Was this the best kino of 2017?

if you're a manchild who only watches anime, maybe

It dragged on too long and I found the plot overcomplicated. No, I understood it, it was just more complicated than it needed to be.

>>85324405
Your Name is the fourth highest grossing movie of all time in Japan.

honestly

Dunkirk

Can I get a 1080p version of this anywhere?

>>85326363
The Blu-ray. I think it's being released this month.

>>85324348
I don't even know what this is.

>>85325780
japan aren't the arbiters of taste, it means nothing

>>85326674
It means your claim is false unless you are now also claiming that everyone in Japan is a manchild. A claim that would be based on nothing more than an arbitrary Western cultural bias that has no relevance over there.

>>85326606
Is it that hard for redditors to fucking google?

>>85325780
The Avengers is the fourth highest grossing movie of all time in America. Are you going to pretend that's not garbage too?

>>85327399
We weren't talking about quality. Or The Avengers.

>>85327427
>Was this the best kino of 2017?
>Not talking about quality
Stop being retarded please

>>85326725
>implying japs arent manchildren
Theres a reason anime is so popular and theyre facing a population crisis because people dont reproduce

>>85327584
>>85324405 claimed that anime is for manchildren. That's the claim I was responding to.

>>85327668
>implying japs arent manchildren
Then everyone is a manchild.

Anime has nothing to do with Japan's birthrates, and many countries have birthrates worse or similar to Japan's. Especially once you remove immigration from the statistics.

Weebs should be executed

>>85327772
You'll have to invent a time machine first, but seeing as how they're already gone the entire reason for building a time machine and going back in time to kill them becomes moot.

>>85327715
How does box office revenue refute that claim?

>>85324348
except it was released in 2016

>>85324405
have you seen the movie? it was kino

>>85328045
Because he is actually claiming that all Japanese people are manchildren, which is absurd. And all because Your Name is animation instead of live action.

>>85326244
Hans is really giving us his best stuff lately, the music really made the movie feel more powerful

>>85325780
>popularity = quality
based retard

>>85328857
Once again not talking about quality.

Anime expert here

In This Corner of the World > Your Name > A Silent Voice

You don't know shit about what animekino really is, plebians

>>85328880
Then why even bring up the movie's popularity?
The fact that a lot of people have seen it doesn't mean they're all manchildren. It's that only a manchild could consider this film the best of 2017

>>85328913
>Then why even bring up the movie's popularity?
I already explained this and this thread isn't even 30 posts long.

>It's that only a manchild could consider this film the best of 2017
Because it's animation and not live action. That's the only reason, and it's based on an arbitrary Western cultural belief.

>>85328958
This film being popular in Japan and this film being the favorite of manchildren are not mutually exclusive statements, nor does it imply that everyone who liked the film is a manchild.

>>85329013
It was very obvious what argument he was making, so don't try to muddy the waters.

>>85329051
>he
You mean the first reply? That's me
What argument was I making?

>>85328912
Any more to recommend, anon?

>>85328912
Real anime expert here:
animekinos are Akira, Gits, SotS and the rest
your list is just bullshit romance forced dramas

>>85329080
You know I'm talking about >>85324405. You are just trying to confuse everything.

>>85329128

I was proving that Your Name wasn't the best anime drama of the year you fucking dipshit

>>85329122
From last year? No. Wait until Masaaki Yuasa's movies these year, he has 2 to premiere in 2017

>>85329128
What's SotS?

>>85329334
Sword of the Stranger

>>85329276
All time. Doesn't have to be last year.

>>85329380
That was dumb as shit.

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>>85329200
That is my post.
>You are just trying to confuse everything.
I only elaborated further.

>>85324405
I don't watch anime and liked it, went to the theatre to see it. Not many anime get a wide multiplex release in the west.
>>85325780
Yeah and highest grossing movies over here are capeshit or transformers.

>>85330000
It's not your post, the writing styles are totally different. Again you are just trying to confuse everything. This is one of the most irritating "debating" tactics on 4chan.

>>85330074
>Yeah and highest grossing movies over here are capeshit or transformers.
What does this have to do with what I said?

>>85329395
you have to taste
/a/ is the perfect place for you, friendo

>>85330154
gross != good

>2017
>watching cartoons
Embarrassing.

>>85331673
For the third time, not talking about quality. What is so difficult to understand about this?

>>85331766
Your Name isn't a cartoon. Did you get lost on your way to /co/?

>HD 720p x264
ZQ - bd hype bby
>11 hours ago

H Y P E
Y
P
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>>85331897
>Your Name isn't a cartoon.
lol

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>>85324405
FPBP

>>85331972
It's an anime movie. Has nothing to do with cartoons.

For comparison, this is what the director's previous movie looks like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIC4VSUE7q4

These are cartoons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XGm_CGzKn4

>tfw Spain, France and even Brazil make better anime than Japan nowadays
What happened?

>>85332097
>What happened?
You were having a dream where Spain, France and Brazil were not only making anime but doing it better than Japan. But now you are awake in the real world where this did not occur.

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>another shity high school anime drama movie
also best movie of 2016 right here

>>85332150
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/boy_and_the_world
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/psychonauts_the_forgotten_children_2015
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/tower_2016
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/my_life_as_a_zucchini
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/april_and_the_extraordinary_world_2016

Japan is kill. Stop watching their shitty cartoons, weebpleb.

>>85332251
>another shity high school anime drama movie
Which doesn't actually tell you anything about the movie.

>>85332272
Those movies have nothing to do with anime, and I never said I watch cartoons or that I'm a weeb.

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Best movie of 2017

>mainstream crap
>best
This board is such a joke.

>>85332044
Cartoons are well animated films and anime movies are barely animated films?

>>85332044
So cartoons are funny and entertaining, whereas anime is boring and stupid, with autistic melodrama?

>>85332500
There are a billion differences between the two, and it's a myth that anime is "barely animated."

>>85332535
If anime is boring and stupid with autistic melodrama, it logically and inevitably follows that everything is boring and stupid with autistic melodrama. You can't have it both ways.

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>weeb shit
Fuck off. Best movie of 2017 is lost city of z

>>85332552
>it logically and inevitably follows that everything is boring and stupid
[citation needed]

>>85332659
Japanese things cannot be wannabe Japanese.

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>>85324348
yes it's fucking amazing
>>85326423
2 days
4K blurays
>>85328912
>In This Corner of the World
distributor here dropped the ball on this one
maybe I'll get to see it at a festival screening before the BD's are out...

>>85332685
There is no citation, nor is one needed. This is just basic logic.

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>>85332725

>>85332757
You can't figure out basic logic, and that's supposed to make me stupid?

>>85332785
You're defending anime.... if that's not the antithesis to "logic/an emotionally healthy/non-man child mindset," I don't know what is.

>>85332919
There is no reason why defending anime would make me illogical, emotionally unhealthy or a manchild. In fact those labels are much better applied to people like you.

>Cartoon
simplified character designs, exaggerated actions, aimed at a younger audience
>anime
jap animation ranging from cartoons to serious drama
typically animated at a lower framerate though that depends on the production and complexity of the scene

>>85333011
This doesn't cover even a small fraction of the differences. Aside from the basic technical facts of cel animation and its computer equivalents, there is probably nothing that the two have in common.

>There is no reason why defending anime would make me illogical
Says the autist who said:
>You can't figure out basic logic, and that's supposed to make me stupid?
Try hard, much?

>>85333136
So now I'm not just stupid but also autistic because YOU can't figure out basic logic?

It's baffling to me that there is that one autist defending this junk. Anime and live action are like comic books and literature.
It's such a trashy, commercialized medium that even Hollywood looks better in comparison.

>>85333452
If anime is trashy then logically so is everything else.

Anime is actually far less compromised by commercial concerns than Hollywood and American television. I know you are going to retort with something about merchandise, but that's completely irrelevant.

>>85333452
>muh Scandinavian amateur directed low budget films are the epitome of art

>>85333555
>if Lithuanian cinema is trashy then logically so is everything else
This is how you sound. No, logically it means that Japanese animation compared to world cinema is trashy and not worth watching. Why? Because it's a very derivative medium with virtually nothing interesting to say about anything. It's pure junk for immature adults and adolescents.

>Anime is actually far less compromised by commercial concerns than Hollywood and American television.
And anime is still more derivative and boring than American television and Hollywood. Isn't that sad?

>>85333716
>This is how you sound. No, logically it means that Japanese animation compared to world cinema is trashy and not worth watching.
Anime is an expansive and varied medium with many different genres, styles, influences and levels of quality. If you reduce all of it to "trashy and not worth watching," then what is there to logically prevent this from applying to everything? Nothing.

>Because it's a very derivative medium with virtually nothing interesting to say about anything.
It's less derivative than live action TV, yet nobody ever says live action TV is derivative.

>It's pure junk for immature adults and adolescents.
Then so is everything.

>And anime is still more derivative and boring than American television and Hollywood.
Opinion.

>>85332368
without doubt

>>85333716

It's really not. There is a fraction of the amount of movies that come out compared to Hollywood. Their anime television shows are also a fraction of what comes out of American TV.

You're going to tell me the refined juggernauts like Super Girl and Young Sheldon are better on the regular than the Nips cartoons, pound for pound?

Get a grip on yourself.

>>85333786
>Anime is an expansive and varied medium with many different genres, styles, influences and levels of quality.
So is Lithuanian cinema. But thanks to low budget (like anime) and not many good directors (like anime) it's mostly rather bad.

>It's less derivative than live action TV
It's not.

>Then so is everything.
Again, you are wrong. I'm comparing a very limited medium of Japanese animation to world cinema. If you don't like my Lithuanian example you can compare it to American animation. It's also a genre with "many different genres" (including documentary, and I doubt there are any anime documentaries), but overall it's pretty bad.

>>85332044
ANIME IS LITERALLY THE JAPANESE WORD FOR CARTOON YOU FUCKING RETARD.
HOW FUCKING HARD IT IS TO ADMIT THAT ANIME IS A CARTOON YOU INSECURE PIECE OF SHIT

>>85333870
They are actually better than generic harems or slice of life.
But something like Leftovers is better than nearly all TV anime.

>>85333924

I think you're missing a very important point. TV/Films are there to either make you subscribe to a service, purchase, or watch a commercial.


Anime is almost exclusively a commercial itself for a manga or light novel series. It's not particularly meant to stand on it's on merit, it's to get you to read the manga or light novels.

>>85334030
Manga and light novels are also trashy. If you really think that you can compare this juvenile crap to cinema then you haven't seen enough films.

>>85334009

I wouldn't say that, anime is aimed at teens to young adults. Those TV shows are for 25+ audiences.

One is better than the other at snatching that particular audience.

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>>85324348
Trump approves

>>85334087

Why would I compare comics and short stories to motion pictures?

I read real books m8.

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>>85324348
This isn't even his best kino.

>>85334030
>>85334137

Also it seems almost all your fabled motion pictures these days are derived from your American Manga, funny that.

>>85333924
Anime has very low budgets compared to American shows, even the most expensive show is below the American average. And yet the quality is still vastly higher. It's almost like budget isn't everything and just throwing money around doesn't translate into quality.

There are many good directors in anime, and one of them just directed Godzilla and another got voted as the best director of 2016 by Kinema Junpo. Then there was the Golden Bear that Miyazaki won for Spirited Away.

>It's not.
It is. You think it isn't because you don't know anything about it.

>Again, you are wrong.
It doesn't even have anything to do with me. It's just logic.

>It's also a genre with "many different genres" (including documentary, and I doubt there are any anime documentaries), but overall it's pretty bad.
American animation has non-existent variety compared to anime. It's literally not even trying. And there is an anime documentary as a matter of fact (Musashi: The Dream of the Last Samurai). There is also at least one mockumentary (Flag).

>>85333978
It's literally the word for animation, not cartoon.

>HOW FUCKING HARD IT IS TO ADMIT THAT ANIME IS A CARTOON YOU INSECURE PIECE OF SHIT
I don't admit things that I know not to be true.

>>85334087
Manga is probably and even more diverse medium than anime. It's not just power level fighting and pantyshots or whatever strawman it is that you're thinking of.

>>85334103
According to our anime defender anime is for everyone with many genres, styles and influences. Except for some reason 90% of it is about teenagers and shitty sci-fi/fantasy stories straight out of young adult novels.

>>85334087
Manga is an art form.

>>85334170
downloadin

>>85324348
I've never watched anime in my life, I've always been even a quiet guy, feel like these emotional love anime films were meant for me but I never saw them- like a gap in my teenage years

>>85334205
Teenagers can be the main characters of many different stories, and scifi and fantasy are both extremely diverse genres.

Every time someone says that 90% or 99% of anime is X, Y, or Z, it means they have no idea what they're saying.

>>85334030
This.
Anime is an industry.

>>85334198
>And yet the quality is still vastly higher.
It's not.
>There are many good directors in anime, and one of them just directed Godzilla and another got voted as the best director of 2016 by Kinema Junpo. Then there was the Golden Bear that Miyazaki won for Spirited Away.
Wow, impressive. So 3 awards for a medium that exists for 100 years? Damn...

>Musashi: The Dream of the Last Samurai
That's not a documentary.

>>85324348
Watching this in IMAX next month, local cinema is doing a single subbed showing before it's DVD/BD release.
Gonna be glorius.

>>85334205
most of it is just adaptation from their young adult novels/manga

there are some that are adult but they, like most of our movies, are taken from successful books.

>>85334280
>Teenagers can be the main characters of many different stories
Teenagers can't be main characters in stories focusing on adults, which is the majority of any serious art form.

>>85324348
ITT faggot on asian cartoon forum hating anime

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>>85334170
story and characterisation are weak like all of shinkai's previous movies, your name was the first one where it all came together really nicely it just happened to break away from the otaku circles and find it's way into the mainstream somehow

>>85334030
>Anime is almost exclusively a commercial itself for a manga or light novel series.
This is a meme. Yes, often a show is commissioned for the purpose of promoting something, but the people who make those decisions are not the ones who actually make the show, and there's no incentive for anyone involved to make a bad show or a show that doesn't stand on its own.

>>85334322
>It's not.
You are either delusional or REALLY ignorant about anime. The quality gap between anime and American shows is massive, it's not even a contest.

>Wow, impressive. So 3 awards for a medium that exists for 100 years? Damn...
Anime hasn't existed for that long, and I never said that's the complete list of all awards given to anime. They were just examples.

>That's not a documentary.
It is.

>>85334366
There have been acclaimed movies made about children and teenagers. Nowhere does it say that a serious movie has to be about adults. And anime has stories about adults too.

>>85334418
>story and characterisation are weak
It's good for a short movie.

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dont forget that 4chan is a anime and manga forum
anyone who doesnt like it needs to go back to r****t

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>>85334480
sure but another problem most of his older movies have is the pacing, garden of words feels a lot longer than the 40 something minutes it is and placed promised in particular feels like it's 3 times longer than it is

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>>85324348

>>85324348
why didn't one of them look at a calendar?

>>85334474
You are really delusional. Twin Peaks, Leftovers, even fucking Black Mirror shit all over your precious anime.

>Anime hasn't existed for that long
First Japanese animations are from like 1916.

>>85332659
This is the answer, but admittedly I haven't seen much else from this year.

>>85334593
Yeah the pacing falls apart at the end.
Imo the movie should end after the rain season has passed.

>>85334671
We were talking about animated shows and you know it.

>First Japanese animations are from like 1916.
And the first anime is from 1963.

>>85334704
Although even if we were comparing against live action, anime is audiovisually much more accomplished.

>>85334704
So Japanese animated films from before 1963 are not anime?

>>85334746
It's not. Watch more films.

>>85333452
Have you even watched Your Name, anon?

>>85335094
They're Japanese animation but not anime.

>>85335135
Talking about television, not movies.

>>85335165
Yes, it's just another Shinkai's kitschy drama.

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>>85335179
>They're Japanese animation but not anime
>It's literally the word for animation, not cartoon
nigga, you just contradict yourself
for being an """anime expert""" you sure are dumb

>>85335453
I never contradicted myself because I never said or implied that the word has only one meaning. It literally does mean animation and is often used as such in Japan, but in the West it means Japanese animation only. However, when we talk about this Japanese animation we are really talking about a certain kind of animation that started in 1963, which isn't interchangeable with any and all Japanese animation. I'm not the only one who uses the word this way.

>>85334170
wrong

>>85324348
you are pathetic if you see anime

FAGGOT!

>>85334198
even Japanese people call cartoons like Tom and Jerry anime over there.
so why can't you do the same with anime over here?

Anime the same as cartoons have styles and tropes attached but both are animation and not limited to either things

>>85334534
just because i like anime doesn't mean i have to like garbage such ass Your Name.
it's like going to IMDB forums and saying i should fuck off because i dislike Baywatch

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>>85335529
no, you're talking about about word anime which was borrowed from english (or french, I forgot) because japan didn't have their own word for animated film.
if you think anime started from 1963 with Astro Boy then Imokawa Mukuzo Genkanban no Maki and Toei's White Serpent aren't anime? get out of here

it's all about semantics.
also, japan also considered Mickey Mouse and Tom and Jerry anime because you know, they didn't have a word for cartoon

anime IS cartoon. Japanese type of cartoon

>>85325780
>the fourth highest grossing movie of all time in a country that's brain damaged from all the nuclear radiation

>>85335678
As I just said, anime means animation. Of course Tom & Jerry is animation. We don't use anime to mean animation because it's redundant.

>>85336404
They've had other terms for animation, and yes anime did start in 1963.

>>85336621
Meme. Nonsense.

>>85337067
>yes anime did start in 1963
wow, you're a stubborn one aren't you.

>>85337434
It has nothing to do with "stubborness." It doesn't have anything to do with me at all.

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degeneracy """film""" full of masturbation and kawaii anime girls. it's popular because all other anime is cheaply drawn hot garbage
kill yourself OP you fucking faggot

>>85337576
It says a lot about the state of animephobia that I can't determine if this post is serious or not.

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>>85337635
>animephobia
deer god they've finally done it

>>85332694
lurk more, friend. truly disgraceful.

It's either Dunkirk or Lost City of Z, and I can't believe I'm saying that about a Charlie Hunnam movie.

>>85337689
What are you talking about?

>>85337699
I simply stated a fact. It's nonsensical to tell me to lurk more.

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>>85337503
> It doesn't have anything to do with me at all
it partially is. because pic related was released in 1958 and it wasn't even the first anime ever made.

1963 was the year of first TV anime

>>85325780
This is like pointing out that Nigeria is the richest African country

>>85337807
animephobia is not a real you fucking libcuck

Why do nips have to put gay fucking sing along music in their animes

Shit's embarrassing

>>85324348
Heaven's Feel will the best kino
You can't deny this

>>85337915
I am not talking about Japanese animation, I am specifically talking about the animation movement that started with Astro Boy. That's what I'm calling anime. I explained this already.

>>85337932
What is your point?

>>85337961
It is perfectly real, and what does this have to do with liberalism?

>>85337969
You are confusing anime with American animation.

>>85324405
What website are you on?

>>85338023
holy shit, you are denser than harem anime MC.
what you're calling first anime this whole time was just the first heavily commercialized anime just like Mickey Mouse was the first heavily commercialized cartoon in America.

>What is your point?
he's telling you that high gross /= quality.
because by that logic Transformers and Fast and Furious are the one the best movie of all time

>>85338669
Astro Boy started a whole new animation style and the modern Japanese animation industry, it wasn't just the same animation as before but more commercial.

>he's telling you that high gross /= quality.
For the fourth or fifth time, we weren't talking about quality. Why is this so difficult to understand, and why do I have to keep repeating it? What is wrong with you people?

>>85338774
>For the fourth or fifth time, we weren't talking about quality
then why are you bringing >>85325780 in the first time you, dumbo?

>Astro Boy started a whole new animation style and the modern Japanese animation industry
fuck it, it's pointless arguing with you.
even neutron star is less dense than you

>>85339139
I already explained why I mentioned it. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

>fuck it, it's pointless arguing with you.
Because I stick to facts instead of indulging your historical revisionism?

>>85338383
What board are you on weebnigger?

wow this thread is shit. OP u suck

>>85339370
This is a dead giveaway of a redditor, because this argument only makes sense on reddit.

>>85330000
shut up, retard.

>>85339218
>I already explained why I mentioned it.
which explanation? the manchildren arguments?

>Because I stick to facts instead of indulging your historical revisionism?
once again, just because Astro Boy made a breakthrough of spreading """anime""" worldwide and in japan itself DIDN'T mean it was the first anime created.
IT WAS JUST THE FIRST ANIME THAT MASSIVELY PUBLISHED WORLDWIDE

>>85340081
Astro Boy was the first anime. There was Japanese animation before that, but it was not anime. I explained this already.

I thought it was a good movie. I could do without all this tribal arguing about cartoons/anime/Japan/whatever faction you think you need to prove is dominant over all others. I just enjoyed a good movie.

>>85340232
>Astro Boy was the first anime.
no, Astro Boy was the first Japanimation in america.

also, good job for evading the first question because you still haven't explain why you made >>85324405 in the first place
>I already explained it
no, you did not.
because you only argue about japanese and manchildren, not why Kimi no Nawa's gross = 2017 kino

>>85341072
IMDB shows that Hakujaden was screened in America years before Astro Boy, but even if Astro Boy was the first it is irrelevant and has nothing to do with what made Astro Boy special.

>also, good job for evading the first question because you still haven't explain why you made >>85324405 in the first place
I didn't make that post.

>no, you did not.
Yes I did: >>85335529

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This moment is the most kino out of all the shows.

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To be honest this is the best one so far.

>>85324348
STOP SHOWING THIS AGAIN GODDAMMET IM FUCKING TIRED OF THIS
IN MY COUNTRY THEY KEEP RELEASE AGAIN AND AGAIN

>>85341235
wrong post >>85325780
you know what we're talking about

I'm not gonna argue about astro boy and anime origin anymore because we're just gonna disagree with each other until this thread goes 404

one last thing, you said that Garden of Words isn't cartoon and Donald Duck is cartoon.
does that mean Tarzan is anime movie and Lucky Star is a cartoon?
don't answer that, rhetorical question

>>85342014
>wrong post >>85325780
What about it?

>does that mean Tarzan is anime movie and Lucky Star is a cartoon?
No. Why would it mean that?

>>85324348
Probably one of the dumbest anime plots I've ever seen, mainly because it tried to take itself so seriously.

THE DUDE LIVED HER LIFE FOR MONTHS AND NEVER BOTHERED TO LEARN HER TOWNS NAME OR GO VISIT HER!!!

I have never rolled my eyes harder, he literally had to go out of his way to be as dumb as he was. And same for the girl for not looking up her town or anything while in his body.

>>85342571
>it tried to take itself so seriously

Shit """film critics""" say.

>>85342131
>What about it?
why gross = kino. all your """explanation""" was about japanese aren't manchildren

>No. Why would it mean that?
this post >>85332044

>>85342977
>all your """explanation""" was about japanese aren't manchildren
Because that's what we were talking about.

>this post >>85332044 (You)
What about it?

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Twin Peaks: the Return, Logan (Noir), Song to Song are my favorites.

Reasonably excited for Dunkirk as people I generally agree with liked it despite not being Nolan fans.

Can't wait to see Ferrara's Alive in France.

Somewhat waiting to rewatch GITS, it wasn't that bad and had some ideas that I liked.

>>85343134
wow you really are one dense motherfucker.
WHY DOES >>85325780 HAVE TO DO WITH >>85324405 THEN YOU MOTHERFUCKER?

talking to you is like talking to a rock. I'm outta here

>>85343449
I already explained why, many times. I made it very clear. Why are we still talking about this?

>>85343218

Who is this qt?

>>85324348
should I feel bad that this is my favorite movie of the year? a ghost story comes close though.

>>85334170
If you're a faggot who enjoys having delicious teacher-student sex teased and feet all over your face.