Did he ever do anything wrong, besides trusting Shane?

Giving up Ronnie

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>>85160660
daily reminder that this bitch was the worst.

>>85160660
Just finished my Soprano marathon, thanks OP I know what to watch next

>>85161006
Women are the worst tbqh

>>85160843
I never like gardocki he always rubbed me the wrong way like he was an undercover fag

>>85160660
Murdering an innocent man, let alone a fellow Police Officer in the first episode is a bit questionable

Murdered a fellow officer. Betrayed two of his best friends.

If you came away from the show thinking of Vic as anything close to a decent person then you are retarded.

>>85161325
because decent people catch criminals?

>>85160660
Frank Semnoy did nothing wrong

>>85161006
are you actually retarded? im thinking exactly the opposite, the bitch was perfect for shane, loved him the best she could and shane was a great character too besides having his obvious flaws. I really loved these two.

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>>85161537
>turns you against your boss
>eventually leading you to murder your friend
>threatens your boss's wife
>perfect

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>>85160660
He picked on Dutch.

>>85164588
Best character desu

>>85161325
The whole point of the character was to show that he is more effective than anyone else. He uses questionable methods, but like Claudette says in the pilot, nobody cares if some nigger or some spic gets roughed up if it keeps the peace in a crime-ridden constituency.

The philosophy behind Vic's actions is linked with that of his predecessor, Joe Clark, and is summarised as "Always do more good than bad". Vic does some horrible things throughout the series, but he is also the best cop with the most important and numerous arrests. He takes out child rapists, drug lords and the fucking cartel itself. Catches that nobody else could get.

He also cares deeply about doing good even if it doesn't benefit him materially, like bagging the taxi king or beating up the father that beat his son regularly as they found out from the taxi bugs, even though everyone else would've turned a blind eye just to keep the operation going.

He is irreplaceable and he wants to do good, which are good qualities. He's also a survivor, which is an ambiguous quality as shown in the series, because it pushes him to do bad things as well. But in the end, he fulfilled his philosophical objective, to do more good than bad, at least in my opinion. And that's not really that bad, is it?

If you finished the show thinking that Vic is just the bad guy because le cop kill, then you are retarded. Tell that to all the people who would've died/suffered if not for Vic's actions.

>>85160843
He got played, he thought he had to save Corrine and the kids so he prioritized, he didn't know he was betrayed by them. I think the most likely scenario is he goes to save Ronnie any way he can after the finale since he's the only one he can save.

>>85160660

That time he killed a policeman in cold blood in episode 1.

>>85165214
The point was: most of those who commit evil are always thinking they're doing good. Vic always set a chain of events that corrupted everyone near him, he was a bad cop and he made everyone a worse person just by being around them. He killed the efforts of Rowlings, Aceveda, Kavanaugh and every person who wanted to change things for the better. And in the end, he only covered his ass, sold out his buddies which means he deserved to be shot by his own code of ethics. The last episode was just destruction of Vic and his web of lies.

>>85164588
fucker killed a cat, he deserved it

>>85165214
>But in the end, he fulfilled his philosophical objective, to do more good than bad
while making bank

You left out a pretty big part there buddy.

>>85165760
But would he have killed the cat if he hadn't been subjected to Vic's relentless bullying?

>>85165604
Vic truly did corrupt everyone around him, but they always followed. They weren't angels before joining the team, they always had a little Vic in them. But the show does well in showing that Vic is unique both in character and skill. He is at peace with who he is and he is the smartest of them all. He is the only one who can walk that line of moral ambiguity and scheming to keep the peace/catch a bad guy. When Shane tries to do it, he collapses.

Regarding his bosses, every boss Vic ever had was a hypocrite. Aceveda wanted to take him down to show that he wants to rip out the corruption from the PD, but uses him and collaborates with him at every turn. Rawlings tries to work with Vic and for a small period of time they are the most effective pair of cops in the whole show, could possibly be even better if Shane wasn't constantly fucking up. Claudette, for all her moralising, was also a hypocrite. When she got the goody two shoes replacement for Vic, she fired him herself after some time because she wanted him to have "a little Vic in him".

As for his buddies, Lem died because Shane was deranged, and most of all because of Mara, probably the most damaging character in the whole show for the moral compass of the strike team. She really was behind a lot of the bad that happened to Shane. Vic hadn't planned to sell Ronnie out, he simply had to because he picked his wife and kids over him, which is reasonable. If he knew about the betrayal, he would've probably run away with him or helped him escape. But yes, at the end of the day, it's Vic's freedom over everyone else. Everyone is like that, Vic's just honest about it to himself, which is why I said he's at peace with who he is. Which is why he picks up the gun and moves on to the next endeavor after he's lost everything.

>>85165801
long time since it watched it, but iirc the first serial killer they caught put the idea into his head.


Also BD release probably in the """near""" future

>>85165604
>change things for the better.
Oh please that feel good community policing bullshit. Its idealistic nonstarter with no basis in reality. Vic got results and saved lives.Nigs are gonna nig
>>85165782
He lost it all tho or most of it at least

>>85165782
He established himself on the street and got some bank out of it. He felt that he wasn't being rewarded enough by the higher ups who constantly snobbed him and used him when they had to appear effective but would discard him when they wanted to appear righteous and incorrupt. I say it serves them right that Vic got something more out of it.

The more interesting part is about its effect on the street. Vic often established peaceful monopolies of drug trade to keep the peace, and often stole and traded drugs himself to do that. While a crime in itself, I think Vic was right in predicting that this was the best course of action to keep the peace. You don't fight drug trade by taking out every drug dealer there is, because you can't stamp out the demand for drugs in such a poor district. The supply will find its way there eventually, and some times the supplier will be much worse than before (cartel).

Vic's deal with Tio in the first season is probably the most utilitarian choice for Farmington. If more policemen were in on this and were protecting Tio from Armadillo, the peace would be kept. This shows that the law isn't always the best tempalte for peace everywhere, and Vic knew that. He did care about what was best in the community.

>>85165801
Nothing to do with Vic, he wanted to prove himself he wasn't a sociopath

>>85165801
He just wanted to feel what a serial killer feels, out of morbid curiosity. When you read about serial killers, don't you sometimes wonder what goes through their heads, why they do the things they do? That's what Dutch wanted.

I think there was also an alternative plotline for Dutch, wherein he actually became a serial killer and the finale reveals that his basement is full of bodies, but the writers scrapped that, for the best.

>>85166047
>I think there was also an alternative plotline for Dutch, wherein he actually became a serial killer and the finale reveals that his basement is full of bodies, but the writers scrapped that, for the best.

Good, it would have been total bs

>>85165995
>Vic's deal with Tio in the first season is probably the most utilitarian choice for Farmington. If more policemen were in on this and were protecting Tio from Armadillo, the peace would be kept. This shows that the law isn't always the best tempalte for peace everywhere

Unironically arguing for widespread police corruption when legalization and regulation would in fact be the solution your arguments support..

>>85166047
>don't you sometimes wonder what goes through their heads, why they do the things they do?

Not at all. I'm able to accept that some killers derive pleasure from the act of killing/inflicting suffering. This is really of no interest to me and if anything pretty fucking sad tbqh.

>>85166047
>but the writers scrapped that, for the best.

I disagree, wish they would've went somewhere with that. Not sure if it had to have been that, but it would've been interesting.

>>85166088
Who says I don't support legalization and regulation? I'm simply adapting a solution to the drug trade in Americas in the most realistic way possible. Do you really think the retarded burgerflaps that started the war on drugs would ever legalize drugs? It's not happening, period. Therefore the next best choice for relative peace in a poor district in LA is unironically widespread police corruption led by a relatively benevolent dictator, Vic. It's more than any other region gets.

>>85166145
>I'm able to accept that some killers derive pleasure from the act of killing/inflicting suffering

Well, yeah, but the question is what KIND of pleasure it is. It's not always just the run of the mill sexual satisfcation, some killers like the granny rapist say that taking the life out of a living mammal gives him a pleasure that he can't exactly explain, it's unlike every common feeling that "normies" get to feel in their routine. It's an experience that very few people get to feel, which tempts Dutch, and I kind of understand that. It would be akin to ejaculating for the first time all over again. So people naturally become curious about it.

>>85165760
Why did the crazy Dutch storyline never go any further than this? They set it up then did nothing with it

>>85166290
>it's unlike every common feeling that "normies" get to feel in their routine. It's an experience that very few people get to feel, which tempts Dutch, and I kind of understand that. It would be akin to ejaculating for the first time all over again. So people naturally become curious about it.

I'd argue it's a feeling only people that are wired that way get to feel, so unless you've been feeling some strong urge to commit these kinds of acts already, killing some defenseless cat really isn't going to give you that.

>>85165214
>that's not really that bad, is it?
Morally, he is a piece of shit, regardless of how much good he tried to do, but that's what makes him a good character. Means to an end is not an acceptable excuse when it comes to doing good, even if it has more success.

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Shane did nothing wrong

>>85164588
dutch boy was /ourguy/

>>85166524
>I'd argue it's a feeling only people that are wired that way get to feel

Perhaps, I'm not a criminal psychologist but I'd say it definitely isn't all genetic. It's no coincidence that people with the tendency to kill and derive pleasure from it have had some kind of traumatic even/sequence of events in their past, whether they were abused, raped, bullied relentlessly or constantly rejected by women. Exposure to horrific events definitely fucks you up to some extent. There may be people who "have it in them" but never get to explore it because their urge was never triggered by significantly harming another person.

Like >>85166013 said, Dutch probably wanted to see if he had it in him, he didn't know whether he would feel anything or not when killing the cat, so that argument is moot I think.

>>85166533
>Morally, he is a piece of shit,
Says who? According to HIS morality, he is doing just fine. He is a consequentialist through and through. He's a "piece of shit" because you don't share his consequentialist morality. I think it'd be more helpful to this discussion if you explained from your point of view why you believe this:
>Means to an end is not an acceptable excuse when it comes to doing good, even if it has more success.
Now that's something that can be argued upon and contrasted with Vic's own view.

>>85165214
I understand your point, but in fact Vic was toxic for everyone and everything around him.

I think we can say, season 1-3 where the season when Vic dragged the strike team in a lot of shit and since season 4 he tried his best to be clean and pull everyone out of the trouble he caused.

He is not a proper "villain" and goddamn if he put all the effort to save everyone but he crossed the line long ago.

>>85161006
no
Mara was a pure waifu
Vic and Strike team was toxic to Shane and she tried to pull him out

>>85160660
Vic Mackey did nothing wrong
Fuck anyone who says otherwise

>>85165466
Snitches end up in ditches

Ronnie was underrated tbqh. He's the typical silent strong character while being the smartest guy in the room. Should've been the one to get out in the end.

>>85166507
some of the writers, kurt sutter included, wanted to end with a reveal of dutch being a serial killer.

>>85166690
>Says who?
You simply cannot justify his murdering of innocent people without coming to the conclusion that he is a piece of shit.

>>85166087

That was one of Sutter's ideas wasn't it? The "lol Dutch is a serial killer" reeks of the dumb edgy "WHAT A TWEEEST" bullshit that SoA became synonymous with.

>>85166897
>while being the smartest guy in the room

Yeah, he was so smart that he ended up in prison sucking dick
Really makes you think

>>85166784
>season 1-3 where the season when Vic dragged the strike team in a lot of shit and since season 4 he tried his best to be clean and pull everyone out of the trouble he caused.

Correct, notice the fact that having a new leader that believes in him changes a lot about he acts on the street. Vic's behavior largely stems from how his bosses treated him.

>He is not a proper "villain"
Yeah, he is usually called an anti-hero.

>he crossed the line long ago.
Not so sure about that. For many people, Terry was that line, but the reality is a lot messier than that. Vic is presented as someone who will engage with everyone if they let him, from the most do-good idealists like Claudette to the scum of the earth. Terry chose not to engage with Mackey and viewed him as just another dirty cop to take out, a stepping stone for his career on the way to DC as his demands from Justice reveal. He didn't care about his action's effect on the streets.

I'd say that all in all, Vic cared more about doing good on the street than Terry did. Terry isn't this untainted angel whose only goal is to clean up the streets, he's just as selfish as everyone else on the show, and that is explained and expected of the viewers to understand I think.

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>>85166821
Mara was probably the most toxic character on the show. Even excluding the fact that she's inherently a piece of shit, since she shoots an innocent girl at the end of the show, constantly justifies and rationalizes Shane's actions and is ok with them, and bashes Tavon's skull in for no fucking reason while lying to him about it.

Mara's worst effect was her empowering effect on Shane. She gave him confidence, some would say arrogance, he made him believe he could be his own boss, his own Vic. Inflating someone's ego is extremely dangerous when not understanding the circumstances like Mara did. She's the main reason for Shane's downfall, from the point he starts believing that he's better than Mackey. But he never was. And that leads to his constant fuck ups, to killing Lem, and to committing suicide and killing his family. As far as waifus go, I'd be hard pressed to find one more destructive than Mara.

>>85166974
If Vic didn't sell him out, Ronnie would've gotten out scot free. You can argue he was dumb enough to trust Vic, but he wouldn't have gotten anywhere without trusting Vic.

>>85167123
vic will probably cut a deal with his street contacts to help out ronnie or bust him out anyway

>>85160660
>previously on the shield
HE MADE YOU SUCK?

>>85167163
Help or no help he's still in prison for life. And busting people out of heavy security American prison isn't really possible nowadays

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>>85166985
Well i think this is the point on the whole show, everyone is grey and you can argue about who was right and who was wrong in endless way.

The only character who truly deserve to be hated was Aceveda anyway.

>>85165214
>It's a Vic's enemies put aside their differences because they need his help

>>85167293
I kind of wondered about Ronnie's sentence, and then I remembered this FAQ from IMDb.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286486/faq?ref_=tt_faq_1#.2.1.23

>Would Ronnie get the death penalty?
>Unlikely. Most of what they had on Ronnie was Vic's confession. Without other evidence, they would have a hard time sending him to jail for anything other than aiding Shane by delivering the money for Vic. The authorities would also likely reach some sort of agreement with Ronnie, to keep a lot of the corruption out of the press, because they wouldn't want the Barn's convictions to be overturned.

So it's definitely not as bad as it looks on the show, or rather as bad as that ICE bitch told Vic.

Also, regarding the break out, one of the most likely fan theories regarding Vic's possible actions after the fnale was this:
>Another tie-in theory to this is that Vic may have gone out and busted some big-time gang members/drug dealers under the guise of his I.C.E. authority. Then made a deal with them to break Ronnie out of prison for Vic. That way should they succeed or fail, there would be nothing to tie Vic to the crime as he would likely establish an alibi for himself. Thus keeping Vic's immunity intact.

Which sounds very Vic Mackey to me. This is the most likely course of action for me too regarding the post-finale timeline.

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>>85160660
This is now a Billings appreciation thread

>>85167177
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2aINQduzqM

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>>85167407
>fan fiction

>>85167432
this character was weird, he seemed to be a great detective when he put the effort, but he rarely did, I don't understand why he was so lazy/apathetic

>>85160660
Is there any show out there with a better pilot? It's literally impossible not to continue watching with this one.

>>85168489
You'll understand if/when you get there

Vic: Leader of an effective. But also corrupt strike team
>fucked and cucked into office work with no friends

Shane: Weirdo dude whose also a dick. With cunt wife
>An heros and also an kills his senpai.

Lem: Good dude. Has morals. Good cop. One of the better ones
>Gets fucking naded

Ronnie: Bit more of a dick than Lem. But likeable and one of the better ones
>Gets set up hard. Poor Ronnie.

>>85168771
>tfw already there in my early 20s
i'm balding too, fuck this

>>85168489
People were always walking all over him with their anger shoes, making him who he was on the show. A true tragedy.

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>>85168489
>>85169389
Billings would probably be god tier detective (even better tha dutch) if he only cares about it. But why put an effort on this? He is buried in the barn, surrounded by dirty cops and gangbangers, just waiting to retire and find a way to make extra money. But one point is crucial, when he decide to do something, shit was done.

>Harambe screaming at him he was useless, he step in the interrogation room and nail the killer in 5 minutes
>He said he would do good as a strike team member because he likes Ronnie and in the same day takles a nigger like a pro
>Instantly identify the runaway girls rapist the first time he meet him, after dutch talked to him many times and suspected nothing
>Managed to avoid any problem as a eye witness during that shooting at the car wash
>And his masterpiece, shipping Tina and Hiatt togheter then luring dutch in front of her home while they was fucking

And not a single task was done before refilling the vending machines.

>>85169872
Yeah, billings was frighteningly effective when he wanted to. I wish he was explored more throughout the show. We only know that he cared about his daughter from the arc where he plants the evidence on that pedophile that moves in his family's neighbourhood.

>>85169872
>>85171594
I've liked him since he was on Due South

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>>85169872
>it's a billings spread naked Tina's pics trou the barn episode

>>85172023
you're forcing me to fap to latina porn now, good job

>>85172180
my pleasure

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>>85166597

Fuck off pedo

>>85166576

This, because of his stupidity they never ran out of storylines for the strike team having to deal with problems

>>85172023
damn, nice penis

>>85167293
>Help or no help he's still in prison for life. And busting people out of heavy security American prison isn't really possible nowadays

He got shived within days because is/he was a cop you mong

>>85168489
>not pulling the billings at work

Maybe one day you'll get a job and understand

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>>85171881

He also played a cop on IASIP. Deepest lore

>>85172371

I still remember back when the show was going on how everyone thought Ronnie was going to turn out to be this slick Keyser Soze type who was secretly the brains behind the operation and would end up being the last man standing.

Instead he ends up being the biggest cuck of the series.

>>85172937
>Instead he ends up being the biggest cuck of the series.

Vic literally got cucked by Dutch of all people

>>85172984
Dutch fucked his wife?

>>85172510
Dennis doing CCH Pounder is the funniest moment in all of Sunny

>>85173047
yep

>>85173119
Bullshit. I don't remember that

>>85173238
If your brain is rotting it's no my problem brah

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This show was a dud:

>end a season with a Nation of Islam occupation of the police station
>they don't appear in any subsequent episodes

>lem shoots that spic with a carton of cigs
>strike team plants a gun on him
>then they rob evidence transfer to recover the gun so the spic doesn't get prosecuted
>then they plant the gun on the same gang of spics they set up for the evidence van robbery
>somehow the original spic doesn't get charged even though the weapon planted on him was returned to evidence

I liked that scene where they planted the camera in Dutch's car, though.

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>>85172023
looks like cassidy grew up well

>>85173104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDLkDmzhJQ
vid related

>>85173970
top kek i love its always sunny in philly

>>85173351
dutch was easily the only good thing about the show

too bad about it becoming the vic mackey show starring michael chicklis' entire family

>>85173351

HUNGRY LIKE THE WOOLF

>>85169872
My nigger. Billings is a fucking top tier character. Making Dutch into a literal cuck is fucking God tier.

>>85174054
reddit

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>>85172023

>>85176903
>dat Hiatt face

Man i think in the end he was relieved to get fired by Claudette, the barn was a fucking madhouse from the point of view of a newcomer

>>85161242
>rat who was sent to infiltrate his inner circle and put him and his crew in prison
>innocent man

pick one faggot

>>85178914
>it's a crime to legally investigate criminal operations, punishable by assassination
what did you mean by this?

>>85178914
Dude are you some kind of italian mafia mobster? How could you even think an undercover policeman for the department of justice is "a rat"?

>>85176903
me on the bottom right pic

>>85176903
>when you're enjoying a video game and the screen turns black and you see yourself

>>85173351
>>85174919
Shane's over the top laugh makes that scene gold
>LOOKS LIKE HIS NEXT DATE IS GOING TO BE WITH SOME HAND CREAM

>>85169872
/ourguy/
Billings - /tv/
Dutch - reddit

>>85178984
>>85179050
Are you faggots serious?

In the world they live in and signed up for, yes, a cop investigating other cops is considered a rat. Even clean cops wouldnt rat out another cop. Its considered the lowest shit you can do in both criminal and law enforcement circles.

Have you never left your parents basement and interacted with people in the real world?

Calling Terry Crowley an "innocent" who Vic killed is like saying a soldier who kills another soldier on the field of battle is a murderer. He knew the stakes and was willing to inform on his fellow officers. He is far from innocent.

I hope one day when you emerge from your basement you try to buy some drugs off a friend who sets you up to get arrested. Then you can come back and tell me how "innocent" rats are.

>>85179633
>we're supposed to accept that criminal establishments should be left alone
i'm not saying it was unprecedented or unexpected, but he is by all accounts innocent. your inability to distinguish these two concepts is worrying, you might want to get yourself checked out for autism.

>>85179633
>Its considered the lowest shit you can do in both criminal and law enforcement circles.

Criminal rules are NOT the same as law enforcement rules. No one is above the law and your duty as a citizen and much more as a cop is report someone who brokes it, even if it's your partner.

>>85179091
Well Hiatt was pretty handsome, i would be happy to look like him

>>85179633

but Anon

we killed...

a cop!

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>>85180192
M'lady.

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>>85179633

This guy is clearly LAPD

>>85177241

Well he did get transfered to Hawaii so everything turned out fine for him

shane did nothing wrong

lem ruined everything

what a comfy thread

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>>85160660
He fucking killed a person who trusted him.

>>85184335
who

Season 3 is underrated because it's the only season where Vic and Dutch are cool with each other.

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>people blaming Vic
>people blaming Shane
>people blaming everyone

Why no one blame the character who really started the falling?

>>85183755
I love shield

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>>85184436
>Season 3
>underrated

It's literally the best season in the whole show

3 > 7 > 5 > 6 > 2 > 4 > 1

>>85165214
>>85165604
vic wasn't a bad cop

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Where my fellow /spookstreet/ niggers at?

>>85186614
they all shifted to the oneniners

Thanks for the comfy Shield tread OP, we dont get a whole lot these days. Maybe sometime soon we'll get a Justified thread

>>85187295
fuck man, justified was top comfy, i really miss it.

>>85187295
i like both too

>>85186512
Replace 3 with 5 and I agree with you. Season 5 is one of the all time great seasons of any TV show imo.

>>85161006
they were fucking weirdly perfect for each other

gas anyone watched this SIX show? the back home drama is all shit as is the dialogue between the grunta but it has walton and ac-130 effects and cool military gear

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>>85190833
forgot pic

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lel

isnt the hd version supposed to come out this year?

>>85191165
shit really? nice excuse for a rewatch.

>>85191165
Yea. Theres a bunch of back and forth about the 16x9 transfer. Shawn Ryan has been quoted as saying he intentionally shot it in 4x3 and that the original grainy look is his vision.

>>85186512
4 was great
Antwon Mitchell was a great villain

>>85164588
Based Dutch!