Throw me some Postmodern Neo-Marxist Cinema /tv/

>>85274495
Jordan Peterson is a fucking idiot when it comes to Marxism
HURR DURR MARXISM IS INVALIDATED BC MUH HOLODOMER
yeah if we go by this shit capitalism has a bigger death toll when to take imperialism and colonialism and the wars what happened due to it into account
He doesn't go into any direct critisms of dialectical materialism or the Labour theory of value but just spouts bullshit illogical arguments
He's just an opportunist riding the wave of the new "LE CONSERVATISM IS THE NEW COUNTERCULTURE"meme

>>85274671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TbbvXK5QS8

>>85274495
>Postmodern
I guess I don't really know the definition of this term for certain, but isn't a lot of cinema Postmodern? A lot of it doesn't have characters, or plot. Some directors (Bresson) get their actors to show as little emotion as possible.

Isn't this what postmodernism (when applied to art) is supposed to be? Disregard for all rules?

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>>85274671
Tell us how you really feel.

>>85275037
He's got a point though. Even if Marxism didn't result in catastrophe, the central logic of Marxism can be refuted. The labor theory of value, for example, isn't at all consistent with reality.

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>>85275177
Not really
The economic calculation problem can be overcome through cybernetics
Check out Paul cockshott and his work
I'd recommend reading towards a new socialism

>>85274671
why are there so many post-modernist faggots on 4chan

>>85274671

Portraying "colonialism" as a practice only done by whites is intellectually dishonest and betrays how much cultural Marxism has warped your brain. You've been taught a false and limited version of history to manipulate you to think a certain way. You've also had the horrors of communism soft-pedaled and Nazi atrocity overblown in order to make you think a certain way.

Whites have never been the only group of people to violently or non violently expand. Attempting to hang cultural shame on them for expansion is racist, something that you would claim to be against. Read more history and look at what Islam did. Hell, look at what the Bantu did.

Communism has committed genocides and caused mass starvation in every implementation. There's no disputing this. And the only communist reply to this are to either outright lie or attempt to change the subject.

You've been lied to and you really need to start reading more actual history instead of the cultural Marxism you've been force fed.

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>>85274798
>The Tyrone/Rog saga was 7 years ago

>>85275400
I never said that only white are responsible for colonialism you fucking cretin it's a result of capitalism not white people
The japs were colonists too

>>85275397
How am I a post modernist now?

>>85275556

Notice how he doesn't refute or address the mass genocide and starvation and torture caused by the communists and tries to drag the discussion into minutiae.

It's the only place someone subverted by communism can argue-they have to present you with an incredibly warped version of reality for their views to be logical. His reasoning: If I misrepresent your statements and make a wild distortion of what capitalism is, my line of thinking is superior!

Sir I am not here to listen to your fantasies of what communism is. We must discuss real facts.

>>85275397

Because it's an inherently post modernist site.

>>85275767
On the famines in Russia and China
They implemented Collectivization which caused the crisis
First off all Collectivization is not an inherent part of Marxism
It was a strategy used by the Russians to boost their economy as Russia was semi feudal and not capitalist
I'd Russia had been industrialised b4 the revolution they didn't had to Collectivize the agriculture to boost industrialisation
There are examples of Marxism applied to the real world where there were no famine but in some cases like Burkina faso Marxist policies helped them become self reliant for food

>>85275954

>not real communism meme

That's not an argument. You're trying exactly what I said you would by trying to move the argument to the hypothetical. Well it would have worked if they were only communist enough!

I'm not here to argue against a perfect hypothetical system that only exists in your fantasies. Let's talk about the millions dead and starved by those who adopted communist policies and called themselves communists.

>>85274495
Salo (150 Days of Sodom)

>>85276062
Never said it wasn't real socialism
But it isn't an inseparable part of Marxism
It was something very specific to that time and those circumstances
I'd it is an inherent part of Marxism explain how Burkina Faso under sankara didn't have the same fate dispite sankara being a Marxist and appluomg Marxist principles

>>85276144
Applying*

>>85274495
I doubt that's even a thing.

The only thing I can think of that might come close to that is North Korean propaganda.

>>85276144

Again you're trying to weasel around it. People with any understanding of history see the hundreds of millions of dead caused by communism and you can't come up with a coherent counterpoint.

This is why you really need to sort yourself out. I'm glad we got this opportunity for you to leave your echo chamber.

>>85275397
post-modernism goes all the way back to Kant's critique of pure logic. You yourself undoubtedly employ post-modernist thinking without realizing it. Purposely using illogical or fallacious arguments to ridicule an idea contrary to your own because you believe promoting your ideals is more important than logical consistency and good-faith debate smacks of post-modernism.

Chances are that unless you've totally isolated yourself from all developments in philosophical and cultural thought in the western world since the 19th century, you've taken on post-modern ideas without realizes they were post-modern.

>>85276377
not that guy but your posts are nothing more than recycled talking points you've picked up from watching peterson youtube videos. you don't strike me as much of a 'reader'

>>85276377
You just keep saying you're argument is invalid bc people died
I explained why it isn't a part of Marxism and provided you with real life counter examples to that
And you still don't get it
This is exactly why I dont like JBP he doesn't criticise Marxism he just says there was a famine in Russia ajd China therefore Marxism is invalid
Well there was a huge famine in capitalist India which killed millions of people but that's never brought up when we talk about capitalism

>>85274495
damiano go back to shitposting on facebook

All I know about this guy is he's a Canadian Jesus freak who is obsessed with iconography.

>>85276491

>if I attack your point and don't provide anything of my own I win

You don't strike me as much of anything.

>>85276653

But you're fucking lying. And this is how your brain is completely fucked. The seizure of land and implementation of gommunism was mirrored in Zimbabwe and caused the same fucking result.

You literally can't argue with a complete distortion of the truth. Your only argument is to completely lie about history which is a fucking google search away. You need to sort yourself out.

>>85274671
hang yourself red scum

>>85277030
can the US government and capitalism be held responsible for genociding native americans with their own policies of land seizure and forced displacement?

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>>85274671
Marxism is literally the perfect ideology. Plebs have been pumped so full of it that they now confuse its basic tenets with that of its polar opposite, the protestant capitalism which transformed the sleepy pre-enlightenment globe into the raging powerhouse of modernity that it is today. """""Conservative"""""" legislators and (((((Conservative)))))) commentators criticize the most basic elements of capitalism as the demonic workings of Marx, and prepare us all to be dominated by communist institutions in the name of traditionalism. Hell god baby damn no I found something.

>>85277135
It kills millions you idiot

>>85277030
Cuba,Albania,Burkina Faso didn't have famines
I don't think Zimbabwe is ruled by a communist party or is Marxist
How did I lie about history?
Stop saying "oh you're lying and distorting shit" and actually ecolaom what I'm lying about it am distorting in history

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>>85277161
>fails to comprehend my post
I told you it is perfect.

>>85276491
>ha ha I'm totally not a butt hurt Marxist haha but you sound dumb
Pathetic

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>>85277233
t. pic related

>>85276377
This is the eco chamber

>>85277161
The dumber an ideology is, the more people it kills, the more perfect it becomes, because the point of ideology is to snare plebs and dominate them on behalf of the patrician class.
You confuse critical thinking with ideology. It is not that. It lies outside the domain of ideology. The hammer is not the house, it is a tool used to build it.

>>85277255
>that projection
Did I hit a soft spot?

>>85277167
Explain *

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>>85277335
damage control

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>>85275954
>First off all Collectivization is not an inherent part of Marxism
Of course not anon. Communism is all about private property and individual trade.

>Burkina faso Marxist policies helped them become self reliant for food
Ah, yes, the so successful Burkina Faso, and its highly developed 185th HDI rank.

>>85275397
>>85275397
nigga everyone is postmodern you fucking retard

>>85277445
Either you're lying rn or you're an idiot
Pls explain how collectivization is an inherent part of Marxism
Also Burkina Faso did way better under Marxism than it did under capitalism idc about world rankings

>>85277445
So now collectivization=abolishing of private property and free markets?
Just Google collectivization and see it that's what it is
It was a very specific policy I'm the USSR
Show me where marx or engels or even Lenin talks about collectivization

>>85275397
It's hilarious how clueless Peterson fags are that they don't realize how much of a postmodern he actually is.
Not a surprise, since they also seem to have no clue about what marxism actually is and just throw it around as an empty insult, just like "nazi" or "fascist" have become in the past years.

>>85276377
>hundreds of millions of dead caused by communism
There's been just as much caused by feudalism and capitalism. It's just a stupid point to raise if you're attempting to discuss the actual ideologies.
See how Cuba, a country that has jack shit when it comes to natural resources has managed to survive this long, improving on the life conditions of its inhabitants and is even in the vanguard of medicine at a world level. It's just a fucking shitty island that had to deal with the US fucking with them for years and years, and they still managed to do that. It can work.
Is it a flawless paradise? Of course not, but which country is?

>>85277161
So does (neo)liberal capitalism by a six fold, you fucking dolt. And I'm not talking about wars for profit or imperialism shirt.

>>85277574
limits people being individuals and having their own ideas. Everyone gets rewards or its racist or sexist etc etc.


Go watch his videos instead of asking people to relay the information.


So any TV or films thooo?

>>85274671
>when to take imperialism and colonialism and the wars what happened due to it into account

While does capitalism get blamed for colonialism and imperialism? Do people think governments didn't conquer people for resources until capitalism came along?

>>85279419
>le participation trophy meme
You have no idea what Marxism is
I'd suggest you to read up about it and actually know what it's about instead of learning about it through Peterson bc he surely is not knowledgeable on the subject

>>85279731
Post-industrialism imperialist and colonialist practices happened under capitalist states, with capitalist justifications.

>>85279845
Both imperialism and colonialism happened in the past under non-capitalist states, so why are they now both considered a consequence of capitalism? Because capitalist states did them later? and what are these capitalist justifications?

>>85279731
No it wasn't an economic necessity b4 capitalism
In order for capitalism to generate greater profits than the home market can yield, the merging of banks and industrial cartels produces finance capitalism—the exportation and investment of capital to countries with underdeveloped economies. In turn, such financial behaviour leads to the division of the world among monopolist business companies and the great powers. Moreover, in the course of colonizing undeveloped countries, business and government eventually will engage in geopolitical conflict over the economic exploitation of large portions of the geographic world and its populaces. Therefore, imperialism is the highest (advanced) stage of capitalism, requiring monopolies (of labour and natural-resource exploitation) and the exportation of finance capital (rather than goods) to sustain colonialism, which is an integral function of said economic model. Furthermore, in the capitalist homeland, the super-profits yielded by the colonial exploitation of a people and their economy permit businessmen to bribe native politicians, labour leaders and the labour aristocracy (upper stratum of the working class) to politically thwart worker revolt (labour strike).

>>85274495
Julian DOnkey Boy
I stand Alone
For you the living
Where the Dead Go to Die
A field in england
Cremaster CYcle
Trashhumpers

home videos taken from other peoples homes.

watching any VHS video tape for the distortion

>>85274671
I don't really like him either but you're a commie faggot and need to KYS.

>>85279936
>Moreover, in the course of colonizing undeveloped countries, business and government eventually will engage in geopolitical conflict over the economic exploitation of large portions of the geographic world and its populaces. Therefore, imperialism is the highest (advanced) stage of capitalism, requiring monopolies (of labour and natural-resource exploitation) and the exportation of finance capital (rather than goods) to sustain colonialism, which is an integral function of said economic model. Furthermore, in the capitalist homeland, the super-profits yielded by the colonial exploitation of a people and their economy permit businessmen to bribe native politicians, labour leaders and the labour aristocracy (upper stratum of the working class) to politically thwart worker revolt (labour strike).

None of this is a necessity of capitalism. There is nothing about developing foreign economies that necessitates any sort of violence or exploitation.

>>85274495
Haneke Seventh Continent
Lanthimos Dogtooth
Howard, Moore Zootopia
German Hard to be a God
Loach I, Daniel Blake
Kaufman Synecdoche NY

Blue is the Warmest Color
The Zero Theorem
Battle in Heaven
City of God
Elysium (aka Space Healthcare)
Elephant

>you can convince people to start believing in Jungian archetypes if you get yelled at by SJWs

is this the power of patreon...?
... woah...

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>>85274671
unironically this

>>85274495
Pacific Rim?

>>85280033
>There are cocacola deathsuqads in Latin America
>Nokia hires thugs to beat the Fuck out of union leaders in India

Also capitalism is exploitative in nature
The worker doesn't receive the full price of the Labour he produces as the capitalist takes a part of it for profits

>>85277135
Marxism is a secular eschatology that at its core seeks to destroy the natural world to 'somehow' bring forth a new world. I find the greatest humor in the fact that Marx outright describes religion as opium yet he managed to create such a secular religion himself and none of his proponents sees this.

Its is eerily occult when zombie-like followers speaks of an 'afterworld' (post civilisation) which will be perfect and >>85277161 then understates because it seeks to kill all and everyone, in order for some new 'afterlife world' to exist. And I will fight against anyone who wishes to see such a world brought forward as long as I breathe.

>>85280033
>The democratically elected leader of Chile was killed and replaced with an American backed dictator bc he nationalised the economy
Not bc of capitalism ?

>>85280215
Pretty much this. Also Marx failed to realize cultural power and unity is stronger than class division.

>>85280215
Explain the natural world that Marxist seek to destroy
What do you mean by natural

>>85279188
It is funny that a lot of his ideas are fairly "postmodernist" (even though it's kind of a buzzword these days). People rail against postmodernism without even really understanding what it is, and that a huge range of stuff can fit under it. I think a lot of them just believe in this one really narrow kind of it that a lot of the "anti-SJW" YouTubers have popularized.

>>85280267
Define post modernism.

>>85280291
Say please.

>>85280305
You can't. Thought so.

>>85280240
>cultural power and unity is stronger than class division
Keep telling yourself that. Look at London and the burnt out building in one of the richest areas in the country. Look at gentrification. The veil's coming off, mate.

>mention communism doesn't work and has had embarassing results
>edgy 18 year old fag that hasn't move out of his meme phase recommends me to go read literature on it (which he himself has never read)
Every fucking time lads

>>85280366
This >>85280305 is me. I wasn't the guy you were arguing with, you little shit.

>>85280291
>Define post modernism
Well part of the definition is that it's so far-reaching. In the vaguest sense it's just the belief that a large part of reality is up for interpretation or is nuanced. Thus if you say something like "God is something that varies between each person but you can still recognize it as God" or "you have to make your own purpose in life and that is what gives your life objective purpose" those could both be postmodernist ideas, and Peterson has gone with arguments along those lines before. Of course you ask a bunch of postmodernists what postmodernism is and their responses will differ, but Peterson and most people these days usually hold beliefs that are influenced by (or at least in common with) postmodernism.

>>85280179
>There are corporations that take part in exploitative practices
>capitalism is now a system that necessitates exploitation

Who is deciding what the full price of labor is? The laborer? By what metric?

>>85280234
Explain to me what about this is a necessity of capitalism.

>>85280240
>cultural power and unity is stronger than class division
Only brainlets think that someone will be by their side just bc muh culture (I dont think you even mean culture you just mean race) lol rich people don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves and their own class interest they don't care what race you are

>>85280260
A world that is not caused or created by humankind, is what I mean by natural world. There is the same desire in Marxism as I see in Transhumanism, and even Christianity. The same eschatology of life in the natural world as somehow inherently repulsive - only through death and then rebirth in and of a 'virtual' world, can one truly have happy living.

This, to me, is sickening and a death cult. It is the idea that our earth is not our home but a iron prison and only through death can we 'hope' to escape.

>>85277161

to save billions...

-The watchmaners

>>85280033
>None of this is a necessity of capitalism.
Nor the Russian famine was a necessity of communism or marxism, but you don't seem to have any issues putting the blame on it.

>>85280419
They can't access foreign markets also can't get cheap labour to make bigger profits off of
Also the fear of a good example for a system other than capitalism
If the entire third world stopped working for first world companies the whole economic system would collapse

>>85280410
>Post modernism is whatever you want it to be
This is why academia stagnated.

>>85280425
This is the problem with Marxist thinking, they can't acknowledge that culture goes beyond race.

>>85274495
Fences
Manchester By the Sea
Umi Yori Mo Mada Fukaku
Moonlight
Mommy (2014)
Beyond the Hills (2012)
Things to Come
Clouds of Sils Maria
Leviathan

>>85277255
>>85277359
based tinny

>>85280472
Pretty much. I think it makes sense to argue against it as a term or as a meaningful thing, but a lot of people seem to just use it as being the root of all SJW related things which it isn't. If people attacked it as being a pointless buzzword that everyone gives to much importance to, then I'd agree, but instead everyone attacks it as some malevolent force which just enforces it as being something that actually has a point.

>>85280034
>>85280517
Good lists.

>>85280375
Says the person who's sole "learning" or "research" consists of cherry picked, artifacted to hell and back images from /pol/ and le epic Alt-Right youtubers.

>>85280375
>Russia was a fucking backwards country, still on a feudal system in the 20th century
>Becomes a world power in less than 50 years, constantly pushing the envelope in science and technology

>Cuba is a shitty small island that barely has anything but sugar and tobacco
>Resists over 50 years of the US fucking with them, and BTFO every single assassination and invasion attempt from the US, while also becoming one of the better alphabetized countries in the world, and it's got some of the most advanced medicine in the whole world.
How fucking embarrasing!

>>85274495
>hurr durr be mature kids!
>get an hair transplant because is too insecure

>>85280517
Snowpiercer
High Rise
A Boy and the World (animated)

Cuba is a shit hole. And if you are attributing russian power as a product of communism, you are pretty much retarded and ignorant hundred of years of russian history.

>>85274495
The Hunger Games, I guess

>>85280735
Yeah, that's why they were so powerful before communism, right?
Nobody care who they were until they put on the red flag.

>>85280735
>Cuba is a shit hole
So's the greater part of the US by now. What's your point?

>>85280788
Absolutely false. Learn 18th and 19th century history.

>>85280788
They kind of were though.

>>85280028
Why are so many people on here irrationally autistic about talking to anyone even remotely communist? I sometimes even hear faggot parrot Red Scare-isms as if they were facts. You can disagree with communism as an economic theory all you want, but holy shit you need to calm down and stop pretending that literally everyone who engages with you is some Soviet agent.

Fuck.

>>85280794
that's only true because those parts of the USA are under communist liberal marxists

>>85280824
Because it's the shit neo/pol/ dragged in. Basically drones who repeat what they hear and aren't capable of having thoughts of their own. This is what happens when you corner them.

>>85280788
They absolutely were.

>>85280472
>I disagree with something
>this means acedemia stagnated

>>85274671
This is probably the most correct post here.

>>85274989
Postmodernism in cinema is one thing (not that great, it generally subverts modern tropes (or what we generally see as just tropes) without much commentary most of the time), but philosophical Postmodernism is a different thing, which is based on skepticism and questioning what is previously believed to be as unshakable truth. People have problem with it because they think it rejects any possibility of reasoning or claims that all ideas are equally true, which is propogated by people who have never read Derrida, which Peterson seems to be a part of with his blatant misrepresentations of what his writings were about, since Derrida himself explains in interviews that this view of his work is incorrect.

>>85280830
>state of healthcare
>Housing problem in next to every major city
>""Crisis management"" after disasters like Kathrina

2/10 made me reply.

>>85280888
>>85280819
>>85280816
t. Russians

>>85280920
Only I'm not. I'm just not an illiterate underaged retard.

>>85280794
You have no idea what you are talking about lad.
I see your kind every day on campus jerking off to che and Cuba while enjoying freedom, something Cubans don't have.

>>85280830
Do you really believe that, buddy?

>>85280830
>communist liberal marxists
Nice one!
It's also hilarious that you think there are any marxists or communist in any position of power in the USA.
I bet you even think Hillary is a communist.

>>85280920
This is your brain on Marxist revisionism.

>>85280896
I kind of agree with you about derrida but then the issue becomes at what point do you stop being hyper critical of truth claims? Derrida doesnt really answer this, the post modernist thinkers generally point to a vague notion of "dissect the past and find bias" etc etc but they dont actually hold up anything as true or as good to counter balance that.

So while it isnt fair i can see why many people such as peterson take postmodernist conjecture to its logical extreme (that nothing is true, or everything is perspective etc) because they undermine many traditions/institutions of thought in their work but do little to construct anything positivist in its place.

>>85280940
Don't act like you fucking know me, you damn clown.
Take a good hard look at where the US is heading in terms of social welfare and civic community. Maybe it'll help you get off that high horse of yours.

>>85274495
He is a cultural leech.
He feeds on the weak minded and easily impressed.

>you are now aware French post modernist were funded by the CIA.

Mmm really activates those diamonds...

>>85281017
Lol

>>85280939
If you were, you'd know what kind of shithole they were by the time of the revolution, and how it pushed it forward into the 20th century.
The funny thing is that the communists never rejected or ignored Russian history the way modern right wingers are trying to reject that part of their history.
Face it, a whole lot of the shit you've got today, you owe it to the communists. That is an undeniable fact.

if post modernism or marixm isn't at the root of sjwthink, what is?

>>85281050
Being a cunt.

>>85281032
>They were not in a state of global political power
>B-but they were a shithole to live in

Are you even able to lead a coherent argument, you sad sod? You're moving these goal posts like a fucking 12 year old.

>>85281050
American cult of individualism
>everyone is special!

>>85281086
Yeah, they were so fine that they had a revolution to change everything because they were bored of being such a great country.

>>85281050
Pretty much this >>85281078 They're fucking social outcasts that need to feel special. Same with any other radical fundamentalists, actually. Look at the alt right for example.

>>85280998
The age of ideology is over, trying to implement a system that has failed every time it has been tried is retarded.
I'm not even American, and I agree America is in disarray, but Marxist kids like you still dreaming of your fairy tale world while using Cuba as an example my blood boil because as much as you dislike it, Americans have much more freedom than many countries in the world.

>>85281125
This

People love to attach marxism to SJW think but at its core is a very american institution, there is a reason this shit is mostly contained to north america and isnt gaining that much traction elsewhere

>>85281141
>Russia wasn't powerful before communism
>What about the whole of the 18th and 19th century then
>No, they had a revolution shut up!

Stop replying to me, you fucking imbecil.

>>85281125
This, and Peterson ironically does nothing but keep pushing this forward with his "clean your room" shit that aims to put your own problems first, and the rest afterwards.
Nobody's room is clean. Just go out there and do shit, that's what everybody who ever made anything of importance has done, not just stay home to "sort himself out". That is some self help bullshit that only leads to egotism, apathy and conformism.

>>85280179
>The worker doesn't receive the full price of the Labour he produces as the capitalist takes a part of it for profits

If I hire you, I am going to pay you the market price for the kind of labour you have to offer. In that sense you are receiving the full price of your labour, and the fact that a company might(!) be able to make use of your labour in a way that creates an additional profit for them doesn't take away from that. That's such a common misconception based on the idea that the economy is a zero sum game. If a company is able to make a profit they must have 'stolen' it from someone else, i.e. the worker.

It also doesn't make sense if you consider the distribution of financial risk. If you are working in my company you get paid a wage X, but if I manage to create a profit through my company you cry: Muh capitalism.

But what if I don't? What if I only break even, or even operate at a loss? Are you going to take your 'fair share' of the company's losses as well? Not alot of worklng people could sustain themselves working for free or even for a negative income for a year.

So you're proposing that one side should have all the benefits and none of the risk which is obviously a system that wouldn't work very well.

>>85280986
Walter Benjamin - The Destructive character

>The destructive character knows only one watchword: make room. And only one activity: clearing away. His need for fresh air and open space is stronger than any hatred.
>The destructive character is young and cheerful. For destroying rejuvenate, because it clears away the traces of our own age; it cheers, because everything cleared away means to the destroyer a complete reduction, indeed a rooting out, out of his own condition. Really, only the insight into how radically the world is simplified when tested for its worthiness for destruction leads to such an Apollonian image of the destroyer. This is the great bond embracing and unifying all that exists. It is a sight that affords the destructive character a spectacle of deepest harmony.

>The destructive character is the enemy of the étui-man. The étui-man looks for comfort, and the case is its quintessence. The inside of the case is the velvet-lined trace that he has imprinted on the world. The destructive character obliterates even the traces of destruction.
>The destructive character stands in the front line of traditionalists. Some people pass things down to posterity, by making them untouchable and thus conserving them; others pass on situations, by making them practicable and thus liquidating them. The latter are called the destructive.
The destructive character has the consciousness of historical man, whose deepest emotion is an insuperable mistrust of the course of things and a readiness at all times to recognize that everything can go wrong. Therefore, the destructive character is reliability itself.

They revel in 'dissecting' and deconstructing the past because they want away with the natural world. It is purely eschatological. To immanentize the eschaton.

>>85274671
>yeah if we go by this shit capitalism has a bigger death toll when to take imperialism and colonialism and the wars what happened due to it into account

HURR DURR I'M FUCKING RETARDED: the post

>>85281159
>The age of ideology is over
Are you serious? Are you fucking retarded? You are actually being the post modernist retard right now if you seriously believe this.
Holy shit.

>>85274671
Hurrrdurrrrr rich americunt piece of shit waffles about socialism while he vomits over chans on his 3000 bucks Macbook.

>>85281159
>Marxist kids like you

Are you talking to yourself here? Get your head out of your paranoid ass and reread my posts, you dipshit. I'm not even a marxist, you dip.

>>85281159
>freedom
This meme again. Let me share a quote from Arthur Machen, who wasn't a communist btw:

>For, contrary to the common opinion, it is the wealthy who are greedy of wealth; while the populace are to be gained by talking to them about liberty, their unknown god. And so much are they enchanted by the words liberty, freedom, and such like, that the wise can go to the poor, rob them of what little they have, dismiss them with a hearty kick, and win their hearts and their votes for ever, if only they will assure them that the treatment which they have received is called liberty.

>>85280410
>accepting a sort of collective ultimate value is a form of post modernism
lmao

>>85281141
Nice reductionism. Russia was on the way to a more democratic syatem, Marxist Leninists obviously saw this opportunity to strike and take control. Funny cause the leading so called communist revolutionaries ended up becoming the new bourgeois and ruling over the working class, the one they tried to help.

Also funny, because everywhere people tried to implement a communist or socialist country, the same happened.

In fact the technological advancements were thanks to a central planned economy, and that was only for some years.

>>85281200
>aims to put your own problems first, and the rest afterwards
It's almost as if he works in psychotherapy or something. That's his job, fixing your problems. He's not there to fix the world.

>>85281260
Yeah, freedom is so bad...until you don't have it anymore.

>>85281141
According to that logic modern America is complete garbage, look at how many people are chimping out

>>85281304
>The space race Russia won was only thanks to pre sowjet planned economy they hadn't fucked up yet

Nice meme.

It's honestly ridiculous that there are people living in the 21st century in a western country that believe that communism is a good thing

>>85281335
Of course he is, but it's funny to see him hailed as some sort of philosopher, or deep thinker when he's just a psychologist that doesn't even have that much insight either.

>>85281260
Western countries have incredible potential for social mobility, just most people are lazy

>>85281353
I guess you didn't understand the quote. You don't have freedom, you just think you do because that's what they've told you.

>>85281366
I can say the same thing about right wing fascism. Or democracy. Or monarchy. Or religion.

>>85281382
Well he teaches philosophy, he taught me a lot in his lectures. He might not be a great thinker globally speaking, but on youtube, he's deep enough to stand out.

>>85281353
Are you retarded? How old are you? Seriously asking.

>>85281363
It was fucking retard.

At the time, Russia had a big push for winning the space race they allocated a ton of resources to it, that's why they had the upper hand in the beginning while USA didn't invest as much. Once USA got a bigger budget for the space race, guess what, the Soviet union couldn't keep up.

>>85281382
People will idolise fucking anything there are people that idolise trump and Obama, peterson never claims to be coming up with some new idea, he's just communicating information he learned from Dostoyevsky, Nietzsche and the like in an easily digestible form to the masses, it's weird how much this upsets some people

>>85281366
>>85281434
You can actually say that to anything that's not globalization and the believe in technological/scientific advance.

>>85281434
I'd say fascism and communism are quite a bit more terrible buddy

>>85281382
Well there aren't many philosophers nowadays thanks to post modernism or are they? Go to your Humanities department and there's not much thinking.
You could argue he's not a philosopher, but you can't deny he's a tinker.

>>85281464

My age isn't the issue here you fucking idiot.

I will fuck you up.

>>85281541
Lol. Sure sounds like it is though.

>>85281508
Well, we're on the same page here. I think Peterson is nothing but yet another college professor. I only regard him as that. It's his fans that are completely retarded to me, which I guess isn't his fault after all.
To pander to them and to constantly seek to prolongue monetize his viral fame is kinda shitty though.

>>85281424
And I guess you never lived in a country where the state dictates what you think or how you live.

>>85281572
I do, and so do you. You just don't realize that.

>>85281541
Nice false flag.

>>85281567
Yeah just cause some of his fans are obnoxious doesn't mean too much at all though, and I don't see aproblem with him getting paid by people that choose to pay him

>>85281531
But not religion or monarchies?

>>85281243
Is he supposed to criticize the system he was born into and is forced to operate within from outside said system? How do you think that would even be possible?

>>85281221
>1 in 9 people in the world are starving
>2.4 billion people don't have access to sanitized water and 300,000 children under age 5 die each year because of it
>50k Americans die from lack of health coverage a year

We don't even need to count imperialism and war to show that capitalism as a system kills millions annually

>>85281586
No you don't.
This is why the rest of the world laughs at Americans and yuros.
You've had a pretty good life, so you come up with small issues to feel oppressed.

>>85281586
Nice broad black and white brushing.

>What are degrees?

>>85281651
You can't be this blind or ignorant to what's going on around you.

>>85281651
>This is why the rest of the world laughs at Americans and yuros.

>Implying they matter

>>85281651
I'm not even American, you retard.

>>85281687
I know what happens around me.
Stop trying to feel morally superior.

>>85281649
>1 in 9 people in the world are starving

>implying all those numbers you quote wouldn't be WAY much worse without the advancements through modern world economic structures and trade that were essentially built by capitalism

>>85281739
Please. For the love of God. Tell me how old you are and that you are underage so I can sleep peacefully tonight.

>>85281748
And? Does that necessarily mean we shouldn't switch over to a different system now?

I'm just saying necessarily of course--you can fucking argue all day which system is better, but the idea that "hurr durr this is the one we used to get to this point" doesn't mean it's not possible it's time to switch.

>>85281649
>Wow a lot of people died over the history of humanity.
>If we have adhered to primitive communism this would have never happened!
Nice intellectual dishonesty.

>>85281748
>Implying communism didn't bring on any advancements in health, technology and other things that improved live quality as well.

>>85281771
why wold you switch from a system that has made america the most powerful country in the history of the world just because some poor africans somewhere can't into civilisation?

>>85281769
You can't say anything. Go to sleep.

>>85281771
I'm quoting progress of capitalist globalization.
What can you quote for your argument to "switch over to a different system"?
Also: Who should switch? What's stopping you from trying? Feel free to make a change.

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>>85281728
>not american
>calls other people "retard"

>>85281790
You're right, but it's the same as saying that everything good happened because of capitalism.

>>85281771
We tried, and we failed every time.

>>85281812
Ok, thanks for confirming.

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>>85281818
>American
>Implies he's not a retard

>>85281839
>don't have anything to say
>Be cornered
>Try to shame the other person, use ad hominems etc
Do they teach this tactic in the Communist manifesto?lol
Every single time.

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>>85281649
>capitalism as a system kills millions annually

That's such a dishonest argument. Yes, almost all countries in the world are capitalistic, and yes there is poverty and there are people who don't have access to certain things etc.

But to suggest that any form of economic organisation exists outside of peoples' imaginations that would have eliminated all of these things by now is either misinformed or dishonest.

Poverty has been a reality of human existence long before capitalism came around. But what system has actually empirically proven to improve the quality of life for the average person on this planet over time?

It's so easy to focus on the the poorest and downtrodden and say: Look how evil the system is. But if you zoom out and look at the bigger picture you'd see that things are actually moving in the right direction in many ways not despite but because of capitalism.

You can mess with this proven system of economic organisation at your own peril. How is Venezuela doing these days?

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>>85281862
>"i-i-i know you are but what am i"

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>this thread

Communism can't work in a planet of billions not people.
You need to erase cultural and ideological differences and good luck with that.
Just look where it has been tried. Where it succeeded and where it didn't.
Everything bigger than Catalonia failed and a new ruling class emerged.

>>85275556
stay mad fucking cumskin

>>85280629
kek
Kek
KEK

Sort yourselves out.
>>>/leftypol/
>>>/reddit/

>>85281805
Is human history over yet? I didn't get the memo. I know America is powerful and all but that's such an autistic statement.

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>>85274495
>>85274671
Lmao.

Neither modern day marxists are anything close to real marxists, who were extremely socially conservative as well as supportive of worker's rights rather than LGBTROFLBBQ rights, nor are conservatives actually conservative. Both sides of you Americans are liberal. One is economically liberal and the other socially, both forms of liberalism are equally bad.

>you now realise leftypol gets university credits for "combating" rascism on 4chan
I don't know who are the worst ones.
Poltards that do it for free, or leftypoltards that got told to do it for free.

>>85282112
>best living conditions in human history
>never before seen technological advancement
>over a billion people lifted out of poverty in the last 30 years

>let's just roll the dice lol could be better

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>>85282192
>there not real marxists
Of course not sure thing kid. You don't get to pick and choose just because they make your point look not as shit.

nice movie recommendations, i don't know which to start with

>>85274671
He talks about the cultural ramifications of Marxism and the frankfurt school, as well as its effects on the university. He is a psychologist, not an economist. Not sure what you expected desu.

>>85282293
By this logic supporting Trump means that you are unironically a supporter of genocide.

>>85280629
This guy isn't wrong. 19 century Russia was a mess, 20th century was better for a common man.

>>85282293
They literally denounce actual communist states though. They denounce Stalin and Mao both. They don't give a shit about the workers, which is the main focus point of socialism, they give a shit mostly about LGBBQ and other mental patients, which is liberalism, not socialism. I guess you could call them 'social democrats', which isn't socialism either. SocDems make it very clear in what they say that they aren't socialist.

Also since you didn't bring up the "conservatives" being liberals, which I assume you don't deny, ACTUAL conservatives would be pro tariffs and pro growing a national industry. It's the libs (masquerading as "conservatives" like Thatcher, Reacuck (the guy who invited most spics into the US)) that want to destroy local production and sell everything off to multinational corporations.

>>85282341
Tsarist Russia was a complete shithole with a few good leaders (Alexander II comes to mind), late era Romanov Russia was a complete shithole. The Bolshevik revolution didn't happen out of nowhere or because muh joos (Lenin was shipped in by Imperial government of Germany), it was because Nicholas II ruled the place like his personal feudal regime, protected his literal fag brother and gave incentive for the rise of gay bars throughout Moscow. Late Nicholas era Tsarist Russia rivaled Weimar Germany in decadence.

>>85274495
Pleasantville

>>85282274
Yes, that's great and all...but human history literally isn't that old.

>>85282274
And a culture of decadence and decay.

>>85282313
Exactly
He doesn't know about Marxist philosophy
So he should stfu about Marxism and talk about psychology
Btw critical theory is a part of philosophy
So he's in no position to talk about the cultural effects of Marxism as it is a philosophical subject not a psychological one

>>85282531
so we should make things worse for no reason then?

Why is this Peterson fag constantly spammed on 4chan? Almost as if he's paying someone to viral market for him so he can get another 500k/month in patreon donations

>>85282558
I'm not that other anon. I'm just saying why that uber-patriotic diaper wearing propaganda shit is dumb to say.

>>85282555
you obviously have no idea what you're talking about since he has studied philosophy extensively. His lectures are all about philosophy.

>>85282572

He's one of the few right wing talkingheads who's not obviously mentally immature, like, say, Sargon of Akkad, Lauren Southern or Alex Jones or cartoonishly evil like, say, Milo Yiannopoulos.

>>85282634
Those fags are all viral marketed on 4chan as well, you're not really helping your point

How much do you think he pays people to defend him on 4chan?

>>85282674

Probably not even that many, you get a few of them to shill for you and dozens more are gonna join in on their own who actually believe them.

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>>85280629
Mah nigga

>>85282634
>Peterson
>Right wing
Here we go.

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>>85274495
pink flamingos

>>85282572
Because he's the only person trying to save the Humanities.

>>85282745
he advocates right wing talking points and goes on the joe rogan show and shouts "praise kekistan" or whatever

he's pretty clearly right wing

>>85282634
It's nice to see people actually take Sargon and Lauren to task on this website instead of blindly sucking them off for being anti-fem

>>85282810
What does that even mean?

>>85282615
Yeah I can see that by how he fucking DESTROYED DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM or addressed any of the problems with the philosophical basis of Marxism
Oh wait that never happened
Also he used the most reatrded anti communist talking point in the joe Rogan podcast where he was saying reateded shit like just bc you have an iPhone you can't criticise capitalism

>>85282852
>he hasn't read the gulag archipelago

Sounds to me like someone needs to sort himself out

>>85282833
You have no idea what your talking about.
Nice black and white view of the world.

>Neo-Marxists films

Go to any college faggot's film-school and you'll find one.

>>85282919
Seriously, Jordan Peterson's followers remind me of a cult

when they come to an impasse or something they can't argue with, they just shout one of their cult mantras at people like "SORT YOURSELF OUT" or "CLEAN YOUR ROOM"

i wish this faggot political shit would stay the fuck off /tv/

>>85282951
>all colleges are marxist meme
It gets old, buddy.

>>85282949
>complaining about marxists and communists constantly isn't a trait of right wingers
He literally went on the joe rogan show and started talking about praising kekistan

he is 100% pandering to retarded 19-year-old /pol/ right wingers in order to get them to pay for his self help course

>>85282964
here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoG9zBvvLQ

>>85274495
Peterson fan bois are the most retarded
I was in a Facebook group dedicated to this retard and they made posts where they saw who can get prefect centrist In the meme compass test and were trying again and again commenting "just a little right/left" what a bunch of idiots

>>85283002
i'm not going to give him ad money, fuck off

>>85283015
>prove me wrong
>ok here
>fuck that

SORT

>>85283034
i don't even care about marxism in academia (lol i go to an engineering/math school) i just want you cult peterson-dicksucking faggots to get off my imageboard

>>85283015
Scared of having your ideology challenged? This is why academia stagnated, and this is why he's become popular.

But just keep keep crying
>Muh right wing

>>85283002
>marxists became post modernist and started using identity politics as a weapon
Where the Fuck does this shit come from
He's just pulling shit out of his ass and making up vague conspiracies

>>85282995
>Someone went to X place, that means he's absolutely X thing
Mmmmmm

>>85283075
nobody cares, go donate $100 to his patreon you fucking loser

he's making a million a year off of gullible idiots like you

>>85283106
He went on the Joe Rogan show and started saying praise kek and shit like that, you really can't into basic logic so pls don't try

>>85283084
>What is Frankfurt school
Also, they didn't become. They the Marxists.

>>85283114
Nice argument, a bit angry because because your worldview is challenged?

>>85283133
Memes have become a cultural weapon so...

>>85283160
Name one Frankfurt school philosopher who was advocating for identity politics as a means to reach communism

>>85283195
>he thinks everyone is as poorly read as him that the sophomoric rehashings spouted by peterson challenge their worldviews
Pick up a fucking book and stop relying on youtube ecelebs for insight into philosophy you moron.

>>85283219
>muh meme magic
>memetics xd
>meme warfare xdd
>epic memes!!! xdd
>>>/r/eddit

>>85283238
This desu
I think people are getting dumber and more polarized by ecelebs who misrepresent their opposing ideology and people but that shit bc it's easier to do this than to read and research shot by themselves so they never evolve but just become more and more seeped into their own ideological world view

>>85283238
>>85283349

are you guys retarded? Peterson's entire message is telling people to read and focus on their own self improvement.

>>85283349
Buy*

>>85283381
>just read and focus on their own self improvement
wow i never thought of doing that, thank god i have a youtube eceleb reminding me though

where do i sign up to give money to his patreon?

>>85283381
No it's not
He has a political agenda

>>85283160
>What is Frankfurt school
Literally decades old propaganda you fucking dimwit. How are people still falling for that meme?

>>85283416
Seeing as how you're spending time on /tv/ it seems pretty apparent you do need someone to tell you that.

>>85283424
Protecting free speech isn't a political agenda, it's a basic tenant of western civilisation.

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>>85274671
This idiocy just reeks of a YouTube education.

>Muh academics are evil and wrong, some dumb cunt I watch on said dialectical materialism as if she understands what it means and now I'm repeating it, as if misusing an -ism doesn't make me look like a complete fuckwit.

I am seriously triggered whenever dopey cunts like you misuse -isms.

>>85283464
Pffft
>muh freeze peaches
The pronouns shit wasn't even a big deal than he made it to be
He just uses the opportunity to attention whore and get le rationale skeptic crowd to like him
Here's a good video explaining why that bill wasn't the end of freedom
https://youtu.be/A26zTHuqRkg
And he does preach an Anti communist conservative ideas

>>85283464
>Seeing as how you're spending time on /tv/ it seems pretty apparent you do need someone to tell you that.
>people who post on /tv/ post on /tv/ all the time
If his only message is "telling people to read and self improve" his stature as a public intellectual is on the same level as Tony Robbins and other self-help hucksters

great thread

>>85283503
>he used a big word with ism in it
Yeah why's that a big deal?

>>85274671
I mean, labour theory of value is clearly wrong to anyone who knows anything about economics but Jordan Peterson is still a gigantic pandering asshat and I wish people would stop spamming him on 4chan.

>>85274495
Pinnochio

>>85283416
>>85283416
Don't act snide, everyone fucking knows it, it doesn't mean they'll do anything about it, Peterson's rhetoric and delivery works because he sounds like an assertive father, stop being a lazy sack of shit and work to better yourself; it's not a new or original message but he nails it right in. You can cynically disregard this as a purely marketing tactic but that's infantile, he appeals to adolescents because they're often the ones that need to hear that advice more than anyone, so maybe it doesn't apply to you so what? Why get on some high horse, because you've gleaned through his videos and his audience with righteous condescension doesn't mean he doesn't mean well, or more than that, he's actually attempting to pragmatise and Philosophy from its overly introverted self conscious nonsense?

Didn't realize there were so many commie cucks on 4chan, holy fuck you guys are so triggered by Peterson

>>85283724
Not the other anon you are screeching with but this is some cult-level shit...

>>85274495
Fuck you op stop shilling your politics here

>>85283724
>You can cynically disregard this as a purely marketing tactic but that's infantile
>being skeptical of giving your money to a self-help guru is infantile
lol whatever you say

>>85283724
>Peterson's rhetoric and delivery works because he sounds like an assertive father,
So you admit that he doesn't really hold any weight as a public intellectual and you only like him because he serves as your surrogate father figure? Okay, understood.

>>85283761
Alright fine, after reading what people have had to say here it's caused me to become more skeptical about him, particularly his diatribes against postmodernism, and his weird assurance in Archetypes to describe a wide range of multifaceted issues.
although I don't think it's right to cast him in a totally negative light, his psychological insights are fascinating, and of course you can say "Pick up a book and read it dumbass" to anyone who watches him but he manages to wade through a myriad of topics and most of the time, bring it all together to form his point, and who's saying that he won't spark the interest for people to read about Jean Piaget or Nietzsche? Why are you so sour about him man, I'm genuinely trying to understand.

>>85283745
Go back to /pol/. This is a liberal board.

>>85283964
>Why are you so sour about him man
Most people have a distaste for snake oil salesman types and the people who promote them.

Communism is a shit tier system and literally every country that tried it is either a shithole or went away from it.
>inb4 China
Calling China communistic is like calling a hooker who only does anal pure.
I don't why some people in America seem to like it so much. Probably because they never opened a history book or because they are mentally imature.

>>85283901
Give me some intellectuals. I don't care about that that's not my point, since when is a 'father' figure who wants you to man up a little a bad thing? He gives sage advice, it's not new but it's substantiated, and so it moves beyond platitudes.

>>85284011
Ok how is he a salesman and how is he manipulative?

>>85284083
he's literally selling self-help courses lol

>>85284096
His "self-help" program was clinically tested and was proven to have a highly beneficial effect though

>>85284140
Proof?

>>85274671
fpbp

>>85284060
>since when is a 'father' figure who wants you to man up a little a bad thin
A lot of that don't need that because we had actual fathers and the idea that we need to heed the watered down philosophy 101 self-help bullshit from a "father figure" is just laughable and your assertion that if we don't it's because our "worldviews are being challenged" is just insulting.

You really that dense to not understand this? You might as well go to a Tony Robbins seminar while you're at it, mate.

>>85284184
a lot of us*

>>85284156
It reduced the drop-out rate of college students who did it by something like 40%, go look it up

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>>85284140
>His "self-help" program was clinically tested and was proven to have a highly beneficial effect thoug
lol you're literally just repeating the marketing material verbatim now

>>85282846
It means that in the universities, areas like english literature, anthropology, sociology, gender/racial studies are teaching students that they're helpless victims oppressed by the patriarchy. He is pushing back against this.

>>85281649
>hurr durr a person in a first world (capitalist) country eating desert while a person on the other side of the world starves means the system is directly responsible for the death

You fucking commies think that everybody else is entitled to everything regardless of the logistical problems of feeding the entire fucking world.

And it's like you cannot acknowledge how communist countries don't even bother to feed the poor in other countries like capitalists countries do because COMMUNISM CANNOT EVEN FEED ITS OWN PEOPLE. Fuck, going by the numbers then communism is literally infinitely worse than capitalism.

>there are poor people in a whole fucking planet that don't have the same resources

The same points above apply here, you fucking retard. Communism could barely provide for its own people, let alone the rest of the fucking planet.

Also, it's hard to provide for countries where the population doubles every decade. Even so they're being provided for and further taken out of extreme poverty at a rate of thousands per day, no thanks to commies and their crumbling infrastructure.

>people are entitled to the work and money of others

No they're fucking not. People get sick and short of forcing millions people to spend years training to become doctors, provide their services for free and have the industry provide the millions worth of equipment and utilities there will never be enough to cover every single person. Tough fucking luck. Move to Canada or some shithole if you're so happy waiting months for a scan, diagnose or procedure.

Better yet, move to a commie shithole and die from AIDS from reused syringes or an infection in the public hospitals that look like a gas station restroom.

>>85283015
He actually doesn't monetize his videos. Plus that isn't his channel

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>implying psychology isn't a pseudoscience

>>85284240
>He actually doesn't monetize his videos
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

you actually believe this

>>85280472
Academia hasn't stagnated at all. It's just more specialised so you don't see published these big knock-down ideas that transform how we perceive reality. That's a hallmark of modernism, and the big ideas are generally inadequate or misguided or mischaracterised by others and whatever

>>85284245
>implying Cognitive Science won't eventually supersede Folk Psychology

Who /CogSci/ major here

>>85284221
>areas like english literature, anthropology, sociology, gender/racial studies are teaching students that they're helpless victims oppressed by the patriarchy

You'll excuse me if I want better than the hopelessly unreliable word of some /pol/ pissbottle for that. Or not, which is better.

>>85284221
Oh, so you are just brainwashed?

>>85284193
I asked for proof, faggot.

>>85284184
Explain to me how it is watered down Philosophy 101.

>>85281050
postmodernism and marxism are at the root of the alt-right too ironically

>>85284245
>biological psych

>>85281125
True, deconstruction and whatever didn't resemble its current state before the French were translated into English and published in the US

>>85284096
It's worth noting that he doesn't really shill the future authoring program. He gave it away for free multiple times. The vast majority of his material is free. Right there on the youtoobs

>>85284297
Nah, It's just that I actually watched his videos to see what it's all about since I heard so much vitriol directed his way. Also, I've been in university and seen the type of feminism that makes people spew nonsense about the patriarchy and "rape culture." That's the type of thing I disagree with.

>>85284292
Not even /pol/ lol. I'm just relaying my experience in university.

>>85281748
There wouldn't be nearly as many people at all if not for modern agriculture so it is partly to blame why so many are starving

>>85284378
>I watched a youtube video and browsed /pol/ once and since I am easily swayed, I actually believe that rape culture and patriarchal societies don't exist anymore since it's "counterculture" to repeat those talking points that most all modern historians disagree with.
I bet you unironically think you are crusading against da ebul feminists too.

>>85284378
>"no such thing as rape culture"
>Brock Turner never happened
>obviously was just an outlier and not an attitude trend.
I bet you were one of the loudest autists during Cosby's trial that all the women were faking for the money.

The only proof we need that lefties are hypocrites is this: they praise communist states but NOT ONE OF THEM has moved to one of them i.e. North Korea.

/thread
/communism

>>85284500
Fuck off back to SRS you raving lunatic

>>85284512
NK is closer to fascism

>>85284523
Back to r/The_Donald, kiddo.

>>85274671
How many more failed communist states do we need before you retards finally catch on.

>>85284523
I'd love for you to explain to me how mentioning Brock Turner, a poor ol' dindu who obviously slipped and fell into an unconscious woman by accident, makes me a raving lunatic?

>>85284576
I bet you felt really smart saying that too

>>85284434
I shouldn't have expected a higher level of discourse than this. Don't project. I don't browse /pol/, and I didn't quite say that patriarchal societies don't exist. But characterizing the western world as nothing but corrupt doesn't look right to me.

>>85284500
So our whole culture can be defined by the Brock Turner case? What do people THINK of Brock Turner? That he's a good guy?

>>85275556
Capitalism didn't even exist as an ideology/economic theory when colonialism began.

>>85284252
Show me how you know I'm wrong, then. The money is from patreon only.

>>85284213
>>85284156
http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/07/10/419202925/the-writing-assignment-that-changes-lives

The study they cite: http://www.palgrave-journals.com/articles/palcomms201514#discussion

>>85284593
>But characterizing the western world as nothing but corrupt doesn't look right to me.
Except nobody is doing this outside of a few Tumblr posters. It's a made up problem you invented to make yourself sound less like a batshit loon.
>So our whole culture can be defined by the Brock Turner case?
Shit like this happens all the time, that's the point. Rape victims are even villified or called liars for speaking out. Have you read any national rape and sexual assault statistic in your entire fucking life? The fact that he got away with it completely scott free should alarm you immensely to issues America still has in addressing rape or our attitudes towards it. That's not SJW shit, that's a reality we have to deal with as a national discussion. The fact that you are so uneducated on the subject, probably lends to why you dismiss it. You live in a hypersexual culture, kiddo...

>>85275954
I guess China, Cuba, North Korea, nor North Vietnam weren't "real" communist. Tell me commie, what nation has practiced real communism?

>>85284678
But none of this claims what you said earlier...

>>85274495
Has he ever really explained his critique, every time I see him on Rogan's podcast he just seems to throw out "postmodernist" or "postmodernism" out there willy nilly as a sort of catch all for everything he doesn't like. His discussions of both Derrida and Foucault on those shows also lead me to conclude that he probably hasn't ever really read them

>>85277135
>Western Europe and US are the wealthiest countries on Earth
>communist nations were among the poorest and couldn't even sustain themselves, ergo their system collapsed on itself

>>85284785
t. postmodernist

All the marxists itt should kill yourselves, for the sake of humanity.

DUDE JESUS LMAO
How is anyone except conservative yank retards supposed to take this guy seriously?

>>85279936
None of the capitalist nations today are colonialist anymore so your argument completely fails. They're still functioning without their colonies. Furthermore, the US became an independent nation without colonies (except perhaps philippines). It became a superpower without colonies.
You can't blame the Roman Empire's expansion on capitalism so you can't do the same with colonialism.

>>85279936

Jesus christ I hope this post is bait.

>>85284682
>Except nobody is doing this outside of a few Tumblr posters.
University campuses. That's where this stuff happens. I'm not the caricature that you think I am. I'm really not trying to say that this shit is happening literally everywhere. Google "white privilege poster" in images. People were posting these stupid things up on my campus years ago. Inb4 pol (I'm not white, either)

As for rape culture, I think we're talking about two different things. I just don't see people encouraging or celebrating rape. Rapists are sent to prison (if things are working). I mean, if the Brock Turner case is the norm in 'murica, then that's too bad.

>>85284746
I'm not the other anon you replied to. I just did the quick google search for his lazy ass. That was the most relevant thing I found

>>85284816
>asking questions is postmodernist

>>85284785
A bunch of times. Here's one. Starts about 2 minutes in https://youtu.be/s4c-jOdPTN8

>>85284682
you cant blame it on tumblr posters when its happening in universities all around the world, its happening in the places where kids go to get educated

>>85284895
When people refer to "rape culture", it is more an overarching term addressing carry-over attitudes from a few decades ago that undermine or treat women like sexual objects and not people. Shit that was acceptable to do to/at women 30 years ago, is considered sexual assault by our current standards even but some aspects of that carry-over continue or are reinforced by hypersexuality and immediacy of sexualizarion of both men and women in media. It's why people actual make the argument in defense of some rape or sexual assault, by saying she "led him on" or "was asking for it." Unfortunately, this attitude is magnified by a variety of factors...chiefly the internet. That's what the discussion on rape culture is.

>>85284981
>it is happening everywhere meme
It really isn't, bud. Mostly when people make this complaint, they just let slip how they are already ideologically opposed to most of these general principles in the first place.

You only see a specific demographic complain about values they personally dislike...pretty strange coincidence, huh?

>>85284981
Do you think it could just be you?

>>85284895
Okay, there are a few dumb things that extreme far-left people say sometimes, but white privilege in America is and has been absolutely and 100 fucking percent a thing. You need to deny basic reality to pretend it doesn't exist.

>>85281906
I'm not a communist, you inept fuck. Stop projecting like a twelve year old.

>>85283845
Don't you have a BLACKED thread to attend to?

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>Marx actually thinks that marriage is nothing but a conspiracy for men to steal the the labor of a woman and their children
>he literally says this shit within the first two chapters of the communist manifesto
>people read this, believed it and never questioned it at all
>a century later children still do so and don't see the hilarity of an ideology that preaches such nonsense, nor the horror that people can take it seriously

>>85285312
>my life is harder than yours

Pathetic mindset.

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>>85275318
If the Labor theory of value has any merit, why are holographic first-edition Charizard cards worth upwards of $300?

Checkmate, tankies.

>>85281906

You have no idea what the communist party manifesto is or what it is about, do you

>>85285369
When it comes to disparities between minorities, yes...that is historically an argument you sheltered retard. Right off the top of my head, I can think of redlining. Which is still done. I have a feeling you don't even know what that is.

>>85274671
>or the Labour theory of value
He doesn't need to do this because it has been continuously rebuffed over the 20th century, and is becoming even more rusty and irrelevant in the 21st.

>>85285194
Fair enough. I'm no fan of that shitty victim-blaming attitude. I just never liked the term because I usually see it linked to...well misandry. Basically saying that men are the problem. I know this is an extreme example, but this is what I mean: http://www.rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2017-07-im-done-pretending-men-safe-even-sons/

>>85285312
I'm not trying to say that it doesn't exist. It's just that when some people spoke up about how those posters are basically shaming them for being born white, the feminists essentially shouted them down. It was strange to see, as an outside observer. That's what really stood out to me. It's more-so the ACTION that I'm disagreeing with, in this case.

>>85285448
But you are just cherrypicking anecdotes and blogs to inform an opinion of a subject you literally admit you know little about...

>>85285448
Btw, thanks for sounding reasonable.

>>85285270
>>85285248
i dont even live in america and have lefty friends in different cities who even think that its too much

>>85285312
no white privilege doesnt exist anymore

>>85285312
>white privilege

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>85285312
you should realize that if youre starting to apply group guilt to different races then youre as far-left as most of those crazies

>>85285419
It's just a pathetic fancy way of saying "my life is so hard because I'm not white, or because I'm not this and that" and blame everyting on everyone else instead of changing what you can change and learning to deal with what you can't control.

>>85285510
That's just the most recent example that I can remember. Here's a real-world example. If you google "consent posters," these were posted up on my campus as well. Specifically the ones where the girl is passed out and it's like "just because she didn't say no," blah blah I'm sure you get it.

It's like...the type of person who would do such an awful thing isn't going to be convinced by some lame poster. This is how I've come across this issue IRL anyway.

>>85285592
>>85285639
You have to live in your own sheltered basement to think that white privlege either doesn't exist or never did, in a country that literally practiced chattel slavery and still redlines black districts...

For fuck's sake, Contra was only 1980.

>>85285613
Great rebuttal.

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>>85285744
>white privilege

Just stop posting you're embarrassing.

>>85285641
Nice denial, kid.

>>85285744
Fuck off you retarded SJW faggot, whites are no longer interested in listening to your guilt-trip shit

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>>85285767
>rebuttal of a claim with zero arguments

White privilege doesn't exist you fucking retard. Does white people have different laws to abide by than anyone else? No.

Kill yourself.

>>85285787
>you get called an SJW when talking about modern history now.
What a retarded faggot you must be. Did you even look up redlining?

>>85285744
no, youre sheltered by your friends and tumblr into thinking this is a normal idea

https://youtu.be/VO6nOocD1yg?t=35

The notion of white privilege: BTFO

kys SJW leftist trashcans

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>>85285813
>modern history
>white privilege
>slavery

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao

>>85285817
It is. This isn't even a SJW position really, friendoo. This is just a basic history lesson. If you honestly believe whites have never and still never benefit exclusively by American society, you are retarded.

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>>85285565
Lol it's sad that you need to say that. I generally avoid engaging in this sort of thing (here or on youtube) because people are too quick to project. It's hard to make a point without someone assuming you're like a nazi or a commie.

I used to just eat up all of that feminist rhetoric, until I started to see how they treat people who disagree with them. I think that's a decent summation of where I'm coming from.

>>85285870

Any proof? Does whites abide by different laws that non-whites do not?