Where are the roads, the farms, and the outlying buildings? I've

In the books, the Pelenor fields, the large grass land before the city, were actually an interconnected system of fields and farms whose population was evacuated into the city proper when Minas Tirith was sieged.

the engineers came and stole all the wheat from their fields to put on the alien planet

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>>85263527
Even fucking 300 is more realistic in this aspect: Sparta is shown surrounded by wheat fields.

The real question is what's their wheat tax

>>85263692
why didn't the engineers use the eagles to drop David into mount doom?

there were farm steads dotting the area near MT as well. The movie just made everything so small that even the Black Gate can be seen from MT

>>85263527
Blame Hackson.

>Pippin could see all the Pelennor laid out before him, dotted into the distance with farmsteads and little walls, barns and byres
> For ten leagues or more it ran from the mountains’ feet and so back again, enclosing in its fence the fields of the Pelennor: fair and fertile townlands on the long slopes and terraces falling to the deep levels of the Anduin

>>85264346
The real answer is proud dwarves of middle earth are growing plump helmets and pig tails underground

>>85264463
This Urist knows.

>>85263812
And 300 was also a movie that had tons of fantasy elements
But then again, 300 is supposed to be set in our world and LOTR is a fictional universe where apparently people don't need food
>>85264155
Engineers could have just dropped Xenomorph eggs on Mordor and then safely go in and destroy the ring in Mt Doom
>>85264450
Literally only the Shire had farms in the LOTR movies, every other population center doesn't have any
>>85264463
>>85263954
>>85263692
These guys get it

>>85263644
Wasn't there also an outer wall?

>>85264595
Fun fact: Minas Tirith was built as a shrine of Armok

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>>85263527
Hackson's fault.

I'm more concerned by that horses' dark ass-crack

the movie Minas Tirith is smaller than how I imagined it in the books

>>85264450
>>85264677
So, basically the Shire, a small village, has farms but Minas Tirith, a major city, does not have any. Also, what do the Orcs eat? They like to live in barren places like underground and Mordor, so what's their food supply? Do they not eat? Beter Fapson really didn't account agriculture and food supply into LOTR trilogy

>>85263527
I think it's meant to emphasize how desperate the situation is for Gondor

>>85263527
Who cares you fucking loser

>>85264732
That's a way better looking Minas Tirith than what was in the movie

>>85264732
So by this point they've already passed the outer wall, right? The sheer size of it all is insane, Minas Tirith is more of a small country than a city.

>>85264732
movie version is better, this looks like something from EPCOT

>>85264765
orcs eat nothin but maggoty bread

was the negro community pleased about many of their orcish brothers getting screen time?

>>85264765
>Also, what do the Orcs eat?

>They wondered how the Lord of this realm maintained and fed his slaves and his armies...Neither he nor Frodo knew anything of the great slave-worked fields away south in this wide realm, beyond the fumes of the Mountain by the dark sad waters of Lake Núrnen; nor of the great roads that ran away east and south to tributary lands, from which the soldiers of the Tower brought long waggon-trains of goods and booty and fresh slaves. Here in the northward regions were the mines and forges

They just fly everything in with eagles

>>85264765
Tolkien literally explains everything relevant in the books if you'd simply read through them

>>85263812
>golden wheat
>historically realistic

lmao

>>85265006
Fuck off Lindy.

>>85264797
It's basically a city state
>>85264730
>>85264463
tfw Dwarf Fortress is more realistic than the LOTR trilogy

LotR doesn't actually have any deus ex machina, try to refute that

>>85265040
Yes it does. It has a literal one.

>>85264896
Also I remember that in Mordor, Frodo and Sam stopped by a small oasis to drink. Hackson apparently thought that was too much to show

>>85265040
>J. R. R. Tolkien coined the term eucatastrophe to refer to a sudden turn of events that ensures the protagonist does not meet some impending fate. He also referred to the Great Eagles that appear in several places in The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as "a dangerous 'machine'."[12] Some critics have argued that eucatastrophe, and in particular the eagles, exemplify deus ex machina. For example, they save Frodo and Sam from certain death on Mount Doom in The Return of the King.[10][13] Others contend that the two concepts are not the same, and that eucatastrophe is not merely a convenience, but is an established part of a fictive world in which hope ultimately prevails.[14]
Literally pulled off of the Deus ex machina wikipedia article

Why didn't the orcs just climb the other side of the mountain and attack from there?

>>85265089
Eru didn't intervene in anything, everything that happens is tied to prior events
>>85265244
Wikipedia isn't an authority, and your quote is part of a debate on whether the eagles are a deus ex machina or not, which they aren't because there was no other ripe time before the fall of Sauron and the confusion of his legions to fly into Morder
The entire journey was also a secret and full of subterfuge and mishaps

>>85265469
>Morder

>>85265469
>Eru didn't intervene in anything
Last post you get troll.

>The Other Power then took over: the Writer of the Story (by which I do not mean myself), 'that one ever-present Person who is never absent and never named'* (as one critic has said).
> His humility (with which he began) and his sufferings were justly rewarded by the highest honour; and his exercise of patience and mercy towards Gollum gained him Mercy: his failure was redressed.

>Gondorians start building up instead of out while surrounded by vacant space
Hackson doesn't even understand basic economics.

>>85264709
Yes

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Rammas_Echor

>>85265571
>Last post you get troll.
Can you not have a discussion without accusing contrary opinions of trolling?
>His humility (with which he began) and his sufferings were justly rewarded by the highest honour; and his exercise of patience and mercy towards Gollum gained him Mercy: his failure was redressed.
This refers to Bilbo and Frodo's deeds and the effect of them. And there was no intervention or any deus ex machina, the statement just reflects Tolkien's Catholic faith of what happens behind the characters' deeds and choices but doesn't factor into the actual narrative

>>85265040
Yes it does.

Gandalf sent back to middle-earth was the Ainur´s doing.

Also, in the books, Gollum doesn´t fall to the lava because of his struggle with Frodo, he slips, which is suppossed to be Iluvatar´s doing.

>>85265614
Yeah, you trolling. Go back to your Games of Social Justice.

>>85265784
Fate and destiny aren't deus ex machina when they're established parts and mechanics of the universe, you don't seem to know what deus ex machina is.

DEM is when there's simply no solution other than unimaginable nonsense to solve it that makes no sense.

Gollum could have already slipped on his own or been knocked off as it was, the Ainur sending Gandalf back makes sense since they sent him in the first place

>Some dude slipped that could have happened anyway
>An angel it turns out, it hard to keep dead

I bet you think vampires coming back to life is DEM too

Just another example in which it's hard to truly immerse oneself in Tolkien's work.

You can shit talk GRRM all you want, and most of your complaints are probably legitimate, but what you can't dispute is that his world is believable.

>>85266268
The lack of roads, farms, and so on outside Minas Tirith is only in Jackson's movies, though. In Tolkien's books all that stuff is present.

>>85266268
>le introduce so many characters you have to kill half of them off man
>better than Tolkien

>>85266306
You genuinely don't think Tolkien bears some responsibility to how his work was adapted?

>>85266268
>his world is believable.
It's not, you're objectively wrong about this.

Like...I don't know if you're trolling or what. I mean...what?

>>85266349
He's been dead for like 50 years you idiot

>>85266201
>the Ainur sending Gandalf back
Kill yourself.

>Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.

>>85263527
Probably so people focused on the battle and make it look more dilapidated and decayed due to negligence by Denethor.

In the books there was an extensive ringed outer wall, a interconnected road system that links many acres of farmlands. They were evacuated before the siege began.

>>85266430
Don't try to edit shit to make yourself right

>He was sent by a mere prudent plan of the angelic Valar or governors; but Authority had taken up this plan and enlarged it, at the moment of its failure. 'Naked I was sent back - for a time, until my task is done'. Sent back by whom, and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'.
-- Tolkien's Letters, Letter 156

>>85266349
Not in this case. Tolkien clearly described Minas Tirith as being surrounded by farmland.

>>85266349
Peter Jackson was 12 years old when JRR Tolkien. I doubt they ever met and discussed the future film adaptations of Tolkien work

>>85266349
>>85266416

>being that retarded

kek

>>85266604
Don't try to cover for me, I thought Tolkien was a fat guy with a beard. I must have mixed him up with someone else

thanks for the (You)'s :)

To be fair to Jackson, I kinda doubt they failed to put the farmland in because of an artistic decision. It would have been non-trivial to make it look good and maybe they just ran out of time, money, and energy.

>>85264956
I really appreciated how Tolkien was so tight with his loopholes, he actually dedicated a portion of the Meeting in Rivendell to discussing why they can't leave the ring with Tom Bombadil.

>>85266641
>a fat guy with a beard
That's peter jackson you're thinking of

>>85266521
>but Authority
So God, exactly as I said. Again kill yuorself troll.

>>85266867

This was one of my favorite things reading the books after seeing the movies as a kid.

The alternative timeline of "Smaug roasts Bilbo and destroys the ring" will never happen tho

>>85266349
No? What the fuck? If you write that the Pelennor Fields are fertile lands full of farms, and someone makes a film 30 years after you're dead depicting them as barren Steppe, how is that your fault?

>>85267152
I was epicly trolling my man

>>85266641
you're probably thinking of that useless sack of shit that writes incest porn badly, oh I mean game of thrones.

>>85267063
According to Tolkien, Smaug's fire breath would not have been enough to destroy the ring.

>>85264765
Orcs eat a la carte apparently

Why didn't Sauron just use the Eagles to bomb the shit outta minas tirth

>>85264730
Hey,that fact was fun!

>>85263527

What about the tax policy?

>>85264765
Meat, when it's on the menu.

Thats what grass looks like before and after winter. Probably just didn't think it was worth all the detail and wanted the focus to be on the city.

I'm sure if there was a more ideal location he would have jumped on it. I kind of like how it was more on the realistic side than pure fantasy with purple clouds. It made the war scenes all that more gritty and easier to feel the brutishness of it.

It was just his own artistic decision, he would have had to overhaul the entire movie if he wanted it to be lush and more fantasy feeling.

>>85267809
I think it would have looked a lot more realistic and less fantasy-like if the Pelennor fields looked lived-in.

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>>85263527

Eagles brought all the food to them.

It would have made the battle scenes way too complicated. could have at least had a couple sheds

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>>85263812
>trampling through the wheat field instead of on the road for some reason

>>85263527

Wait so realistically how could that even be build?

>>85269975
You mean, how could it be filmed? Or do you mean how could it be built in-universe?

>>85270071

The city I mean, I know its fantasy but I am too dense at the moment to even think of how they build the entire thing.

I imagine they explain this in the book?

>>85269726
the wheat gets back up it's fine

>>85269975
it's literally a fantasy reimagining of constantinople.
jackson gave all the gondor soldiers medieval byzantine armor too because he chose to expand on that similarity, although there are no allegories in the book.

>>85269975
illegal orc workers

>>85270423
I don't really see why it would be difficult. Even in our real world, I imagine that a medieval-level civilization could build such a city without too much trouble, given enough people, time, and resources.

>>85270423
Doesn't seem that hard to build. You just pile rocks on top of more rocks. How much sense it makes to build something like this is another matter. But then people built shit like the pyramids so it's not like building pointlessly impractical shit is unheard of.

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>>85270477
Uh, no it isn't. The Fantasy Constantinople was Osgiliath.

>>85263644
This plus Minas Tirith wasn't Gondor's primary city in the first place. Osgiliath was before it got overrun by Sauron's army.

>>85266641
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>85270579
jackson used it as a visual allegory, he said so in the appendices, I don't expect anyone to know about it because it was a single sentence in like 36 hours of "making of" documentaries.

it's supposed to be a fantasy version where constantinople doesn't fall and the invaders are BTFO.
it's also called the city of kangs, just like constantinople.

>>85266746
This
If Jackson tried to cram in every last detail from the books the movies would have been ten hours each and 90+% filler
Look at it like this: when an author describes the physical appearance of a character they don't spend 10 pages delineating the position of every single wrinkle and mole and their exact hair style, nor would anyone want them to. You get a brief description, usually around half a paragraph, and if you have a few brain cells going for you your brain fills in the gaps.
The assumption would be that in film you can literally show every detail, sometimes that's true, but other times, particularly with adaptations and particularly with big adaptations like LotR you by necessity have to let the viewers fill in some of the blanks.
Also getting upset when you don't find realism in fantasy makes you an autistic faggot.

Where are Galadriel's pusyslaves?

So we can all agree that LOTR was probably some of the last movies to depict the threat that foreign hordes pose to white civilization, right?

Why dont people understand and pay more attention to the true message these books / movies are trying to convey?

Why doesn't gandalf ever do any magic? What kinda shitty wizard fights with a sword

>>85270872
Shut up nerd.

>>85264732
I feel like if this is how it looked in the movie then I would've enjoyed it a lot more, but in my opinion the movie version looks like shit.

>>85271132

Why do the masses ignore this problem? dont they realize it will be too late at some point? that they are preparing for war while we get weaker and weaker?

>>85271132
Found the nigger.

>>85264732
Movie version has More of the barren desolated wasteland, which very much matched the tone of the city and movie,

if you approached a city like the book version and told me it's currently in a crisis I would have started laughing, it doesn't match the tone of the setting, looks like something from a fairytale.