DOCTOR WHO GENERAL - /WHO/

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2nd For Foon

Why do I wish to be The Thirteenth Doctor's transgender companion when I am currently undergoing gender transitioning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HeQIwNDmtY

Thoughts?

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>tfw no more War Doctor stories

>>85172949
I found them terrible t b h, much as I enjoyed listening to Hurt (and Pearce). Would have rathered better writing rather than just more of them.

>tfw Calpaldi made all the tumblrinas leave the fandom
>tfw Jodie Whittaker will bring them back
feels bad man

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>>85172949
Gallifreyan Clara Adventures when?

>>85172949
Reminder that Briggs WASTED Sir John Hurt's last years on this Earth and must never be forgiven

>>85172949
They were a waste of Hurt anyway.
Twelve episode and only The Neverwhen wdid him justice.

>>85172998
>muh Tumblr

>>85172949
Did John Hurt actually reprise his role for these audios?

>>85172998
They never left

>>85173056
Yes.

>>85172949
At least we've got War Master....

>>85173056
No. They got an impersonator in and put Hurt's name in the credits hoping nobody would notice.

>>85172946
> And I miss Nine.

Bonus points given.

>>85173056
It's got "John Hurt in" written on the cover.
Take a wild guess.

>>85172946
Why does she think the Doctor is some paragon of goodness, he's been a very flawed character since the shows inception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzmnPs64K74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzulODLeD8

new theme for s11

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>>85173107

>if you're an alien why do you sound like you're from yorkshire?
>lots of planets have trouble at mill!

my favourite incarnation of the master will always be philip seymour hoffman

>>85172949
I'm just sad that we'll never get a motion picture featuring him during the Time War now. He seemed like the closest this series has ever gotten to a full scale movie and not a TV one.

>>85173113
She's probably only seen NuWho.
Still, even 10 had dark moments though.
So she's just dumb.

>>85173107
I need a pretentious YouTuber to spend ~20min explaining this self-evident part of the writing, as is the rage these days.

>>85173113
I know right?

>>85173122
Me likey

Is Foreman still alive? Wasn't it supposed to come out two years ago?

>>85173135
fucking kek'd

Is Murray Gold staying or leaving?

>>85173188
No word, presumed staying.

>>85173182
https://www.blackveilentertainment.org/
Little word.

No matter what you think about the gender change, it is a really stupid idea. Why polarize the fan base when it is so controversial? Why not make a spin off about another time lady? It is so obvious that they are out after to make a political point with this and that is just stupid for a show to do.

Sure it get a lot of attention, but in the long run it make too much damage with all the negative reactions.

>>85173188
>>85173252
>tfw the OO-OOOOs will never fuck off

>>85173273
the what?

>>85173268
What is your opinion on Oreos

>>85173293
what is your point?

>>85173284
Gold's music has a lot of ooh-oohing that makes moments that are supposed to be sad feel cringy

>>85173122
I, unironically, like this theme. What is wrong with me?

I'm going to subscribe to this person's YouTube channel.

>>85173311
I want to know your opinion on Oreos

>>85173268
The show has been making controversial changes since the very beginning, and while I agree that it's bullshit to make political points, I'm not fully convinced that this casting is that.

>>85173252
>https://www.blackveilentertainment.org/
That whole trailer looks like shit. Surprisingly well funded shit, but still shit

>>85173330
too sweet

>>85173319
Don't forget to click below to subscribe to the official Doctor Who, YouTube channel.

>>85173113
>>85173319
Oh shit, I love this fucking swing jazz variation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDHLZW5R68A

>>85173336
You think it's just some one that have no idea what he is doing that came up with the idea?

>>85173268
>Why not make a spin off about another time lady?
Crap idea and will always be a crap idea. If you want to see how well random spinoffs about irrelevant characters do, look at Class. Worse because you're suggesting essentially do "Doctor Who, except not" which no-one will watch when they already have the actual Doctor Who to watch.

>Why polarize the fan base when it is so controversial?
>in the long run it make too much damage with all the negative reactions.
They can worry about "the fan base" and "negative reactions" which would happen no matter what, or they can worry about finding actually new things for the show to fucking do after 50 years if it has any hope of making it another 50. I've got an idea, how about you let them try it before insisting the show is doomed?

>>85173343
You cannot be trusted.

>>85173350
reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68wJIQbCtlI

>>85173367
No, it's an idea that's been bandied around since the 70s. They were bound to find a suitable woman for the role eventually.

>>85173373
A spin off is probably a bad idea, but it is not as bad as this. Characters have a value to the audience because how they are. If they change that it will upset people and devalue the concept.

I'm not sure the show is doomed. They got rid of Moffat so there is hope. But making a huge hunk of fans pissed off is not how a smart business work.

>>85173407
You don't have to trust me, you only need to check my arguments for yourself

>>85173456
Right when it was the most controversial and political... They could had done it earlier when it wasn't driven by SJWs or later when the SJW have been dealt with.

>>85173483
No, you dislike Oreos. It's the mark of a schemer.

>>85172870
>not a black woman

>>85173460
>If they change that it will upset people and devalue the concept.
like when they completely replaced the original actor with a younger man who played him as a clown, a completely different character

>>85173252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbP5EFeYAvc
>less than 400 views
kek

>>85173517
Shit Trips: The Mark of the Schemer

The Master's latest sinister plot: sabotaging the recipe for Oreos

>>85173517
>>85173483
fuck both of you, dominos are better anyways

>>85173512
>or later when the SJW have been dealt with
christ do you know how cringey you sound

Remember when Moffat made Davros into a crying old man??

>>85173544
Sure. But that was a creative mistake (I guess you talk about 11), this is not for creative reasons but to push for an agenda. They know people will be upset but they still did it.

>>85173595
Davros was always a pussy

>EY DAVVY I AIN'T NO PRISONER I'S HERE TO CAP YO ASS
>nooo spare me doctor

>>85173546
What, you dare disparage the genderfluid genius?

>>85173595
Open your eye

>>85173512
>when the SJW have been dealt with
lol

>>85173419
I never saw this before to be reminded of it.

>>85173579
what the fuck are dominos?

whatever they are, they're probably not as good as fucking OREOS. those are the top tier cookie.

>>85173625
Third worlder pls go

>>85173592
No, I mean that SJW can't go on for ever. People are getting more and more fed up with them. Soon they lose their backing from media and establishment.

>>85173641
they are literally oreo copies, but way better than oreos. fuck americans and their meme foods.

I hate niggers

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>>85173293
>>85173330
>>85173579
You're both fucking plebs, and Hydrox, the original creme filled chocolate cookies are the best.

>>85173684
If you can't find an argument...

>>85173688
"sjws" are a boogeyman

>>85173460
>But making a huge hunk of fans pissed off is not how a smart business work.
Customers (especially nerds) are capricious. I guarantee you 75% of the viewers who are currently pissed off will still tune in to watch her first episode a year from now "just to see". And if by some miracle Chibnall turns it out, they will all see that the show is still fundamentally functional, and they might even stick around for the second...and the third...Etc.
Youtube thumbs up/down brigades don't translate to real engagement with S11.

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>>85173699
These do not look like fucking sandwich cookies you nigger.

>>85173741
nah

>>85173625
>(I guess you talk about 11)
Do you know anything about the show?
I'm am talking about Patrick Troughton, who at the time was seen as acting as a clown and was quite a bit younger than William Hartnell, a hugely controversial move at the time (that did lead to lower viewing figures that nearly got the show cancelled)

>>85173722
Hydrox? you goddamned heathen

>>85173771
ja

(look i'm speaking you peoples' language)

How do I get over a break up? My heart is broken.

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>>85173699
they look like shit desu

who the FUCK wants a CHILI flavored cookie? the fuck? fuck brits and their meme foods.

>>85173722
Hydrox sounds like something you shove up your ass before a colonoscopy.

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>>85173766
not those mudcakes
these

>>85173688
>Soon they lose their backing from media and establishment.
Sorry, do you think that "sjws" actually control the media?

And you say THIS. No one else will have to FEEL this PAIN.

>>85173688
The Alt-Right would push things back into their favor. It's already started to happen. Enjoy your losing war because after 8 years you'd be right back where you started.

>>85173796
Travel through time with a cavalcade of colourful characters

How do you guys feel about Pizza? What is your favorite kind of pizza?

>>85173849
What is your opinion on Oreos

>>85173863
Male pizza.

>>85173747
Sure. He might be the savior. Anything that isn't Moffat is an enormous improvement, but it is so stupid to take the risk for no real reason besides political reasons. And the political reasons are just retarded. There is no meaningful value in forcing a character to change sex. It is so far from social rights that it is just absurd.

>>85173863
Plain cheese, I'm boring and don't actually like food all that much

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>>85173791
Oh right I'm the heathen throwing back fucking knock offs.
>>85173796
Get laid ASAP
>>85173813
Well tbf if you eat too many if feels like you've had a colonoscopy.

>>85173795
Ebin :D

>>85173892
>Anything that isn't Moffat is an enormous improvement
No.

Fuck me, I could go for a cookie right now. But I don't have any and it's like 2 am :(

>>85173796
It's a very cliche answer, but time. But in the meantime before time helps, surround yourself with people that love you, dive into hobbies and other activities instead of sitting around, and don't linger on her or his social media profiles or anything. Get into new things that aren't associated with memories of your ex. Talk about it (the breakup) to friends/family/even a professional if you feel like it. Force yourself to do something productive, you will feel tonnes better, trust me. And remember, literal billions of people have been in your situation - YANA.

>>85173863
Any spicy one really.

>>85173880
I love Oreos, right now, I even had an ice cream pizza that was Oreo flavored from Baskin Robbins for my birthday. It had a brownie crust, cookies n' cream ice cream, and it was topped with crushed Oreo cookies.

>>85173460

I don't think the chunk is as huge as you think. The Doctor's identity isn't tied to his masculinity/ maleness. He has a personality separate of gender.

Nice fucking thread you cookie autists

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>>85173741

>>85173895
pleb desu

oreo pizza is the best anyway.

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>>85173863
Thin crust with shrimp, anchovies, and mushrooms

>>85173863
Everytime I read the word pizza I see John Podesta's creepy face in front of me.

>>85173942
>we only care about rape culture when it's an excuse to demonise brown people

>>85173892
There's no meaningful value in having a character like the Doctor stay the same sex either though. It doesn't matter. And your line about social rights makes no sense whatsoever.

>>85173930
I don't trust you; you sound too tryhard.

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>>85173930
>ice cream pizza

what the fuck in gods name is that

>>85173512
>or later
Are you envisioning some future where gender isn't political? Gender is literally a set of constraints on how people are allowed to behave and look & a set of attitudes that prescribe our entire lives. It is an inherently political concept. "The first ever female Doctor after an unbroken line of men" would be a political flashpoint any time between now and the apocalypse, and putting it off longer would make it WORSE, not better.

>>85173786
Sure. But still a creative mistake, not caused bu a political idea about how it is somehow important to make forced changes to a characters sex because of... feminism? Why exactly is this an important issue for feminists or who ever it is this should please? It is just a show off of power abuse.

>>85173930
what is an ice cream pizza? that sounds delicious.

>>85173938
>not liking big chocolate chunks in your cookies

that's the best part, esp when you dip in the milk.

>>85173796
Indulge sad music and wine for a while, then force yourself to start exercising/dieting and making a better, healthier, happier you. Focus on yourself, what makes you happy, and try to spend some time with your family and friends - stay connected.

>>85173964
>1400 children systematically being raped and the perpetrators being protected is somehow equal to the imaginary western "rape culture" made up by feminism
KYS

>>85173863
Hawiian

the "bring it" line from Pyramid at the End of the World is, to me, the absolute worst fucking line of Twelve's run. Would be fine if it wasn't so fucking forced and embarrassing. The whole episode feels hollow enough, but that just fucking hurt.

The delivery is shit, the timing is terrible, the shot itself looks like shit, nothing about it is intimidating or inspiring or cool or anything. It's just an old guy in sunglasses scowling at the sun saying "bring it" to a pyramid that's not doing anything (and never does anything).

It's so fucking stupid. I hate Harness so much. I hate that people still use that scene when showing how badass 12 is or whatever. Fuck.

>>85174023
RAB (read-a-book)

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>>85173964

>>85174008

I wouldn't want huge chunks of the Doctor Who audience in my cookies though

>>85174003
Who cares about that shit when there's Oreos to consume?

>>85173836
No. I think their ideologi is supported by media. Ideas like that it is important to change sex on dr who. It sounds stupid, but that is how they think

>>85173959
No shit, he's an alum from my college. We got a whole bunch of emails from the administration when his connections went public

>>85174030
The fucking I NAME YOU THE BONELESS is the worst line(s) of 12's run

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>>85174041

>>85173958
looks tasty.

>>85173969
do you like hamburgers?

>>85174003
what is your opinion on hamburgers?

>>85174023
do you like chocolate cake?

>>85174003

I don't really understand why you're so upset about the character's genitalia. Do you really think the Doctor's penis defines him as a person? Would he not be moral or intelligent or curious or brave without testicles? Why do you think that a character with an established history of wildly changing personalities would somehow be invalid if they had female genitals? What exactly is your point?

>>85174085
Why are you posting pictures of Mohammad as if I care

I hate Islam as much as I hate all religions

>>85173849
Maybe. The thing is that most of the SJWs ideas don't make sense, so I don't think it will come back if it get exposed.

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>>85173988
Eat it and weep, nigga.

>>85173996
It's actually called a Polar Pizza.

>>85174008
Here's a picture. They have four flavors, but I choose to go with the Oreos since I've been on an Oreo kick for the past few months. Not sure if it's my estrogen patch or not doing this to me.

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>>85174025
I just lost all respect for you, Cloister.

>>85173938
Maybe maybe not. But it is still a stupid thing to gamle on, for no real reason.

>>85174119
"SJWs ideas" are mainstream social sciences

They're not new and they're not going anywhere

>inb4 muh soft sciences

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>>85174133

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>>85174117
>as much as I hate all religions

>>85174117
Paki nonce

>>85174025
Reeeee, pineapple doesn't belong on pizza

>>85173946
But he's not addressing the pyramid, he's conveying the intended message from the Monks. Did you actually watch?

>>85174169
>look mommy i posted it!

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>>85174136
Pineapple should be on everything desu senpaitachi.

>>85173863
puh puh pizza

>>85173969
Obviously it have a tradition value for many people. The change is not about equality, it is about attacking and humiliating those that like the traditions. Not very nice but very SJW.

>>85173268
>No matter what you think about the gender change, it is a really stupid idea. Why polarize the fan base when it is so controversial?
The basic rule of sports is that when your team isn't working, you take a risk and shake it up, continuing what you're doing and hoping it works this time won't cut it.

>Why not make a spin off about another time lady? It is so obvious that they are out after to make a political point with this and that is just stupid for a show to do.
No one cares for other timelords, we're in it for the Doctor.
I don't really see an agenda push with this. It has always been Chibnall's wish to do it. The BBC might act retarded and say crazy stupid shit like "finally enters the 21st century", but that doesn't talk about the show's reason for the casting.

>Sure it get a lot of attention, but in the long run it make too much damage with all the negative reactions.
We dunno. This isn't like the new Ghostbusters, it's new territory for the gender swap reboot. We'll just have to wait and see.

>>85174003
>But still a creative mistake
>mistake
Errrrr Troughton is one of the greatest Doctors ever and the regeneration concept is why we still have the show, I'm not sure what definition of "mistake" you're using here.

Why do you insist that there's no creative aspect to their casting of a woman Doctor? It opens up new creative possibilities for the show (not least by expanding the range of actors you can get in...). They auditioned Whittaker and her interpretation of the role excited them, creatively. The fact there's an edge of activism to doing it for the first time doesn't invalidate that.

>>85174080
But there was a great speech surrounding that line, and he said it while banishing the monsters with his magic wand. Tho the line itself is stupid, it was surrounded by good stuff and carried by the emotion of the moment or whatever. The pose, the atmosphere, the costume, Capaldi's anger, the MUSIC, the effects. It came and it passed.

"Bring it" just.. was there. To show you how AWESOME and BADASS 12 is. While standing there scowling like he's constipated. Looking at a pyramid. Which does nothing. It's so forced and bullshit and has nothing good to hide behind.

>>85174211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0BFGO65jaw

>>85173997
I envision when it isn't forced upon us.

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>>85174186
>>85174196

>>85174237
>To show you how AWESOME and BADASS 12 is
He's not even saying it to the pyramid, I don't know why you're putting so much weight on this line when all he's doing is assessing the statement the aliens are making to the humans.

I'm fine with it because it's cannon that doctors can change gender and it's happened to other doctors in the past.

I'm more pissed that they cast 2 nigress's as love intrests and a little Indian kid to play Flash Thompson in spider man homecoming.

>>85174260
I also envision a future when gender isn't political. Unfortunately, people like you mean it take longer to get here

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>>85174237
See >>85174189
You literally didn't understand the line

>>85174225
not against the idea but that's not the basic rule of sports, the evidence is in favour of keeping faith with managers and long-term consistency is far more successful

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all of time and space, everything that ever happened or ever will, where do you want to start?

Jesus fucking Christ will you stop arguing about gender politics.

I don't care if John Hurt can out-act everyone else in the room through terminal cancer. The War Doctor doesn't and will never count.

>>85174030
nah this is the worst line.

>DOCTOR: You people. You never learn. If a child is speaking, listen to it.


>DOCTOR: No, no. Not her medication. We don't want to shut her up. We want to know what she knows. Maebh, what's the. Maebh, what is this? What is this?

>>85174104
It is not about the sex per se. It is about the way it is forced upon us. Some people put value in the traditions and how the doctor is. Other put value in destroying that value and the enjoyment the others have. They could make another time lady serie, or create another franchise suited for women or who ever the think want this, but they want to attack others values. That is the point. How abusing power to make changes to others "things". Not very nice.

>>85174338
bum

>>85174351
I completely agree

>>85174338
The future I suppose. Then the past.

>>85174218

>Obviously it have a tradition value for many people. The change is not about equality, it is about attacking and humiliating those that like the traditions

What tradition are you talking about? And why do you think that this change has been made to humiliate and attack you? If you feel humiliated and attacked, that's because you're very defensive and have low self-esteem. At no point in any of the marketing or press releases have they made any attempt to shame anybody who doesn't like the change, but simply expressed hope that they'll still enjoy it, and re-asserted their faith in the actress.

The fact that you think any change is a personal attack on you and your values seems to suggest you have a persecution/ victim complex. Why exactly is the change to the Doctor's genitals an attack on you? Do you invest heavily in your identity as "male"? If you do, do you feel that the Doctor is a stereotypical male?

>>85173319
It makes me sad that we've been stuck with such a
dull one for three years.
I hope the opening sequence is more like this for Chibnall >>85173122 It should start off in that kind of colourful corridor, and the shape of the TARDIS slowly forms out of the lights, and then as the ooooo weeee ooooo starts it gets faster and feels like the TARDIS is falling through the vortex

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>>85174338
>"You, me, in the console room while you wear pic related"

>>85174351
its canon and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>85174156
Correct. But the core value of SJW ideology can disapear. Say if it would change to the value of tradition instead of valuing confrontation. The social science wouldn't result in sjws any more then.

>>85174339
I agree, I mean, there are trannies present for fuck's sake. Show some respect for the mentally ill. We cannot just commit them to insane asylums anymore.

what are your best ideas for a doctor who episode or series arc

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>>85174302
It pairs well with chicken and pork, tenderizes beef quite nicely, and kicks up salsas and chutneys like 10 notches. There's also cake. Pineapples are the world's best food.

>>85174419
>kicks up salsas and chutneys like 10 notches
Hmmmm I'll concede to that

>>85174419
That's not fried chicken.

Niggers got the right idea, world needs more fried chicken.

>>85174418
The Doctor has an adventure. It takes up a full 45 minutes because there's no unrelated bullshit interrupting it.

>>85173546

What was with that slurping sound when he threw down the case

>>85174154

Isn't the reason to make a potentially powerful statement that gender identity isn't actually a thing, and that in fact the Doctor's personality traits and desirable qualities aren't exclusive to a particular gender?

>>85174418
>series arc
none. just 10 episodes of adventures and a finale with higher stakes. congrats I have invented the best series in nuwho

>>85174418
the doctor gets a famous golfer as a companion who is currently on a losing streak. the doctor helps him return to his former glory and in the finale he wins the pga tournament and parts ways with the doctor.

>>85174413
>We cannot just commit them to insane asylums anymore.

We never did, you fucking retard, 'gender dysphoria', and prior 'gender identity disorder' are recent diagnoses. While the conditions may have existed forever, we still didn't have any idea and still don't about what the fuck these are. They would have been committed under the false diagnosis of homosexuality. Stop being a fucking retard.

>>85174075
do you still have the emails?

>>85174225
>The basic rule of sports is that when your team isn't working, you take a risk and shake it up, continuing what you're doing and hoping it works this time won't cut it.
You think it is that desperate?
>I don't really see an agenda push with this. It has always been Chibnall's wish to do it.
So why then?
>This isn't like the new Ghostbusters, it's new territory for the gender swap reboot.
Could be the new Marvel. They had to back down when they realized that SJW didn't really care that much for comics.

>>85174418
Thirteen gives JOI

>>85174452
Fried chicken and pineapple waffles. You will loose your mind.

BBC about 13:
"She aced the audition with the powerful female life force she brings to the role. She is destined to be an utterly iconic Doctor."
LOL

>>85174228
>Why do you insist that there's no creative aspect to their casting of a woman Doctor?
Because the political climate is what it is. It isn't possible to make a change like this without taking that into consideration

Dalek companion when?

>>85174560
Surely a book or comic or something has done this?

>>85174405
Tradition has no inherent value

Doing something because it's always been done that way is one of the flimsiest possible justifications imaginable

>>85174560
Oswin

"powerful female life force"

Prepare for : stronk women, women are better than men.

>>85174418

9 solid hours of Sophie Aldred beating the shit out of an endless horde of Daleks with a baseball bat, and a Christmas special where she does the same to the Cybermen.

>>85174297
No. The response against these forced sex changes on heroes is what make it slower. They create their own opposition by acting like SJWs.

>>85174472
series 10 already did that.

>>85174554
None of the other females that auditioned had a "powerful female life force"? Sucks to be them, I guess.

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>>85174554
>powerful female life force
>life force

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>>85174554
>powerful female life force

>>85174587
>doctor and companions cornered by dalek with no hope of escape
>dalek suddenly explodes revealing a silhouette behind it
>professor

>>85174624
no it didn't, because it shoved a bunch of pointless missy scenes into half the episodes, detracting from their total runtime and undermining the importance of the sole stories being told.

www.cultbox co uk/news/headlines/peter-capaldis-doctor-who-salary-revealed
Well, I think I know why atwell changed her mind.
They pay their actors in peanuts.
Stolen from another /who/re's twitter feed.

>>85174672
Cats'?

>>85174520
Nah, graduated and deleted them all. It was mostly stuff like "even though he's involved we're not, and we're not taking any official political stance"

>>85174418
if we had good ideas for this show we wouldn't be here

>>85174386
People value things like they are.

You must see that this change is done as a action against something? White males? The patriarchy? They are attacking something and it is of course those that want things to stay as they are. It is done in an moralistic style, where those that don't like it is deemed as worse or bad. Maybe even called man childs, or misogynists and so on. It is a way to dehumanize the opponent.

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>>85174690
Negative.

>>85174554

Nobody uses the phrase "life force" unless they're planning to suck it out of someone's body.

>>85174554
Is this the bit where even though none of us saw the audition, we assume this has to be a pack of scandalous lies because there's no way she really is talented?

>>85174467
Exactly. It is a ideological reason and not a creative.

>>85174782
Who says they aren't? Tennant, Smith and Capaldi all aged a suspiciously large amount whilst in the role.

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How can one woman be both prude and lewd at the same time?

>>85174582
Yes there is a value in tradition. It give a feeling of belonging and something to trust on. To live in a ever changing chaos is horrible.

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>>85174835

>>85174585
we get what we deserve

What should I masturbate to, /who/?

>>85174418
here's my series arc:
the doctor is intrigued by the super duper important sassy companion that the doctor met as a child and also died twice who also has a grandad that the doctor met a couple of times by coincidence. this companion ends up absorbing the heart of the doctor's timestream and becomes a half time lord half human (aka a hybrid) and she sends the words bad wolf throughout time and space but this causes the universe to crack which makes the tardis suicide bomb and then the doctor walks up to the modem and turns the universe off and on again, fixing it magically. but it turns out the tardis didn't really suicide bomb and it was actually some religious extremists who did it, called the silence and they hated the doctor because they were dead people that a dude named professor yana (who was actually a woman named missy because of a magic fobwatch and was actually the future version of the daughter of the super important sassy companion) had turned into spooky skeleton cybersoldiers called the toclafane because creative names are overrated, but they were all defeated by being sucked into the magic void because everyone prayed about the doctor at the same time. the end

>>85174905
Pancakes

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>>85174947
god dont remind me of that horrible story

>>85173107
Thats from Cerebeus isn't it?

I've always wanted Doctor Who episodes centred around paranormal phenomena like alien abduction and cryptids, like an episode about the Mothman

Why do I feel like this is a safe prediction to make?

/who/ will still be bawwing over a female Doctor years after her tenure the same way that /co/ still bitches about there being a lesbian romance in The Legend of Korra three years after the show has ended.

>>>/co/93974115

>yfw the Christmas special reveals the entire series post 66 was a dream in the mind of the dying first doctor and that regeneration isn't a thing and there is no series 11 it's all over

>>85174801
ridiculously exaggerated. "life force"

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Look for the exciting new adventures of the 13th Doctor coming soon from Big Finish in 2020.

>>85175034
The Mothman was an owl anon

>>85175131
Oh hush, you know the rules: no incumbent Doctors.

>>85175159
And Area 51 probably doesn't have some ayy lmao's locked up. Doctor Who's not a fucking documentary

>>85175052
GOAT

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>>85175163

>>85174757
Doctor Who takes a political stance every time it expresses a view of what is just and right, or how the world works. Implicit in that is always the judgement that "if you disagree with this, you are wrong" or "People who behave like [baddie] are harmful". Casting moral judgements is embedded into its fabric as a story of heroism.
What seems to be different this time is that the show has now taken a stance - that the Doctor's intrinsic qualities transcend gender, and it will be a good thing if he branches out - which casts judgement on a larger number of people. It's suggesting that "I just want things to stay the same" isn't, in fact, a totally innocent view, no matter how much we'd all like it to be.

But the thing is, it's done that before...Every time the Doctor regenerates, the show is saying "change is important and if you can't learn to accept it, that's bad". The only new aspect is femaleness.

>>85175163
>what whas paul mcgann

>>85174757
Not that anon but is this still about Doctor Who

So, what do you think the companion/s will be? Male? Female? Both?

>>85174365
First it wasn't that forced its been teased since Missy, and anyway they need to 'force' it because people like you won't accept the idea so they need to do it to at least show it can be done. As for traditions, Doctor Who is about changing traditions ever since the first regeneration and a gender change is just a new way of exploring This. As someone said above it's as shocking and off-putting to some as the first regeneration which was eventually accepted so why not give it a try.

>>85175312
I give it an 80-90% chance of male

>>85175312
Male or male+female duo. Which of the two is purely down to Chibnall and co's creative wishes, which we don't yet understand, but I'm certain there'll be a guy in there somewhere (if only to soften the blow of a female Doctor & maintain the balance).

Although Chibnall does potentially seem like the kind to opt for two companions, since ensembles seem to be his specialty.

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>rewatching bad wolf/parting of ways
>daleks land on floor 475
>need to get up to top floor
>daleks go down to the bottom floor
>there's no strategic relevancd to going doen there
>they go to exterminate all the contestants for no other reason than they believe they should die
RTD was so much better than moffuck, inb4 MIDF says muh farts.

>>85175384
Wow great

>>85175374
Exactly this.

>>85173350
Ok that was fantastic.

>>85175431
And you know what? So were you

>>85174757

That's all from inside your own head though. Nobody's said that at the BBC. Nobody's discussed it in the casting. I'm sure plenty of people on the internet have called people who dislike the change manbabies and misogynists, but if you feel insulted by someone calling somebody else a manbaby, maybe you are a fucking baby, and maybe you need to grow up a bit and not get triggered by youtube comments and op-eds on pop culture websites. If you've been watching Doctor Who recently, there's been many more attacks on men and masculinity while the Doctor's been male - ironically because of Moffat's sexism and misogyny. There's been no such moralism in the press releases, no attempt at lecturing, or insulting, or attacking.

"People value things like they are" isn't a reason that the change itself is bad. People thought colour tv and sound were cheap gimmicks when they were first introduced. Should that mean we abolish colour television and go back to silent movies?

The new Doctor hasn't killed off a long line of male Doctors and replaced it with a new character. He/She is the same person. It is in no way signaling that those white male heroes were bad people, nor is it devaluing their identities and stories. And if the new Doctor is female, it could, for some people, signal the end of the idea of patriarchy.Do you believe in the patriarchy, and do you also support it? Are you therefore mad that this alleged patriarchy might be over? Do you support the idea of white male domination? I don't see the female Doctor's casting as an objection to whites or males in the same way that I don't see women and black people existing as an objection to whites or males. If you don't invest in your gender or race as an identity, then why would you care what colour or sex the Doctor is?

>>85175384
I still think the game show long game plan is far too creative for the Daleks and it doesn't really work with them as the villains, logically

Still pretty decent though, and fucking amazing if you're 9

Bit shabby that a nob-end jobbing actor who has played the same part for 30 years in a bland show that only sells in the UK is getting paid more than Peter Capaldi.

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/casualty/news/a833491/casualty-derek-thompson-highest-paid-actor/

>>85174640
>>85174554

This was LITERALLY the exact plot from The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe...

Moffat calls it again.

I remember some months back there was a good discussion about Bowie here, are there many/any Bowie fans present? Someone made this really good comment paralleling Doctor Who and David Bowie and why they shared so many similar types of fans

>>85175534
>200-249k is Capaldi's salary
>meanwhile a literally who like fucking Chris Evans gets paid all this taxpayer cash

Fuck this country m8. The system is rotten to the fucking core, beginning with the Tories.

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>>85175534
Shit, no wonder McGann is joining Holby City.

>>85175715
owie’s first-ever recording (an unreleased track for Decca called “I Never Dreamed”) was cut in London in August 1963, within a month of the shooting of the first “An Unearthly Child.” Bowie’s Mod and R&B singles coincide with William Hartnell’s term; Bowie’s sudden turn to Anthony Newley-infused psychedelia begins directly upon the arrival of Patrick Troughton, and “Space Oddity,” the culmination of this era, debuts mere weeks after the end of “The War Games.” Phil has already gone to great lengths to find connections between Ziggy Stardust Bowie and Jon Pertwee’s tenure. And the Tom Baker years are Bowie at his most visionary and influential, from Diamond Dogs through Station to Station, the Berlin trilogy and Scary Monsters.

You can keep it going for as long as you’d like. Bowie’s floundering in the mid-‘80s coincides with Who’s hiatus (during which Bowie recorded “Dancing in the Street”) and the ugly desperation of the Colin Baker years; the 1996 “modernized” TV movie appears just as Bowie’s dyed his hair copper and is attempting drum ‘n’ bass. And Bowie’s public career ends precisely at the start of Who’s successful revival: “Rose” was being filmed in Cardiff in early summer 2004 just as Bowie was playing what would be his final concerts.

>>85175761
The problem with this is that Chibnall is taking over about 2 years AFTER he died.

Who is the patrician's Doctor?

>>85172946
Holy shit she has an extremely low-angled canthal tilt. Her eyes are melting off her face.

>>85175820
Colin Baker of course

>>85173796
But a loaded gun in your mouth and jerk off to Clara.
Repeat this every single day until you feel better.

>>85175798
What if John Nathan-Turner had approached Bowie to replace Tom Baker, and Bowie, for some perverse reason, had accepted? And so when Baker lies expiring on a studio floor that January evening in 1981, his young companions quickly settling in a semi-circle around his sprawled body (still a touching, odd moment: it reminds you that Who remains at heart children’s theatre), he murmurs that the end’s been prepared for, his face blurs and suddenly David Bowie sits up in his place.

So we have the reign of the alternate Fifth Doctor, the first one to be world-famous before his casting: Bowie, the once-Buddhist, as the still moral heart of “Kinda”; Bowie wanly going through the motions in “Timeflight” or “King’s Demons”; Bowie expiring in mud and putrefaction at the end of “Caves of Androzani.” Or what stories could have come into being instead? A new golden age: who wouldn’t have wanted to write for Bowie? Scripts by Tom Stoppard, Douglas Adams, David Hare, even a stillborn disastrous attempt by Philip K. Dick, the latter prompted by Bowie’s letters. Or, conversely, it would have been the quick collapse of Who into an awful cult of celebrity, with a disgusted Bowie walking away after a season.

In any case, Bowie would have wholly altered the tenor of the show to come. The Davison era is, in one way, the story of a household left shattered by the sudden, violent death of its beloved patriarch, which has left the eldest brother in charge of a house full of orphans: the combative, resentful daughter who never forgives him; the quiet, competent daughter (his favorite) who eventually leaves him; the desperate, pathetic younger brother who dies on his watch. It’s one long family tragedy, with the Jacobean violence of “Androzani” a fitting conclusion. But with Bowie standing in Davison’s place, the Doctor would have been reborn instead as a greater alien, an abstracted force with the humanity bled out of him, leaving only the charisma.

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>>85175820

>>85175826
She's half-Indian if that's relevant

>>85175820
1

>>85175850
Good post
I'm not even memeeing, this was genuinly interesting

>>85173930
>>85173996
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>>85174008
>>85173988
>>85173930

For those curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMowZBeuNtM

>>85175746
oof, that haircut isn't doing him any favors

>>85175886
It's from Phil Sandifer's site http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/guest-post-david-bowie-and-doctor-who/

>>85175889
How is this even remotely related to Doctor Who?

>>85175889
>ice cream you HAVE to bite
no thanks

>>85175959
Look at the posts it's responding to.

>>85175915
I own his Davisonand Colin book and never read this.
Was it added afterwards ?

>>85175959
it was a successful argument de-escalation tactic for about five minutes

>>85175859
unironically, this

Anyways if anyone has any recs for where I should go after already loving Hunky Dory, Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust, Let's Dance, and Blackstar, do share

>>85175999
Not the anon you're replying to but it seems to be a guest post not actually written by Phil.
Do you actually own the physical copies? How are they?

>>85175973
How else do you eat ice cream, faggot?

>>85175820
PLEB
>10

NORMAL
>4

PATRICIAN
>2

CONTRARIAN
>Any that wasn't the TV incumbent at some point

>>85175889
>you'll never eat ice-cream pizza while high as fuck with your bros

wHY LIVE

>>85175198
Yeah. DW have taken a lot of lefties stances especially last serie when they even bashed capitalism, which is somewhat extreme.

As you say the difference with a sex change is that it is not just a throw away comment that can be forgotten after the episode, but that they change the show a a whole. Permanently.

Not only does it say that "I want things to stay the same" is not a innocent view, it also state that "We have taken action against that idea and those that hold it". That the show is attacking it own tradition in the name of norm critic. It is a statement that the show now value a breaking down of values, even those it self once held. And the devaluing of itself is a new value.

This means that the show is dissolving the concept of doctor who. If this can change, then nothing is holy and anything can be changed. And I should admit that this is very much inline with how Moffat have act as showrunner this whole time, with Gallifrey and resetting of the universe. And the problem is the same. It devalues everything and makes a death less meaningful, since she can be saved in any retarded way.

The point is that breaking down traditions is making the whole concept less meaningful. We need something to be real and to trust to be able to find meaning.

>>85176031
I only have that one because it's the era which I find the msot interesting to analyze and because he covers more Big Finsih and novels than on his blog, and since they made Colin my favorite Doctor I wanted to see Sandifer's take on it.
They are worth it for an era you particuliarly like if you can put Sandifer's absolutely retarded politics aside.

I just had a thought. What if the Thirteenth Doctor's outfit is reminiscent of what women wore during the 1920's and 1950's? I mean, what if they did a complete Fallout-esque outfit for her?

I hope they have Whittaker really acting like a pompous alien old man with a time machine and 2000 years lived experience, enough that's like, really apparent and makes her stand out to those around her in the show as well as to the audience. So you can really see the difference between a woman playing The Doctor and a woman playing a woman. It would just be really interesting to watch, not as any kind of particular statement.

>>85175324
Missy is part of the trend. And that too was forced.

A show can't be about changing tradition. If it was it would lose all meaning over time and just be a randomness.

the second doctor was necessary to keep the show going.

>>85176200
>the second doctor was necessary to keep the show going.

No it wasn't, nigger, the show could have ended with Hartnell.

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Does anyone else see a lot of David Icke-inspiration in a few NewWho episodes?
>Aliens in London/World War Three - Aliens hiding in human skin and posing as important government officials
>The Long Game/Bad Wolf - Alien race controlling the media from behind the scenes without humanity's knowledge
>The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood - literal lizard people hiding on earth
>The Silence - Aliens who manipulate human history from behind the scenes and remove themselves from people's minds through telepathic powers
>The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion - Aliens disguising themselves as humans and hiding on Earth. A woman even refers to one as a "reptilian"
>Extremis - The World as we know it is actually a holographic simulation

>>85176115
>The point is that breaking down traditions is making the whole concept less meaningful. We need something to be real and to trust to be able to find meaning.
S9 is literally entirely about this. It (along with S8, and in a way S7) broke down the archetypes of the show and of the Doctor then stealthily rebuilt them along the way through Clara, eventually proudly presenting a reconstruction of the Doctor in Clara, proclaiming "the Doctor is a good figure worthy of aspiration and emulation". Hell Bent is quite literally entirely that.

Moffat doesn't take the show for granted, he breaks down and deconstructs aspects, then sees whether they can be reconstructed. When they can, it's immensely validating. When they can't, they're well-deservedly cast aside. His reign has been enormously healthy for the show's lore.

>>85176143
Might have a look at getting them.

I disagree with on a lot of key things with him and find some of his personal views very off-putting (not his political stuff so much, but some of the magic stuff and his views on sexual abuse and the like), but the sheer amount of analysis he's created is legitimately impressive and I agree with a lot of his takes on NewWho that I've read. In any case, I very much like how a few people like him have tried to do proper sustained longform analysis of the entire show.

>>85176162
Could be cool.

>>85176200
>A show can't be about changing tradition
Doctor Who is literally about this, it's the entire basis of its longevity. The show died when it stopped being just historicals, the show died when they recast the lead, the show died when they stranded the Doctor on Earth. But wait - it didn't. It just transformed, as it ever did, and as it will always do if it wants to survive.

>>85176277
Definitely with RTD at least.

>>85175725
>Being anti-BBC
>Not voting Tory

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>>85175820
Obviously.

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Cast her.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complaint/DoctorWhoJodieWhittaker/

This show is getting cancelled

>>85176390
One day, but not yet, and not because of her.

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>>85176277

Hi, we're the Monks. We're going to kill The Doctor permanently leaving him/her with no more regenerations left. Dubs decide if we do it during the Thirteenth Doctor's tenure.

>>85175502
If it is not an attack it didn't need to be done. Some people don't like it and therefor it is an attack. They have a reason and it is not creative.

You can't compare it with a color-tv. That was a technological change that people wanted. This is a change aimed against tradition itself.

I don't believe in the feminist interpretation of patriarchy. I support the idea of competence instead of representation.

>>85176164
I know what you mean, I'm hoping for a Smith-like revelation where the actor embodies something totally alien to how they initially appear. It's especially paramount when an actor under 40 has the role, IMO.

>>85176424
>change aimed against tradition itself.
Good

Fuck tradition

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>>85176335
The Tories control the BBC though. Have for eight years.

>>85176277
I feel like it's not necessarily specific David Icke inspiration, so much as it's drawing from the same base well of existential paranoia (which we all have access to on some level).

>>85176362
Queen of an alien race who all look like busty women and communicate by inflating and deflating their breasts

>>85176362
Romana XII

>>85176362
Christina Hendricks for those who don't know.

>>85176502
I like how you articulated that. Any more thoughts on that "base well"?

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13 a cute

>>85176326
Exactly. The whole Moffat era is a "deconstruction" of everything and building it up in a new way. I hate that. It suck all meaning out of everything. Companions doesn't really die, everything can be flipped and reset. It makes the whole show meaningless when it is nothing to rely on

Moffat is the main problem with the show.

>>85176424
>Some people don't like it and therefor it is an attack
What sort of bullshit logic is this? If my neighbor paints the color of his house and I don't like the color, that doesn't make it an attack on me, it just means my neighbor has changed something that he's fucking well within his rights to change

>>85176549
That just made me realise, we're most likely getting a new sonic too. Hope it's less 'loud' than 12 and 11's.

>>85176468
You don't understand tradition.

>>85176560
You didn't really engage with my point though, which is that that reconstruction is the ultimate validation and indicator of strength and worthiness.

>>85176416
You only got one trip and it was a fairly important one. If this post ends with dubs may the Monks never get another dub or trip again.

>>85173113
Will we ever see the Doctor unload a whole clip in an enemy ever again boys?

>>85176549
Why does she look like Rose Tyler to me?

>>85176591
Tradition is doing shit for no other reason that it's always been done

>>85173113
The only thing that could make this video better is 10 saying "I never would" at the end

>>85176570
It is the logic that if you want to chang3e something people want to keep. It is an attack on them and their values. You don't feel entitled to your neighbors house but you do feel so about a show that you are a fan of.

Can someone please post the 'Dr Poo' response copypasta?

>>85176657
Because they're both blonde and the art isn't terribly good.

>>85174365
You keep making the separate but equal argument like it has any kind of actual weight

>why didn't they just make another spinoff with a girl which would obviously fail because they can't call it doctor who so no one would give a shit. If it fails then that clearly means having a female time lord isn't a good idea!

Not massively happy with the choice but Jodie is a good actor and i'm looking forward to see what she does with it - it'll be different at least, which is all that matters

But fuck the press for posting nude pics of her. That's fucking shitty.

>>85176665
Here's the thing though, just because you feel entitled to it doesn't mean you actually are. No one involved with Doctor Who owes you anything.

Once we know the personality of Jodie Whittacker's Doctor. Could we add how she might respond to a transgender companion to this copypasta?

http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com/wiki/Transgendered_Companion

>>85176613
No. It is a devaluation of the whole thing. If you change big things like sex, you make every thing seem less stable. The whole concept becomes weakened. If they changed doctor who into a show about a kid that have a skateboard and are in love with some girl down the street. Then it isn't dr who any more, and it has lost is value as doctor who. It might be worth something for what it is now, but not as the show about a timetravler in a blue box that we used to like.

>>85176660
No, tradition is having and doing things you value in them self.

>>85176815
Just saying "no" and repeating your opinion isn't very conductive to conversation. I wasn't talking about 13 in any case - I was pointing out that reconstruction is validation.

>>85176685
I'm thinking of writing a letter to Parliament. I'll wait until the election is done with so I know who to address it to, of course, but it should be someone of great importance, possibly the PM themself. I will make sure to outline the problem we are facing here and that I expect and immediate and swift response. There is absolutely no reason that a community of intelligent, tolerant and like-minded individuals such as ourselves should endure such harassment. The words "doctor" and "poo" should hardly ever be in the same sentence, even, and just typing them out makes me white-knuckled with fury. I'm visibly shaking with fury, here, so I must apologise for my language. But the simple fact is that this cannot go on, and despite my best efforts it continues. I'm at my wit's end. This - I hesitate to refer to them as a 'person', for I can scarcely conceive of a human capable of such callousness - NEEDS to be stopped, no matter the cost.

>>85176851
That means literally nothing

Friendly reminder that "non-canon" is just another word for "kino"

>>85176815
melanon?

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The Thirteenth Doctor will have a Hispanic male companion named Marco Diaz.

>>85176779
>i used to have a cock too

>>85176736
Because my point is that they for some reason want to specifically change the show that are established. And the reason is because they want to attack the traditions and the norms. And in reality those that feel strongly about that. And they do that in a moralistic way that belittles those that hold those values, even dehumanize them in some cases.

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>>85176925
Is his middle name Paine

>>85176866
The same nightmare for weeks now. It's Saturday evening, and I've just settled down to engage in the greatest televisual experience of a lifetime - or as we might all refer to it, the latest episode of Doctor Who. But something's wrong. There's no cold open; it just begins straight away with the title sequence. No big deal, I peruse; Doctor Who has always pushed boundaries and broken its own molds, which is clearly what's happening here. Completely unexpected, and it blows me away.

But then I focus on the music. The reassuring melody is... off. There's something perverse about it, a quivering, high-pitch in-between notes, it's... fart noises. I apologise for the language, but I can think of no other way to describe them. I try to pass it off as a problem with my TV's speakers, even though I always make sure to purchase the largest, clearest, most up-to-date model before a new series starts, so I can enjoy them in the highest possible quality.

And then the title zooms into place, and I feel sick to the core.

Doctor.

Poo.

I jolt awake, cold sweat on my brow, armpits clammy, sheets soaked with urine (again). AT least I had the foresight to line my mattress with a plastic sheet this time. But it can't go on. Some how, some way, I NEED to put a stop to this. I'm just not sure how yet.

>>85176763
Sure. But that doesn't change how I and others feel. And by attacking what we value they are degrading our feelings as not enough important. And since the reasons behind are so empty, it is in reality just an attack on us.

Chancellor Flavia more like Chancellor Labia

>>85176865
It is not an opinion. It is a argument. If you break things down, the lose value since they don't have the same strength.

>>85177063
Good one.

>>85176541
Okay. As human beings, with closed-off consciousnesses, we have an inherently limited historical perspective. We don't know what's going on in other people's heads, or on the other side of the world, in the past, or in the future. We have to build up our own personal views of life in order to function, but we can never actually be sure deep-down that we're right about anything. One of the scariest prospects is that we're actually wrong about everything, and that prospect is always hanging over us.
Because our brains work by recognising and reading things as familiar, things that don't 'fit' into our constructed worldviews become causes for primal fear. So basically anything unfamiliar. If you take that to its logical fullest extent, then anything you don't intimately know and recognise becomes something to be feared and suspected - not just the corridors of power high above you, or the fundamental nature of the universe, but even strangers walking the street alongside you.

Doctor Who taps into that fear because it makes good television, but it often proposes a kinder view of the universe where aliens can potentially be friendly or human-like.

The flipside of that is to recast people as Satanic, witches, demons, unfathomable cosmic reptilians, etc. etc. because the prospect of their humanity is too foreign for your mind to accept. It's a tale as old as time.

>>85176922
who?

>>85177087
Did you miss the part where we talking about reconstruction, not deconstruction? Insistently presenting your opinions as factual is pretty deincentivising to discussion as well.

>>85176925
I kind of hope so just so we could get an animated thing like this one just with a Star Vs. The Forces of Evil skin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALcQh2HqKT4

>>85177033
It's not an attack, just a change. You're the one who sees it as an attack. You're also the only one that's saying the reasons are empty. No one's attacking you. The show is just changing as it always does, and you're unhappy with the outcome.

>>85177009
I was in a coffee shop with a group of friends (fortunately, all of them well within my intelligence range) and we were discussing Doctor Who as sophisticates do. The topic of the next Doctor came up (as it inevitably does) and we began to muse upon potentials and possibilities. All was going well, until one of my friends suggested an Indian actor. I forget the exact name, for it's drowned out in my memory by the white-hot flash of rage that I experienced the moment upon hearing it. The funny thing was, I didn't even know why. It took a few more moments of self-introspection to bridge the gap between subconscious and conscious:

Indian = Poo in loo

Doctor = Indian

Doctor = Poo in loo

Doctor ... Poo

I leapt to my feet and my fist was raised, ready to strike down my friend who in that moment was my enemy, that instant wherein all I saw was red, but thankfully I possess the emotional and intellectual maturity to reign my anger and, with a deep breath, lowered my arm.

Of course, the motion and the noise of my chair clattering aside as I stood up had drawn the attention of the group, as well as some other patrons of the shop. A tense silence had fallen over the room, and I realised it was up to me to break it.

I merely righted the chair, slipped into my jacket and, with a long, heavy sigh, told my friends that I couldn't go on like this, and marched out into the rainy night.

>>85177130
No. But the reconstruction is only valuable for the person it ís done for. Not for anyone else. If it is done to make the perfect show for Moffat, it don't mean that it suits anyone else. But the breaking down of things always make them weaker. You can't trust that what happened will stay as it is. Maybe some Moffat-guy will make the companion come back after death or change what is already established.

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So when can we have The Doctor regenerate into a talking corgi?

>>85177252
>Dogtor Who

>Clala, be my pal. Tell me - am I a good boy?

>>85177180
I find a lot of NewWho-only fans, especially those that were very attached to Tennant (or sometimes Matt), struggle with this, because they aren't as tapped into the context of the show as this ever-changing thing. When you're familiar with more of the show, the mindset of "sometimes the show will really appeal to me, sometimes it won't, that's the way of things" seems more natural, but to people approaching NewWho as just another television show, that's a very alien mindset. So big changes in NewWho might seem bizarre, or like an attack, instead of something that's been happening since 1963 - the show endlessly iterating, transforming, regenerating.

>But the reconstruction is only valuable for the person it ís done for. Not for anyone else.
Care to parse that, or at least explain what makes your opinion the sole correct one?

>>85177180
What are the reasons then? enough to upset all these people I hope. May understanding is that is an attack on norms and tradition and therefor on the people that holds them. What else could it be?

>>85177287
I forgot to link to >>85177238
in the second part of my comment.

>>85177195
How long is this saga

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>>85177252
When Eric Roberts comes back to Doctor Who to play a cat Master.

Has The Doctor ever been converted over to a Cyberman?

I wake up with the most blistering headache I've ever known. A hangover to end all hangovers. Through blurred, swaying vision, I see a light glaring at me, but it's not something I can focus on for long as a gurgling tremor, like a rumble of thunder of the horixon, emanates from my stomach. I have urgent business to attend to.

Once I have ejected what feels like every last drop of fluid from my body, I stagger back into the room. The light's still glaring, and I'm able to focus enough now to see that it is my computer screen. Evidently it was left on last night, but I don't recall using it. I only recall flashes, a bar, drinks... so many drinks. I can't remember anyone else with me, but that's not unusual, during these periods in which I choose to drown my sorrows.

I look at the screen, and there are several tabs open, untouched since last night. I click through them, curious as to what my drunken mind saw fit to visit, and stagger back - not in drunkenness, but in horror.

106 tabs, all the exact same webpage. Google. And in single one of them, the image search results for the exact same phrase:

doctor poo

I am assaulted with a combination of screen stills from Doctor Who and what I can only describe as scatological pornography. But that is far from the worst of my discovery. I look down at the desk in front of the screen, and see a collective of scrunched-up tissues. Dreading the worst, I lower a hand to my crotch, tentatively squeezing the fabric of my jeans.

Moist. And sticky.

And in one crashing moment of epiphany I understand what I have done; what I have been driven to in my madness, my obsession. What this ordeal has done to me. Has it really driven me this far? It is possible for a person's anger to build so densely that it can mutate into fascination... pleasure, even?

But it's true. Through the fog of the hangover my thoughts begin to clarify. I can think of one thing only, running through my mind like a drumbeat.


Doctor Poo.


Doc.

Tor.

Poo.

>>85177252
>"I'm over her being clever. WHY IS NO ONE WATCHING ME BE A CLEVER! GRRRRRRR!"

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>>85177155
There almost was an animated Doctor Who during the wilderness years, made by the same folks that did The Real Ghostbusters

>>85177393
I think so in the Supremacy of the Cyberman comic story

>>85177393
11th was. partially

New thread

>>85177447
>>85177447
>>85177447


>>85177393
Mr Clever in the one on the moon

>>85177287
But it is not jsut a show about change. somethings will thereby be unchanged, and stay as they are. These things are what makes the show what it is. The Tardis, the regenerating doctor, companions and so on. By staying male for 12 guys in a row makes that a part of what the show is.

>Care to parse that, or at least explain what makes your opinion the sole correct one?

You held that reconstruction was strengthening and improving. I say sure. But only for those it is done for. For the rest it is just destruction of value. and those that like the show probably like it for what it is.

>>85177468
when

>>85177442
What is this show's love for question marks? Seventh Doctor. This. Does The Doctor love question marks more than the fucking Riddler?

>>85177511
>Doctor Who?

>>85177511
He's called Doctor Who?, why would he not like question marks?

More to the point, it's probably just to stress that he's all about mysteries and learning and shit like that

>>85177493

To be fair, the first Doctor regenerating was a big change.