds during this scene. I want to fuck Gaia all night

>>85435658
She'd break you desu fampai

>>85435708
She can try and I'd love every moment of it

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Best, cheekiest couple coming through

>>85434693
No way tgere would have been a dissapointing teutoberg forest episode... vorenus would bang some hot germanic girl even tho its out of character, then they would get back and Augustus would have changed actors for an old man and it would be about hom fighting the senate and going crazy due to old age

>>85435887
The fact that Augustus and Livia would get recast is a good thing not a bad thing. The story should've just kept going, following Vorenus' kids etc.

>>85435833
>worshipping dogs and reptiles in vile nilotic rites

Fuck you Antony

FELLOW CITIZENS OF THE AVENTINE

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>>85435833
>Vorenus telling her she can fuck off after Anthony died

>>85435960
GO BACK TO GAUL GINGER KNOB

>>85435132
>tfw you got banned from the agora due to anti-semitic comments

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>>85429617
>>85430122
Why not both?

rome was character assasination the TV show.

Cato was not a warmongering old fool, Cicero was not a spinless two faced cretin, Augustus did not fuck his sister. Atia was not cersei fucking lannister

>>85436229
How do you know, were you there?

>>85435833
BLACKENS HIS EYES WITH SOOT

>>85436046
I love how they managed to add Jewish characters in a show about Rome

>>85436229
Cicero was the only portrayal that really bothered me in s1 but he really recovered in s2

>>85436308
I thought Cicero was fair. You have to remember what a complete brute Mark Anthony really was.

>>85436308
What bothered you about Cicero? I've read quite a lot about him and I thought their depiction of him, historical inaccuracies on some of the specifics aside, was absolutely brilliant. It really does portray him as the man caught between two worlds that he was. He was from a relatively low background, but had worked his way up to the highest circles of the Republic as a phenomenal orator, beaten Catiline and become de facto moderate leader in the senate. Everything he does in the show is governed less by any real love for the nobility, of which he is not truly part as a 'novus homo', but for a desire for stability.

>>85429617
ISSA FLOP

>>85432829
>muh popularity
Who let the plebs in?

>>85436457
Yeah I thought they showed how fragile Cicero's position was pretty well, and like you said it was built on his ability as an orator which was of basically no use in an era of Pompeys and Caesars.

>>85429656
>badass women

you didn't even try. here's your (you) anyway.

>>85435176
his face is so aesthetic holy shit he looks like a statue when the light hits his face properly in the show

THIR
E
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>average /tv/ poster in successor kingdoms

>>85436292
You are right there were no major events amongst the jewish in that time period.

>>85437084
>average /tv/ poster
>doesn't want to have sex with his sister

Can some /his/torian explain why cato and pompey wanted to oust Caesar at the start of the series?

It seemed like Caesar did nothing wrong yet they labeled him a criminal for no reason, leading caesar to actually take over rome

>>85437404
Rome had very recently had tyrants take over and declare themselves dictator. They rightly saw Caesar as an even more dangerous new example.
He wasn't even meant to be in Gaul conquering it, that in itself was a dangerous powergrab, his huge success culminating in leading a ridiculously loyal army back into Italy was a crisis to all his political enemies (like Cato). Pompey was just the establishment man, the greatest living general and so the responsibility fell upon him to sort Caesar out, but before the events of the show they were friends.

>>85429617
No it's not.

>>85430584
lmao

>>85437404
Caesar was part of the Populares (populist) faction in the senate and a power-hungry young genius, with no regard for tradition or established rules if circumventing them furthered his ambitions, Cato was a hardcore conservative and part of the Optimates faction who absolutely despised him because of this. Pompey was also a part of the Populares for a long time and worked together with Caesar, but switched to the Optimates after the death of Crassus. It became more and more evident that Caesar's power was unmatched, so he saw the opportunity to rebrand himself as Caesar's greatest foe and defender of republican virtues, even though he was just as ambitious as Caesar and spend, just like him, most of his life undermining the stability of the old system.

>>85434020
You don't know what a documentary is idiot.

>>85437404
Pompey was jealous of Caesar's success in Gaul, and didn't want to be overshadowed by him.

Cato was scared Caesar was going to declare himself king and end the republic. Caesar was also having affair with his half sister.

>>85436281
Like a prrrrostitute!

2nd season was mediocre

Who was /ourguy/ from Rome /tv/?

>Cicero
>Vorenus
>the newsreader

It really is

>>85432166
This desu. Real roman history is infinitely more interesting than Captain Cuck and his mentally retarded sidekick

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>>85438488

Clearly ancient autism guy

STILL FUCKING YOUR MOTHER

I don't care that it was cancelled. The only bad thing was that we missed Battle of Actium. They wanted to continue the show until the birth of Jesus. What happened in between? Nothing but the teutoburg forest. The show ended gracefully and feels complete.

>>85429617
It's good but there's not much of it. I'd rather watch GoT than rewatch it again.

>>85439005
Military """history""" enthusiasts plz go

>>85430063
>>85429716
It was a collaboration. HBO paid 80%. BBC helped while were filming in Italy and HBO production worked from LA.

>>85429716
>>85429661
wrong quote

>>85439070
Absolutely nothing in between. Even Caligula would be just a child at the end of the proposed s5. No more intrigues, no rivals of Octavian who would match Mark Anthony.

>>85430178
>>85435200

Maximum pleb alert

nobody watches sopranos for "muh violence" or action. it was to see the fucked up bullshit lives of the terrible people in the mob. acting, story, pacing all A+. rome can suck a dick

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Mark Anthony was an eternal cuck that played second fiddle to Caesar and the got shrekt by Octavian

>>85436229
What bothers me is that they portrayed Cato as a patrician

>>85439005
I'm not sure they needed more seasons but the way the second felt rushed towards the end annoyed me.

>>85439245
They should make a prequel series set between Sulla and the victory at Alesia

>>85439377
I'm bothered not only by the fact they made Cato so old, but also that they softened his death. The real Cato was revived and stitched up after stabbing himself, when he wakes up he gets mad at his doctor for ruining his suicide and pulls his stitches out.

>>85439379
And it's 10 years from the death of Brutus to the death of Mark Anthony.
Looks like season 2 was originally seasons 2 and 3. The remaining two would be about a campaign against the Germanic tribes and the something in Judea I guess. Honestly they already showed the most important bits. A show with a title like Rome could be 20 seasons long.

>>85439314
No-one mentioned violence or action but you. Seems you have a chip on your shoulder for liking an outdated entry-level show.

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>>85430122
>the only genuinely good HBO show was The Sopranos.
I want young shits to leave 4chan.

>>85439516
No what we need is a Punic Wars series. Starting with Scipio as just a scrub, Actium as the big season 1 ending finale where half the roman cast are killed off GoT style.

What is some more roman kino?

Gladiator?
The Eagle is shit
??? What else

>>85439742
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST

Is it fair to say that with the death of Mark Antony Rome was mostly free from internal conflicts between ambitious generals etc. and later dangers came mostly from outside? It's not like Rome was peaceful as lots of emperors were murdered but there was no more triumvirates and nothing that would match the rivalry between Gaius Julius/Pompey Magnus or Octavian/Mark Antony.
I think it was a good way to end the show.

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>>85437404
Caesar pulled so much illegal shit during his career he had to keep having a political position in order not to get prosecuted and executed for what he did, that's part of the reason behing the whole Gaul expedition which was at first meant as some border dipsute between tribes, but Caesar ended conquering the whole fucking place (WITHOUT ORDERS FROM THE SENATE) in order to keep his military command and rack up prestige.

Then part of the senate got fed up with his shit and feared he would then kill the republic, proclaim himself king or some shit to keep power, they told him to renounce his military command, Caesar wouldn't have it and he crossed the Rubicon with his armies making him effectively an enemy of the state.


Tldr: the senate did nothing wrong, caesar was dick

>>85439799
Best Cato

>>85439742
>Actium
Cannae obviously. Sorry got too much ROME on my brain

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>>85434068
>Carnivale

Damn I loved this show.

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>>85439878
He was the Senate

>>85439792
If you want a good read/ fiction dealing with romans, try the Clash of Eagles series. Basic plot for book 1: >Roman Empire never collapsed
>in 1300s, they discover the Americas
>send several legions to conquer the new land in search of rumored gold
>through guerilla warfare, poison, attrition, and tactics the Romans aren't prepared for, the vast majority of the legion is wiped out and the leader is captured by one of the tribes
>instead of one of those bullshit stories where he sees how noble they are and becomes one of them, he gets the idea to introduce roman culture, technology, and tactics to them, romanizing the barbarians, so that when the empire finally does conquer them, he'll be made governor of the Americas

>>85439878
The Diet Is Castrated - Sir Chicken Salad

>>85439978
never thought I'd read roman fiction before

>>85439878
>implying the post-sulla senate was anything but a relic
lol

>>85439964
looks comfy, downloading now.

>>85439871
For the reign of Augustus anyways. In later centuries there was a lot of brutal civil wars that ultimately led to the downfall of western Rome. Migrating tribes and invasions played a part but in the end Rome was killed by incompetent emperors and internal conflicts.

>>85440180
Blame sulla and marius acting like niggers and making the senate look like powerless fools, caesar and pompey grew up in that era

>>85439964
still GOAT opening credits

>>85440236
Oswald Spengler described how each great Empire will eventually fall. The only one he got wrong was the British Empire, which was not lost through war or rebellion, but through them giving everybody Self-Determination. If you want to be technical, the Commonwealth is essentially an Empire of it's own. If you want to go even less technical, the Queen is legal Head of State of 16 countries still. If you want to ignore that, Britain has a dozen or so oversea territories as well.

If we apply Spenglers definitions (and granted he wrote his shit in 1929, where the idea of a global connected information highway was a fucking genius' dream let alone a reality) then the American Empire (if you can call it an Empire) is in it's Winter stage. Which is turmoil at home, insane levels of surveillance on your citizens and restrictions of freedoms and other junk.

As it is, the fact that USA isn't in a civil war right now over Trump proves that it's unlikely to ever happen anyway. So Spengler might be wrong once again.

>>85434612
>not including band of brothers

Suck a dick, faggot.

>>85440431
John Adams and From the Earth to the Moon.

>>85439792
It's a bit thin on the ground. Spartacus old movie and new show. I, Claudius.

For historical fiction Robert Harris' Cicero trilogy pretty good. Political fuckery through the roof.

>>85440236
The historical consensus nowadays is that Rome didn't die of natural causes, it was assasinated.

>>85434068
>implying Lindelof didn't inevitably massively shit the bed

>>85439792
not ancient rome but both the Bogia series are good. the one without Irons is especially good, reminds me a lot of Rome. I think some of the same people worked on it.

>>85436292
The third season was going to be about jesus and shit

>>85439871
Not really, the shift became more court politics, intrigue, you get the rise of the Praetorians for a start. But yeah there aren't any big civil wars for a small time.

>>85439792
Spartacus has some good old-fashioned scheming in Roman senate. I was expecting them to focus only on the rebellion. Good movie.

Ben-Hur (1959) is one of my all time favorite movies but only a part of the movie takes place in Rome. It's all good though. Probably the best subplot.

I need to watch The Fall of the Roman Empire as it's apparently another classic.

>>85435200
pleb
also, you have to consider when it was made.
Fernseher wasn't a thing back then.

>>85434675
I unironically cried like a little bitch.

>>85435200
>It's entry level gangster shit with some pop psychology thrown in. Sopranos is a step below all the other "great" HBO shows.

What a dreadful noise plebs make when they're happy.

>>85437404
He was too popular with the plebs and he had the Sulla-like ability to crash Roman politics with no survivors

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>>85440422
>on /tv
>talks about Spengler

>I choose both
Never change /pol.. I m-mean /tv

>>85432568
They went to shit immediately after Obama got elected.

>>85429656
why are they called snakes

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>>85442623
>/tv
>/pol
>/tv

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Who will play him in the inevitable biopic. Besides idris elba

>>85432568
leftovers is after 2013 and is top 5 tv shows of all time (for me) so
well they did cut it short so ur not wrong

>>85429656
Fpwp

>>85434020
>>85434337
>>85434442
These

>>85430178
This, it's also boring as fuck.
I mean I watched the Wire and sometimes it was quite long but in the Sopranos everything is stretched to the max, the whole late 90s psychanalysis thing was just unnecessary.

>>85434020
True, but it's mostly because Rome came too early, it would have had 5 seasons if it came in the 10s.

>>85430208
Confirmed faggot

>>85436046
You should have kept it to an appropriate minimum

>>85440422
USA is nowhere near it's winter stage.
Surveillance levels are laughable by historical standards, downright lax by modern ones.

I'm speaking as a french dude who lost his empire 3 generations of superpowers ago.

It's a geopolitician's favorite game to predict the end but every fucking fast rising nation since ww2 was forecast to overshadow the US and they can't. Growth hits diminishing returns and no one quite knows how to surpass the US the same way the US dominated eveyone post ww2.

Everyone thought Japan was going to do it in the 80s, pop culture was obsessed by it and they stalled. China is slowing down the same way.

If you check IMF gdp growth rates and consensus population growth projections, right now india is actually growing faster and is projected to take over china in population and industrial output.

Honestly the age of the undisputable superpower really looks over; that model only works with large parts of undiscovered and undeveloped lands (colonization, conquest etc...).

Rome was an economic pit, the only reason it endured was endless conquest and draining the ressources of the new provinces. French and british hegemony stayed stable only due to exploitation of colony's wealth using violent means.
US hegemony is based on free flow of capital and financial co-dependence. What would be the point of challenging such an order? It allows for emergent country to soar and when they "arrive" they join the ranks of decision makers in security matters.

Why would china "take over" or go to war? for fucking taiwan? please. Sounds boring but the future looks much less bleak than you might think.

such a shame it never got the 4 seasons it deserved

season 2 was ungodly rushed