It was...good?

>>85421179
It was great. Way better than 99% of the capefilms out there. Dafne was lovely.

>>85421179
objectively yes

Best film of its genre since The Dark Knight

>>85421179
Nope. Good marketing though.

>>85421490
>>85421498
>>85421546
there is one good super hero movie and that is the incredibles

>>85421490
>>85421498
>wolverine can only be defeated by evil clone
fanfic level writing

>>85421579
My nigga.

>>85421582
>fanfic
Its comic in English.

>>85421582
Except he wasn't. He beat the shit out of the clone the first time, and only got BTFO in the next one because he was shot to shit, coming off a high, and his "cancer" was getting progressively worse.

>>85421582
he was defeated by age same as everyone

>>85421179
5-6/10. meh.

the kid was really annoying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8YJt6iQPNA

>>85421704
Fuark id like her to yell at me in Spanish

I want to write an original arthouse superhero film ("kino" if you will). What are some ways of writing the plot?

I don't want it to be an origin story either.

>>85421582

The point of the clone was that it was everything Logan fought being during his life. The clone was a mindless killing machine and Logan never wanted to become that. So he spent his life either running from it or trying to have something better. He was literally and figuratively killed by the worst parts of himself. It had symbolic value, it wasn't just a random plot point. Also when he died from the attack he told Laura not to become what they wanted. As in not to become a living weapon. She killed the clone, thus symbolically marking the end of that possibility. She was able to do what Logan wasn't and that's kill that evil part of herself. No more guns in the valley indeed.

you don't give a shit about his "daughter" or the other little shits

the clone is shit tier writing

absolute garbage villain

average action scenes

>>85421179

I liked it. It had a No Country for Old Men vibe. It showed how shitty America is and how everything has gone to crap too. However it ends with a positive note and I think the overall lesson is that there ain't gonna be change if you wait for it to happen.

>>85421852


Should it feature an established character or an original one?

I always had this idea for a Superman movie that build upon the second aft of Man of Steel. In other words, the only good part of it. Superman walking the american heartland, trying to find his place in the world. Talking to all the people he meets, helping some of them in whatever way he can. Minimal action, lots of dialogue. Basicalle the super hero version of The Straight Story.

It was shit, the first two X-Men movies blow it out of the water.

>>85421179
A good 7/10, which is better than 99% of cape films.

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Yeah it was "good."

But it still feels very capeshitty. It doesn't quite hit this "dark" vibe that everyone was hyping it up for. I don't care who dies, that doesn't make your movie deep. It just felt refreshing because it was using their powers (really just Charles') in unique situations without it just being about a big bad. You still have a lot of stupid shit like Wolverine fighting his clone as some shitty visual metaphor which I think they pull in literally every other Wolverine film, only this time, he literally fights himself.

And it's literally a ripoff of Children of Men.

Still a good movie though, just overhyped because the standards are so low.

>>85421852
There is no superpowered villain.

That already forces your narrative to be 100 times different and people will say that you're unique, mold-breaking, and expanding the genre to new limits.

Best capeshit movie ever in my opinion.

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>>85421860
Wow what a fresh idea!

>>85423567
Lex Luthor?

>>85421179
The only xmen movie I liked.

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>>85425381
>he didn't like Days Of Future Past
Are you mentally deficient?

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>>85425381

>>85421179
Not with that third it wasn't

It was a garbage fire. A sub-par action film that mongrels think is deeper than it is because of the cloying "muh daughter" sentimentality.

>>85422291
>it had a no country for old men vibe
I have to share my board with these people.

>>85425448
>Days Of Future Past
that's a funny way of spelling "First Class"

It really felt a lot like "Children of Men" in a way that I feel few people have pointed out.
Both have a reluctant protagonist who used to do good but has grown older and cynical
Both protagonists go on a journey to a dubious location that may or may not be real
Both are encouraged by an old friend who dies and then consequently hardens their resolve to complete the journey
Both escort a person that is special in some capacity to the status quo of current society
Both end with the protagonist dying after fulfilling his quest
There's more but you understand.

>>85425679
And for the record I thought it was a great film

>>85425679
Literally the only thing similar is there's a kid in both movies. The characters in children of men were vulnerable. The little kid in logan has fucking blades for fingers and can kill people at will. You are a fucking retard.

It had a shitty final act and kept throwing antagonists at you.

>>85425772
I explained why they're similar in ways that had nothing to do with how vulnerable the characters were and you didn't refute any of that. There also wasn' t a kid in Children of Men until literally the last 20 minutes of the film. Getting so angry over pretty overt similarities by calling me a retard is just dumb anon

>>85426052
It having similar plot points with a good movie doesn't make it good itself moron. The way the characters were presented in children of men made me care for them when they were in danger. I couldn't give a shit about any of the characters in logan. You are a retard.

>>85426195
Again, when did I ever say that because they were similar it made it good? Your reading comprehension seems to be pretty abysmal. All I said was that there were similar aspects to characters and the plot. I never once said that this made it a good film. I said I thought it was great, but that was unrelated to whether or not it was similar. If you can't grasp that then the only retard here is you

>>85426334
>wrote essay about how similar the 2 movies are and declare love for this piece of trash
>ackchyually that's not why I love it
You are literally red-dit. Your posts basically mean nothing.

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>>85421179
It was, which surprised me considering the previous stand-alones. I thought the acting was the best part but the villains could've been much better but I did like Donald's talking scenes(Since that's pretty much all he did.) and as ham-fisted as X-24 was he provided a physically imposing villain and I liked his action scenes. Me on the left by the way.

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One of the best mainstream films that has come out of Hollywood this decade.

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>>85427602
Logan draws heavily on Western stories about gunfighters in twilight. Logan ends with the moving gesture of a makeshift cross being turned on its side to make an X. The film itself is a fluke of the superhero-franchise era; it’s both violent and terrifically subtle (aided by some of the best acting in the genre).

Logan has more in common with great mid-period Clint Eastwood movies like A Perfect World and Unforgiven than with the X-Men series to which it serves as a revisionist epilogue Logan has careful, pointed broaching of the subject of religious faith. Throughout Logan, one hears the religion of broken souls, classic frontier-town Westerns, and country songs, unique in a genre that is more likely to portray its heroes as Christ figures than as Christians.

But religion is a deeply humanizing pursuit, and the overarching struggle of the mutant X-Men has always been for equal terms with humanity. God belongs with Mangold’s conception of the characters—old outlaws haunted by a past they remember only in murmurs, trying to help a killer child get to a promised land that probably doesn’t exist. When it comes to redemption, you have to take what you can get.

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>>85427602
There’s a lot of religion in Logan, sometimes obvious, the end credits roll to Johnny Cash’s Revelation-inspired “The Man Comes Around”, some sublimated into the deceptively simple but richly conceived narrative. The long middle section in which Logan, his aging mentor Charles Xavier, and the young Laura come to the farmhouse of the Munsons, a family they met on a roadside, as the high point of the film.

For a Hollywood movie, this is a very risky sequence, an apparent interlude that ends up resolving or clarifying something like half of the plot. The first scene is at the dinner table, with a mealtime prayer; the Munsons are a family of three, and while our heroes are only pretending to be one, this brief communion of grace, shared food, and shared jokes brings them within spitting distance of the real thing. Considering the bleak conclusion of the farmhouse episode (and the fate of the Munsons themselves), the scene retroactively becomes the saddest in the film, though in the moment, it appears to be the warmest. A small detail: there is a cross behind Logan throughout the scene, a small cross sitting just out of the light on the Munsons’ mantel.

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>>85427777
Of course the small cross belongs there, too, because if an observant rural family like the Munsons didn’t have a cross on the mantel, it would seem like an oversight on the part of the set dressers. All crosses are, by definition, symbolic. I like that it sits in the shadow at the one moment when Logan seems happiest, surrounded by keepsakes of a happiness he will never have: family life. Mangold’s restrained directing inspires admiration because it’s so easy to visualize a dozen different ways any scene could be bungled.

Despite Logan’s eventual self-sacrifice and his scars and puss-filled wounds (which could easily be framed like stigmata), there is no way in hell that Mangold is going to let this troubled, word-weary killer come across as a suffering superhero messiah.

Logan is almost biologically immortal and Xavier is (or was) a nearly omnipotent telepath, and there is something poignant about the fact that the film assigns a search for meaning and a need to make up for the sins of the past to a couple of mutants whose superpowers might be often considered god-like.

They are even worshiped, in a way, through X-Men comic books: in a nifty meta-fictional twist, these are presented as extremely exaggerated chronicles of the real X-Men’s adventures in years past. It is logical for Xavier and Logan to think of God in ways that characters in comics-based movies never really have. They need to look to a higher power, because otherwise they can look only to themselves—and these are men with blood on their hands, living out their last years in a near-future with no future of its own. In Logan, there’s an interplay between how much Mangold asks the viewer to infer about the characters and the parallels he draws to George Stevens’ Shane, comics and Westerns as forms of popular myth, and The Tempest, with the former mutant leader Xavier as a senile Prospero in Mexican exile, tended to by a former foe named Caliban, X-Men character used to great effect.

>>85427856
But one thing that the movie never says out loud is that the supposed mutant hideout of Eden, the destination where Logan and Xavier are taking Laura, is both a bedtime story and a real place. It lets the viewer feel this for themselves. As is revealed at around the halfway point, the coordinates of Eden (which lead to a spot in North Dakota) were actually plucked from an X-Men comic book. Thus, Eden is a place that didn’t exist but does—perhaps not as the secret nuclear bunker depicted in the comics, but as an abandoned Forest Service fire lookout tower that becomes “Eden” simply because it’s where the escaped mutant clones created by the Transigen corporation gather before crossing the border into Canada. The question of whether the coordinates in the comic book were planted there or were just a random string of numbers is immaterial. And not to put too fine a point on it, but the place is called Eden, for crying out loud.

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>>85427883
It’s an essential religious theme: faith and ritual are their own rewards or comforts, better than nothing. There is no miracle, no confirmation, no proof of a great intention secretly at work, because that would cheapen the whole thing. Let’s return to that dinner scene at the Munsons, a family that will meet a tragic end, as do so many who cross paths with the cursed figures of Logan and Xavier. They are playacting the part of a family on a road trip to avoid questions—but also for Laura. She’s only 11, but because she remains silent until the final third of the film, it easy to forget that she’s a child and not a small, ferocious adult. At the Munsons’, she briefly looks like a girl; it’s the first time she smiles in the movie. I’m of the opinion that religion is at its most meaningful as an acceptance of smallness and as a relationship with the unknown—a relationship through which we can mediate our understanding of ourselves and our responsibilities to others. So the relationship to Laura could almost be called a religious relationship. She is Logan’s afterlife.

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>>85427900
Now, I wouldn’t call Logan a religious film per se, but Mangold does spend the whole movie working off Western traditions that are steeped in Christianity—whether it’s the redemptive goodness of classic Westerns or the damnation of the later revisionist ones. There is a long history of portraying the frontier as either a promised land or a purgatory for civilization’s sinners; Logan’s highway route traces a line through this former wilderness, traveling from the Texas-Mexico border up to the edge of the Dakotas. In simplest terms, it’s the story of a bad, sorrowful man who becomes something like a father to a girl he doesn’t consider his own and takes her to a place he knows doesn’t exist. These are good deeds, but they are also very destructive; people die, many of them completely innocent. The little girl, she’s no saint either. I can’t help but think of Martin Scorsese’s recent, sadly under-seen Silence, whose conceited protagonist thinks of himself as Christ-like; through a series of cruel ironies, he discovers his relationship to godliness through the figure of a weak-willed coward who has betrayed him and others many times before. You take what you can get.

Are people who are attracted to Dafne Keen white men? I'm a nonwhite and I don't find her alluring.

>>85427602
>>85427729
>>85427777
>>85427856
>>85427883
>>85427900
>>85427914
this is very hard to read because it feels like you're elaborating about the grasping of low-hanging fruit

>>85421179
it tries really hard to be emotional and serious but the nature of it being xmen took me out of it and I couldnt take it seriously

>>85427602
>>85427729
>>85427777
>>85427856
>>85427883
>>85427900
>>85427914
absolute autism. why would anyone read this lol. This is embarrassing

>>85428341
>Logan ends with the moving gesture of a makeshift cross being turned on its side to make an X

Truly the best mainstream film of the last decade

Another movie ruined by edginess.
Funny, Samurai Jack was shit in the end for the opposite reason, but both the trailer for Season 5 and Logan were superior to the movie itself.
Why did they think having Jackman swearing at the child was a good idea? Why did Jackman go along with that abysmally shit writing choice? Why didn't they realize that having that one woman flash her tits was redundant? What happened during development that made this movie the mediocre piece of shit it is? What the fuck is this bullshit?
Only good scenes were the back and forth between Logan and the Professor, to be honest.
Some comic issues should never be adapted to movies, because then you get degenerate shit like Kick-ass and this.

>>85429409
not sure what you mean by this.

Avoided kick-ass because it looks fucking stupid, and did not fall for the Logan meme.

>>85421582
>wolverine can only be defeated by a younger, less war-ravaged version of himself
yeah, makes sense
throughout, we see how the poison has spread and affected his abilities
hell, the only reason he was able to defeat him the first time was the farmer
second time didn't work out so well

>>85421179
If you're a retard that thinks this and tdk are grounded because there's no lazors and not much cgi. If you're not a retard though, you can easily tell how contrived it is. another flick made for easily impressed retards.

>>85428341
>>85428203
>>85428341
>lol dude it isnt greentext wtf

>>85421179

It was bullshit statist propaganda glorifying Wolverine stealing Transigens intellectual property, inherently violation the NAP, and delivering biological weapons into the hands of the government.

It's a fucking disgrace this movie was allowed to be made.

>>85429690
Well if it is so easily told how contrived it is why didn't you include it?

>>85429719
why did the nurse wait around in el paso?

Yeah it's OK. Wolverine isn't a great character and I find it hard to believe anyone would care that much about him dying. The fucked up timeline of his movies and the x men movies play a big part in that. It doesn't feel like a culmination of the character. It got pretty generic by the end. There's still some cool stuff in it.

>>85429905
For Logan to have a change of heart. When she sees him at the cemetery she says "You're the only one that can help." Whether that is actually true or not I can't say.

>>85421179
No

>>85421179

Its the only capeshit i have paid to watch in the last two years
I have downloaded the marvel shit and dc cuck stuff but just end up skipping through them not really watching.

>>85429905
because she had faith that the man comes around.

>>85421179
The redneck villain was cool. He always felt like he was in control despite constantly getting btfo by supers. It was a shame he had to die in such a shit way.

>>85429905
>>85430011
>being this retarded

why did the nurse wait around in el paso like she knew wolverine was gonna stab some chapos and leave a clue to where he is. She could have drove straight to the location on the map. Instead she goes to meet up with wolverine and causes herself to be found and gets off 'd.

>>85430167
Because, as the film theme song puts it, the man comes around. The man is Logan. She had faith that Logan would be a hero once more, and by golly, she was right.

>>85421852
Detective investigating super crime. Make it noir as fuck.

It was overrated excessively-violent trash with literally "b-b-but cursing and murder makes it mature!" pretensions

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>>85430154
Agreed.I loved hearing his speeches with that sweet Kentucky accent and hoped he would get a fight scene but nope, hit with a pipe and murdered by children down the road. I'm a fan, by the way.

>>85430206
How are you so retarded? I'm askin' why she would wait around in el paso before she knew wolverine was going to appear there. How did she know going to get into a scuffle with some chapos and leave the corps es there so she could find him?

>>85430256
It handles religious themes and end of frontier era with grace. I implore you to read Augustine and try and not be impressed by Logan incorporates concepts Augustine developed.

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>>85430315
>It handles religious themes and end of frontier era with grace

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>>85430336
Not an argument.

>>85430312
She said something at the hotel "Sightings were posted, people said someone who looked like the Wolverine was in El Paso." So that's how she knew, I assumed if she couldn't find him or he kept refusing her offer she would fuck off and continue on. I'm this retard>>85429985
by the way.

>>85430271
I was waiting the whole movie for him to bust out some power or bring out some super weapon, but nope he was just a regular guy with huge balls. It makes him better somehow.

>>85430397
LMAO so she decided to stop driving the girl she sees as her daughter to a safe location because she heard there may be a guy who looks like wolverine there. HAHAHA.

>>85430376
Neither is this nonsense >>85430315.

>>85421579
fuck yea brah

>>85430580
I figure she needed his protection if they got caught. I'm pretty sure with her being the only driver/protector Laura has she would need to stop for rest eventually and seeing as how the Reavers caught up to our heroes every time they stopped to rest she might've been right.

>>85421179
Garbage.

>>85430605
The dinner table scene is the most perfect example of Arend't interpretation of Augustine's concept of Charity. If you have no idea what I just said go read SEP pages for Augustine and Arendt.

>>85430689
They only found her because of him though. They couldn't find her and then had to go to wolverine to look for clues.

>>85421179
>TLOU is just considered good because videogame storywriting standards XD
>Some years later
>Everybody jerking over TLOU wannabe

>>85422291
>It showed how shitty America is and how everything has gone to crap too.
No. That's just what the southwest looks like on an average day.

>>85429542
Well maybe if you watched the movie you would understand what I mean.
You can ignore Kick-ass though, it has no redeeming qualities.

>>85429708
Kek, wtf is this autism.

I really enjoyed it, I'd like to see it again some time.

The little girl really was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8YJt6iQPNA

>>85430820
I don't know or care who the fuck that is. If you can't explain in your own fucking words and your argument is literally >go read this book, you are a moron whose opinion shall be deemed garbage.

>>85430960
It's hard to find a decent child actor but to find one this good, Manigold hit a gold mine with this (at least in Logan).

>>85430853
Shit, I think you got me there. I still think it turned out ok for Laura though. What I want to know is would Pierce have found Caliban and used him to track down Laura if Wolverine hadn't gone to the motel.

>>85430990
I've explained it in previous threads if you care you can go and search it in archives.
>Doesn't know either of those writers.
Start with the Greeks.

>>85431015
And I told you in previous threads to go fuck your own mother.
>have to read a book to appreciate capeshit
Are you sure you're not a shill
Do you shit in the streets
I pirated this piece of shit movie just so you know

>>85431134
Reading is for your own education and culture.
You need to read Vita Active to understand my appreciation for this film.
>Capeshit.
Oh noo Logan btfo.

Seems to me you are highly anti-intellectual, and take pride in it. Really actives the almonds.

>>85421704
>meh.
Opinion discarded

>>85431194
You are a 16 year old reddit poster who read 2 books in middle school and now think you're special snowflake.
Only a teenager could like this movie.

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>>85431322
Ad hominem is not an argument.
Why are you so mad? I'm worried about your blood pressure.

>>85431004
Ok, I take back what I said about you.

Here's some other things that I found contrived before I stopped watching cause it was too much.

>large corp. couldn't brain wash children somehow
>elite mercenary lets girl wolverine walk up to them and get into her attack ran ge
>wolverine agrees to professor x's decision to eat dinner with some farmers they met on a highway and they edit it for convenient like it's comedic instead having them argue about it
>farmers invite people they meet on a highway to stop where they're going and eat dinner with them
>it wasn't me would have made a lot more sense if it was wolverine who took out the other xmen
>retarded blak keed stands his ground and tries to fight other wolverine with a bat

>>85431354
>Ad hominem is not an argument.
Kek did you read that in one of your books you fucking faggot
Your mother was gangbanged by niggers that's why you're so stupid
True story

>>85431465
I hope you sort yourself out, sooner rather than later.

>>85431492
Oh thanks Panjeet you're such a good person here's your 0.2
Sage

>>85431441
nurses probably refused to brainwash them secretly.
elite merc was a retard, common trait.
not everyone is a sociopath who thinks other people are murderers just like him.
>wolverine taking out other x-men
i don't see how since Xavier is stronger?
yes the kid was retarded

>>85421179
One of the best capeshits out there. That's not saying much though.

>>85431441
>large corp. couldn't brain wash children
Man if they could brainwash people that would solve all their problems haha.
>elite mercenary lets girl wolverine walk up to them and get into her attack range
I think this was honestly his best move. He takes the stance of a scolding parent in this scene to try to talk her down since he knows her powers and he knows shooting is useless since he orders his men to stop shooting later. What he really needed was some guys in the group with those harpoon guns to move forward when he gave the command since I do think she could dodge at range if he had done that from the start but not when she was close.
I don't think the nice Christian family inviting people helped them to dinner was unrealistic but Wolverine definitely should've argued to keep moving.
>it wasn't me would have made a lot more sense if it was wolverine who took out the other xmen
Probably, but I think it was fine in the case of signalling to a brain-addled old man that he it wasn't what he thought.
>retarded blak keed stands his ground and tries to fight other wolverine with a bat
Fight or flight is a hell of a drug, I'm with you I would've ran and yelled for my parents to run.
Despite the farm scene's problems I do think we get some nice scenes like the dinner table and Xavier's "I don't deserve a perfect night speech." A shame Logan never got to hear it.

Why is this surprising? James Mangold is a good director and, fresh off Deadpool, they let him do what he wanted.

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>>85421179
ir was like a worse version of Last of Us

So still pretty good

>>85432125
I didn't consider him much of a director before Logan. Maybe I need to revisit his older work.

>>85421860
It was more just Logan having the same pain, agony, suffering, and mortality imposed on himself that he had imposed on others his entire life, which is alright as a thematic element.

It would have been much better if X-24 was Sabretooth though.

>>85432189
I didn't liek this game because the gameplay was so boring.

>>85432246
The gameplay wasn't the point. It's daddy simulator.

>>85432300
I consider gameplay the point of games.

>>85432349
then maybe that game wasn't for you

>>85423879
How can anyone get away with this 3 times? Scott Frank is an ultimate hack writer.

I didn't like it.
Caliban was just the dude from Fury Road with the same make-up instead of some alien looking dude.

Wtf was with the girls friends. They were like poster childs for multiculturalism bullshit, so much tokenism

and the fat black kid wtf

why are all Xmen movies cringe and have moments where people look like retards using their super powers

>>85432782
>7
x-men have always been about the minorities bruh

>>85432782
She's not white either to be fair.

>>85421179

It would've been better if it had a better villain(s). The second Professor X died it lost a lot of it's steam and it became boring. The first half was marvelous.

I don't give a shit about a discount Christopher Walken and your run-of-the-mill psycho mercenary.

Psycho Wolverine was kind of interesting but we already have a Wolverine.

>>85421179
It's funny to me how all you faggots cry about capeshit yet still go out to watch literal capeshit.

>>85432782
its because all the kiddos were the kiddos of various x-men as well as random kidnapped spiccs.