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CATS IS DOXXING MONGO IN THE STREAM

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Nardumb reporting in.

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Obligatory

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Based piss waifu.

Would she piss in my mouth, /who/?

CHOOSE WHAT TO STREAM!

http://www.strawpoll.me/13519325

CHOOSE WHAT TO STREAM!

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what flavor of twink companion do you think we'll get

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>>85384769

ofcourse

>>85384771
you haven't seen the doctor's wife?

So.

Is Gatiss playing a completely new character or is he portraying a younger Brigadier.

>>85384774
I think it'll be the Brigadier's dad, given their oblique comments about the character (being "resonant" of Classic Who implicitly different from a huge fixture of it) and the age issue, although that's hardly stopped Brigadier stuff before

>>85384809
nope. i didn't watch series 6 as it broadcast for whatever reason. ive since sorta rectified that error by watching most of the arc eps, except i never got around to wedding. probably for the better desu

>>85384842
He's the fairy godmother who turns the doctor into a woman.

THE DOCTOR'S WIFE wins with 5 votes

give me a (You) if you're interested in watching. i don't want it to be the 5 people who voted for it only in the stream

we can watch the rescue too, tomorrow or the day after. seeing as its a very close second

>>85384901
REE 11 instead of 1
That's a kino episode though
I'm in

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Scaroth reporting in.

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cytu dot be slash r slash cats12cats12cats12

Everyone interested also get in and add some tunes while we wait for it to fill up

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Clara reporting in.

>>85384983
There's 3 of us in casualwhostream lmao

>>85384983
cytu.
be/r/cats12cats12cats12

Daily thread reminder that Tardis scarfices herself to save The Doctor in this year Christmas Special turning him into woman. Screencap this ;-D

Reminder season 11 writing is well underway

Jack Whitehall is the new companion

>>85385029
No Gatiss is Cho Je and he pushes the regen into a woman

>>85385104
Like Foreman was "well on its way"?

>>85384691
So did Bill become some sort of Cosmic Lesbian?

Doctor's Wife stream begins in about 12 minutes from now. Get comfy and join in >>85384983

>>85385158
Yes she literally has Bad Wolf tier powers now, but she is too dumb to use them.

>>85385221
no.

5 MINUTES TO THE DOCTOR'S WIFE >>85385221

CATS IS DOXXING TWINKANONS DISCORD IN THE STREAM

He has no desire to enter your place of residence.

If the doctor burned up the swimming pool, how was it still there in journey to the centre?

>>85385631
He burned up the pool to go outside the universe, he probably installed it back on.

>>85385631
it was the summer pool, not the winter pool

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>stream
>edge not in it
GET THE FUCK IN EDGE!

>>85385820
I just spent two hours reading a 16,000 word kilgrave fic I was distracted

all right all right gimme a minute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmELIRcuuXY

>>85386033
>"I'm not a real doctor."
What did she mean by this?

What's /who/'s opinion on the fact that Bill is coming back for the Christmas special?

>>85386247
we all knew it was going to happen bc filming, and there's no reason why it couldn't happen given how bill left

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>>85386247

>>85386247
Quoting myself

"Anyone else a bit disappointed Bill is in Twice Upon a Time?
I like Bill a lot. I wasn't a huge fan of her ending in The Doctor Falls but liked to headcanon she legit died and the Heather stuff was either a dying dream or an actual spiritual experience, and 12 just uhh magically got back in the TARDIS somehow.
Won't really be able to headcanon that neatly after the special. Of course that's not a valid complaint or anything, Moff clearly didn't intend that interpretation as the dominant reading, but I dislike how superficially close Bill's ending is to Clara's (they are nothing at all alike thematically or even character-wise, but the surface is...really similar).
One thing I get leery of with Moff is how reticent he is to leave characters alone. Maybe Bill's part in the special will be perfect, but I'm a bit sketchy about it at the moment. Here's hoping it all works well."

>>85386463
Yeeeeah I feel like they're fucking her ending a tad but guess we'll have to see

>>85386523
Quoting myself

"Yeah I agree Edge, luckily we have plenty of months to worry about it!"

>>85386463
What? How does 12 get back to the Tardis if Bill's stuff with heather was a dying dream? Also i'm glad shes back, 12 deserves a happy ending, he's had a hard life.

https://twitter.com/NicholasPegg/status/889422860439232513

>>85386696
That's why I laughed at "12 just uhh magically gets back", because clearly it doesn't really work or make sense, it's just a silly idea of mine.
And I'm a sucker for tragedy

it's interesting seeing how they filmed around the coral tardis in the doctor's wife, they managed a lot more different camera angles than was used under RTD
it's like RTD made a conscious choice to make the tardis look like a flat set

>>85386750
RTD never really had the more cinematic vision Moff had, just different styles. It's partly why 11th Hour looks so much more higher budget right away

>>85386780
they're writers, not directors

>>85386856
moff is a showrunner and definitely has some say in the direction of direction

>>85386856
They're showrunners, not writers. They hire the directors and DPs and tell them their vision.

piss opening when?

>>85386879
He's not the one behind the camera filming though

>>85386893
Ohhh tomato tomatoe

>>85386909
>He's not the one behind the camera filming though
he's the one who tells the one behind the camera what he wants to see

>>85386750
rtd had no taste
that's why we got stuff like the slitheen etc

Yo, what happened to the discord

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Done

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>>85386926
>the one behind the camera what he wants to see
>slap me some titties here!
>more cleavage! MORE cleavage!
>clacla

Doctor Who is dead.

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>>85386952
But Matt is already dying of Thiccness

(but he should kill himself)

Well that was a fun episode wasn't it?

>>85387010
>>85386952

fuck offerino rude cunts

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>/who/ presents:
DOCTOR WHO: SHIT TRIPS Vol. 2
- The Anthology -

>Are you a true fan of Doctor Who?
>Have you ever written down a sequence of words?

If the answer is yes or no, then you are ready to contribute a literary masterpiece to the second /who/ collection of original Doctor Who-based short fiction.

/who/ did it once. Now, we're gonna do it again! Yet another entry in an age-old tradition of p̶a̶c̶k̶a̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶f̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶g̶e̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ / celebrating the magic of Who and the talent of a community.

There are no limits (except the story must be at least 1 word long, and preferably not in excess of 10,000, it's short fiction you fuck).

>- Can involve any Doctor(s), companion(s), side characters, spinoff characters and beyond, as your heart desires
>- Can be in any style, whether it's "legitimate writing", "pisstake", or "shitpost".
>- Can be about absolutely anything
>- The main focus is on good fun in the vein of the wiki, although serious entries are allowed. (If you're going to write smut, maybe approach it with a degree of levity)

Stuck for ideas? Try starting with your favourite TARDIS team (or for timeliness, Whittaker 13th Doctor) and one of these authentic titles:
http://www.saberpunk.net/DoctorWho/DoctorWhoSerialGenerator.php
https://glyphobet.net/drwho

We are going to be starting an index on the wiki for the collection. Anyone can contribute, no signups/pitches required. If you have ideas, feel free to broadcast them.
The rest is self-explanatory. Format for uploading your work is up to you, as long as it can be conveniently copied across (and ideally don't spam long texts in /who/ directly). (Pastebin works well.)

BONUS: Anyone who wants to do cover art or "illustrations" is encouraged.

WE need more entries for classic as well as NuWho Doctors. Entries for Thirteen are accepted as well. Aug 3rd is deadline.

>>85387042
Here's a list of Doctors that still need stories:

First Doctor
Second Doctor
Third Doctor
Fourth Doctor
Sixth Doctor
Tenth Doctor
Eleventh Doctor
Kris Marshall Doctor with Anri Okata companion
Morbius Doctor fics

More Thirteenth Doctor stories would be nice as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYik7wh1j8

>>85387118
Here's a list of Doctors that still need stories:
.

>>85387118
I posted my Class fic last thread.

>>85387144
I will only watch this if 5 and 6 are arguing about a female doctor

>>85387161
That wasn't that funny.

>>85387256
I'll check it out.

>>85387144
T H I C C

people are so forgiving of the tennant years but over critical of the other seasons.

like could you imagine if capaldi was asleep all of deep breath and his second episode was new earth, and then a werewolf ep.

or if he spent all of s10 mourning clara and comparing bill to her.

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could this be the planet of the chumbleys?

>>85387448
100%. It's maddening.

>>85387256
Thanks. I got it.

I'll have to write another Class fic.

>BEHWNER JEHWK

>>85387511
what?

>>85387546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSLbyVAepNo

The christmas special looks GOAT.

>>85387612
it looks like literal kino

Edge, get back in the stream and no one gets hurt.

>>85387611
WHAT?

>>85387768
Post a picture of Tennant, that'll get his attention

>>85387611
silents dindu nuffin they a good boy

>>85387448
It's called nostalgia, when Series 11 airs we'll end up with another group of people who shit all over Chinballs and refuse to criticise Moffat for anything.

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Don't forget to click below to subscribe to the Official Doctor Who Youtube Channel.

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>>85387611
>fast forward to Spring 2018
>Series 11 starts
>The SJWs start eating Jodie alive when they realize it's not all they wanted
>mfw /who/ ends up defending Jodie more than the SJWs who asked for her

Seriously, these people are mentally ill

Working on a remix of "Don't forget to click below" as a DW theme.

>wait for me

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>>85387611
Why does anyone listen to her opinion on anything?

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Who else saw the ad for this Jodiekino on BBC1 just now?

>>85387996
>fast forward to spring 2018
>fna is still bragging about avoiding a ban
>then gets global banned yet again
>then complains all the time yet again
>to anyone that laughs at his idiocy, he just goes "REEE YOU JUST HATE JENNA NOODZ"

Seriously, FNA is mentally ill

>>85387996
I feel like /who/ got over it really fast.

>>85388034
beause she used to be a part of a prominent fan series

>>85387996
You're probably not far from the truth desu

>>85388063
/who/ was all for Jodie it was just the /pol/fags who came in during the hype

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>>85387859
You make it sound like pic related is how you get ahold of me or something

>>85388063
she's a good actor and the genderbent regen was set up enough that it made story sense. only people who really cared were already very politicised

>>85388110
>deleting internet history takes off my trip
oh right

>>85387768
What are you playing?

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>>85388063
All the polfags left- Series 10 triggered them too much already. So now the only people really left that are against it here are the people with legitimate lore/writing concerns.

I think most people are comfortable with it now since Missy was Delgado tier, so it's easy to see Jodie succeeding.

>>85388110
Put on your trip!

>>85387118
Writing a third doctor holmes-style romp. It will be a direct sequel to mind of evil and I'm hoping to tie together a few other stories into it.

Its a bit difficult to do actually. Keeping stuff short with the third doctor is weird because I want to do more elaborate action sequences that I can't do with 5 or 9. Plus theres all these trademark mannerisms you have to include to make him feel pertwee-esque.

>>85388197
is the third doctor dabbing

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>>85388060
>Homo still triggered by boobs like a whole year later

Wonder if they'll have a good Dalek episode for 13's first season? It's always either a "Dalek Episode" or "token Dalek appearance so we don't lose the rights" season.

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Where did everything go so fluffy

>>85388142
You should delete your internet history more often.

>>85388293
>he looks younger in the second shot

what kind of magic is capaldi using?

>>85388224
That's the joke

>>85388375
The magic of a soft camera lens and makeup, ya twat.

>>85388260
One can only hope anon, they took a well deserved break this season... We'll have to see how Chibs handles them.

>>85388293
>>85388375
http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Aging_backwards

>>85388293

Wish he had longer hair from the start, he looks great.

>>85387448


People aren't forgiving of Tennant's run. People were overly-critical, and still are, because he remains the most popular Doctor with normies and 4chan is a contrarian board. Now that enough time has passed, people are offering more balanced interpretations and appraisals.

People adore Capaldi, Smith and Moffat on this board, and have done for the last 6 seasons. It's only recently more and more people have started to criticise the Moff years in /who/. It's working in reverse.

>>85387448

I didn't have a problem with the Doctor grieving what amounts to a dead lover. I had a problem with the Doctor deciding to destroy all time and space because his bestie got zapped for being a retard and then having his mind-wiped because emotional consequences apparently terrify nerds.

>>85388450
I've seen a fair few /who/res other than me who are v critical to matt's years but very kind to capaldi's, there's a decent sized group there

i suppose there are people who love 9s series but not tennant's series too though. always some nuance

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Episode ends with Bill and the Doctor kissing as lesbians, fade to black, fade back in 6th doctor is lying at console, he gets up holding his head, 'My god, that gas really messed with my head'' 8,9,10,11,12 and 13 never happened.

>>85386926
No, he hands over a script and then the Director and Cinematographer takes it from there.

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I like capaldi's grandma hair

>>85388450
>People aren't forgiving of Tennant's run. People were overly-critical, and still are,
you must be new.

>>85388501
what? rose didn't die.

>>85388589
He's the producer, I'm sure he does a lot more than just write a script and give it to the crew to fuck with.

>>85388600
who doesn't?

>>85388603
People was always over critical with NuWho even with RTD anon. It's just that it's more vocal now because of social media sites.

You must be a newfag if you didn't know that

>>85388589
lol that it not how it works in the slightest

>>85388603

>what? rose didn't die.

He still lost Rose forever, and could never see her again.

>you must be new.

Are you new? You're definitely oblivious. I see one person in this thread defending RTD, and a bunch of people jumping on the "waaahhh poor Capaldo" bandwagon. There's apparently a common understanding that people are overly forgiving for RTD and yet too critical of Moff, and yet this thread isn't full of criticisms of Moff, but defences of him and Capaldi.

>>85388501
So I can half agree with that. After the whole Rose thing, 12 going out of his way to do more for Clara is weird.

But that said I prefer the mind wipe on The Doctor as opposed to mind wiping the Companion like they did with Donna. If you wipe the companion it's of no consequence because the doctor moves on anyways and their entire character arc is moot, making the last series moot. If you wipe the doctor we still have to adventure with the doctor, so we get to have some subtle characterization changes and try new things with the new companion with less angst over the leaving.

>>85388765
>lost Rose forever
>she keeps coming back

>>85388765
>He still lost Rose forever, and could never see her again.

she came back in series 4...

>>85387448
Not just the Tennant years. Everyone keeps saying how Capaldi got shit writing, but no one says the same about Smith anymore, even though shitting on S06 and 07 was all the rage at the time (and for good reason sometimes).

S02 is downright awful but it was so long ago that people have forgotten about it. It's like those YouTube comments saying "muh Kill the Moon, capaldi's episodes suck amirite guise" even though Tennant had at least 5 or 6 of the most dreadful episodes of NuWho.

>>85388767
Maybe not in this thread but we once had a solid 5 thread run onseason about "RTDCHADS!"

>>85388560

god i wish mcgann had more screentime or a spinoff

>>85388838
And then back into the parallel dimension she went, kek

>>85388761

Yes it is? It's a commonplace in the film industry that a script-writer shouldn't tell a director how to shoot a scene. It's why you don't see "shot/ counter-shot/ wide-shot/ big swoopy go-pro thingy" in the stage directions. Funnily enough, script-writers don't tend to know an awful lot about directing, shooting or framing.

>>85388694
What kind of influence do you think he had?

>>85388838
Which he didn't know when he was moping in series 3. Funnily enough, the Doctor didn't have access to the production notes for series 4. Don't be retarded, use your brain.

>>85388871

Season 2 wasn't any more or less awful than the Smith or Capaldi nadirs. Like every season, it had good episodes and bad episodes. >>85388898
>

>>85388107
this

>>85388965
He'd have a lot of influence considering he's the showrunner.

I'm sure he could at least suggest to them that he wanted to go for a certain look.

>>85388932
Well theres always shada...

>>85388898

Whoops, clicked just before my last post went live.

Yeah, the RTDchads was a meme that got maybe one, maybe two replies a thread, if it got any replies at all, and even then, it was done in ironic fashion.

>gatiss and whithouse both playing soldiers
>yfw harness is the whiny pacifist who gets killed immediately

>>85388871
yeah if you ask people what the "shit writing" is they just cherrypick stuff like kill the moon as if every doctor doesn't have some bad episodes.

tennant literally had daleks in manhattan, evolution of the daleks, 42, and the lazarus experiment BACK TO BACK in series 3.

and love and monsters and fear her in series 2 as well.

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>tfw the Doctors inspire the Christmas truce

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>>85388293
Mid-length is best

>>85389049
>it had good episodes and bad episodes
It had only 3 good episodes and the rest are bland or shit.

At least S6 and S7 had more than that

>>85389174
Fuck you are right that will happen. Or more likely the other way around it'll inspire them. Lose the trip though.

>>85388965
Moffat isn't a "writer". He's the showrunner. That involves running the show. He doesn't just write the scripts lmao, he's the person running the entire show, he chooses the directions, he chooses how the budget is allocated (including VFX, sets, etc), he chooses the visual style. The muted style of s8 and s9 isn't an accident, it's an intentional choice, and one he didn't do for Matt's era. For a reason.

Of course scripts don't tell directors how to do their jobs. But showrunners tell directors what style they want.

TV isn't like film, the director isn't the one calling the shots on TV, TV is a writer's medium (a showrunner's medium). Shows have multiple directors sometimes not even demarcated by ep but by locations and segments, everything is masterminded by the showrunner. S10 having new directors working in styles new to the show (eg The Pilot and Smile have a noticeably more cinematic, dreamier style than most eps) is down to the showrunner deciding to go for that, it's not like the directors get the scripts and just go "i'm gonna do X style lmao" and the showrunner has to deal with it.

Have Colin Baker and Davison debated yet

>>85389213
Seriously, show runners are basically every single job in production, final day on EVERYTHING. Moffat goes to.the timing and can basically direct on his own if he must

>>85389049
>Season 2 wasn't any more or less awful than the Smith or Capaldi nadirs. Like every season, it had good episodes and bad episodes.
Season 2 was absolutely horrible.

Every episode apart from Girl in the Fireplace and maybe Doomsday just because of the ending ranges from mediocre to outright horrible.

No other season of NuWho is that irredeemably shitty.

>>85389066

He really didn't. At best, he'll have input in which directors he hires for which episodes, but even that's limited by budget, availability, interest, etc. "I like their style" is as far as you can go, given that budget also heavily dictates location, set dressing, props, digital effects, etc. Google Chris Chibnall's comments on the Beast Below - actually, I'll do that for you.

>I’m not sure I agree with that. I think these things often come down to the vagaries of production. The Beast Below is probably one of Steven’s best ever scripts, and the production of it was so not what was in the script. I remember watching that and thinking, ‘Oh,’ because it’s a really beautiful, operatic visual piece of writing. It’s bigger than The End of the World, but actually the way the visuals went, something wasn’t quite right on the production of that. The tone of it is odd as well, the tone of it is not the tone of the script. And tone is something that often goes unrecognised as a key component in things

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/features/interviews/4597-interview-chris-chibnall-part-2-doctor-who-and-beyond

>>85389278
>not based beast episodes

Post pleb filter episodes of Doctor Who
>The Web Planet

>>85389213
>>85389273
See
>>85389317

>>85389340
Genesis of the Daleks. If you watched Genesis of the Daleks and fondly remember watching on your tele, I have some sad news.

You might be old.

>>85389152
>tennant literally had daleks in manhattan, evolution of the daleks, 42, and the lazarus experiment BACK TO BACK in series 3.
To be fair he also had Human Nature, Family of Blood, Blink, Utopia, Sound of Drums and Last of the Time Lord back to back as well.

>>85389340
Sleep No More

>>85389381
What?

>>85389396
Human Nature/Family of Blood is crap

>>85389278
It's got the Satan/ Ood 2-parter, School Reunion, the Cybermen episodes and the finale. Girl of the Fireplace is one of the worst episodes in the run, most of the rest are inoffensive filler, like the Werewolf and New Earth episodes - although I liked New Earth - while the only real disaster is Fear Her. Love and Monsters has a lot to redeem it, without ever actually being redeemed.

>>85389396
>Last of the Time Lords
>good

>>85389438
It was a bad joke

>>85389441
nice bait

le lick the moff butt lick it GUD XD haha!!!!

>>85389396
I hope you're not implying that Last of the Time Lords is good.

>>85389441
u r rong

>>85389485
>le lick the moff butt lick it GUD XD haha!!!!

Seek help.

>>85389485
>>85389496
It's real boring, sorry friends

>>85389213
>There was a very specific creature – not an historic dinosaur, almost as if there’s a lost dinosaur – that the Silurians had kept, and I’d written the first fifteen minutes of the episode, which was them arriving at the drill and it’s instantly attacked by this creature. And the day after I delivered that first draft I had this email from Steven which was delirious, he was really excited about it and I sent him a reference picture and he was like, “Oh, this is great!” And then we had the meeting, three or four weeks later, and he was looking ashen. I think Piers made Steven tell me and Steven said, “But it’s not my decision!” And they said, “Could you cut the creature? We can’t afford the creature.” We couldn’t afford anything; we could only just afford three Silurians, because it was written as four Silurians obviously, and then we had to be three because they couldn’t afford four prosthetics.

>I think Piers made Steven tell me and Steven said, “But it’s not my decision!

Shut the fuck up you fucking retard.

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/features/interviews/4597-interview-chris-chibnall-part-2-doctor-who-and-beyond

>>85389446
>He thinks School Reunion, Cyberman two parter and fucking Doomsday is good but Fireplace is shit

>>85389453
>>85389489
I am, fight me.

The ending is shite but the whole episode is really fucking good.

>>85389585

No, you are boring, and you should be sorry.

Who is a better producer, Jack Miles or John Wiles?

>>85389273
Yup. You can see some of it i r l in Fiveish Doctors Reboot. It's a very tiring job.

>>85389317
You're missing the specifics of an episode's visuals with the broader direction of a series. In the writer context, the showrunner isn't going to be backseat driving the director (except for fortuitous cases like Capaldi / Moffat / Talalay when they all connected extremely well so there was no need). But in the producer sense, the showrunner has already dictated the overall style of the series to the directors. Can't forget editing either. Again, S9 having that muted style wasn't a coincidence or something directors and postprod decided by themself, that's the showrunner's vision.

> At best, he'll have input in which directors he hires for which episodes
You're acting like that's a stretch when that's literally one of their big duties. It's a reason S10 looked so distinct, because we got some fresh blood in the directors with specific styles Moff wanted deployed.

Your point on budget, you're saying budget pre dictates style because how it limits the showrunners? For sure, but that doesn't magically make TV a director's medium instead of a writer's medium.

>>85389588
What is your point? They're referencing budget, which comes down from higher than showrunner, it comes from the studio. "We couldn't afford the creature".
Allocation of money (studio) >
Allocation of vision (showrunner) >
Specifics as envisioned from showrunner (VFX, props, prod design, costuming, acting, etc)

>>85389621
I won't apologize for having good taste

>>85389606
>implying episode where the doctor literally grooms an underage girl isn't shit

>>85389606

Good argument, yeah, I liked how you greentexted my opinion and then offered none of your own.

I think they're all decent, yeah. They're not classics, but they're pretty good. They all have some interesting ideas going on - the Cybermen two-parter has some good stuff to say about human dependence on technology, that's pretty good, and Doomsday's fun as fuck.

I don't understand how the same people who moan about Ten moping about Rose can have zero problem with Ten falling in love with a prostitute he's known for literally twenty minutes, and abandoning his erstwhile friends and companions to an uncertain but likely unpleasant fate on a desolate spaceship so he can bone history's most famous slapper.

Showrunner
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the parlance of the Hollywood television industry, a showrunner is a television series' leading executive producer.[1]
A showrunner's duties often combine those traditionally assigned to the head writer, executive producer, and script editor. In films, directors typically have creative control of a production — but in television, the showrunner outranks the director.[2]

>>85389669
>What is your point? They're referencing budget, which comes down from higher than showrunner, it comes from the studio. "We couldn't afford the creature".

>>85389213
>He doesn't just write the scripts lmao, he's the person running the entire show, he chooses the directions, he chooses how the budget is allocated (including VFX, sets, etc), he chooses the visual style

So which is it, shit-for-brains? Does he allocate the budget or does the studio? I thought the showrunner had unlimited power and is the ultimate auteur? Or is that the producers actually decide what goes into a script and how they can afford to shoot it and which directors they can afford to hire and when those directors have to accommodate digital effects and when they have to work around practical effects and oh, fucking wait, turns out the showrunner hasn't got shit-all to do with that. Artists will design the monsters, whether Moff has final approval or not - in this case, probably not, since the studio will go "too hard/ expensive to animate". You're giving him way too much credit for his alleged "cinematic vision".

>>85389641
Johnny Riles

>>85389879
The studio gives them the amount of money. The showrunner allocates how that money is used. The statements aren't in any contradiction.

A showrunner is a producer. They work with the other producers, along with the writers (and everyone else important) to make whatever show they're making.

>>85389809

>Matthew Weiner on Mad Men knows his 1960s world inside-out and likes to be across every single decision, from the cut of Don Draper’s suit to the music that ends each episode. Jed Mercurio on Line of Duty takes a deep interest in the technical aspects of filming – the cameras and lighting and editing – while Steven Moffat is primarily interested in the scripts. “I’m in charge of the ambition of the narrative,” he says. Showrunners of Moffat and Mercurio’s stature, while rare in British television, are almost the norm in the US

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/meet-the-showrunners-from-steven-moffat-to-toby-whithouse-how-did-writers-end-up-seizing-the-reins-9386825.html

Next.

>>85390030
What you said literally agrees with what I said

>>85390087
Why is Darth Celery's head facing the wrong direction

>>85390010

I think the phrase "it's not my decision!" quite explicitly contradicts your assertion that the showrunner allocates the budget. This is in fact not his decision, but the producers and managers above him.

>"I'm in charge of the fiction. That doesn't mean I booked the camera crew or checked the catering. It puts the writer at the heart of the process, but I would argue that on well-organised shows they always have been. It's just that we are celebrating them more, and I suppose people call me 'boss' now. They never used to."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/meet-the-showrunners-from-steven-moffat-to-toby-whithouse-how-did-writers-end-up-seizing-the-reins-9386825.html

Steven Moffat had shit-all to do with the visuals. Also see >>85390030

>>85389738
>can have zero problem with Ten falling in love with a prostitute
It was his first season. The writers didn't know what direction to take with his character.

>>85390178
>implying ten's character ever had any direction

>>85390076

Yes, but the argument started over the idea that Moffat was responsible for the visuals, which is the director's responsibility, so the fact that he supersedes the authority of the director is meaningless in context of Moffat's quote, which directly contradicts and in fact refutes the idea that he is responsible for the series' visual style, as does Chibnall's quote regarding the Hungry Earth/ Cold Blood - as executive producer, ultimate authority still did not reside with him, but with Piers whoever the fuck.

>>85390178
In what possible universe does the Doctor falling in love with a prostitute over twenty minutes acquaintance sound like a good direction for him, or any character?

>>85390178
Considering Sereis 3 and 4 I don't think they ever did

I don't have any problem with the Doctor fallingin love with a prostitute in principle, but the way it's done in the episode is really forced.

>>85390148
Do you understand what I mean by allocation of the budget? He doesn't choose how much money he gets given. He chooses how to use the money he gets given. BBC chooses $x. Moffat chooses deployment of $x. Not just in terms of what's in the scripts either.

>That doesn't mean I booked the camera crew or checked the catering.
You know that's not what I'm saying. You haven't once replied to my point about S9's muted style for instance, or S10's changed style from the hiring of new directors.
>Steven Moffat had shit-all to do with the visuals
Utterly ridiculous. He does not literally set up the shots. He does not backseat direct the directors. But he chooses the directors and the styles of the series. Look how different the HD Tennant specials look to 11's first episode.

>>85390281
>the fact that he supersedes the authority of the director is meaningless in context of Moffat's quote, which directly contradicts and in fact refutes the idea that he is responsible for the series' visual style
Do you think all of series 9 being more desaturated than any other series was a coincidence? Do you think directors and colour graders and editors had a meeting in the pub without Steven to decide that? Or that they all arrived at that choice independently? Or do you concede that the showrunner...ran the show?

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>>85390398
The Doctor shouldn't be falling in love with anyone save another Time Lord

>prostitute

literally what are you guys talking about?

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Reminder that books
five down, ten to go

>>85390441
>no babs

>>85390398
What episode?

>it's a /who/ knows nothing about history but tries to have an argument anyway episode

I didn't realise that SO many people had no idea that Reinette is prostitue

>>85390554
The Slag in the Fireplace

>>85390425
I like how you conveniently ignored the post that proved you wrong, anon.
>>85390030


>Jed Mercurio on Line of Duty takes a deep interest in the technical aspects of filming – the cameras and lighting and editing – while Steven Moffat is primarily interested in the scripts. “I’m in charge of the ambition of the narrative,” he says. Showrunners of Moffat and Mercurio’s stature, while rare in British television, are almost the norm in the US

From the mouth of Steven fucking Moffat. He left the visuals to the people who handled the visuals.

The lighting. The editing. The cameras.

All the things that come together to dictate tone and visuals. I refer you back to Beast Below quote

>>85389317
>I think these things often come down to the vagaries of production. The Beast Below is probably one of Steven’s best ever scripts, and the production of it was so not what was in the script

Running the show does not even mean choosing the visual style. It means dictating the narrative. The fiction. As the showrunner fucking said.

How retarded can you possibly be, when confronted with evidence from the showrunner himself of his showrunner duties, of his own avowed lack of interest in the visual side of things, how fucking stupid, how moronic, how autistic do you have to be to then try to argue WITH that same showrunner, and his own fucking words, that actually his duties and interests and pre-occupations involved the very things that he himself has stated that they did not involve? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Steven Moffat about what Steven Moffat actually did.

>>85389263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NROXgvU0UrY

>>85390446
>>85390554
Presumably Madam De Pompadour, from the girl in the fireplace?
Courtesan is technically a whore

>>85390554
See >>85389738

>>85387462
12 looks like he's reeing

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>>85390135
Cos he's on the wrong side of history m8

>>85390656
Davison btfo

>>85389738
>They all have some interesting ideas going on - the Cybermen two-parter has some good stuff to say about human dependence on technology, that's pretty good, and Doomsday's fun as fuck.


Look, I'm not going to bash you on having opinions, but objectively I'm going to shoot holes on this small chunk. I'll agree with you on the prostitute thing, but can I point out that she was a prostitute for king louis first, so its not like him dicking around with that was a huge change anyways.

My biggest problem with everyone who even remotely tries to defend the cybermen two-parter is that they go into it thinking that some small aspect of it that will redeem it.

"oh, they made the cybermen threatening atleast" "they symbolized addiction to technology!" "but they introduced a new concept to doctor who" "the cybermen design was better than the old series"

...shut the fuck up. None of the aboveis indicative of good writing. Addiction to technology as a horror piece?!? Please. It was the new milennium. Horror movies were being written about your cellphone murdering you, which were objectively shit, and didnt deserve such praise for tackling such a heavy, modern topic. Why then did Doctor Who deserve praise for their heavy handed shoehorning that essentially amounted to "a minor plot handwaiving to get people into cybermen suits".

and the worst fucking part of this lazy handwaiving? This laziness betrayed the fundamental understanding that people went willingly into the suits only to realize the horror of what they became. And its funny, because the script they ripped off had that in spades, but I guess the writers just didnt give a fuck.

So what do we have instead with the bullshit space they saved by just mind controlling them? A campy davros imitation, and bullshit rose family drama.

You want to know why none of the best scene in this episode, when the doctor turns off the emotional inhibitor, can redeem this pile of shit? 1/2

>>85390620
>primarily interested
>primarily
Where are you getting "100% completely and only" from? Lynch is a showrunner more interested in visuals than scripts, Moffat is a showrunner more interested in scripts in visuals, it doesn't mean they have 0 interest or input in the other.

>Running the show does not even mean choosing the visual style.
Yes, it absolutely does. Your own quotes do not even prove the point you're marking.

>You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Steven Moffat about what Steven Moffat actually did.
You are misrepresenting what Moffat said. Find me a quote when Moffat says he has zero input on any and all of the show's visuals. Then explain to me how his series have distinct, discrete visual styles from the top-down. Then explain why your personal definition of the word "showrunner" is not backed up by anyone else.

>He left the visuals to the people who handled the visuals.
You're quite literally putting words in his mouth. Find me a quote saying that. Don't stick to weasel words like "primarily". Find me quotes that can absolutely settle this debate, that I can't possibly disagree with.

>I think these things often come down to the vagaries of production. The Beast Below is probably one of Steven’s best ever scripts, and the production of it was so not what was in the script
The Beast Below is a single episode and had issues with budget. Series 5 is a complete series of a show and has a style most distinct from S4 and the specials. That came from Moffat.

>It means dictating the narrative. The fiction
Amongst many other things, otherwise we'd be back in Classic Who days with the showrunner split into two roles. But we're not.

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>>85390916
Who doesn't love a drashig cutout?

>>85390918
Looks like Capaldi's gender transition is going well

>>85390749
Because we spend a good 30 minutes out of a solid hour and a half meeting rose's jackass alt mom and her other irredeemable shit high profile friends. When they turn off the inhibitor and she freaks out, there's no emotional connection to the character like there was in spare parts when the incomplete cyberman destroys her family's christmas tree realizing she's a monster after being so proud. Its just comparatively there to be a fucking checkbox.

And thats before you factor in the cybermen are catchphrase shouting shit kickers with very little offensive ability; thats before you realize the rest of the original plot elements are a shit sandwich meant to write out mickey. Thats even before you realize that the doctor would have been better off just going "nah. Im good. This universe should have a doctor to fix this shit" because of just how crapsack everything is in a world filled with unlikeable cunts.

The fact is nothing of this story is subtle or suspenseful or even any good even before you compare it to spare parts. Its full of deus ex machina and copouts from hack writers rewritten by a decent showrunner who doesn't fucking understand the cybermen but needed a big villain to bring back for the finale because it was his showrunning style.

The end.

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Who doesn't love the Gastropods?

>>85390749
>This laziness betrayed the fundamental understanding that people went willingly into the suits only to realize the horror of what they became. And its funny, because the script they ripped off had that in spades, but I guess the writers just didnt give a fuck.

The only person that realised the horror of what they became in Spare Parts didn't go willingly, or knowingly, into conversion. I think only one other went insane in the opening scene, but that was never contextualised or addressed.

I mean, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but you're not so much critiquing the episode itself as every single piece of media around it. The fact that a movie about murderous cellphones was shit doesn't actually have anything to do with Rise of the Cybermen/ Age of Steel. I also disagree that the episodes were a "horror piece". Is Planet of the Apes a horror piece? No, of course it isn't, although it has some horrific moments and scenes, the idea itself doesn't belong to horror - it's speculative fiction, and I quite liked that Pete's world had made a move towards the singularity by having information bypass screens and simply be transferred to the memory. That itself was a disorienting, disconcerting idea.

I agree though, it didn't really develop that idea, because ultimately it was an origin story for the cybermen, and if we're honest, the cybermen have never actually been used well, and are praised largely because they originated a wonderful concept as opposed to the execution, which is always less than wonderful.

The other problem, of course, is that this is a children's tv show, and there's only so much and so dark you can go before kids lose interest/ get traumatised. I didn't mind that the technological aspects were a motif rather than a theme simply because I thought the idea alone was so strong. I do think Loomis was a waste of time though, so I have a lot of sympathy for your opinions, and in fact agree on several points.

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>>85390983
>tfw i can't even take the emotional inhibitor scene seriously anymore because of the gareth roberts meme

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Who remember this classic scene?

This Drashig meme has gone too far.

>>85391200
Why is it even a thing

What's so funny

>>85390804
>why your personal definition of the word "showrunner" is not backed up by anyone else.

Since every showrunner clearly operates differently, the term itself is extremely limited in its application, and for the purposes of the conversation, the only definition that applies is Steven Moffat's, who has stated that he is uninterested in the visuals but his primary pre-occupation is in the fiction and the scripts, which is in fact their biggest and most important duty.

They do not so much allocate budget for specific scripts, but instead allocate scripts for specific budgets. The script is written to meet the budget, as clearly indicated in the above exchanges, but the amount of money he has per script does not appear to be something he decides alone.

>You're quite literally putting words in his mouth. Find me a quote saying that. Don't stick to weasel words like "primarily". Find me quotes that can absolutely settle this debate, that I can't possibly disagree with.

The only one being weaselly here is you. The only one putting words in Moffat's mouth is you. I've taken Moffat's words and presented them. You've taken your assumptions and heart-felt, desperate wishes and presented them as fact.

Find one quote where Moffat says that he decided the visual direction of a series. In fact, why haven't you even started looking?

I mean, ignoring the fact that your alleged desaturated visuals are not present in multiple episodes of series 8 (Mummy, Forest of the Night) and in fact do seem to strongly differ on a case by case basis, or, quite possibly, originate with the equipment itself, as opposed to a conscious choice, please provide me with a quote where Stephen Moffat explains his visual vision for the series, otherwise, you're completely full of shit. You have no proof otherwise.

>>85391278
Who doesn't love the Drashigs?

>>85391278
Nothing. It's just autism.

>>85391278
Nick Briggs brought them back for an audio and said in the announcement 'who doesn't lov e the Drashigs?' which was pretty funny considering they're an obscure villain that only appeared in one episode in the 1970's.

>>85391319
>>85391337
I know the context, it's just not really funny

Briggs is a weirdo, what else is new

>>85391353
Don't they appear in like 3 stories?

>>85391278
Nick Briggs said this earlier in the year:

>Ann’s first trip into space then takes her to the Planet of the Drashigs, as Phil Mulryne throws the Doctor, Ann and K9 into a theme park where different species of Drashigs are about to run wld. Fenella Woolgar (The Unicorn and the Wasp) plays Vanessa Seaborne. ‘Who doesn’t love the Drashigs?’ says executive producer Nicholas Briggs.

It's funny because it's so emblematic of how tone-deaf Briggs, and Big Finish in general to a degree, is. Who truly cares that much about the drashigs, cute as they are?

>>85391290
>I've taken Moffat's words and presented them.
>>85390620
>From the mouth of Steven fucking Moffat. He left the visuals to the people who handled the visuals. The lighting. The editing. The cameras.
>Running the show does not even mean choosing the visual style. It means dictating the narrative. The fiction. As the showrunner fucking said.
>How retarded can you possibly be, when confronted with evidence from the showrunner himself of his showrunner duties, of his own avowed lack of interest in the visual side of things, how fucking stupid, how moronic, how autistic do you have to be to then try to argue WITH that same showrunner, and his own fucking words, that actually his duties and interests and pre-occupations involved the very things that he himself has stated that they did not involve? You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Steven Moffat about what Steven Moffat actually did.

to

>“I’m in charge of the ambition of the narrative,”
^the one actual quote
>Steven Moffat is primarily interested in the scripts.
^a line from the article, not his own mouth

>originate with the equipment itself
Are you being serious? Are you truly saying you think the visual style of Capaldi's era was just...from the cameras?

Do you know what colour grading is?

>provide me with a quote
We can play that game forever, but you "require" quotes proving your point as much as I would. And you have none.

>>85391439
Nope. Just the one.

>>85391439
No

>>85391459
Nah 3 different stories. Go back and watch your classic Who.

>>85391278
WDLD?

>>85391486
Flashbacks are not proper appearances

>>85391531
What counts as a proper appearance?
In terms of appearing on screen aren't they the monster used the most in the whole of Pertwee's era?

How come there's no VR TARDIS simulator?

>>85391582
There's one on google maps outside Earls Court

>>85391576
No dude. They're only in Carnival of Monsters.

>>85391656
They are used in two other serials though, I don't think there is a single other monster in that many. It's a bad example of an obscure monster.

>>85391656
I think he means if you add up all the screamtime minutes of Drashigs, does it outnumber Daleks, Ogrons, Maggots, Autons, etc

>>85391576
Do you consider The Eleventh Hour to be a multi Doctor episode then since Doctors 1-10 had their likeness projected by the Atraxi?

>>85391453
Where's your fucking proof? The only one playing games is you, and you've lost. Prove your fucking argument. I've proved mine.

>Do you know what colour grading is?

You mean the colour grading you've largely imagined?

>>85391685
The Daleks had three stories in the Pertwee era and a cameo at the end of Frontier in Space.

>>85391693
Nah I meant the amount of different serials they appear on screen
>>85391741
I forgot the Daleks had that many, do they really? But yeah they win.

My point was just that there are far more obscure monsters than the Drashig. They were used as a generic scary alien prop in Pertwee's era so that makes them at least more memorable than some other monsters.

>>85391705
I've linked to definitions of showrunner. You've pushed your own, different definition.
>You mean the colour grading you've largely imagined?
What a bizarre statement.

>>85391803
I always forget Death to the Daleks

>>85391576
>aren't they the monster used the most in the whole of Pertwee's era

That would be ___Jo

>>85391869
That's rude to monsters

>>85391866
Well it's not exactly a memorable episode

Were people memeing about the Wirrn coming back in 2012?

>>85391923
It really feels like it's just there for the sake of getting the Daleks in again.

>>85391957
sorry, 2009

forgot wirrn dawn

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>>85391961
Why were a group of literal savages able to kick the shit out of a Dalek?

>>85392057
Because the Daleks are actually really shit and always have been

If it wasn't for their design they'd never have caught on

>>85390983

I think you make some great points, but for me, Spare Parts isn't quite the Holy Grail of Cybermen stories. Because their origin is rooted in a ridiculously implausible cosmic catastrophe, as opposed to in the flaws and failings of human society and culture, it feels a little lame and cheesy to me. Great science fiction isn't really about our future but more about the world as it is today, and I felt by removing human responsibility for the disaster that led to the Cybermen's creation, it's sort of failing as a piece of science fiction. The Cybermen as they were originally created don't really say anything about our reality or our experience of modernity. The paranoia about prosthetics that led to their creation hasn't played out as the original author seemed to fear it could.

The whole concept of Mondas is to me no less of a lazy or contemptuous handwave than anything in Rise or Age of Steel, and I don't see the characters in it as being all that much more developed than the two-parter - the ee bah gum Yorkshire working-class family is about as cliche and caricaturish as they come, which makes the cliches and caricatures - which they definitely are - in RoC/ AoS more forgivable.

I agree about the scene where the Cyberman destroys the christmas tree - it is brilliant, and genuinely disturbing/ moving, but it's the only great scene in the entire storyline.

>>85392091
The problem with Big Finish is that's there's too many boring Earth analogues with boring human analogues

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When will /pol/ acknowledge that Bill and Martha are the sexiest girls in New Who?

emtiem is a dick

>>85392217
what?

>>85392199
>DOCTAH IT'S ME MAWFA AND OIM BWINGEN YOU BACK TO AWF

>>85392199
I'd fuck Martha. I'd even let her call me Doctor.

Doctor, you are not the only person who ever lost someone. It's the story of everybody. Get over it. Beat it. Break free.

Doctor, it's time. Get up, off your arse, and win.

Everyone should always remember this. At all times.

>>85392199
Both beautys be banging
>>85392217
Who dat?

>>85392199
Marta is ok. But it's Clara>Amy>Marta>>>Bill>Donna>Rose>>>>>>>>>>>>>>River

You can never finish with anyone while they can still make you angry.

Everyone should always remember this. At all times.

You are now imagining the 13th Doctor getting railed against the TARDIS console by an angry Ogron

>>85392534
Nah, I can't see it. I might need a more vivid description.

>>85392534
>ywn rail the Thirteenth Doctor against the TARDIS console for hours on end
>ywn cum inside her with no protection, the risk of pregnancy being part of the thrill

>>85391840
Colour grading takes place in post-production, i.e, editing, which the article makes clear is not one of Moffat's primary concerns. I dispute that there is a consistent visual thematic or style in series 8 and 9. You seem to take it as read that there is.

The only linked definition of a showrunner I've read says nothing about visual style or aesthetics, and indeed seems to be you putting your own take on the concept into the definition - once more, putting your own words into others mouths, and projecting your own personal ideas and opinions into objective reality. Thus far you've failed to prove Moffat's involvement in the aesthetics of the series, while I've provided links to two articles in which his lack of involvement or interest is attested.

You have to understand, you have no case, no argument, no proof, no evidence. You're relying on "well it's common sense!!!" but the interview with Moffat refutes your common sense assumption.

In other words, you're wrong, and the simple fact is, you know you are, but you have some narcissistic obsession with being right that little details like quotes, and facts, and evidence, and proof - about Steven Moffat, and his involvement in the show - have been disregarded simply because they prove you wrong, which has clearly sent you spiralling into a frothing, autistic sperg-rage, to the point at which you seem to think it's my responsibility to research and prove your own argument on your behalf.

>>85392534
>theres these things that act like ogres, what should we call them
>umm.....Ogrons?
OH THE CREATIVITY!

>>85392711
sonic screwdriver doubles as a coil anon

>>85392773
>there's these plastic mannequins who act autonomously, what should we call them
>AUTONS

>>85392773
>hey we've got some evil machines for this episode and can't think of a name for them, what do you think?
>hmm what about... the war machines?
>BRILLIANT!

>>85392820
>theres these things that look like demons, what should we call them
>Demons... no wait, Daemons!

>>85392873
>and we'll constantly flip-flop on how it's pronounced

>>85391840
http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/32726/rachel-talalay-interview-directing-doctor-who-series-8s-finale

Interviewer:

>Coming onto your episodes then, you've landed the Doctor Who series 8 finale story for a start, so no pressure! But you had no sense that other directors were bringing such a vivid horror tone to the show? You all developed this independently of each other?

Talalay:

>Well I had the benefit of being able to watch early edits of probably the first five. But you take on with Doctor Who what your script is. It's in the nature of where the writers are going. The Caretaker is a very, very funny script. In The Forest Of The Night is very sweet. And Listen is elemental horror. So each director takes on the style of what's on the page.

Int:

>When someone takes on a major role in the cast of Doctor Who, a lot is made sometimes of what it takes to break them into the show, and how they're introduced to it. But how does it work with directors? Do you get a Powerpoint presentation from Steven Moffat about everything? And how much free rein are you given?

Talalay:

>You get a lot of rein, within the realm of Doctor Who. What's so great about the show is that every episode is completely different. For me I started with these genius scripts. I think it was Peter Capaldi who said that he was taken aside by Matt Smith, and there was a secret Doctor conversation. And there was a secret Doctor conversation between David Tennant and Matt Smith. But there isn't a secret director conversation! I would love there to be!The other directors are in their own worlds too. There's not a fact sheet. Episodic directors are used to going in like that anyway.The mandate really, well there really wasn't any discussion. It was just expected that you embrace and bring one's own vision to it.

>>85392813
The sonic is a rabbit dildo and you know it

>there's these men whose entire bodies are upgraded with cybernetics, what should we call them
>CYBERMEN
FUCKING GENIUS

>>85392820
>we've a new race of cybernetic men
>i know..CYBERMEN

>>85392873
Those things that roll around and look like salt-shakers and exterminate everyone, how do we call them?
>How about Daleks?
>I... I don't think we can work together anymore, Terry

>>85392986
>>85392999
>that cybermind

>>85392963
>there will be a sonic screwdriver/vibrator gag with femDoctor & there's nothing we can do about it
fels bad man

>>85393035
>what about the s'awlt-s'haykerz

>we've got a race of explosive serial rapists, what do we—
>muslims

>>85393121
Yeah but it'll feel great for her am I right fellas?

>>85393121
Moffat and Chibnall are not the same person

>>85393212
they can't do the right thing & not go there. they're not strong enough.

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>>85388143
>>85388107
Eh I'm quite /pol/ish tbqh and im personally alright with Jodie, mainly cause she's a bretty good actress.
Im almost positive Chibby Nips will go full sjw with her tho, but doctor who's been full sjw for a while now

>>85393212
Prove it

Shit Trips entries?

>>85393266
...fuck

>>85393266
>>85393277
Once upon a time, two posts had consecutive dubs.

The end.

>>85393266
>>85393212
>>85393293
>i love disguises
>they are rather necessary when you happen to be someone's former showrunner

>>85388063
I'm mostly staying for expanded universe, series 9 and 10 were so much garbage, I don't care anymore.

I would say I don't want Female Doctor because it will signify complete turn of the show into feminist show and feminist to show is what christian is to rock. But honestly, I've given up on main continuity at this point.

>so these new aliens are a bit odd and have noodles for mouths, what should we call them?
>OOD

>>85393416
>so there's this big beast thing—
>the beast

>hey we're going to introduce the creator of the daleks and we need a name for him
>well if he created the DAleks what about DAvros

>so we have a new spin-off idea
>it's about a group of studen-
CLASS

>>85393265
What've you seen her in?

>>85393579
>we have this show about a guy called the doctor
>doctor who?

>>85393368
>complete turn of the show into feminist show and feminist to show is what christian is to rock
you wont say that when the Doctor forms babby & gets an abortion cos ITS HER CHOICE BIGOT. how is that not great drama? :^)

>>85393588
A sexy red dress

>>85393656
I need some pics

>we've got a new episode lined up, it's about an assassin killing the time lord president
>the deadly assassin

>>85393765
>we've got an episode that introduces a girl called rose
>rose
>we've got an episode about the end of the world
>the end of the world
>we've got an episode about the dead not being quiet
>the unquiet dead
>we've got an episode about aliens in london
>aliens of london

>>85393819
>we got an episode about a robot
>robot
>we got an episode about a space colony
>the arc in space
>we got an episode about the sontarans
>the sontaran ordeal
>we got an episode about the beginning of the daleks
>genesis of the daleks

Nobody knew how to name things subtly in the tom baker era

>we've got an episode that introduces a new race that holds the world to ransom and they built the pyramids and are going to haggle the end of the world with humans
>the pyramid at the end of the world

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>tfw ywn

>we've got an episode idea about dinosaurs on a spaceship
>dinosaurs on a spaceship

>>85393974
when you have the perfect Doctor, you can let other things slide

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>>85394240
>>85394240
>>85394240

>>85393974
>the sontaran ordeal

u wot

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>>85392199
I'd splat her split if you understand my underlying nuance.

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