Why is everyone calling it a success?

>>85314924
TASM2 wasn't so much a flop, it was just more of a wake up call that Spider-Man was no longer a billion dollar property. Technically no Spider-Man movie has ever his that mark, but with 3D and inflation, it should have done well in a post Avengers market. Homecoming is shaping up to be a disaster though.

>>85315148
>Homecoming is shaping up to be a disaster though

But why isn't anyone calling it out on it?

>>85314924
>Hasn't broken half a billion after two weeks
It already did.
>>85315148
> it was just more of a wake up call that Spider-Man was no longer a billion dollar property
None of the Spider-Man movies have broken a billion dollars. Spidey's claim to fame has always been its strong merchandise sales which eclipses everything else.

>>85314924
it goes against the narrative that Marvel is untouchable

>>85315459
>It already did

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2017.htm

>>85315148
>TASM2 wasn't so much a flop, it was just more of a wake up call that Spider-Man was no longer a billion dollar property
Spider man 2002 - 821.7 million
Spider man 2 - $783.8 million
Spider man 3 - $890.9 million
TASM - $757.9 million
TASM 2 - $709 million

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>>85315605
>Spider Man 3 is the largest grossing Spider Man movie ever made by a large margin

Jesus Christ

>>85315528
It crossed $500 million on Friday newshit. Box office mojo doesn't update its numbers until monday

>>85315605
No to mention, it hadhighest marketing budget for a Spider-man movie

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Last week
>Spiderflop LOL
>can't even make money!
>Apes will keep it down!

This week
>w-why is it doing well?
>stop saying it's doing well!

>>85315960
>Worst grossing movie in the IP's past 20 years isn't a bad thing

You must be new here trip

>>85316004
>out for 2 weeks
kys

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>>85315960
>>85316304
Homeflopping is a failure. Accept it shill

>>85314924
Why do you care

>>85314924

Most people are saying it under performed

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>>85314924
#BringBackRaimi

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>>85316362

>>85314924
How did this freaking flop?

>>85314924

They know RDJ will give a couple of his paychecks back to offset the marketing costs since he doesn't need them so much anymore r-right.

>>85316304
Movies pretty much always make more in their first week then their second, more in their second then their third, and at least 90% of their total revenue in the first three.

>>85316602

Because Spider-man is boring if you rip away his personality like this shit film

>>85316687

Pretty much this. Its looking at 18 mil for its third weekend. Its not great considering Wonder Woman did over 40

>>85316602
Capeshit is oversaturated and will never pull the big numbers again
unless it has a gimmick like GUURL POWER in wonder woman.

>>85315960
>doing well

KEK

>>85315148
>Homecoming is shaping up to be a disaster though.

It's making about the same as Wonder Woman

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=2017superhero.htm

compare the day 15 stats

>>85314924
It's a huge success. Not financially, but the diversity is so diverse

>>85314924
People are calling it a success because lots of people were worried it would be shit since the last 3 spider-man movies were very underwhelming. It was also a reboot after the last spider-man movie, and what most people regard as the worst, came out 3 years ago. So critics wondered whether a lot of Spider-man's audience would be lost.

So far it's performing decently in the box office and had a great opening weekend, and has been praised by critics and fans a like. (93% on RT and 8.0 on imdb)

>>85315444
>But why isn't anyone calling it out on it?
Because it's diverse, and something that's diverse has to be a spun as a successful property. If this was an all white movie that underperformed ASM 2, the media would be foaming at the mouth.

>>85315915
fucking this. i'm so fucking disgusted seeing Spiderman Homecoming wherever i looked

>>85316936
>So far it's performing decently in the box office

Never has a Spider Man movie performed so badly, hell outside of Ant Man no post-Avengers Marvel movie has.

>>85316908
Yep. Keep in mind this movie is aimed at kids. Every single on-screen couple is mixed race.

same reason they said ghostbusters was good. sjw bloggers have to praise certain things or else they are blackballed among their friends

In reality this movie is making the same as ASM1 and the studios are fucking pissed

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>>85314924
Truthfully? Because this one pushed blacks, browns and a gay lead.

>literally 5 seconds into the film someone is chastised for calling native Americans "Indians"
>literally 10 seconds in a black school news reporter is macking on blonde white girl
>the new black Mary Jane's WE speech about how the Washington monument was built by slaves
>both of Peter Parker's love interests are black
>villain's wife is black
>Peter's Mexican school rival has a white blonde girlfriend
>the oh so edgy /b/ Fuck Marry Kill scene with high schoolers fantasizing about old men, also participated in by a gay male
>Aunt May’s “Gay is OK!” speech

etc. etc.etc.

When is enough enough? I find myself more and more only watching old movies/shows.

>>85316936
>IMDb
anon, marvel shills flood that site with 10/10 reviews

Daily reminder than spiderman is a cute gay twink

worldwide Wonder Woman gross after 14 days
>$438,543,175

worldwide Homecoming gross after 14 days
>$496,109,260

Yes a total flop!!!

>>85317019
I'm ashamed to call myself a fan of Spider-Man after seeing that pic

>>85317077
>Implying Wonder Woman didn't underperform

>>85316602
no one cares about spiderman anymore

>>85317077
It won't have the legs that Wonder Woman is having. It'll be dead and buried next week

>>85314924
>Why is everyone calling it a success?
If you invest 175M and get 496M in return it is a success, now if you add how praised and critically acclaimed it is, I'm sure it counts as a success.

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>>85317152
>what are marketing etc. costs

>>85317126
The Emoji Movie and Atomic Blonde are the new releases next weekend. There's no more huge movies coming out the rest of the summer.

>>85317152
>If you invest 175M and get 496M in return it is a success
Nigga what? Consider the following:
>theaters keep half the revenue
>international deals are all different and what the studio makes can be anywhere from 40% to 60%
>marketing costs (this movies marketing was huge)

>>85317186
>Marketing budget is bigger than production budget

>>85317019
Fuck this show

>>85317077
Wonder Woman was a decent movie with the "girl power" buzz going for it.

This won't have that. It's over.

>>85314924
Spiderman fucked up with its release date, should of released after Planet of the Apes which stole its thunder. Wonder Woman had no real competition for weeks after its release

>>85317264
>>85317186
You guys think you're being so clever but according to your guidelines almost no movies make money ever and everything is a flop despite those same "flops" getting sequels indicating they were financially successful.

>there are people on /tv/ that STILL participate in capeshit wars
Jesus

>>85316504

Based

>>85317044
yes all capeshit movies get inflated with 10/10 reviews, but if you compare it to other movies in the genre 8/10 is a very good imdb score. There are also many that give flood it with 1/10

>>85317482
>You guys think you're being so clever but according to your guidelines almost no movies make money ever
Not true. If a movie costs $100 mil and makes $800 mil, that means it's 700 mil in profit. At least half goes to the studio, so that's 350 mil, so that's 250 mil in revenue.

>>85317019

That pic looks stupid as fuck. Looks like a Disney channel movie

>>85316936

The worry from the latest Spidey movies was cancelled out by the out of control hype this movie got from Civil War and Iron Man introducing Spidey to the MCU, a billion dollar movie and some of the biggest comics characters worldwide.

So now we're left in the middle with a movie that was greatly reviewed, didn't really flop, but didn't break any mold. Just another okay MCU release. Still waiting for the guaranteed billion.

>>85317414
>real competition for weeks after its release
Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2?

>>85317627
That's exactly what Homecoming is

>>85317627
well Homecoming is literally a Disney Channel flick if you take out Keaton's scenes

>>85317621
Well sorry if I dont trust an anon just telling me this like its a fact.

>>85317669
You made a claim, I countered. If you got better info, go find it.

>>85317712
ok, good talk

>>85317669
The fact a studio only makes 40-60% of any market's revenue isn't a secret, nor is the fact that budgets almost never include the marketing cost.

There's a reason why it's generally assumed blockbusters need to make 2.5 times the gross of their budget to brake even. It's not an exact science without the full behind the doors numbers being revealed to the public, but it's a good ballpark.

>>85314924
>Movie had a budget of around 100 million but made 4 times that in the box office
>has generally good reviews from critics and normies alike

So did this movie flop or not? All this shitposting is getting me confused

>>85317630
Yeah well a billion is a lot to ask for, BvS didn't even get that close to it and the only solo MCU movie to get a billion was Iron Man 3, which was the end to a trilogy of the MCU's most popular character. This was a reboot and the 3rd version of spider-man we've seen on the big screen in a decade. The only guaranteed billion movies are main star wars movies and avengers movies.

>>85317655

Was going to say that. GoTG 2 had it easy. Homecoming doesn't have that much to worry either now that Apes is dropping, Valerian flopped and Dunkirk looks great but not a big money challenger.

WW had to open when Pirates was still making some money, then went against Mummy/Cruise, Cars, Transformers, Minions, and now Homecoming and still managed to beat GoTG2 and now Civil War will watch its back.

>>85317790
>>Movie had a budget of around 100 million
The budget was $175 mil and that's no including the massive marketing campaign.

ASM 2 was a universal turd and made $800 million. Based on that logic, this well received Spider-Man film that woven into the very successful MCU should have made a billion. But it's actually underperforming ASM 2. It'll make money, but Sony didn't go through all this trouble with Marvel just to make a little less/more than ASM 2.

>>85317756
True fact is that you don't get any info about profits until investor reports come out like a year and a half after the film's release, and even then most of them cook their books to show next to no profit. Add on top of that the fact that most big-bidget films are vlaued more as merchandising vehicles for franchise products rather than as products themselves, and you can't ever really know how much money the studio made from the film.

>>85317756
That seems very reasonable, but im just saying through that formula people call this and that flops, then those flops get sequels so it doesn't totally add up. Is Ant Man considered a flop for example?

>>85317898
>more as merchandising vehicles for franchise products rather than as products themselves, and you can't ever really know how much money the studio made from the film

Given how Sony makes nothing off Spider Man movie merchandising, I don't think they care about that.

And while it's true we don't know how much they tend to actually make at the end of the day, the fact 40 to 60% of the gross ends up outside of the studio's hands isn't something that's speculation.

>>85317939

Ant Man is considered to have underperformed, but not outright flopped. Though the fact it had a much more modest marketing budget and cost around 40 million less to make, on top of the fact the studio that distributed it owns the merchandising rights means Sony wouldn't view similar numbers the same way Marvel will.

>>85317836
GoTG 2 did have it easy but it did very well in the box office, making 100m more that the first one. Wonder Woman's competition all had absolute shit reviews with transformers being a long past it's prime franchise and mummy being a reboot no one wanted. Apes was the 3rd movie of a trilogy which usually does the best in box offices, and had overwhelmingly positive reviews.

>>85317939
>Is Ant Man considered a flop for example?
cost = 142 million
box office = 520 million

So the gross = 378 million
So the revenue = 189 million

So yes, Ant Man did very well for them.

Of course, we're only looking at box office (still the most important gauge), but things like DVDs/streaming rights/tv rights, toys + other merchandising, etc play a part as well.

We're also ignoring Hollywood accounting where they say a movie costs $150 million, but some of that budget is literally one branch of the studio paying the other branch, so they're really not losing any money.

>>85317836
Mummy and Transformers were flops, Pirates and Despicable Me had one good weekend

Disney is still benefitting from this.

The deal:

-Sony funded the entire movie and they will get all of the box office money
-Disney is allowed to use Spider-Man in MCU movies (I think deal was 3-5 movies, google if you want the specifics)
-Disney gets all the merchandise money
-Even if the sequels for this underperform as well, they're still effectively free commercials for the MCU and Disney will benefit from the merchandise sales also

>it's a flop
>actually it's a success
>actually it's a flop
>actually it's a success

>>85315605

TASM2 had a budget of 300 million and Homecoming one of 175. You also gotta realize that the studios aren't looking for the success of single movie but they're looking at an entire franchise. If a movie does well financially but is a critical failure among fans then those fans are not going to watch the next installments. Then you also have merchandise and videogames.

>>85318147
>TASM2 had a budget of 300 million and Homecoming one of 175.
TASM2 had a budget of 200 million.

>You also gotta realize that the studios aren't looking for the success of single movie but they're looking at an entire franchise.
Wrong. They want both.

> If a movie does well financially but is a critical failure among fans then those fans are not going to watch the next installments.
So Homecoming underperforming TASM2 bodes well for Homecoming 2 how?

>>85318120
The deal is 3.

Though outside of the fact it's a free ad for the MCU, Disney would be happy no matter how they keep making movies due to the merchandising rights (Spider Man makes more then the Avengers on that front), so either Sony keeps making free ads for their toys or the rights revert back to them, a win-win no matter the outcome.

>>85318120
i dont get why sony is doing this then. arent they getting fucked over if they dont get any money from merchandising/etc?

>>85318147
This, a lot of the reason people see this movie as a success is because it was well received by critics and movie goers and successfully rebooted Spiderman into the MCU after the last 3 spider-man movies weren't rated that well. People are now even more hyped to see Spiderman in Infinity War

>Most satisfying MCU movie when looked at as a standalone movie
>Underperforms

>>85318216
They're doing it because they (wrongfully it seems) thought that a Spider Man movie set in the MCU would perform.

>>85318216

They most likely assumed that with the Marvel Studios banner and creative direction the movie would go near the 1 billion mark in world wide grosses. That's the magic number they were trying to reach with the TASM movies as well. In the Sony leaks they discussed about this a lot.

>>85318277
>People are now even more hyped to see Spiderman in Infinity War
No they're not. Where have you heard that? They're more hyped for Thanos.

>>85315444
Literal disney shills

>>85314924
Intense marvelpajeet shilling. Are you seeing the catalog right now?

>>85318120
Sony got royally buttfucked in this lol, they only got the box office money while Disney rakes in the toys

>>85318006

GoTG 2 was a sequel to a well received movie, as long as it didn't suck it makes sense to do better than the first one.

I know Transformers has been a Internet lolcow franchise but I wasn't aware people were expecting it to underperform THIS time.

And not all films were badly reviewed, Cars and Despicable are fresh in RT and the latter has 600+ millions worldwide now because kid friendly animated movies still do fine.

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>>85318208
>So Homecoming underperforming TASM2 bodes well for Homecoming 2 how?
Because after having a decent opening film means more fans will have faith to go see the movie in theaters for the sequel. Literally every MCU sequel has done better than the previous movie except for Age of Ultron, which had a pretty high standard to beat but still came very close. The bottom 6 MCU films are all the first movies of characters.

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>>85318208

According to google TASM had a budget of nearly 300 mil
https://www.google.com/search?q=spider+man+homecoming&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=amazing+spider+man+2+budget
You're also comparing a movie that has only been out for 2 weeks to the complete lifespan of another.

>>85318313
There's no measurable hype, but people that uniquely love Spider-man will be hype that he's in Infinity War, more so then if Homecoming was dogshit.

>>85318391
>Because after having a decent opening film means more fans will have faith to go see the movie in theaters for the sequel. Literally every MCU sequel has done better than the previous movie except for Age of Ultron, which had a pretty high standard to beat but still came very close. The bottom 6 MCU films are all the first movies of characters.
There's a difference between "the first movie made a ton of money, and the 2nd movie made more" and "the first movie made eh money, so hopefully the next movie makes more than eh".

Sony wanted a billion dollar movie that they could build off of. Even if the next movie makes more than Homecoming, it still in theory might make less than the ASM movies.

>>85318353
They deserve it, they made the choice to trade their share of the merchandising gross for Marvel's share of the movie gross.

They played themselves.

>>85318414
The budget on Wikipedia and the-numbers.com it was 200 million.

>You're also comparing a movie that has only been out for 2 weeks to the complete lifespan of another.
Do you honestly think Homecoming will make another $150 mil to break ASM 2's 700 mil? And lets say it does cross that line, do you think Sony did all this work with Marvel (giving away merchandising rights) to only make a little more than ASM2?

>>85318414
>You're also comparing a movie that has only been out for 2 weeks to the complete lifespan of another

Given how movies usually make 90% of their lifespan gross in the first three weeks, the first 2 tells you plenty.

>>85318460
>There's no measurable hype, but people that uniquely love Spider-man will be hype that he's in Infinity War,
They'd be hyped about this whether Homecoming existed or not. And Infinity war is probably making $1.5 billion with or without Spider-Man.

>>85316904

No its not shill. It will be 30 mil behind by the end of the week

>>85318543

Based on the Boxofficemojo numbers Homecoming has a little more than 200 mil to go at 2 weeks vs 15 weeks, at this time TASM2 was doing worse. So it does seem reasonable to asume that Homecoming will catch up, not to mention that it was made with a lower budget. And again is not just a single movie but franchises and merch, take for example Sony is moving on with a Venom movie. The critical success of Homecoming will get people more excited as they jump into the spidey hype wagon.

>>85318677
>So it does seem reasonable to asume that Homecoming will catch up


Not when you compare the total gross instead of domestic.

>>85318476
>Sony wanted a billion dollar movie that they could build off of. Even if the next movie makes more than Homecoming, it still in theory might make less than the ASM movies.
Where did you get that from. No one, absolutely no one saw this movie making a billion dollars. Sony got what they wanted which was a well received decently financially successful reboot of Spider-man, from which they could use to launch sequels which will almost certainly be more successful. I guarantee this movie wouldn't have made as much if it wasn't in the MCU and they stuck with Garfield.

>>85318569

Don't take my opinion look at the numbers yourself based on that picture. Amazing Spider Man 2 has a total of 154 mil on it's first 2 weeks and Homecoming 220 mil.

>>85318677
>Based on the Boxofficemojo numbers Homecoming has a little more than 200 mil to go at 2 weeks vs 15 weeks, at this time TASM2 was doing worse.
Currently Homecoming has $470 mil. Do you honestly think it will make another $230 mil to catch TASM2? Probably not, but even if it does, so what? Sony wanted a billion. Not "just about the shitty TASM2 box office".

>And again is not just a single movie but franchises and merch
Dummy, MARVEL has ALL the merchandising rights as part of their deal with Sony. And what kind of franchise are they going to build when the first money makes only mediocre money?

>, take for example Sony is moving on with a Venom movie.
Venom is such a unique property that he would be fine without Spider-Man.

>The critical success of Homecoming will get people more excited as they jump into the spidey hype wagon.
You're living in shill fantasy land.

>>85318772
>Where did you get that from. No one, absolutely no one saw this movie making a billion dollars.
The Sony email leaks talked about how they wanted the ASM movies to make a billion at the box office.

Why would they team up with Marvel, loan out their Spider-Man to them, and give them MERCHANDISING rights, to only make the same amount as TASM2?

>Sony got what they wanted which was a well received decently financially successful reboot of Spider-man
You're a maniac shill that needs help.

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>>85318792
>You're living in shill fantasy land

It's like you guys refuse to live in this reality.

>>85318774
But that's the problem: you're looking at domestic, we're talking about its total gross, which is what really matters these days.

>>85318879
>RT
>IMDB
>Meta critic

Jesus Christ, bro. And I'm not saying people didn't LIKE the movie, I'm saying that not enough people paid to see it.

>>85314924
It's already made more domestic box office than Amazing Spider-man 2 and it's sure to end up above the first Amazing Spider-Man on a lesser budget. Internationally, it has yet to open in at least to big markets for it which are China and Japan. And it built a lot of good faith for a potential sequel, which was pretty much dead from the feedback of the previous two.
I certainly expected it to do better, but it's not a flop at all.

>>85318879
The world runs on money, money which Homecoming isn't making

>>85318353
They got an exclusive game.

>>85318885

Boxofficemojo doesn't have the weekly numbers for total, but again Homecoming only has been out for 2 weeks compared to 3 months and in that time it has managed to make more than half based on a lower budget. If we take domestic as sample for the overall market, Homecoming is doing better. On top of that, it's marvel that's investing and taking the risk.

>>85317019
Jesus Christ. People pay money to watch this shit?

>>85318971
LOL

>>85319005
>but again Homecoming only has been out for 2 weeks

And 90% of the gross comes in the first three, and each week tends to do significantly worst then the one before it, what's your point, that Homecoming will defy the trend that almost all movies follow?

>>85318922
in the MCU sequels always make more money
see>>85318391

>>85319005
Sony didn't do all this shit with Marvel to do "a little better than an ASM movie".

Marvel has the merchandising rights + the use of Spider-Man in their upcoming big movies. Sony is left with an underperforming film series (yet again).

You fucking losers are so sad hating on diversity. News flash, that's what being in a typical high school is actually like in a big city. No wonder you slobs hate life on earth.

>>85319088
>in the MCU sequels always make more money
Ok, so Homecoming 2 will make a little more than Homecoming 1 (which only made a little more than ASM2). Wow, what a winning formula. I bet this was Sony's plan all along.

>>85319135
>that's what being in a typical high school is actually like in a big city

You mean a bit American city. Outside of London, Toronto and Vancouver this is an American phenomenon.

>>85319135
lel, not at all. Schools largely self segregate

>>85319062

again if we take domestic as a sample Homecoming isn't defying anything it's actually performing better based on this>>85318414
But you're rock that I'm never gonna budge.

>>85319140
Yeah probably, they're making more money than if they tried to do a 3rd amazing spiderman movie after everyone hated the 2nd. And so far it's doing much better then the first 2 ASM movies did at this stage, and has already passed ASM2 entire domestic gross from just 2 weeks.

>>85319265
No, you largely self segregate because you're a racist piece of shit.

>>85319135
>News flash, that's what being in a typical high school is actually like in a big city.
I live in an area near Forest Hills, Queens (where this movie takes place). An "elite" school like that would be loaded with Jews, Asians (the yellow kind, not the brown kind from Homecoming) and white kids. This movie was just 1 white kid, 2 black, and a brown Asian. That's not how this Queens high school would look.

>>85319294
>Yeah probably, they're making more money than if they tried to do a 3rd amazing spiderman movie after everyone hated the 2nd. And so far it's doing much better then the first 2 ASM movies did at this stage, and has already passed ASM2 entire domestic gross from just 2 weeks.
Or, they could have just made a good Spider-Man movie and not a diversity fest with a talking Iron Man spidey suit and a new fat sidekick.

>has already passed ASM2 entire domestic gross from just 2 weeks.
You keep fucking saying this minute fact. It doesn't fucking matter. Worldwide is what matters. Homecoming MIGHT NOT pass ASM 2. And even if it does barely squeek out a win, Sony didn't take it up the ass from Marvel to barely beat ASM 2.

>>85319305
How does an anon being racist or not change the fact that American schools in major cities are largely still segregated due to the fact different races tend to live in the same areas and thus get sent to the same schools?

>>85319320
It was a public school you idiot, white kids make up just 14% of the public school population in new york.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/best-public-high-schools-in-queens-2818825

Look at these schools for instance. Townsend Harris has 78% minority population.

t. Actually New Yorker that went to public school in NYC

>>85319305
I don't follow. Because I'm racist, all the asians and blacks overwhelmingly decided to mingle amongst themselves instead of living your multiracial fantasy tale?

>>85319501
>It was a public school you idiot, white kids make up just 14% of the public school population in new york.
But they sold it as one of those "elite" public schools. In NY we have Stuyvesant, Townsend Harris, Brooklyn Tech, and Bronx Science that are public schools, but are "elite" and have a mostly white/jewish/Asian population.

> Townsend Harris has 78% minority population.
Yeah, Asians. I lived near there for a while.

>>85319501
> Townsend Harris has 78% minority
population.

jfc lol

>>85319383
>Or, they could have just made a good Spider-Man movie and not a diversity fest with a talking Iron Man spidey suit and a new fat sidekick.
Looks like you're upset based on you're personal opinions of the movie. Critically HC is doing better. Not my personal opinion but those of critics and general audiences.

>Worldwide is what matters
see >>85319274

>Sony didn't take it up the ass from Marvel to barely beat ASM 2.
Marvel is heading the production and costs. Sony is doing very little work here and they're getting a good payday while also getting people excited for Venom and whatever else they have in the works.

>>85319383
>Worldwide is what matters.
No Sony literally cares more about domestic box office because Studios get way less cut of the money from foreign movies. And both amazing spider-man movies got the most foreign money by a large margin from China and Homecoming hasn't even fucking released in China yet!

I have no desire to go see it in theaters, convince me otherwise.

>This Spider-Man cost before P&A a similar amount to other titles in the Marvel Cinematic Universe: $175M. That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 which even with combined theatrical P&A and production costs of $430M saw a profit of $70M-plus after all global TV and home entertainment monies were counted.

>That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2
>That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2
>That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2
>That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2

>>85319601
>Looks like you're upset based on you're personal opinions of the movie. Critically HC is doing better. Not my personal opinion but those of critics and general audiences.
Critics love shit like Force Awakens. If this movie was really "that great", it would be tearing it up at the box office.

>see >>85319274
Irrelevant. Worldwide matters. Latching onto some positive box office number to bolster to your shilling is nuts.

>Marvel is heading the production and costs.
Source on this?

>Sony is doing very little work here and they're getting a good payday while also getting people excited for Venom and whatever else they have in the works.
I've never seen shilling like this before.

>>85314924
Because its a MCU spin-off for comic book fans and children, not a blockbuster.

>>85319644
>No Sony literally cares more about domestic box office because Studios get way less cut of the money from foreign movies.
So movies nowadays are constantly pandering to foreign markets yet make barely any money from them?

This shilling has to stop. You need to go back.

>>85319717
>>That’s more than a third cheaper than Sony’s previous title in the franchise, The Amazing Spider-Man 2
ASM2 budget = $200 mil
Homecoming budget = $175 mil

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>>85319751
>Critics love shit like Force Awakens. If this movie was really "that great", it would be tearing it up at the box office

You're right that movie did terrible it's only the 3rd highest grossing film of all time and 1 of only 3 movies to break 2 billion. Again you're living in delusionland. I won't bother responding anymore I'm arguing with a wall.

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>>85319558
>Yeah, Asians. I lived near there for a while.
You do know that brown indians get counted as "asian" in demographic reports right. So your complaint is that the movie didn't have the correct demographics for an "elite" highschool even though it clearly had an over representation of whites. Also jews get counted as white in demographic reports. pic-related literally has half white people and shills were complaining that it's too diverse

>>85319892
>You're right that movie did terrible it's only the 3rd highest grossing film of all time and 1 of only 3 movies to break 2 billion. Again you're living in delusionland. I won't bother responding anymore I'm arguing with a wall.
What? I never said Force Awakens didn't do well at the box office, I said critics loved it and it DID do well. Yet Homecoming is getting the same critical response and doing very mediocre.

>TWO black love interests
>school bully mega chad is an indian manlet
>MJ is so quirky it's literally unbelievable
his buddy was cool tho

>>85319894
>You do know that brown indians get counted as "asian" in demographic reports right.
Irrelevant. I've seen the populations of these schools. They're mostly ASIANS as in YELLOW CHINKS.

> pic-related literally has half white people and shills were complaining that it's too diverse
So you use 1 still, but disregard the rest of the cast of the movie?

>>85319817

>a third
>25 million cheaper

nigga learn some math

>>85319892
And here's the source on who financed Homecoming.

"In 2015, when the two studios paired up to reboot the franchise, Sony agreed to foot the entire production cost, while Marvel came aboard to manage the process. If you’re Marvel, that deal doesn’t sound so great. Why make the movie at all?"

https://qz.com/1020387/spider-man-is-back-in-the-marvel-universe-but-the-film-studio-wont-get-a-penny-of-the-profits/

Wrong again, faggot.

>>85319946
>I never said Force Awakens didn't do well at the box office, I said critics loved it and it DID do well. Yet Homecoming is getting the same critical response and doing very mediocre.
You have to be trolling. You realize at this point your argument is that if critics like a movie it should do as well as TFA. You realize most movies that get great critical reviews dont make nearly as much as a mediocre capeshit movie. Dunkirk which has been lauded by critics and had a 150m budget is struggling to get 50m this opening weekend while Homecoming got 117 easily.

>>85320060
1/3rd of 200 mil is 66 million. So the Homecoming budget would have to be 134 million. Oh, but it's $175 million. Jesus Christ.

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>>85317019
>there are """men""" in their 20s and 30s who willing got excited for this and gleefully saw it

>>85320025
Okay show me some other still that shows a large number a students. The main high school cast of 5 kids is largely irrelevant to the demographics of a big elite high school in nyc which probably would have around 1000 students. Especially judging from the huge grounds the high school was shown to have.

>>85320098
>You have to be trolling. You realize at this point your argument is that if critics like a movie it should do as well as TFA.
No. You were the one who brought up this critical consensus as some kind of gauge. TFA was a critical success and made big money, Homecoming is a critical success and not making big money. Critical success isn't everything.

The facts are on my side. Homecoming might not even make as much as ASM 2. But you keep crying about how it's so succesful with criftics and "getting people hyped for Venom" and "doing better than ASM2 in the domestic gross".

Shills are the worst.

>>85320188
>The main high school cast of 5 kids is largely irrelevant
No, it's the only thing that's relevant. According to you the school is an even mix of races, but the main cast of the film has 1 white guy and a bunch of browns.

>>85320136
I'm 27, /fit/, and saw it on opening day by myself

>>85320124

>I think I know more than DEADLINE HOLLYWOOD

http://deadline.com/2017/07/spider-man-homecoming-box-office-opening-1202124834/

what does this tell you stupid fuck?? OH THAT THE BUDGET WAS FUCKING MORE THAN 200 MILLION

I work at a chain movie theater in a medium sized town. We only get big movies and kids movies, with the occasional indie if there's room for an older movie to go. Spider-Man is surprisingly dead on most days. It's doing well in a broad sense, like in terms of pure profit and sales, but it's definitely lacking in comparison to previous Marvel movies and even the other movies playing right now.

Dunkirk, Despicable Me 3 and on some days even Baby Driver are all out performing Spider Man. Dunkirk is to be expected, and is still early to judge, but the fact that Despicable Me 3 is still selling tickets is fucking crazy to me. Tonight was the only night that I've Spider-Man sell out, not that Dunkirk didn't sell out too. At least, the only seats available were the shitty ones in the very very front.

t. kinoplex popcorn shoveling slave

I'm willing to answer any insider questions anyone has about movie theaters, if there are any.

>>85320287
>what does this tell you stupid fuck?? OH THAT THE BUDGET WAS FUCKING MORE THAN 200 MILLION
Are you insane? The movie TANKED in it's 2nd week. And worldwide it MIGHT NOT BEAT ASM2.

>>85320310
Have you ever cleaned cum off a theater seat?

>>85315692
Here's some mud in your eye

>>85320287
>what does this tell you stupid fuck?? OH THAT THE BUDGET WAS FUCKING MORE THAN 200 MILLION
It does? Where?

>Why is everyone calling it a success?
Probably because it was profitable and critically acclaimed, with an "A" on Cinemascore, meaning the audiences love it too

>>85318353
Yeah toy sales are huge. Take Cars for example.

>As of 2011, the Cars franchise has grossed over $10 billion in merchandise sales revenue.

>>85320330
I personally haven't, but other people I know have.

I've only been working there a few months, so I only work at the concession stands. I haven't been trained to work on any of the other positions yet.

Again, I'm open to elaborate if people are interested. Might start my own thread tho.

>>85319383
>Homecoming MIGHT NOT pass ASM 2
It will. It's only 200 mil. away without opening in China and Japan and only on its third week out in the rest of the world.

>>85319601
>Marvel is heading the production and costs
oh it shows, it definitely showed.
add in some jewish accounting while they rake in the toy sales this is one hilarious deal

I didn't even know this movie was already out

>>85320492
>It will. It's only 200 mil. away without opening in China and Japan and only on its third week out in the rest of the world.
Ok, lets say it does. Did Sony get buttfucked by Marvel just to barely pass the lowest grossing Spider-Man movie? They could have done that without Marvel.

>>85314924
Because it is a total success and movie of the year only behind GOTG2 and Thor

>>85320569
Disney pls go

>>85320020
t. fat philipino asian

>>85320518

Then you're clearly not a 4chan regular because /tv/ has been crying about it nonstop for 2 weeks.

>>85320317
>>85320342

>people on /tv/ are THIS FUCKING RETARDED

>>85320873
>>>85320342 (You)
This is me. Show me where?

>>85318296
>>Most satisfying MCU movie when looked at as a standalone movie

But it's not Guardians Of The Galaxy.

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>>85314924
>How is this a financial success but the Amazing Spider Man movies where flop again?

Don't really give a fuck - they already said at the end that Spiderman will return. Plus, the movie was so fucking fun holly shit, i love it. Great comedy, great villain, great Peter Parker. I will agree that MJ looks like shit though. I wasn't bothered by much else - just had a ton of fun yesterday watching it.

>>85321227
I don't care about the MJ thing, because it's not Mary Jane.

>>85316362
meh, this screenshot is crap - he really looks good in the film. The only times it looks off is when he jumps - they still never managed to nail the jumping animations, and they still look off. Just like in every Spidey movie.

>>85321227
>Great comedy,
"I love Marvel quips!"

>>85321257
Oh, i didn't catch that - great then. I thought they actually made her THE mary jane of this reboot.

>>85321318
She said her name was Michelle. I have no idea what the J stands for, but whatever.

>>85321314
I am not talking about the classical marvel funny shit like references and dialogue and what not. Just entire set-ups -
I found the hand-held part at the start very funny and also when he was in the suburbs and didn't have any tall buildings to use - he is almost powerless there. The entire scene was great. Tony Stark was funny and not over-used like we memed about.

>>85321333
>Michelle
well i forgot - that's how little i cared about her. She's clearly into him though, and will probably hook up in the next movie.

>good critical reviews
>on course to make 800-900m worldwide
>normies think that it's the best adaptation of SM yet

How can anyone argue that this is a flop?

>>85321510
>>on course to make 800-900m worldwide
In what realm are you pulling that shit out from? It'll be lucky to barely pass $700 mil.

>>85321510
>on course to make 800-900m worldwide

That would be one of the greatest comebacks in cinematic history

>>85321743
You know it hasn't opened in most foreign markets right?

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>>85321422
>She's clearly into him though, and will probably hook up in the next movie.
That's what I'm expecting. Zendaya is a pretty girl when dolled up. They made her frumpy on purpose. She'll be prettied up a la Anne Hatheway in Princess Diaries and Peter will fall for her. Peter dates "MJ" but the fanboys can't flip out because it's not Mary Jane. Everyone wins.

>>85321783
Ok, so you think the remaining foreign markets will bring in 400+mil?

>>85321847
desu i don't care as long as it's well done

By the way - how does this work ? Does Sony and Marvel do all future Spiderman movies together now? Because i thought Sony had a tight grip on him. What's going on ?

Shit it not doing well means the mainstream market doesn't like it, which means I gotta like it

>>85317414
Yeah, nothing but fucking POTC the week before, Transformers the week after, along with The Mummy, Cars3, a d Despicable Me.

It's like nothing got released for a whole month. [/sarcasm]

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>>85315148
the explanation of why its a disaster is simple:

Jewish media forcing diversity on us by making Mary Jane a nigger. I believe people are redpilled and can smell the forced diversity jewish propaganda on us. Disney needs to understand that the american people have been woken up and don't fall for that shit. Stick with the fucking original source, if it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>85324251
my friend who's a huge normie that saw this shit said that it was boring and full of ugly people lol