Has Japanese Cinema completely lost their ability to produce

Globalization and the ticking time-bomb of total societal collapse in their country from low birthrates and a culture where suicide is way more appealing than work.

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They moved onto anime.

>>85323780
*writes idiot on cheek*
Wow, art.

>>85323718
Kore-Eda and Kurosawa are still around though.

>>85323754
>in their country from low birthrates
Several western countries including Germany has lower native birth rate than Japan. It's only that Japan isn't fucking itself by having their native population being replaced by mudslimes.

>>85323817
Good point, Japan will probably bounce back and recover after the low birthrates really become a problem whereas countries like Germany will just die.

main problem is that they apparently lost all concept of lighting work and because of that everything they shoot looks like a daytime tv production.

I think it's because the modern view of entertainment in japan is such that they see movies and tv shows merely as platforms through which they move products and the products that they move is young stars which then have cross-platform career as singers/idols/tv hosts/actors/etc...

I love Shin Godzilla so I don't care about stupid kino meme.

>>85323951
Shin Godzilla is pure kino though

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Just watched this

It was shit

>>85323718
>waah Why arent they translating 2017 jap movies for me waah

>>85323975
then OP is wrong and this thread is pointless

>>85323718
Animation had replaced it, it's nice since animation is completely dead in the West.

>>85324050
that's about the only kino though

>>85324011
Eh I kind of liked it, the end not so much

Pretty sure it went to shit in the seventies. Just like Italian cinema. Hollywood ate everything. Sad.

i think an important thing to remember is that the artistic integrity borne from our grandparents generation defines our standards as a whole but those standards are not important today and nobody really cares as much about film media as they did back then

compared to our parents, who were still behind enough to chase and build upon those standards, we have literally nothing to compare ourselves to. we have the ashes of something that used to be great that can no longer apply to the present, only give us self reflection. thats why we are pretty important, but wont be remembered. because theres no room for gods or idols in our gen. that will be saved for the next, where society will care once again for working hard.

lets all enjoy the growing pains together, friends. and watch for what awaits us.

>>85324196
Go to bed

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>>85324120
>>85323951
Did you expect any less from the kino master?

>>85324236
I want the two hours I spent watching 3.0 back.

You guys are holding Japan to an unfair standard. Look at China. It's 10 times the population and the entire mainland will never, ever produce any piece of art worth of note.

Meanwhile Taiwan produces top tier kino with its small as fuck population.

I guess it has to do with the cultural climate more than anything.

>>85323883
Japan needs to cut it's population. There's too many of them On the islands already.

>>85324125
It was far too edgy in a way only Japan seems to be able to do

>>85324269
What is this horseshit? China has produced a large variety of good movies in the last ten years, hell they've released some good films this year alone.

Japanese film has been in utter stagnation since the late 80s, maybe 90s if you want to be ambitious. And their latest output is absolute dreck that makes indian cinema look like kino.

>>85324269

>>85324269
What are some top tier Taiwan kino?

>>85324418
>>85324482
t. Chinamen

>>85324269
Farewell my concubine is a top 10 film of all time. Fuck outta here

>>85324528
I'm being unironic here. Give me some Taiwan kino to watch.

>>85323951
Shin Godzilla was awesome. More anime directors need to do live-action work. Working with drawings gives them great sense for visuals.

>>85323902
>everything they shoot looks like a daytime tv production
I still enjoy Japanese movies but holy shit 1000x this. Japan needs to get its kino-sense back.

Besides Kurosawa, can anyone recommend some good Japanese films? I've seen Battle Royal and I Am a Hero.

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>>85324196

>>85323951
I don't understand the love for this film. It was people answering phones, switching offices and having awkwardly shot conversations on rooftops. Godzilla was defeated by taking a sip of unobtainium. Was there something I missed?

>>85323780
I want a Mitsuha gf

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>>85324687
>>85324196

>>85324687
Three of those guys on the left are the same person
i don't know about the other thre

>>85324418
What are some great Chinese movies? I want to check them out.

>>85324418
>>85324540
Hong Kong doesn't count though they still have some freedom of thought there. But anything that comes from the mainland is basically cowritten by the CCP and those guys have no idea about art or subtlety. I can guarantee you that any Chinese movie that is remotely non-pedestrian is either made with huge foreign involvement or produced in Hong Kong. Mainland China is an extremely morally and culturally desolate place.

>>85324873
>>85324873
Check out the Wong Fei Hongs

>>85323902
Because of that treatment, any effort towards the scripts, cinematography, and acting is secondary. Where are all the good Japanese acting and movie-making schools?

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>>85323718

Poor production quality in order to save money, everything coming out now looks like a cheap tv show shot in digital, also this generation can't produce any actors with even a hint of talent, they all look like they came directly from some hair commercial and their performances are beyond cringe.

The main problem is likely those at the top are worthless at their job and have only reached their position due to ruthless office politics or nepotism.

>>85324873
Won Kar Wai's early films up to and including In The Mood For Love

Zhang Yimou's films before Hero when he became a puppet for the Chinese government's modus operandi.

Anything Stephen Chou up to Kung Fu Hustle.

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>>85324627
Based Ozu my lad

>>85324916
Yakuza (namely Yamaguchi-gumi and Inagawa-kai) is also an important behind-the-scenes factor.

>>85324888
>888

very auspicious

>>85324888
but Chen Kaige is from Beijing

>>85324904
What movie making schools? Kurosawa and his contemporaries tried desperately to pass their knowledge and philosophies onto the next generation but the economic bubble bursting in the early 90's killed any and all momentum the Japanese film industry had, hence why everything since is super safe, tie-in garbage to a pop star or anime series, they're even more risk-averse than Hollywood is now, at least big studios will still put out a prestige picture like Dunkirk every now and then.

>Japanese anime and video games are more kino than their film industry

Why DOES this happen?

>>85324992
Thanks! I'll check him out.

>>85325058
That's sad. At least a small independent film scene exists in Japan.

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>>85324627
Masaki Kobayashi's films, specifically Hara-Kiri and Kwaidan, I'd recommend The Human Condition trilogy, but it's nearly 10 hours long.

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leave horror-kino to me anons

Are Korean films kino?
Every major Korean film made these days get 90%+ rating on rottentomato/imdb (Like the wailing) but I haven't seen them and they rate anything 90%+

Their suspense films are pretty kino though

>>85325176
The length doesn't bother me, I'll check his stuff out too.
>>85324992
Going to start Tokyo Story now.

>>85325248
They have a solid mix of kino and pure trash. There almost always well shot and produced though

If you havent seen the handmaiden i recommend it

>>85324724
This is the most misogynistic thing I've seen all day. I should be able to downvote you.

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>>85324687
>he still use this old meme

>>85325402
Is he hafu?

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>>85325454
No

>>85325522

he looks mexican

>>85325544
It's that subset of Japanese people that look Eurasian.

>>85324173
Japanese cinema is doing very well in Japan. Regardless of what anyone thinks about its quality.

>>85325068
Talent agencies control the talent (actors/idols/TV personalities) and the talent is where the viewers and money are. The talent is the product, the movie or show is just the means of delivering the product and as such relatively unimportant. Production committees in movie production result in playing things safe because the sponsors don't want to associate themselves with anything controversial, and when television networks are involved they want a movie that can be safely played on TV later.

This is what I've gathered from people who probably know what they're talking about.

Anime is a weird industry not related to the live action industry, has far fewer creative constraints, is usually not aimed at mainstream audiences, and is a highly visual medium that places a lot of emphasis on shots (as opposed to Western animation where only motion matters).

>>85323817
The vast majority of immigration in western Europe is white, non-white immigration in germany is only like 10%, the brown horde pol shit is a meme to scare low information retards into voting for deregulation and tax cuts for millionaires

>>85325677
>Production committees
Always feels like a red flag when a Japanese show, movie etc has ________ production committee some where visible.

Last nip film I saw was Harmonium, total garbage.

>>85323718
>Japan was one of the best cinema up to 5~ years ago

Japanese cinema has been mediocre for decades, I know you weebs can't admit that but jesus it's time to face reality

>>85325694
right-wing parties in europe mostly aren't market radicals like in the us, Front National in France is even outright socialist

>>85325725
Anime has production committees too, but they don't work the same way.

>>85325747
This is mostly a meme. People who have watched significant amounts of Japanese movies are an extremely small minority (and none of them are weebs). The rest just repeat what they've been told and/or what they've extrapolated from a couple of movies.

>>85325248

Korean films are revengekino. Literally all of them are about revenge.

>>85325845
Literally all the ones popular in the West, maybe.

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>>85323883
>Japan will probably bounce back and recover after the low birthrates really become a problem
>>85324323
>Japan needs to cut it's population. There's too many of them On the islands already.
Neither of you seem to know how population works. Japan isn't just not having children, it's having an increasingly aging population. Eventually they'll be 50% senior citizens. There's no real "bouncing back" from that. Labor shortages will eventually make it impossible to have a sustainable economy and they'll plunge into third world status before long. Your precious anime production factories are going the way of the dinosaurs.

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>>85325845
>all of them are about revenge.
No wonder.

>>85323754
I don't get the big deal with the declining birthrates, doesn't Japan have an overpopulation issue? Of course over a period of time it would get to be a huge issue, but at the moment is it not a good thing?

>>85325930
Old people in japan have all money and preferences.
Just cut this down, make them poor.
Boom, japan saved.

>>85325937
>your grandparents were cucked so badly by the Japs that you inherit their butthurt

>>85324707
they did that while looking good and that's all that matters

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>there are People in this Thread talking about japanese Kino who haven't seen Pic related.

Seriously though, go watch this Masterpiece. I do not watch Anime in general but this feels like a Hollywood Classic in Terms of Cinematography. Easily one of the GOATs in Animation.

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>>85325967
They have a right to hate Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RFTYDhbHqk

>>85326005 -> >>85326067

>>85325959

It's a problem when we have an economic system that constantly needs to grow or it will cave in on itself.

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>yfw /pol/ ruined /tv/ forever

>>85325192
underrated as fuck
watch it you fucking plebas

>>85325967
>Just cut this down, make them poor.
Old people make the policy decisions in that country. Good luck, commie pig.

>>85324687
ME PERSONALLY i love how they transitioned from black and white people to color people

>>85326219
>commie
Actually it is a commie thing, to make old people life better with younger people money.
This is why when your society have more old people than young people, you are fucked.

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>>85325833
>People who have watched significant amounts of Japanese movies are an extremely small minority (and none of them are weebs).

>>85326268
Yes, let's greentext and reaction image a sentence that states a plain fact.

>>85326183
was this pretty good? I was gonna pick it up soon.

>>85326300

Who wouldn't laugh at weebs that think they're better than other weebs?

>>85326347
What does that have to do with anything I said?

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>>85326327
I prefer Okamoto Kihachi version

>>85323718
they have o deal with their own local capeshit effect:Lots of Live action adaptations of anime

>>85326615
Almost all of them are based on a manga, which is infinitely more varied than superhero comics. And they've been doing them since the 1970s.

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I love this and don't even care

>>85326757
> the gold one is cool

Talking about how good/bad japanese cinema/tv is is pretty irrelevant since most stuff will never get translated so measuring the quality is useless unless you have decent japanese skill

13 Assassins is Kino though

>>85326876
There were a lot of Western releases and a decent amount of fansubs back when I watched Japanese movies. Not everything got subs, but more than enough did.

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tfw Japan has been screwed for the last 26 years

>>85326977
And as for TV, more than enough fansubs there too.

>>85324627
Try Hana-bi for something more recent.

>>85326993
Their economic collapse in early 90's was really that bad?

>>85325192
Loved how no nonsense he could get sometimes, I really didn't expect him to smack him that first time and it got a giggle out of me.

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Underrated kinonese right here

avoided the source material like a plague growing up, watched the trilogy with gf and was instantly drawn to it, shits comfy as last samurai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ed46Ae5jXQ

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Watched this last night and it was a solid VS movie, but with a shit ending.

>>85327324
>this 'acting'
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>85323780
I loved this flick but I keep forgetting their names...

>>85327363
makes no sense canonically

>>85327363
Why? Because everybody died in the end?
It is typical for japanese horror movie.

Destruction Babies, world of kanako and creepy were alright

>>85327512
No, because it ended just when shit got real.

>>85323718
Talent agencies. This is the actual answer.
If you're a director in Japan, an agency approaches you and tells you who is going to be playing which role. Oftentimes it's somebody with no real acting ability to speak of, like a pop idol or some frequent guest on talk shows. Watch Japanese TV sometime. It is t-e-r-r-i-b-l-e. So many people are famous for having literally a single catchphrase that they say over and over again. And now they're in your movie.

And these agencies have ties to the mafia. But even if they weren't criminal entitites it still wouldn't matter, because they operate like cartels regardless and you'd lose all access to the media if you didn't do as they demand.

>>85324627
Hirokazu Koreeda and Takeshi Kitano creates som top-tier films.

Takashi Miike is also there, but he has like 100+ feature films of extreme variety, so you really need to sort out the ones you´re interested in.

Naomi Kawase is pretty comfy, but you need to like more than just japanese film traditions to really get into her.

>>85326876
The stuff that doesn't get translated is even worse.

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did anyone watch the Chihayafuru movies?

The anime show was probably the last one I watched that I could say I "loved".

>>85327721
This looks comfy. Is it good?

>>85327819
The show is excellent, I don't know about the live-action movies though.

>>85327581
This is true and talent agencies are a problem, but I think you are overstating the matter. Many movies and shows have capable, appropriate lead actors, and the major agencies (who have all the leverage) aren't involved with everything. They also have less leverage over movies than shows.

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>>85327581
>So many people are famous for having literally a single catchphrase that they say over and over again.
I remember some show that was hosted by some "ex-celebrity" with a catch phrase. At some point he approached an old man and kept repeating it in case he remembered him. It wasn't even anything unique.

>>85323803
This, Kore-eda is god tier drama director and his next film looks pretty good.

>>85323817
>retardation: The post
Germany is fucked with or without migration. Their demographics are too fucked to be changed in the next 25 years which will coincide with collapse of the EU. Furthermore, Germany is too dependent on export. 50% of GDP is exports and with stagnating economies + collapsing EU, that means the Germany economy starts tanking.

Why are /pol/tards so drawn to Japan? Japanese society and culture couldn't possibly be any different than what poltards and some of their youtube personality jerks off about:

>collective society where you have to suck it up and be married to a woman who'll cheat on you because traditions
>non-white
>persecuted Christians for generations
>really degenerate behind close doors
>media is full of degeneracy
>extreme work culture

>>85324060
last I checked france was part of the west

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>>85323718

All talented people go into anime industry.

It's an industry that makes 20 billion $ annually and grows 10-12% every year.

>>85323754

It's not 80's anymore you fucking idiot.

japan is ultra-capitalist
their auteurs were just burned away faster than the rest of ours

We're all on our way there, no worries. Who do you see coming up to replace Fincher, Mann, the Coens, etc?

shitty pretenders like zach snyder that's who
15~20 years from now we'll have no kino either

>>85329034
>persecuted Christians for generations
Religious persecution is as old as time and has happened everywhere. Europeans used to kill each other for being the wrong kind of Christian.

>media is full of degeneracy
You are confusing them with the West.

>>85328904
>collapsing EU

You burgers keep talking about end of Euro and collapse of EU for years yet Europe is doing perfectly fine. European economy is actually doing better and better for few years now.

>>85329034
>collective society where you have to suck it up and be married to a woman who'll cheat on you because traditions

Younger generations don't give a shit and simply don't marry. Both males and females.

>persecuted Christians for generations

Good. Monotheistic religions are fucking garbage ruining humanity. And Japan is one of the most religiously tolerant places on the planet.

>>85329126
>shitty pretenders like zach snyder that's who

I genuinely believe that Zach Snyder is an actually talented and underappreciated director with a fantastic sense of craft who just happens to have not yet made a great film.

>>85325930
You don't seem to know how it works. They're not plunging into fucking third world status any time soon. Europe will do that before Japan with these immigration rates.

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AUTOMATION, THE LOOMING SUPER SCARY SPECTER THAT KIKE TED TALK EXPERTS LOVE TO GO ON ABOUT? WELL IT'S ACTUALLY REAL UNLIKE JAPAN GOING EXTINCT, AND IT'S COMING TO A FIRST WORLD NATION NEAR YOU!

If Japan stays steadfast and keeps their doors closed while progressing simply on a straightfoward technological path Europe will grow darker and darker and Japan will literally experience a fucking renaissance when this inverse bubble bursts.

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>>85329034
>really degenerate behind close doors
Is that an issue?

>>85329161
They say the same about California, anywhere considered a liberal stronghold always seems to on the brink of death.
Somehow they keep going.

>>85323780
Is it really that good or is it just that this board is filled with /a/ crossposters and general weebs?

>>85324687
I have literally never seen a Japanese man with a full beard in my life apart from that one image in that pic related.

>>85324011
Nigga u high ? The heavy use of music from Boris alone makes it a winner.

>>85329318
It has 98%/94% on RT and 79/89 on Metacritic. So as far as most people are concerned it's good. It has nothing to do with non-existent weebs.

>>85329251
>who just happens to have not yet made a great film
I enjoyed watching 300 but honestly at this rate I don't think he's ever going to make a great film

>>85329034
>Why are /pol/tards so drawn to Japan?
>that projection

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>>85326757
*ruins your Sentai*

>>85324512
Not him but Warriors seedeq bale is pretty kino

>>85327581
If you fuck up with your agency or break your contract, your career is in trouble in an instant.

There are some cases that if media keep trying to use a troubled talent, they will lose access to another talent from the same agency. Or if a TV network wants to use a newer talent in one of its shows, it has to use an established talent from the same agency in another show. Also some agencies are powerful enough to block what they call undesirables from certain shows.

Almost all tarento are salaried workers (usually their pay is monthly).

>>85329161
EU is not fine. You have to be extremely delusional to think so. Italy economy is going to shit. Spain isn't doing much better. Greece is barely surviving. Germany's well-being is entirely constructed around the EU at this point.

Collapsing of the EU is coming to fruition. Brexit already happened. First piece, more to follow.

Also the amazing thing about all of this is: the EU could have only existed thanks to American hegemony (or imperialism lite if you wanna call it that). America setting up Bretton Woods guaranteed a world that can buy German goods and American guarantee of security, meant that all lot of those European countries didn't have to spend much on their military and didn't have to worry about getting conquered.

>>85329711
Italy's economy is better than Russia's. I'll let that sink in, fool.

Japan has declined so much Bollywood produces better movies now

>>85329711
I agree, the SJW politics are also ruining us, illegal immigrants without jobs have more rights than us

>>85329439
Not an argument.

>>85329149
Japan tried to exterminate Christians. It's a tad bit different than just trying to make the other kind of Christian wanting to submit.

>You are confusing them with the West.
No. The anime that some hypocritical poltards love so much are full of degeneracy. Traps are sissies with less politics but just as much, if not more, gratification that influences younger generations.

>>85329227
I'm talking about culture as a whole. Also
>implying young people's opinions don't change over time
The current youth 20 years from now might have a very different outlook in their 40s.

Anyway, society and traditions are still pro marriage and pro sacrifice for that marriage. Japan is still a collective society.

>>85329439
>hurr durr what is a projection

>>85329749
>libtards are so stupid they immediately resort to "russia collusion" type arguments
Yes, Russia is shit, retard. I'm not from /pol/ and I suck Putin's dick like many of them. Russia's future isn't positive either.

>>85329711
>Brexit already happened.

It really hasn't

>>85329921
>>85329905
Stop projecting.

>>85329971
>>85329971
>and I don't suck Putin's dick like many of them.
Fixed.

>>85329921
Like I said, religious persecution is nothing special. It was not a unique thing that only happened in Japan. It even still exists. It's ridiculous to be complaining about this centuries later.

>No. The anime that some hypocritical poltards love so much are full of degeneracy. Traps are sissies with less politics but just as much, if not more, gratification that influences younger generations.
It's fantasy removed from real life. Stop projecting Western issues where they don't belong.

>>85329993
When Britiain is already negotiating free trade deals with other countries outside of EU framework and bodies, then it's pretty much indepedent from the EU. What Britain is doing with the EU in terms of negotiating for an exit is important but also symbolic. It's symbolic because it makes it seem as if Britain hasn't left yet when for all matters and purposes it has. But it's important because the UK has some "small" issues to solve. Like what happens to citizens of EU countries living in the UK. What to do with various bodies like the shared space program, and so on. However, these issues are far from impossible to solve and they'll be solved for the most part ,at least, soon.

>>85329711
it's since the argentinian crisis almost 20 years ago that Italy was supposed to be next
same for all the articles about how they were going to collapse even before Brexit and yet nothing has happened

>>85330057
>religious persecution is nothing special
This is strawman. Because it assumes I brought up any religion. /pol/ only cares positively about a single religion and that's Christianity. Therefore only history of persecutions of Christian should matter when it comes to seeing the contradiction in loving Japan so much.

>It's fantasy removed from real life
It's not removed from real life. Those anime are still based on humans, who very much do exist. Technically, hollywood is also "fantasy removed from real life" (especially the comic book movies), but it doesn't stop people (both SJW and poltards) from bitching and moaning.

>Stop projecting Western issues where they don't belong.
Ding ding ding! Congrats. You finally understood one of the points of my original post. /pol/'s mentality is incompatible with the anime it loves so much.

>>85330164
What the fuck does Argentina have to do with Italy? You're grasping at straws. Italy matters in the context of the EU because it's not only European but part of that union.

>hurr durr articles

Oh, it's an idiot who can't think on his own and comes to the conclusion that all articles are the same.

Where all the articles that predicted Trump win wrong because many articles predicted Hillary to win? Instead of being so retarded, learn to know that not all sources are created equal.

>>85330255
>Because it assumes I brought up any religion.
You did.

>It's not removed from real life.
It is. You may think or want to believe it isn't, but it is. Stop projecting Western issues where they don't belong.

>>85324627
All about lily chou-chou and April story by Shunji iwai are pretty nice.

>>85324942
hong kong doesn't count

>>85330324
So are you an economist? What are your sources since apparently specialized newspapers about the economy aren't a viable source and you have to compare them to political news.

Also the point was that people have conflating the italian situation since ever.

>>85325930
You have no idea

When the old people die the pyramid will level out.

e.g

100m people 25% old, 25% young

90m people 30% old 20% young

80m people 20% old 20% young

you get the picture

>>85324512
edward yang stuff, other than that most are shit.
t. Taiwanese

>>85324687
>go to japan
>tfw i see guys on the right

i know that picture is old but how the fuck hasnt their style changed in over 10 years

>>85323718
http://neojaponisme.com/2011/11/28/the-great-shift-in-japanese-pop-culture-part-one/

This is a pretty indepth article series going into the economics and cultural trends in Japan that has seen Japan fall from grace in terms of pop-culture and kind of get stuck in a rut.

>TL;DR version: Economic collapse led to Japanese producers focusing on core domestic subcultures that will always buy no matter what and abandoning mainstream and or/international audiences.

As someone who watches A LOT of Asian media and consumes a lot of Asian content and cultural output. It's actually pretty striking how behind the times Japan is these days in terms of Music, TV, fashion etc. It's like Japan is stuck still in the early-mid 00s.

You can notice it instantly in Japanese celebrity fashion, just look at variety shows. All the girls still dress like it's 2003 and all the guys still have the shitty Gackt final fantasy hair.

But it flows into everything. It's actually astounding how bad and outdated Jdramas are compared to K and C dramas and modern Jpop just sounds like fucking shit that was outdated in 2003.

>>85329921

>Japan tried to exterminate Christians. It's a tad bit different than just trying to make the other kind of Christian wanting to submit.


How about the introduction of Christianity to Europe? That saw mass killings and violence on both sides, that is in essence similar to how the Japanese ended up responding after a large amount of the population had converted.

Either way Christianity played a big influence in post 19th century Japan and Japan has had a significant amount of politicians who are Christian relative to the population. Japan is also the only non-Western country that was able to adapt successfully to our military and political styling which imo is pretty admirable. Going from an insular island nation to toe-to-toe with Russia and then taking on the US and the whole pacific region is pretty impressive.

>>85330681
There is clearly no shortage of mainstream entertainment, and culture isn't like technology that has to keep up with what everyone else is doing. Why does Jpop have to sound like current American pop (or Kpop, which is derivative of current American pop)?

>>85330681
I think this is a trend in music and movies in most developed countries now. For movies especially the risk to reward for the costs of making a movie means everyone makes safe bets and it becomes a sea of capeshit and sequels.

>>85330832
It's not that it has to sound modern, but even the production and everything is just really outdated. Even a band like Perfume for the most party is just... mediocre and outdated in terms of structure and production compared to everything else coming out of East Asia.

Of course this isn't universal, Japan can put out some really great stuff. But it def is behind in the times and in a bad way.

Like here is the thing, I say Jpop is outdated, and it is, but early 2000s Jpop is actually BETTER than the modern shit. Utada Hikaru's old stuff like Travelling and Sakura and Passion are still fresh as fuck same with Ayumi Hamasaki with songs like M. But here is the difference.

In the early 2000s Japan was still targeting international audiences and hadn't retreated into itself. It's when they retreated inwards and only focused on niche domestic markets they went to shit.

It's why movies and music from Japan targeted still to a wider international audience is still great. Great example, Spending all my time by Perfume, easily their best track and was aimed at a Western audience. Shin Godzilla and 13 Assassins, films that were made for a wide audience and dope as fuck.

The best Jpop being produced today, aimed at international audiences.

This for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2quiyHfJQw

Japan needs to stop being so fucking insular because it's literally causing them to get stuck in like a fucking 1970s Soviet stagnation.

>>85330832
Looking at the article more closely, it seems to try to paint certain developments as being unique to Japan and being indicative of a crisis in Japan, and around the time this was written it was trendy to cry about how Japan was doomed. The writer doesn't know what 2ch is or is confusing it with 2chan. The only thing he knows about otaku is that they are anti-social pedophiles and mindless consumers, which is nonsense. He also assumes certain things are just intrinsically "otaku" and not mainstream, which is like saying superheros are intrinsically "geek" and not mainstream.

Yeah, this is garbage.

>>85331161
>It's when they retreated inwards and only focused on niche domestic markets they went to shit.
Yeah, how dare they do their own thing. Only America is allowed to do that, and everyone else is obligated to follow them.

they had one meme director, and that's it rest is just weeb shit

>>85331325
Japanese things can't be wannabe Japanese.

>>85331267
>Yeah, how dare they do their own thing. Only America is allowed to do that, and everyone else is obligated to follow them.

They aren't even doing their own thing. it's that the market has been captured by niche subcultures. The mainstream in Japan just consume shit from China and Korea now as the article I posted pointed out.

>The mass idol group regularly has an “election” (sousenkyo) where fans try to vote their favorite girl to Number One. Buying certain AKB48 CD singles gives the fan a vote in the AKB48 election, which thus incentivizes otaku to buy multiple copies of the CD to increase their “political” power. The CD is thus no longer a means of listening to music but a way to influence the future of AKB48. This has created a legion of fans who buy dozens and hundreds of the same AKB48 CD or even 5500 copies. There are now doubts about that story’s authenticity but it basically was an exaggeration of an existing principle. Regardless, the marketing strategy of AKB48 does encourage the purchase of multiple goods, thus amplifying the buying power of nerds beyond their small numbers. This means as a consumer bloc, the AKB48 otaku fans can rival the non-otaku consumer base.

>This otaku bloc strength, as well as other niche’s dedicated buying, can be seen through the music charts. In 2010 only three artists made the Oricon best-selling singles market — AKB48 and a Johnny’s Jimusho group Arashi. (At this stage, you can almost argue that music fans of Johnny’s groups are themselves a conspicuous cult rather than a mass market phenomenon.) Only two artists taking the entire singles market is unprecedented in Japanese musical history. In the previous decade, the average number of artists in the top ten was 8.2. The best explanation is that mainstream consumers stopped buying music, even single song downloads, so the favorite acts of marginal subcultures now appear to be the most popular.

>>85331524
>For example, if you look at the sales numbers for the #1 single of 2010 — “Beginner” by AKB48 at 954,283 copies — this would not have been enough copies to make the top ten from the years 1991 to 2000, when the wider public bought CDs in droves. In 2001, it would have ranked in at #10 — a successful hit for a niche, but not the symbol of J-Pop for the era. The population of Japan in the last ten years has not dropped enough to make this smaller number of sales proportionally relevant — just less people are purchasing music.

>...The Japanese idol factory, although subdued in recent days from the music market’s staggering decline, still manages to launch dozens of new young female singers and girl groups. So why have Japanese girls suddenly gone crazy for a nine-girl Korean act? The nationality aspect of Girls Generation’s success is certainly unprecedented, but that is not where the distinction ends. The Japanese industry has always told us that consumers like barely-trained, not-too-good-looking, off-pitch idols, but it turns out Japanese consumers may have wanted something completely different the entire time.

>SNSD members sing and dance with a military precision. Their latest singles — produced mostly by European producers like DEEKAY sound slick and modern in comparison to the stagnant and repetitive J-Pop idol sound. Unlike sexy rivals KARA or hip-hoppers with ‘tude 2NE1, the Girls Generation girls are sweet and un-threatening, yet style icons with slender legs up to here. And some of the girls, especially Yoona, can be said to be more attractive than the average female, which used to be the reason these singers were called “idols.”

>So with all these rare gifts, Girls Generation have worked to tap a latent demand in young Japanese consumers, finally providing the aspirational superwomen who have long been buried under the needs of gyaru’s “just like me” icons and the otaku’s desire for helpless and intentionally not too attractiv little girls.

>>85324269
>Meanwhile Taiwan produces top tier kino
Taiwan hasn't produced a movie worthy of note since 2003

>>85323754
>total societal collapse™
People have been saying this for decades. Give up, you dumbass globalist shill.

>>85330520
>lemme just move those goalposts a bit... ahh there we go

>>85331524
>>85331659
>They aren't even doing their own thing. it's that the market has been captured by niche subcultures.
And subcultures are now not part of Japan? Then where'd they come from? Outer space?

The Western concept of otaku is that they are some malevolent outside alien force that victimizes the normal, respectable mainstream Japanese who for some reason have no choice but to submit. Nonsense.

>The mainstream in Japan just consume shit from China and Korea now as the article I posted pointed out.
This was no doubt just some passing trend around the time the article was written which the author then blew out of proportion as part of his "doomed Japan" narrative.

AKB48 and Johnny's are mainstream, and idols were mainstream long before they showed up.

Also keep in mind that this article is from 2011 and a lot can change even in just a few years. Something can seem big only to fade out in a year or two.

>Their latest singles — produced mostly by European producers like DEEKAY sound slick and modern in comparison to the stagnant and repetitive J-Pop idol sound.
Opinionated.

>So with all these rare gifts, Girls Generation have worked to tap a latent demand in young Japanese consumers, finally providing the aspirational superwomen who have long been buried under the needs of gyaru’s “just like me” icons and the otaku’s desire for helpless and intentionally not too attractiv little girls.
Projection.

>>85330681
There has to be something more to it then that. Even guys like Miike and Kitano are producing nothing but garbage these days

>>85330681
>compared to K and C dramas
>C dramas

Somehow I doubt this one. Chinese TV is rarely very good and is extremely derivative due to their copyright laws. I can't imagine Japanese people enjoying what is basically a cheap imitation of Korean entertainment, marketed towards the Chinese middle class.

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>>85331943
There are some good C dramas. Shows like Empresses in the Palace were major pan-asian hits. Even in Japan that show was a huge phenomenon.

>>85323718
13 Assassins was shit

>>85324011
It was incredible

the last good japanese movie was Shin Godzilla and even then they had to drag in an director who normally works with anime

>>85332002
There are definitely some gems out there, but I didn't believe they were all that common. I'll admit I'm more familiar with other kinds of Chinese entertainment, but if they're anything to go by, the entire industry seems to be low budget, low effort, and summarized by "let's just steal everything we can from everyone". It would be surprising to me if there was a significant Japanese audience for their productions.

I get the feeling everyone in East Asia just looks to South Korea for quality TV.

>>85324888
meanwhile
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Touch_of_Sin
already listed as one of the greatest movies of the 21st century. Not sure how you missed it because the critics slobbered on it's dick like a lollipop


Now name a jap film as highly regarded as this from this decade

>>85325694
For fuck sake, there are about six million North Africans + a few millions niggs in France. Countries that were 99.9% white in 1970 are now 85%, but I'm sure the "brown horde pol shit" is for "low information retards".
Kill yourself socialist.

>>85332371
Why does the color of their skin specifically bother you so much?

>>85332452
I was replying to the other anon and his ridiculous claims.
As for your post, it's even worse. No one is bothered by skin color (except perhaps as being less esthetic).

>>85331325
Ozu or Kurosawa?

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Harakiri is my favourite film

How many Japanese movies do you watch regularly? Do you keep in touch with all the new releases?
I love Takeshi KItano's movies and I know he's still making them but I don't bother watching
Recently I started watching some Korean gangster movies and I must say they have that same level of "comfiness" from his movies

>>85329034
There really isn't that much love for Japan on /pol/. The only thing that is mentioned positively are their resistance to the importing subhumans agenda and the fact they are the only non-western country to have had a non-negligeable inventors.

>>85329034
>persecuted a foreign religion for generations
why wouldn't I be perfectly fine with that?

>>85324627
All suggestions to this post are pretty good. Also, add Teshigahara, who I love so far, on that list and maybe Seijun Suzuki ( I don't like him that much some people dig his films a lot)

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>>85323718
did anyone watched the attack on titan live action movies?
were they ok good or no?

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>>85329711

You have to be extremely delusional to think that EU is not doing fine.

Brexit is a fuckup and brits are already realizing it. If anything it will serve as a lesson for everybody else thinking about leaving EU.

>>85329921
>Japan tried to exterminate Christians

Literally one time and it was the only religious war in Japan's history.

And it happened because of European priests.

>>85330681

Hello Korea.

Call me when you have anything with even comparable cultural impact as anime industry.

Half of the world grew up watching japanese cartoons and playing pokemon.