Is this accurate?

I miss DOTD remake and 300 Snyder so much.

>>85195901
Holy shit yes saved.

>>85195901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQKGoJjghc

is this accurate?

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>>85196318
>"He's got a bunch of fetish costumes, and he has to figure out a way to work them into a narrative"

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>>85196318

>>85196318
does zacky boy actually sound like that?

>>85196524
he does talk like that, although his voice isn't very high

>>85195996
dawn of the dead is the only passable thing hes put out

>>85197133
No shit.

>>85195901
how butthurt was the Marvelcuck who made this?

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>>85197215
Probably not much since he made this too, /got/ tourist

>>85196318
autism

No.

Zack Snyder is not perfect but he tries harder to elevate the superhero genre than anyone else in the industry and yes, that includes Nolan and whoever directed Logan.

>>85197460
should have made one about Joss

>>85195901
>pathetic suicidal children of single mothers use him as a father figure
>his real child kills themselves

absolute pottery, bravo snyder!

>>85198784
kill yourself and your projecting bullshit
You're probably gonna whine about superman being too edgy you hypocrite Indian fuck

>>85198955
what?

>>85195901
more like
>when you're a fucking chad and you just want to make hella fuckin epic movies that impress other chads and wannbe chads even though you're worse than micheal bay in every way

>>85198684

>comparing snyder to batman begins
Go fuck yourself

>>85199625
I think he wants to be deep, but doesn't know how to be, so he just makes scenes where things don't make any sense.

>>85198784
I still don't get why he adopted a kid even though he already had like 7 of them.
Especially why adopt if you are going to ignore him/her and make her feel like an outcast anyway

>>85197170
no need to be rude

>>85195901

No.

>>85200604
Have you ever hear him talk? He stumbles on words, butchers sentences and you end up kinda getting glimpses of what he's trying to say, but he just can't articulate an eloquent discourse.
That's exactly how he directs his movies.

>>85195901
Extremely desu, but about the "elitist" I will just call them angry fanboys, they're not that deep.

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>the absolute state of /tv/
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1492661332667/

>>85202625

Really? Because I feel he has trouble articulating himself verbally which is why he's pretty good at using images to do so.

>>85202802
He can't articulate a coherent narrative if his life depends on it, and he uses symbolism as a shortcut to try to make up for it but he's so sloppy at it, it just doesn't work. All those extra long posts "explaining" BvS are simply anons trying to do Snyder's job which is to deliver a coherent and comprehensible work of narrative art. He's completely incapable of doing this.

>>85203811

You couod say that about every movie that leaves things open for interpretation.

>>85203916
remove the costumes and snyder wouldn't even be interested in film. he has zero ideas to express

>>85203916
No, because there's a difference between movies that purposefuly do that and movies that fail to convey their message. BvS had constant expository dialogue by the characters, but still narratively failed to give what it claim it was giving. For instance, we have no reason why buy into Bruce feeling he "failed" Superman when he just wanted to kill him right until just a few minutes ago in the film, and they never trully got any significant bonding. We're supposed they're best buddies now simply because they say so, but the movie absolutely fails to communicate that at an emotional level.
The same with the "Martha" scene. We know what it's trying to do but are we supposed to think Batman just won't kill him and forget all his hatred for him simply because he realized he has a mother? Doesn't he know all those criminals he'd been murdering, or marking for murder have mothers too? Doesn't he know probably a lot of them support their families through their criminal activities? It just makes no sense from a dramatic standpoint, and that's why people leave under the impression that they become friends simply because their mom's name is the same. Because Snyder failed to properly communicate what they were trying to say. Not that the script helped much.

>>85204057

Yeah, no, I disagree with that. He absolutely does. It's debatable if they're particulary smart ideas or new ideas but they're there and they have been there at least as far back as 300.

>>85200544
BvS is objectively superior to Snoreman begins

>>85203811
>All those extra long posts "explaining" BvS
if you needed BvS explained to you then you're the retard m80

>>85204188
Tell that to all those tards who think that if you believe BvS is shit is because you don't get it, and they need to explain it to you.
I got it, it was shit.

>>85204140
he hasn't presented anything in any of those films. take out the costumes and what do you have? give me any reaction you've ever had to anything he's made. any kind of meaningful reaction that isn't a reference to the visuals

>>85204355
Depends on what you mean. I thought the ending of BvS, Supermans funeral, was genuinely touching.

>>85204355
Not him but this scene had me on the edge of my seat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iFiv7_33TM

Almost ruined by the script by the way, fucking Goyerhaving the Wayne employee saying "gee we better get moving lads, the boss says so hehe!".

>>85198955
Triggered

>>85195901
SpiderFlop SpiderFlop
JUST look at that weekend drop
Losing money? Holy Cow
Not even China can save it now
LOOK OUT! Here comes the SpiderFlop

>>85195901
No because if he was a father figure to people here, they would have killed themselves.

>>85195901

I think it's putting too much on his fans; they aren't capable of that level of self-reflection.

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>>85196318

>"You've just banged your knee really bad"

I fucking love Kermode and Mayo.

>>85198955
>you hypocrite Indian fuck

That's a left field insult, even for 4chan.

>>85196318
>Snyder only see the costume
Why do they pay plebs to talk about cinema ?

>>85196318
>kermode
BASED

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>>85195901
no it's not

>>85204105
They weren't best buds, but Bruce could've stopped Lex before he made Doomsday if he had realized Supes' humanity earlier than he did, not to mention all the time and effort he spent that could've been used to defeating Lex. He's indirectly responsible for his death.
The criminals he pulverized never presented even the slightest bit of heroism or humanity. He wanted to kill Superman because he thought his acts of heroism couldn't last and he would eventually turn away from it all, but he was proven wrong.

>>85207309
So that's why he is big in Mexico

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>>85196318
>gay british film critic
why is he trying so hard to act like 300 didn't get him wet

>>85195901
>biblical allegories
>when the whole MoS and BvS movies are about family
This is so retarded it hurts, it has nothing to do with the bible.

>>85200604
>scenes that don't make any sense
Like the one Clark's father trying to choose whether or not he wants his son to be safe and happy or a hero and everyone misunderstands as him telling Clark to let the kids drown?

>>85208948
Shh anon Martha! and also jar of piss!

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>>85202683
Holy shit that's just sad.

>>85203811
>i.e. "I have no brain so I need movies to chew digest and shit the information down my throat otherwise I can't understand anything"

>>85204301
Pick a single, ONE specific thing on it that you think it's shit, I'll wait.

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>>85202683
that's mental illness right there

>>85204105
>we have no reason why buy into Bruce feeling he "failed" Superman
He failed on understanding him as a person, as a good person above all else, he saw him as an omnipotent god and knew he would eventually be corrupt, point being, he wasn't omnipotent. Fucking Lex Luthor explains this point in the movie.

>>85204105
>We know what it's trying to do but are we supposed to think Batman just won't kill him and forget all his hatred for him simply because he realized he has a mother? Doesn't he know all those criminals he'd been murdering, or marking for murder have mothers too?
Wrong again bitch, superman knew who batman was before the scene, which means he knew his mother's name, he used that name to catch batman's attention. The point of the scene is to drive home how insane Bruce is about his parents.

>>85196318
>/tv/ likes kermode
god you fucking plebs

>>85198684
>but he triiiiiiiiiies
>and yes, that includes Nolan

Yes because Zack tried and failed massively and Nolan actually suceeded

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>>85195901
No, but I can offer you an accurate assessment of whoever made that image:

>when you're such a vapid, envious cunt that all you can do is sit around making images to tear down smarter, more creative, more successful people, all while blissfully unaware that his fans understand his work in such a profound way that all your jealous ass can do is impotently mock and dismiss their observations as coincidence, "head canon," or memery

>>85209012
>people still don't understand the jar of piss is a visual joke Lex makes about how the Senator is about to piss herself.

>>85199625
>manlet cuck autist who raises his wife's children
>this is the DCuck defintion of Chad

>>85209253
>Nolan
>the guy behind such beautiful things as "that" catwoman and the plane scene
You are joking right? The only good movie he made was the second one.

>>85202683
Thank you for posting this

>>85209268
lol

>>85209122
Exactly. He understood he should have been reaching out to him as a fellow hero instead of trying to create a villain who wasn't there.

>>85209524
Not even that Lex explains that a god is either omnipotent and does nothing therefore he's fully corrupt or he's not omnipotent and therefore he's not a god. People saw superman as a god, including Bruce who knows that absolute power corrupts absolutely, he failed in not understanding Clark was never a god, just a Kansas boy trying his best.

I like how when you point out how vapid and trite Zach Snyder's entire filmography is, his fans just point to other films that are also crap and act like that reflects well onto Snyder.

>>85195901
how do you confide in a film

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>>85195901
Is he the Jordan Peterson of cinema?

>>85209651
You mean like these >>85206104
>>85205765
>>85207455
>>85208948
>>85209122
>>85209186
>>85209276
>>85209524
>>85209637
Posts which talk specifically about his movies? Are you that mad you can't come up with a legitimate criticism?

>>85209707
I'd say so, I'd literally do ANYTHING to see Jordan do an analysis of both MoS and BvS.

>>85209757
>Posts which talk specifically about his movies?

Yeah, how good they think they are, they aren't talking about the criticism his films receive.

>>85209846
You got BTFO, but don't worry just close the tab no one has to know

>>85209846
Oh yes they are, talking about the scenes which receive most criticism, I already proved you wrong once, want me to quote what's on the posts that everyone can read just to prove you wrong twice?

>>85209885

I've already won by not enjoying terrible films, mate.

>>85209891

If you like.

>>85209247
state your grievance

>>85210063
>ignores the guy's point and just makes a non argument

>Not even that Lex explains that a god is either omnipotent and does nothing therefore he's fully corrupt or he's not omnipotent and therefore he's not a god. People saw superman as a god, including Bruce who knows that absolute power corrupts absolutely, he failed in not understanding Clark was never a god, just a Kansas boy trying his best.
Talking about the movie, specifically one of the criticized scenes.

>Like the one Clark's father trying to choose whether or not he wants his son to be safe and happy or a hero and everyone misunderstands as him telling Clark to let the kids drown?
Talking about one of the most criticized scenes on MoS.

>Wrong again bitch, superman knew who batman was before the scene, which means he knew his mother's name, he used that name to catch batman's attention. The point of the scene is to drive home how insane Bruce is about his parents.
Talking about the most criticized scene on BvS

>>85210120
i find his criticisms asinine for the most part, and think he has the most bland taste. Nothing about his writing or interviews make him stand out and it always feels he just says the same thing as everyone else, never a unique piece of insight to be found.

Alex Cox all the way.

>>85196318
British """men"""

why does this make /v/edditors so upset?

>>85205719
Whoever made this has no idea how fonts work

>>85198684
The numale mind everyone

>>85209297
>and the plane scene
Settle down hothead.

This faggot let his daughter off herself cuz he was too busy playing with the justice league.

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>>85212011
It was his wife's daughter

>>85212128
>zack married a roastie single mother
lmaooo

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>>85196318
>Let me do this Impression!!

>It's not based on what he sounds like
>Umm... But that's what he sounds like in my head!

>>85212011
That "faggot" had her on the set of Man of Steel, and that autumn leaf that blows by the WB logo at the start of BvS is in honor of her.

Fuck yourself.

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>>85204355
Snyder's been playing with a perception vs. reality motif since 300. It's front and center in Suckerpunch, and it's all over MoS and BvS as well.

There's also some running themes concerning god-making and worship present in his Superman films.

>>85213237
AND she's dead. Father of the year

>>85213335
It should have been you.

>>85213374
But it wasn't ;)

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>>85213446
That's OK. You'll lose someone you care about someday, and you'll remember every way you ever hurt or dishonored them, regardless of how big or small, how far you've fallen from someone they'd be proud of, and that will include this exchange.

In that moment, you'll remember that you bought and paid for that future on this day.

>>85212128
Is this real?

>>85195901
Inaccurate. I've never looked at Zack Fucking Snyder as a father figure. I have a father. I've always looked at him as a middling director who may or may not bastardize his next iconic property.

Also, am adult, and no film could ever have prepared me for what a piece of shit adulthood actually is.

>>85212128
This explains why liberals call themselves "DCchads"
it's the "swoleleft" all over again

>>85213538
It wont be by suicide over capeshit, but i get what you mean. Youre so profound and a real hero

>>85208948

It's that 'maybe' part. Even suggesting that letting a bus full of kids drown seems horrible. Jonathan intention to let his choose his destiny and that's he's meant for greater things which cannot be risked right now was drowned out by that 'maybe'.

>>85209186
First off, you're pulling that completely out of your ass. It is not established in the movie in any way, and you're just trying to fill the gaping holes Snyder's ineptitude left there.
Second, it still doesn't work to explain why Batman would do an 180 from killing the man who he thinks is the biggest threat in the world, when he has already killed many men without second thoughts. Batman knows there's more women called Martha out there, it's just fucking retarded and forced. I could see using that to throw him out or something, but you need something heavier after that to make Batman go from thinking he's the biggest threat to mankind that has to be eradicated to being an ally. They were building Bruce's state of mind for 2 fucking hours only to throw it away with the lamest copout of "he has a mom, so he must be nice"? That's just shitty writing. And the way it was directed made it even worse and Bruce's change of heart felt completely unearned. That's why so many people walk out of the cinema thinking that they became friends simply because their moms share the same name, that's how the movie presents the facts. Snyder can't even direct a proper film with a good script, when he gets shitty ones we get turds like MoS and BvS.

>>85209297
More proof than Snyder fanboys let memes dictate their movie taste.

>>85209707
Yeah, a total hack who's laughed at by serious peers and glorified by a bunch of halfwit NEETs who finally found somebody that validates their selfish and worthless existence.
They're the epitome of the worst of post modernism, and they're so oblivious to it that they actually think they're criticizing it.

The most obvious reason why snyders movies are obviously better than the marvel ones is to just look at DC threads. They're full if people arguing about why they like/dislike his movies with some (for being /tv/ pretty big posts with people explaining their reasoning.

Marvel threads are just embarassing fans posting pics 24/7 about their waifus and which character is more badas etc. I'd even say they're reddit (the threads, not necessarily all the marvel fans)

>>85214685
>their waifus
That's 100% /tv/ you clearly post star wars 7 cancer from reddit

>>85214555
>choose his destiny
On the right time no child is capable of choosing anything properly. For a father that's the hardest question to be made so "maybe" is not a bad answer for the moment.

>>85214685
Sure, because Faora posting was never a thing.

>>85209297

Nothing as terrible as that "silk spectre" (at least anne has range) and that ridiculous sex scene.

>>85214736
What im saying is that no one is actually discussing the movies, because they're so milquetoast and direct there's nothing to talk about except filming out space.

Also waifus is from /a/ you pleb.

>>85214766
See
>>85214791
Filming was supposed to be filling, im posting on the shitter.

>>85214747
Leving it at a simple "I don't know" would've worked so much better. "Maybe" sounds more assertive and left the taste that Jonathan actually thinks he should've let them die.

>>85214685

If your biggest argument is that Snyder movies are better than the MCU(not Donner, Nolan,Burton, Del toro or Raimi) then that says a lot about the quality of his movies.

>>85214577
>you need something heavier after that to make Batman go from thinking he's the biggest threat to mankind that has to be eradicated to being an ally.
no, you don't because in that scene superman has basically admitted defeat and realizes he's going to die. His last action is to ask Bruce to save another life which instantly affirms that bats was wrong about him. A selfish godlike being with the ego to turn on a dime and start treating people like nothing more than ants doesn't do that. It's all the evidence brucie needs. And as the other anon stated it just goes to show how mental batmam really is. He's a broken man

>>85214791
>Also waifus is from /a/ you pleb.
Holy fuck you're not even trying to pretend you're a /tv/ local now
Jesus fucking christ you outsider

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>>85214893
He's best of the worst

>>85214858

Exactly , they seriously need a better script writer.

>>85209186
>pulling out of your ass
He uses his name in the beginning of the fight, he knew who batman was.
>It is not established in the movie in any way
It is when superman hears Alfred talking to Bruce on Lex's party.
>Second, it still doesn't work to explain why Batman would do an 180 from killing the man who he thinks is the biggest threat in the world, when he has already killed many men without second thoughts.
Bruce is absolutely fixated on his parents it's the one thing that can make him change his mind like that every single time.
>I could see using that to throw him out or something, but you need something heavier after that to make Batman go from thinking he's the biggest threat to mankind that has to be eradicated to being an ally.
Thanks to the circumstances he preferred to save someone rather than killing him, and after that he literally did not had an opportunity to think about it again.
>And the way it was directed made it even worse and Bruce's change of heart felt completely unearned
You mean you don't get why he would see superman as human for the first time after learning their mothers share the same name?

>Snyder can't even direct a proper film with a good script, when he gets shitty ones we get turds like MoS and BvS.
That's not how direction works you idiot.

>>85214934
I've 100% been here longer than you, doublenigger. Don't have to prove myself to you.

>>85214858
>"Maybe" sounds more assertive and left the taste that Jonathan actually thinks he should've let them die.
Because it's to be placed as how much he cares about his son. Ask any father who he would save, his child or a bus full of children.

>>85215008
>waifuism is reddit
You've been on /tv/ since 2016 at the earliest
Fucking shill

>>85214953

Yep I haven't watched a MCU since winter soldier(at that point I realized this wasn't for me because that movie was fucking bland) and it's always funny to see Snyder fanboys first argument is always marvel as if that's suppose to be impressive.

>>85214997
Meant for >>85214577

>>85214673
Oh yes, NEETs living a life of squalor and poverty are SO selfish.

>>85214921
Again, Batman murdered several people during the course of the film without any issues. Restraining from killing his main target simply because he has a mom goes against the character they were building for over 2 hours already. It just feels that comes out of nowhere and that everything after that is completely rushed so you can have the CGI fest at the end. They spend a slow as fuck first two hours of the movie doing something, only to do a 180 and attempt to turn it into a completely different movie in the last few minutes. Again, it feels completely unearned and the fact that they're quipping together just a few minutes after Batman was attempting to kill Superman is fucking awful.

>>85209757
>loves Jordan Peterson and BvS
Jesus christ

>>85215310
>because he has a mom
Because he hadn't seen superman as a human before that moment, he has killed people who actually did evil, and superman hasn't.

>>85214555
The "maybe" was to really get his attention for what came next. He's driving home to him that there are things to consider that stretch way beyond the here and now.

Once Clark's secret is out, it's out. There's literally no in-ringing that bell. Jonathan rightly feared what would become of Clark were his superhuman nature to become common knowledge before he'd ever even had a chance at life as just a man.

As an aside, that bus scene is a perfect foreshadowing of what's going on in their world during BvS. The world's panicking, Clark's quietly panicking right along with it, overachieving, and increasingly being mistaken for a god.

I feel like the people praising Snyder movies are the same that unironically think the transformers films are good (not saying I can't enjoy them on some level, but they're fucking terrible)

>>85214685
Funny, because I watch both, and the only thing I see is pure garbage, the same garbage that superhero movies have always been and will always be.
Same structures, same plots, same character arcs, same garbage CGI effects, same terrible third acts, same terrible directing and acting.

Superhero movies are the bottom of the barrel of cinema, and them being discussed actively in /tv/ just proves that this truly is the worst board in 4chan.

>>85215339
>doesn't like peterson
Why? Too complicated for you?

>>85214791
>discussing movies
>DUDE, LOOK, THESE TILES ON THE FLOOR MAKE A CROSS, IT'S LE KINO

You are a bigger bunch of pretentious fucks looking too hard into shit than Metal Gear Solid autists.

>>85214673
>laughed at by serious peers

Hailed as a visionary by Nolan, Cameron, Fong, and literally everyone who's ever had the pleasure of working with him.

>>85214997
>It is when superman hears Alfred talking to Bruce on Lex's party.
I meant to say that the fact that Superman says Martha on purpose to play on his obssession with his parents death.

>Bruce is absolutely fixated on his parents it's the one thing that can make him change his mind like that every single time.
Again, this is simply shitty writing. Batman's focus on killing Superman, and his whole focus on this movie, wasn't related to his parents. Of course, he still shows signs of obssession with his folks, but Batman's motivation on this film lies somewhere else.

>Thanks to the circumstances he preferred to save someone rather than killing him, and after that he literally did not had an opportunity to think about it again.
Yes, but like I said, it feels completely unearned. I do get why he would see Superman as a human, I understand that's what the scene was trying to say. I can't see how that would stop him from killing him when he had killed several humans that had mothers during the course of the film. Why was Superman's mom so much more important than theirs, when Batman himself sees Superman as a much bigger threat than any of those guys (remember the 1% speech)?

>That's not how direction works you idiot.
Yes, it is. A good director that gets a weak script tries to play on its strengths and diminish its shortcomings. There are plenty of good directors that saved shitty scripts from becoming shitty movies. Snyder only makes the faults on the scripts much more evident.

>>85215409

An "I don't know" would've done the job better. IMO. Also why are you explaining the scene when I already did it in my comment.

>>85215449
It pains me you'll never see the irony of that post

>>85215178
Yes, a NEET who has the power to save the world and doesn't feel like going out and doing it until some surrogate father figure tells him to get off his ass and do so, when he was already in his fucking 30s.
It works because it gives them hope that some day, something would come out of the sky and give them purpose, allowing them to show how awesome they really are, just like mom said. But they don't have to go out and do shit, they just have to wait until it happens.

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>>85215589
>Batman's motivation on this film lies somewhere else

Correct. It's focused on his obsession with vengeance. It's his coping mechanism, but it's been slowly consuming him over the course of his whole career. His confrontation with Clark forced him to come face to face with what it was turning him into.

>>85215646
Well it causes me joy that your imagined irony causes you pain.

>>85215536
Never saw him praised by Nolan other than some mild positive comments because he was a producer on MoS and he wouldn't come out to talk shit about him.
Cameron praised Robert Rodriguez in the same statement. You know, the Robert Rodriguez that did Lava Girl and all those Spy Kids movies. He praised them for the visual techniques they developed around the same time with Sin City and 300, that's all.

>>85215674
Christ, you need to see the entirety of his twenties to understand he'd been in Bill Bixby mode for a decade? That's what Lois's stack of anecdotal accounts was - things a "guardian angel" had done in secrecy and moved on.

Do you even have fucking object permanence?

>>85215589
>I meant to say that the fact that Superman says Martha on purpose to play on his obssession with his parents death.
There's no reason to believe that's not the case, superman knew his name, knew his history so why not?
>Again, this is simply shitty writing
It's not, his parents always affect him, always.
>Why was Superman's mom so much more important than theirs
Because superman hadn't done anything evil, it's the difference between vengeance and a perceived threat.
>Yes, it is
It's not, the script already contains everything that will affect the story, you either blame him as a writer or you'll blame the guy who co-wrote the movie.

>>85215730
Yes, I understand that was the point of the scene. I understood that was gonna have to happen about 15 minutes into the movie, because you know they're gonna end up fighting Doomsday side by side, so Batman eventually would have to come to see the error of his ways.
My point is that the scene itself is so shitty on its delivery, it doesn't have the weight it needs to in order for you go actually buy into Batman doing that 180 we all knew he was gonna do, and it ends up feeling it happened because it had to, so we could have that final fight. Building 2 hours of animosity between the characters to undo it with a "oh, he's got a mom with the same name as mine, I guess I was wrong all along" is just terrible, and deserves all the mocking it gets.

>>85215827
>that's all

Does your back get tired from shifting those goalposts all day?

>>85215957
What if we find out Clark didn't even say it? Will you admit that the people you've argued with for a year had a point, or will you continue being the intellectual coward we've all grown so fond of?

>>85215536
>Fong
Is that supposed to be impressive, popnerd?

>>85215923
>There's no reason to believe that's not the case, superman knew his name, knew his history so why not?
That's not how this works, you need to give reasons to think that's what's going on. That's how narrative works. What you're doing is simply headcannon, there's nothing in the movie that supports your theory.

>It's not, his parents always affect him, always.
No, you have to justify it in this movie in order to make it feel earned. That's why it just feels like it comes out of nowhere.

>Because superman hadn't done anything evil, it's the difference between vengeance and a perceived threat.
Again, not how Bruce's perceives him. Remember the 1% speech. Having him go back on all the stuff they're been building on for over half of the film simply because Superman has a mom with the same name as his is shitty.

>It's not, the script already contains everything that will affect the story, you either blame him as a writer or you'll blame the guy who co-wrote the movie.
You're obviously the one who doesn't know what directing is. While no little of the blame goes to the writers, he is the ultimate responsible of what the final film is. He can leave things out, add things, do whatever the fuck he wants. As a matter of fact, there are reports that Affleck himself was re-writing the script on set. That's a chaotic production, and Snyder was at the helm. He didn't know what he was doing and where the film was going, and it shows in the final product.

>>85215640
Bullshit. You and every other fanboy would jump on that shit just as hard. Anything but, "Of course you should save them, Clark, but you've got to be careful," would have produced an equal amount of reeee-ing from fanboys, irrespective of the fact that it's shit parenting, and even shittier considering what's at stake.

>MCUck numale reddit summerfags trying this hard to smear Snyder

zack is, always has been, and always will be /ourguy/
if you don't like that, go back

>>85216034
Clark didn't even say what?

>>85216200
t. the redditor that showed up on /tv/ after 2015

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>>85216058
Yeah, I'd say praise from one of the more gifted cinematographers working today is pretty impressive.

>>85216181
Not that guy, but I'm ok with a doubtful Jonathan. Just not one that stunts Clark's growth to the point of him being a 30 year old who needs a world ending threat to actually go out and do something, and even so, he still needs a father figure to come out and tell him to get the fuck out there and do something.

>>85216295
I wouldn't argue with passion and commitment. Ability, he obviously doesn't have.

>>85216295
>personally slit their throat
Jesus

>>85216177
>That's not how this works, you need to give reasons to think that's what's going on.
The fact that he knew his name is a pretty big clue.
>there's nothing in the movie that supports your theory.
You mean besides the fact that he knew their mothers had the same name? Why WOULDN'T he use that information?
>No, you have to justify it in this movie in order to make it feel earned.
He's dressing like a bat and crime because his parent's death affected him, how much more do you need?
>Again, not how Bruce's perceives him.
Perceived, before he saw him as a human, that's what makes the whole difference.
>simply because Superman has a mom with the same name as his is shitty
Yeah nah the comics and the movie have been over this, he is completely insane when it comes to his parents.
>he is the ultimate responsible of what the final film is.
then complain about his WRITING not his directing because those two are two different worlds.

>>85216295
>larry fong
>one of the more gifted cinematographers working today is pretty impressive
Post your top 10 films of all time, your top 5 of the 2010s and your top 10 cinematographers of all time
Your taste should be very fucking good if you're posting that chart about 4chens increase which implies you've been on /tv/ since its creation

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>>85216205
Martha. I think Bruce heard what he needed to hear, and I think that the scene not only backs that up, but everything going on with Bruce over the course of the whole movie does.

>>85216396
>You mean besides the fact that he knew their mothers had the same name? Why WOULDN'T he use that information?
Use it how? Why would he think that by hearing that their moms share names he would refrain from killing him? What's the logic behind that?

>He's dressing like a bat and crime because his parent's death affected him, how much more do you need?
But him going against Superman is not the same reason why he's fighting crime.

>Perceived, before he saw him as a human, that's what makes the whole difference.
Yeah, in just a second he did a 180. And all this because he heard their moms had the same name. Shit writing.

>then complain about his WRITING not his directing because those two are two different worlds.
They're not completely different worlds. They're part of the same movie, and what ends up in the screen is the director's responsibility. It's got shit writing and a shit director that doesn't know how what to do with it and ends up highlighting all the writing shortcomings.

>>85216515
Oh, so the typical Snyder fanboy is a "it's all on his mind/a dream/purgatory" kinda guy. Makes total sense.

Zack Snyder? More like Hack Shyster.

>>85216643
?

you gave it a try though. 2/10

>>85216702
that's good

>>85216181

One stop being butthurt. Two if you're sperging out and insulting is what you're capable when confronted with a strong argument, it means you're too invested in this. I actually liked MOS but discussing it with cultists like you is damn near impossible.

>>85216613
>Use it how? Why would he think that by hearing that their moms share names he would refrain from killing him? What's the logic behind that?
He didn't knew if it would stop him from being killed he only wanted him to pay attention that there was a Martha in danger. Saying the name instead of simply "mom" is using that information.
>But him going against Superman is not the same reason why he's fighting crime.
But it shows he's fucking mental about his parents.
>Yeah, in just a second he did a 180. And all this because he heard their moms had the same name
Read previous point.
>Shit writing.
Saying this repeatedly is shitty writing, not what's on the movie.
>director's responsibility
Responsibility is not the same as work.
>It's got shit writing and a shit director that doesn't know how what to do with it and ends up highlighting all the writing shortcomings.
Again if you want to make an argument, make an argument, don't just write a conclusion, it's simply not how arguing works.

>>85216438
>20 minutes and nothing
The typical low cine-IQ child of /v/ proves his lack of cinema worth again

>>85216438
I'm not the guy who posted the chart, but just off the top of my head, and since I don't obsessively keep lists:

Citizen Kane, Once upon a Time in the West, Solaris, Dr. Strangelove, On the Waterfront, The Hustler, Blue Velvet, Jaws, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and from this century, The Fountain.

All for a wide variety of reasons. Also, I watch very few foreign films, so:

Manchester by the Sea, Nightcrawler, Knight of Cups(though it's extremely self-indulgent, imo), The Witch, and without a hint of irony, BvS.

And last but not least, cinematographers
Rosson, Toland, Hildyard, Schüfftan, and Gilbert Taylor.

>>85217150
This >>85217150 is what thoughtful consideration and a light snack looks like, braggart.

>>85216994
"I don't know" is even more non-committal than "Maybe."

>>85216643
No, precisely one thing was in his mind - the thing he needed to hear to stop himself from becoming a murderer.

>>85213538
lmao are u a scriptwriter or something

>>85195901
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1492661332667.jpg/
>32 results
Why do mods allow this?

>>85217746
"I don't know" is more honest about where he was standing on the matter.

Yes
He is a dishonest hack

>>85216295
Pssh nothing personal kid

>>85196318

>snyder literally never recovered from this

>>85217060
>He didn't knew if it would stop him from being killed he only wanted him to pay attention that there was a Martha in danger. Saying the name instead of simply "mom" is using that information.
If this contrived shit would've been the actual intent behind that scene, it would've been even shittier writing than the one actually in the movie. All those logic gaps don't make for good writing.

>But it shows he's fucking mental about his parents.
Again, it's not the reason why he's fighting Superman. Having Batman being a stupid asshole that loses it every time someone mentions his parents is, again, shitty writing. Having him drop everything he was doing for the whole film simply because he found out Superman had a mom is fucking stupid and you know it. I'm ok with using it as some sort of a plot point, but there has to be something else to it. You don't build animosity for 2 hours only to undo it simply because "he has a mom, so he's like me". It's treating both the characters and the audience as infantile morons.

>Responsibility is not the same as work.
What the fuck do you even mean by this? It's his responsibility to deliver a good film, to make sure all the elements work together to deliver whatever message or concept the movie is trying to convey. The fact that we're still having this argument today is proof that he failed at it.
For instance, you said yourself that Clark used his knowledge of Batman's identity to drop the M bomb on him, and then you (or some other guy) also said "if he said it at all, maybe it was all in Batman's mind". That's just throwing shit around to see what it sticks in order to make up for the movie's shortcomings.

>>It's got shit writing and a shit director that doesn't know how what to do with it and ends up highlighting all the writing shortcomings.
This is the conclusion to all the arguments I've been saying before, you tard.

>>85219414
>contrived shit
How is that contrived shit?
>logic gaps
yea maybe for someone that doesn't uses logic in the first place
>it's not the reason why he's fighting Superman
That says nothing about the quality of the writing when it comes to the reason why he stopped.
>loses it every time someone mentions his parents is, again, shitty writing
It's on the comics, it's part of the character, it was established that he he's just as insane on the movie.
>You don't build animosity for 2 hours only to undo it simply because "he has a mom, so he's like me"
It's not a personal problem it's a moral problem, he doesn't hate superman, he simply thought the risk was too great, seeing him as a human changed that notion.
>The fact that we're still having this argument today is proof that he failed at it.
He failed at understanding just how dumb an audience can be. You are proof of that.
> "if he said it at all, maybe it was all in Batman's mind"
the other anon was joking, you should consider seeking psychiatric help, I'm fairly sure you have autism.
>this is the conclusion
Conclusions are only ever worth a damn after a consensus has been reached, before that it's meaningless, worthless.