What exactly makes one quirky sci-fi film a huge success and

>>85391124
One has been elaborately marketed, focus-tested and then reshot over and over again to tick all the relevant boxes while the other is the result of a director going wild with his shit with almost zero marketing.

This is why cinema is dying.

>>85391154
Cinema has always been a business.

>Dane Dehaan and Cara D
is there any possible worse lineup for a major sci-fi film

One was marketed to look fresh, comical, and fun.

The other was marketed as something only huge nerds would care about.

>>85391124
Valerian looking like Star Wars in a era that property is own by Disney.

it was bound to fail.

Likable characters usually

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>tfw Girls Trip made nearly twice as much even though it was shown in 1000 less theaters.

>>85391124
Because people like man and woman and hate boi and girl

And French people in general

>>85391124
>cara delememe

>>85391124
one has likable Chris Pratt and Dave Bautista.

and the other has Cara Delevingne and someone that looks like a male Cara Delevingne.

>>85391124

one on the left's actually good. also it panders to the reddit/meme market. also it's a sequel to a surprise smash-hit from recent years starring several breakout stars, and it's part of a wider marketing campaign for a cinematic universe that's been going along for 10 years. as much as all these 'cinematic universes' and endless sequels are getting annoying as hell they definitely give the audience a feeling of reward, arc and continuity if they stay engaged in the film, rather than a one-off CGI wankfest. Not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but it appeals to audiences. The marketing for the MCU is far superior, even with something like Homecoming where they had to deal with the Sony execs being absolutely terrible at their jobs and fucking everything up. I saw a short advert for Valerian focussing on Delevigne's character and it just had her beating up a bunch of men aliens and then literally ended on the words 'Girl Boss'.
Valerian's also actually a smaller scale production, not associated with one of the massive Hollywood distributors like Disney or Fox or whatever (look at the list of films distributed by STX Entertainment like Valerian is, it's just no-name flop after no-name flop). It's more of an autistic passion project for Besson, and alienates audiences (especially those in the US) by not really starring big current acting names and giving them no appealing reference points. 'Come watch this movie, it's basically a rehash of one of the director's other films from the 90s, which itself copied a lot from the original comic book that this film is based on! doesn't that sound enticing?'

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bad casting for starters

>lmao, let's higher some teen models who look like they're siblings

>>85391124
is one supposed to understand who or what "valerian" is by looking at the poster?

One has Disney Marvel's name attached. The other is some random french comic no one has ever heard of.

Good casting
Likeable characters
Better dialogue
Better effects
Better music

I remember from the trailers leading up to the release of Valerian not exactly knowing what the hell it was about. Just that they were in space, there were other creatures and shit happened. It was like when John Carter came out, it was vague as fuck but I went and saw it and it was alright. I'm probably gonna wait till it goes to directv cinema to check out Valerian.

>>85391786
No, you're supposed to understand that by watching the movie.

>>85391211
>Cinema has always been a business.
not really true and also makes no sense.

>>85391124
anything with the Marvel tag on it is guaranteed to be a success. Marvel is the McDonald's of cinema at this point

>>85391327
>Valerian looking like Star Wars
it's the other way around you fag

I actually like Valerian more knowing it triggers the glasses-wearing whiners on this board

>>85391877
>Good casting

lol fuck no. That's the one thing keeping me from watching this, I hate the cast.

>>85391124
reminder: it only flopped by the amerifats

>>85391227
Chris Pratt

>>85391776
Dane Dehaan just has such a fucking weird face. I'm all for giving ugly people equal opportunities, even in lead roles for meant-to-be-blockbusters, but in this instance it's just so fucking unfit for the character

>>85391776
What about Rihana? That's her on the poster,right?

I went into a manatee screening and there was a few couples engaged in an orgy before the movie even started. I sat in the top row and pleasured myself while I watched them.

>>85391378

That girl in the upper left looks like she has the snapchat dog face filter.

>>85391949
We can just google the answers instead you fucktard.

>>85391124
>Good actors
vs
>Boring kids with rich parents

>>85391776
>Look up Dane
>Looks like a teenager despite being fucking 31 years old

>>85391227
Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Simon Pegg and Zoe Saldana

>>85391412
>>85391462
>>85391776
>>85392088
friendly reminder that Dane is 31

Tell me how Valerian is any different to Avatar
/tv/ will praise the shit out of this

>>85391998
doesn't matter when the comic debuted, audiences don't the origins of the property.

my statement is still true.

>>85391227
J.LEWrence
ScarJo

>>85392244
It doesn't have the annoying fanbase and massive marketing campaign shoving adds in your face everywhere you go.

>>85392244
how? /tv/ hates avatar (except for that faggot making the "x days until Avatar 2" threads)

>>85392257
when time passes, valerian will be remembered as something original and pure, while history will remember star wars just as a popular movie series meant to sell plastic.

>>85392244
It was not made by the cinema god cameron

>>85392350
Most people on /tv/ are the very least positive about Avatar
The influx of newfriends hate Avatar

>>85392350
Nope, avatar is based.

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>>85392109
>Manatee orgy

>>85392109
> a manatee screening

Dugong for a long time?

>>85391462
>Cara Delevingne

But she's well liked among normies.

>>85392413
>implying you were on this board when Avatar came out and aren't a newfag yourself.

>>85392109
https://youtube.com/watch?v=z7yePNyz-nc

>>85391124
>Question of the Day
>Helga Pataki
>blue and orange
>no chemistry or charisma involved
>no memorable soundtrack
>not actually fun or quirky
>acttors seem visibly disinterested even right in the trailer

Could have something to do with it.

>>85391124
one has cute actresses
the other has a vapid skank

>>85392381
i actually liked Valerian, but it failed because it looked derivative of a already popular franchise despite it existing before it.

same thing happened with John Carter.

>>85392627
>implying you've actually seen it

>>85392481
they want to see her getting plowed by some huge black guy not her little brother

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When are we getting an Incal movie?

>>85392651
but star wars looks like washed out shit compared to valerian

>>85391227
wasn't that the point? i thought they did that on purpose

if not then LOL

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>>85391227
Shut the fuck up Cara is a beautiful woman, and more than that. She's a start, a real star. She is going to go big, no matter what you haters think.

>>85392728

but star wars has things i know like light sabers and darth vader etc. I don't know what anything in valerian is. what is a valerian? who knows?

>>85392723
whenever Idris Elba finishes his current project

>>85392723
the comic was crap.

>>85392723
Nicolas Winding Refn lost interest in it, so possibly never.

>>85391124
I saw a clip of Valerian in the Tonight Show. It was Dane running through walls and hopping on CGI jellyfish and shit. The camera followed behind him like in a video game. It looked like one of those roller coaster simulators in a theme park where you watch something that's obviously CGI while your hydraulic chair moves around slightly.

I completely lost interest at that point.

>>85392787
>She

>>85392108
rihanna triggers something in me man, she's incredibly hot for me and I can't tell you why

>>85392751
they are trying to normalise incest

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>>85392787
>She's a start
That she is

>>85391124
>Not a single POC in the main cast
>Wonder why it doesn't do as well as GotG

>>85392890
>has high standards
>watches tonight show
hang yourself retard

>>85392960
Rihanna

>>85392481

hello 2012

>>85392108
yeah, she plays a burlesque dancer that dances for Valerian.

>>85392981
>defending Vaginian
castrate yourself shill

>>85393009
is Valerian the boy or the girl

>>85391124
I dunno really. Guardians had a kind of character too it, a sort of charm to the world and from the characters and the actors playing them.

Valerian just looks like a soulless CGI-fest, like Jupiter Ascending, neither of the main characters look interesting or particularly warm.

>>85392651
Star Wars ripped off the Valerian comic book though. The comic came first!

>>85393087
>look interesting or particularly warm.
those are both plebian attributes.
hmm...

>>85391124
Well worth it just to see Cara on the big screen.

>>85392996
>One token bit-part

Note I said main cast. By comparison, three of the Guardians are PoC.

>>85391124
I don't know why, Guardians 2 was such a piece of shit, marvel can't even make a funeral scene without having to shove a fucking joke in there

I want to see Valerian though, I was liked those weird french sci fi comics

>>85393087
Cara looks very interesting though. One of my favorite models with a very unique look to her.

desu there wasn't much advertising for Valerian

>>85393131
It's a movie for plebeians, if you're patrician why are you even in this thread?

>>85393148
>Watching a movie just to see a below average woman
?

>>85391154
Guardians 2 had a lot of marketing though.

>>85392481
what

The mc in Valerian looks like my high school bully

probably a lot of people get triggered by his looks and acting

>>85393176

She's ugly af and only a model because her dad is rich.

>>85393148
Suicide Squad

>>85391124

Those actors look like babies and PV was shit.

>>85393176
She looks interesting in the sense I'd like to stick my dick in her. Her character looked like a one-dimensional Stronk Female™ action trope, at least from the trailer, whilst Dane is basically the male equivilent Unshakable Quip Machine™.

Guardians by comparison was sold as a bit different right from the trailers, with Pratt being a goof.

Valerian is like Ender's Game. Bad adaptation

>>85391124
>What exactly makes one quirky sci-fi film a huge success and the other a huge failure?

stupid generic American capeshit ---> commercial success

That's why today’s cinema is shit.

>>85393289
>getting bullied by a twink
Jeez

>>85393222
>>85393299
Wrong, she is beautiful. You are so full of shit. Yeah, she comes from a rich family, but she worked her ass off to get where she is now. Modeling is one of the toughest and most competitive jobs in the whole world. Just having a rich daddy isn't enough to make it to the top, especially considering how many models out there also have rich families.

Cara has earned her spot. She has fucking talent. And she's been working her ass off for almost a decade. Talent + Hard Work = Success. Don't be a hater.

>>85393289
>bullying in high school
lmaoing @ your life

>>85393385
careful with those hot opinions, rlm drone

I heard Valerian was good. Did it really suck?

Could it eventually become the next Fifth Element?

>>85393112
Star Wars ripped many works.

but that doesn't matter, the public which this movie is geared toward don't know or care about that.

>>85393481
No one here has seen it, we just like bitching about every movie that comes out.

I have a person tied up in my bathroom right now who said MARVEL was the king of sci-fi. What punishment should I give this retard? This level of degeneracy cannot go unpunished.

>>85393085
Valerian is the man-boy

BD are always better than modern comics

>>85393415
I've seen this pasta before

>>85393415
Are you seriously wasting your time and energy to defend some vapid cunt model on the internet? Jeezz dude do some introspection ffs.

>>85393536
WHAT no torture basement?!!!!
Step up your game son.
Anyway this Marvel fag is potato, so potato up the ass, then potato up peepee hole.
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>85393289
>High school bully
Is this actually a thing anymore? I was your nerdy type in High school but I got along great with the 'popular kids, in fact they asked me to hang with them all the time

>>85393720
did they take you to the gym showers to have some bro-on-bro quality time?

>>85393640
Actually she replied to me on twitter one time, so yeah. And she's not a cunt, she's one of the most real, down to earth celeb's I've ever talked to.

>>85393949
>Actually she replied to me on twitter one time, so yeah.
Where are the proofs?

>>85393949
poor anon, his waifu replied to his twitter post once and now thinks they're best friends.

>>85392981
I guess you never watched late night shows with your dad growing up. I watched Conan and Leno with mine. Good feels. Now I watch them with my kid. Sorry you don't know the feeling.

Nice deflection, though. The point was I was curious about the movie until I saw it was a CGI roller coaster simulator. I am not interested in that at all. It's boring. "AREN'T THESE FAKE VISUALS AMAZING?" is a question that has been answered by the development of visual effects technology itself: "no, not anymore."

>>85391951
>not really true and also makes no sense.
Sorry but the second they could sell a movie they did. The same happened to video games. It was for the sake of art for like a microsecond.

>>85392350
avatar is boards pet

>>85392484
>projecting

>>85394276
Yeah of course its a business.
Originally movie makers went to Hollywood to get away from those pesky Edison patent agents.
The first reels were mostly vaudeville slap stick comedy, to get people into the theaters ala Keystone cops, Chaplin and so on.
Also the Jews went where they thought lost of money could be made.
Its a business, but a difficult one.

>>85393720
They asked so they could laugh at you

You just didn't notice

I really liked the Space Oddity opening

>>85391954

Yeah except the food is actually good and you feel good after.

>>85391124
One tries original ideas, the other does nothing but references to pop culture.

Valerian has awful models as actresses.

GOTG has actual actors who have spoken more than 4 lines in their career on film and a WWE wrestler who was funny as a wrestler when he was allowed to do what he wanted.

Swap the casts and Valerian wouldve been way better.

>>85391776
>teen
They look young, but they are not teens.

One is utterly safe, derivative normie bait with marvel's stamp on it. The other is not.

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>>85396025
>has actual actors

Marketing. I didn't even know Valerian existed until I heard about how it bombed at the box office.

>>85391124
You will go out of the theatre feeling raped after watching gotg2 or you will go out satisfied after Valerian.

I guess people just like to be raped.

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>Transformers has overtly "women rule, men drool" marketing
>does badly
>Valerian has overtly "women rule, men drool" marking
>does badly
the thing with Valerian is it was actually very dishonest too. Laureline wasn't hitting Valerian, she was hitting a chick creature that took his shape, she wasn't at all like they were implying.

>>85396183
You're trying too hard

>>85391124
Chemistry between actors/characters. GotG's characters playing off each other carried the movie. From what I hear about Valerian, the two leads have anything but chemistry. Also, you know your male lead is in trouble when critics say Cara delivered the better performance.

>>85391124
Chris Pratt.

>>85392088
this, he looks like an autistic 14 yo boy

>>85391378
man, Scary Movie chick does not age.

>>85392481
is she? she was an epic meme in like 2013 but now no one cares.

>>85391124
The one on the left has likable characters.

>>85392214
what the fuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>85391267
This is the answer.

>>85397734
what's the matter?

>>85391954
>Marvel is the McDonald's of cinema at this point

I would go with that anology yeah.

there's nothing wrong with eating mcdonalds every once in a while, it's only a problem if that's the only thing you consume.

>>85391124
>What makes some movies good and others bad? They're all movies!

>>85391267
bingo

>>85391267

This, sadly.

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>>85391227
>>85392187

Is Rihanna an sf patrician?

>>85391124
Charismatic actors

>>85398159
does she get her cunt out?

I'll go see it she gets her cunt out.

>>85395875
>one tries original ideas taken from a comic book
>the other tries original ideas taken from a comic book

>>85391124
Valerian is pretty shit

Pros:
Big market
Cara is half-naked a lot
Good opening
Powersuits

Cons:
Space africans dindu nothing
Evil white general was behind it all
Rihanna
Love breaks all the rules meme
Deathbots can't be de-activated.

>>85391124
Because no one knows what the fuck Valerian is about and the actors are shit. Those two together is a recipe for disinterest.

>>85392723
We did, it's called 5th element

>>85391124
Familiarity

>>85391124

Guardians has a popular premise and a cast that general audiences seem to really love.

Valerian is based on an ancient comic book that no one has given even an iota of a fuck about in 40 years and is led by 2 actors no one gives a fuck about.

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>>85392787
Kek (笑´・艸・) Let's hope so !! She starts lookin alike a young Susan Sarandon, eh anon.