what is his writing policy?

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Brother, can I have your books? I really need to read.

Don't.

He's trying to outwit a reader hivemind of millions which already conceived every ending the series could have

>>85131720
came here to say this

write erotica with swords and put a few scenes normies could call "political intrigue" between the diarrhea scene and the skull fucking scene

Dissecting societies - particularly taxes and how they work in said societies.

>>85130782
>realism
>dragons
>feminism

Not necessarily in that order.

Why does he have so many quibbles with Tolkien?

>>85132157
Inferiority complex. And for a damn good reason.

>>85132157
He doesn't, it's a meme. He loves Tolkien and consistently praises him.

>>85131769
Maybe he shouldn't have been a hack who signposted his cliche ending from the very first book.

>>85132157
because he doesn't understand Tolkien at all

he is always whining about things that are compeltely irrelevant to what Tolkien was trying to create

The more I drank the more I wrote

>>85130782
one word a day is all a writing master needs to fulfill his life.

>>85130782
>Writing policy
That he should start.

>>85131676
I liked oatsposting. It was short lived tho

>Is there something I can eat?
>Is there a football game on?
There will be no writing for the day if conditions one or two are met.

>>85132599
"the"

>dear journal: more progress on the book today!

His writing is pure shit.

>>85131819
Pretty much this, he just writes his pervy fantasies and puts in a bunch of swordfighting copied purely out of the war of the roses and then puts in political intrigue out of Dune.

>>85130782
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>>85132794
you forgot to sneak in a few quibbles about tax policy in there

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>>85130782
>think of book series
>write a manuscript for a kickass trilogy
>lifeswork.gif
>send it to publisher with some nudes
>publisher greenlights
>write one book
>shit sells like lemoncakes
>publishers says need more than three books
>need way to make the series longer hmm...
>expand the story as much as possible
>not enough
>write three books which has all the good parts of the original story
>for fourth and fifth books introduce a million new characters that don;t matter and suck
>sell the series to JewBO
>make millions off tv
>don't have to worry about the last two books

>>85133498
He's fucking set, I wonder if that's why he takes so long nowadays cause he doesn't need to rush. I just hope the rest gives him enough life to finish the series.

No taxes is good taxes thats my motto

>>85134042
t.Shlomo

>>85131819
>skull fucking scene
Is that Theon and the ship girl? That didn't seem like skull fucking, just forced her to swallow it. I've done that and I feel like skull fucking would have been less well received

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPLTNuhfxA
2:00 >

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>>85132573

underrated

>>85130782
Let D&D do it for you

My dad works at GRRM, he's not even started on the last two books and he's banking on the show to distract people long enough so he can disappear and get lap band surgery to try and bang cute girls in Venezuela.

The "excerpts" he shares are just fluffed up spitball sessions with him and D&D

>>85134612
Works at GRRM? Has he got that fat now?

>>85132511
What? You're telling me you're not curious in the slightest about Aragorn's tax policy?
How could that be?

>>85134749
Yes. My father is planning on sending me to college with the rag on a stick money. George pays very well for my father's silence on his lifestyle.

he's too fat to give a ahit

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Silmarillion HBO series coming soon guys :^)

>>85132573
But the more he wrote, the more he shat.
Soon, he was squatting at his writing desk, shitting brown water.

weiners, gay weiners, soft floppy straight weiners

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>>85135188
>morgoth brutally rapes luthien
>sauron as a slutty twink
>graphic incest scenes between turin/ nienor and finwe/feanor just for kicks
Can't wait

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>>85133498
>With his millions eat nothing but doritos and pizza while watching interracial cuck porn, because fuck working.
>Die of a heart attack while taking a shit.
>Be found 2 days later by your maid.

A fitting ending. Bravo GRRM.

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>>85136941
What a fuccboi.

Set up several factions who battle each other in a medieval setting. Each faction has a special background and culture. Devise a grand scheme that the story will follow and fill the inbetweens with Schlock, Gore and Family nonsense.
Drag it out like Dragonball Z so you can milk the reader of all his money.
Rinse and repeat. He did it with his other works too. Always the same schema.

>>85131819
HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD

>>85130782
Two fingers, and two minutes a day.

not trolling, but am i the only one who thinks that he fucked up with the no 5 years gap?

>>85130782
ITT kids who have never made a thing of any significance or dont even aspire to do

>>85134977
>>85132511

That wasnt meant to be critique of Tolkien, that is the twist he made in his own fantasy. That was the point of his "ruling is hard" argument.

I dont know if you are trolling anymore.

>>85139951
>That wasnt meant to be critique of Tolkien

What the fuck are you talking about? It was an EXPLICIT critique of Tolkien.

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>>85130782
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

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“Wiener Wiener Wiener”

>>85140053
I read all conversation. Did you? Its just your wishful thinking.

>>85135188
Get Alan Lee and make an animated series
It's the only way a Silmarillion adaptation could work, really

>>85140965
You might've read it but you clearly didn't understand it, even though it was clear as day.

>>85134031
Fuck him. He fucked his series over on the 4th book and since everyone will know the ending in 1-2 years, it hardly matters anymore.

Why do not his publisher just threaten to drop him if he doesn't finish the book by a deadline?

>>85130782
He doesn't write. He just transcibes for his turtles. It's taking so long because they keep dying of boredom.

>>85141161

>he doesn't like Dorne chapters
>he doesn't like Victarion chapters
>he doesn't like Polly
>he doesn't like Brown Ben Plumm

It's like you're trying to be a pleb.

Write three pretty good books in a span 4 years, then get old enough to when internet porn gets prevalent and then release a novel every 5-6 years.

>>85138995
>CTRLF CUNT
LITERALLY CAME HERE TO POST EXACTLY THIS

>>85141281
>he likes 1/4 of the book and justifies it as acceptable
Who's the pleb here, reddit?

Can't he just hire a ghost writer at this point to get the fans off his back and be done with it?

>>85141168
You can't seriously be this stupid. If his current publisher threatened him with even the slighest inconvenience, there'd be a million others prepared to literally lick the sweat from his ballsack to get him signed.

>>85132764
DuneLite morelike.

Shit, I first read the Dune series in the '80s and I still can't tell you what the fuck 'Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantile' means (what it literally means, not what it was all about).

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>>85130782
Writing is hard. This was maybe my answer to Stephen King, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Dark Tower had a very behavioral philosophy: that if the writer was a hard worker, the series would be finished. We look at real writers and it’s not that simple. King can say that he became motivated and wrote for a hundred days, and he was persistent and consistent. But King doesn’t ask the question: What was his conventions policy? Did he maintain a standing blog? What did he do in times of hunger and constipation? And what about all these plotlines? By the end of the series, the main plot is finished but all of the subplots aren’t gone – they’re in the details. Did King pursue a policy of systematic conclusion and resolve them? Even the little baby plotlines, with their baby plotholes?

he isnt an artist, he is a fat lazy hack who spent decades improving his questionable talent writing pulpy trash sci fi. Now that he has made it big he can ride on the wave of money and fame while never being exposed for the worthless fat piece of shit he really is by releasing a new book that will never be good because of its inevitably collapsing at the hands of bloated story, endless foreshadowings that will go nowhere, and dozens of useless character.

when he dies of fat in a few years the pop culture phenomenon will die like avatar, not remembered or praised. His legacy will consist of three exciting and tightly plotted books, two meandering wastes of time and a whole boat load of wasted potential and disappointment.

>>85130782
>what is his writing policy?
Now? He has none. He just collects those fat TV show checks.

I doubt he's even started that sixth book yet.

My father was an old school nerd at Texas A&M and actually met martin, he described him as a quiet and intelligent man. But full of energy and passion for his work. I wonder what happened.

>>85139820
George sure as fuck doesn't aspire to finish

>>85139951
It's a bit pointless now that every scene in the north Jon is going on about how politics won't matter when the shit hits the fan. LOTR is set in a time when the shit has well and truly hit the fan.

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>>85130782
>waaaaaaaaah LOTR is better, shut up

Why does GRRM trigger Tolkien cucks so much? You make multiple threads about him every day. At first it was annoying, but now I'm starting to get a kick out of it.

>>85141818
Because he called LotR shit and his work is supposedly better because muh tax policy.

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>>85132511
Dude, it's not Tolkien who inspired him. /got/ has nothing in common with that disneyland shit. That's an easy answer to throw off the scent

This is what grrm knocked off, it's what really ground his walnuts. It's the game of thrones blueprint, it's all there. Martin is Sam Tarley and this movie is the book the meisters keep locked away.. and that nigga swiped it

>>85141865
He never called LOTR shit, he called it different. I don't know if you know this, but he has praised Tolkien numerous times and never really said a bad word about him. The "tax policy" quote, as funny as it is, is taken completely out of context as George meant to say that his style is different than Tolkien's and that both books shouldn't be compared. That's it.

>>85142025
Bullshit. He implied his work is better which actually may have been the case if he hadn't sold out to publishers and TV jews.

>>85141421
>I still can't tell you what the fuck 'Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles' means
You know, this is the first time I ever see what exactly the acronym CHOAM stands for, I don't think they ever used the full name in the Italian version. I understand your confusion

>>85142084
Martin isn't even in the same league, should we post some of his better passages?

>>85142084
"Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys."

GRRM's main problem is that a lot of fantasy writers just went to copy Tolkien rather than establish a story of their own. His problem isn't with Tolkien himself. Furthermore, is it really that bad that both of them have different tastes? Tolkien himself wouldn't have liked ASOIAF mainly because it would have reminded him of the real world too much. George prefers realism ratehr than fantasy. They are both different and their books are vastly different.

>>85142162
I don't think anyone can equal Tolkien in writing ability, however that certainly doesn't mean his books are better.

>>85131720
100% this

>>85142346
>i don't think anyone can equal tolkien in writing ability
come on dude

i've seen gurm's house in santa fe and it's in a shit run down part of town. he's a weirdo.

>>85132157
He doesn't. He said 1 thing and /tv/ nerds flipped their shit

>>85132302
Literally named the series A Song of Ice and Fire

>>85141999

No, Martin has already said his main inspiration was historical fiction of the War of the Roses era.

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>>85142162
>and morgoth came
Fuck me, everyone going on about Feanor being the greatest of the Eldar, but Fingolfin was the real mvp here

>>85142563
Watch the movie

>>85142385
Where is your argument here?

>>85141818
because american writers are terrible, but american fantasy is pure garbage. there is nothing more triggering than a draft dodger criticizing a somme veteran for portraying war inaccurately. a walking fart from new jersey has no connection to history, no experience living in a place with culture to draw from and portray a good setting.

the perverse and degenerate subversion of "totally not medieval europe you guys" directly marketed to the emerging nu-male and """female geek""" population creates a false understanding of history for normies and sets back fantasy to another genre fiction category with simply written prose without any depth.
the author actually encourages the insufferable fandom and constant fanfaction, that combined with a popular tv show makes the entire fanbase a toxic wasteland.

got is a ripoff of lotr with political trash plotlines and incest. the war of the roses theme has about as much depth as a faction war in an online videogame.
it's for nu-males, redditors, marxists, and atheists. sometimes I wonder if they hate forcing themselves to like the setting, but their desire for subverting traditional fantasy is stronger.

>>85142390
Old people are set in their ways. That's why he only types with one hand on an old computer even if it's a retarded thing to do.

The greater question in all this is why the publisher doesn't get someone to basically type it out for him, he must have outlines and all that done. GRRM might refuse it, but I also have to think that he clearly can't care about his works too much to let this happen. They should just get someone to do the nitty gritty work of typing everything out and fleshing out his pre-existing outlines. It wouldn't be too hard either, since a lot of the "flesh" of his writing is just sex scenes and pornographic food descriptions anyway.

>>85142743
>because american writers are terrible, but american fantasy is pure garbage. there is nothing more triggering than a draft dodger criticizing a somme veteran for portraying war inaccurately. a walking fart from new jersey has no connection to history, no experience living in a place with culture to draw from and portray a good setting.

Sorry, but ASOIAF is a way better representation of a Medieval setting than LOTR is. Not to mention the characters feel way more real and complex, they are not cardboard cutouts.

>the perverse and degenerate subversion of "totally not medieval europe you guys" directly marketed to the emerging nu-male and """female geek"""

What the hell are you saying? Have you even read the books? The books are not marketed towards nu-males or feminists at all, it's the actual opposite. The show is an entirely different thing, it's run by jews.

>got is a ripoff of lotr with political trash plotlines and incest. the war of the roses theme has about as much depth as a faction war in an online videogame.
it's for nu-males, redditors, marxists, and atheists. sometimes I wonder if they hate forcing themselves to like the setting, but their desire for subverting traditional fantasy is stronger.

No, ASOIAF is entirely different from LOTR. Furthermore, it's the literal antithesis of marxism and "nu-males" as it portrays the medieval world in the most gritty and realistic way imaginable. Are you implying that the medieval ages were marxist? Like it or not, the books portray life as it was pretty accurately. There are no STRONK women (aside from Brienne, most of them are completely incompetent, nu-males like Samwell Tarly are completely BTFO all the time, and good for nothing retards get killed regularly.

GRRMs writing policy is that he pretends his story is any different than other fantasy stories, yet it shall end with the savior fighting the immortal ice demons from another dimension lmao

what a fucking hack

>>85143037

LOTR isn't a medieval society. It's a high fantasy setting where magic is a very real thing. It's not supposed to mimic real life completely you retard.

>>85143096
>What is Gondor, what is Rohan, what is Mordor, what is MIddle Earth

I'm pretty sure LOTR is portraying medieval life as well, you absolute moron. Might want to go read back both LOTR and ASOIAF because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

>>85143225
>LOTR is portraying medieval life as well
No it isn't.


Portraying medieval life is what ASOIAF claims to do. That is until people point out it's just a mess of Victorian era cliches that have nothing to do with actual medieval reality, at which point people usually fall back to the excuse of "dude it has dragons of course it's not realistic!"

>>85130782
>write some books
>get rich
>stop writing books partway through a series
>"fuck it, I'm rich, that was the entire point of writing in the first place"
Writing was his job, not his 'calling'. He doesn't have to do it any more so he doesn't.

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>>85143363
>No it isn't.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, are you playing retarded or are you just that retarded?

>>85143510
What part is depicting medieval society?

most people seem to think that he doesnt give a shit

my theory is that the fat in his brain made him stupid and thus he seriously believed he'd be able to finish the series before HBO catches up

don't know which version is more sad

>>85137184
i want to punch this bitch in her fat face

>>85143631

he's easily into the brain degeneration part of his life and he's not healthy enough to be one of those guys that's sharp into their 80's. maybe some robot will finish the books from analyzing his writings someday but he's never doing shit himself.

>>85132157
Because Tolkien's writing isn't interesting. It's fun, but it's not nuanced or ambiguous about anything.

>>85143568
Every part besides the fantasy shit? You have kingdoms, peasants, kings, medieval technology, armies fighting the same way medieval ones did, castles............ etc. ASOIAF has magic too, does that make it non-medieval?

>>85143631
Nah, he doesn't have any motivation because he is bored of it. And now that he has all the money in the world he doesn't even have an incentive to finish the books besides the massive outrage that he will cause if he decides to stop, and the fact that he will damage his legacy with such a move.

The guy just wants to live his life doing what he find fun, not writing books about a topic that he probably got bored out of years ago. He is just forcing himself now.

The sun is perched in its midday resting spot high above George RR Martin's mansion and his eyelids slowly crack to take in its light through his partially drawn curtains. He rises, hands stretching up above him while his face contorts and twists, letting out a deep, tired breath as his feet find their slippers.
His robe hangs loose as he walks down his stairs, birds chirping outside his walls, likely perched in his favorite white alder. In his kitchen he pours himself a glass of orange juice as his bread becomes toast, sipping and adjusting his glasses. Soon his day's first meal is done and the room smells inviting and warm. It's buttered and on a plate and now in his hands as he leaves his kitchen.
The door at the end of the hall is closed and intimidating to guests. There's nothing inherently dangerous about it, but it is what is hiding behind that sends primal fear up lesser men's spines. They know that room is worth millions before they ever even see it. To George, it's just his writing room.
Inside is a folded and off laptop. George sits at the desk, the sounds of a machine coming to life accompanies the crunch of his toast, bite after bite. After it's on, he launches WordStar 4.0 and hums to himself, feeling ready to take on the task of finishing one of humanity's biggest series. A glorious saga he barely even remembers starting that has given him everything he has, and he is forever grateful.
With the program launched and The Winds of Winter open, it is now time to begin. He finds the last sentence in the document and cracks his knuckles, twiddles his fingers, and soon they're resting on hard plastic keys.
"F" he types. The laptop is then shut and he decides to spend the rest of today in the pool.

>>85132302
Or maybe good storytelling shouldn't be about le ebin shocking twists

>>85143037
Wrong, LOTR is "dark ages" and early medieval, feudalism is only prevalent in a single local lord like in Anglo-Saxon England, and otherwise in Gondor with non-royal nobility.
GOT is boring post-1500's peak renaissance feudal autism. There are 10 times as many characters are there needs to be, and none of them are good.

Again, it's not the middle ages, it's renaissance York and Tudor wankery. It's a pessimistic portrayal of life that's supposed to make simpletons like you go "look how real and gritty this story is, it must be accurate because I keep getting told so by the marketing".

This phenomenon of modern fantasy's obsession with dungeons & dragons tier micro-details and endless explanation of fantastical concepts needs to end. It's a facade of realism.

>>85144276
MEDIEVAL FANTASY, you fucking cunt. Stop trying to sneeze your way out of this. "but muh feudalism, muh dark ages, muh renassaince". It's medieval, through and through.

>There are 10 times as many characters are there needs to be, and none of them are good.
You're projecting hard here. What do you think of Aragorn as a character?

>Again, it's not the middle ages, it's renaissance York and Tudor wankery. It's a pessimistic portrayal of life that's supposed to make simpletons like you go "look how real and gritty this story is, it must be accurate because I keep getting told so by the marketing".
What renaissance are you talking about? And there is a big difference between "pessimistic" and "realistic". What's so pessimistic about ASOIAF? Because even the good characters die? Well, hello, have you been living under a cave your entire life?

>>85143932
>castles
Name a castle in Lord of the Rings.

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>>85144452
>rips off war of the roses in its entirety, along with every cliche and misrepresentation
>hurr there are dragons in the story idiot, of course it's an original idea
>supposed to be a realistic portrayal of feudal political intrigue
>somehow not war of the roses and tudor era, famous for being absolutely full of political garbage
>instead it's """medieval""" aka when england was anglo-saxon and vikings were still raiding coasts while armies were armoured in chainmail, spears and shields

>>85143932
>Black hawk down is representing Western society

>>85142743
>because american writers are terrible, but american fantasy is pure garbage.
Robert E. Howard and Gene Wolfe are good.

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>>85142743

rly most of everything i've read is by americans, with the exception of tolkien and that harry potter bitch.

>>85143363
Must have missed the part in my medieval studies with all the dragons and the giant irregular wobbly planet or the fucking ice zombies.

>>85143932
>kingdoms, peasants, kings,
kek, that shit has existed from ancient egypt and mesopotamia to modern day

>medieval technology,
like french trebuchets, knights in plate armor, greatswords, and crossbows?

>armies fighting the same way medieval ones did
you mean the same way from the roman empire to the 18th century?

>castles
the disney palaces you call castles aren't the fortresses and keeps of the middle ages

>>85144245
it literally isnt tho thats just the show

>>85145439
I know I love the books. I don't think he's trying to find ways to whamboozle the readers. I think he's mostly just a lazy piece of shit that's been farting on the same story forever and has a hard time editing it or being satisfied etc. Like yeah the books do have subversive twists but the idea that he's trying to get around RLJ or the inevitable Jon and Dany team up etc.

>gandalf should have stayed dead
>proceeds to bring back jon, cat, and dondarrion (multiple times too)
at least gandalf is a fucking maia, you hack

>>85142672
I think he's just saying there were/are many better writers out there. And while i do love Tolkien, he doesn't hold a candle to anyone like, say, Joyce, or McCarthy, or Pynchon.

Within the realm of fantasy is a different story, but I'd still say he's roundly outwritten by Mervyn Peake, Bradbury (when he dipped into the genre), Gene Wolfe and - if you count it - Frank Herbert.

>>85145600
Killing and bringing back a demigod is a little different, but it's pretty close with Jon.

>>85141527
Underated kek

>>85142635
Feanor
>mightiest in valour, endurance, beauty, understanding, skill, strength and subtlety alike of all the children of iluvatar, and a bright flame is in him
>crafts three gems so goddamn beautiful everyone, including the gods, goes crazy with envy and try to steal them from him
>crafts the palantiri
>invents the tengwar writing system
>slams the door on what is basically tolkien version of satan after shooing him away like a dog
>sticks his finger to the valar
>utterly destroys those treacherous teleri cunts, steal their ugly ships and burn them once he crosses
>soloes 8 balrogs at once, one being
gothmog, lord of them all
>combusts from pure rage when they eventually manage to subdue him
>still regrets nothing
Fingolfin
>kind of a dick
>challenges satan to a duel after riding across anfauglith with such wrath people mistake him for a vala
>morgoth really doesn't want to but he has to accept
>stabs satan's foot thrice and makes sure he never walks right again
>get crushed heroically under morgoth's hammer
Finarfin
>...
Cool children though, except for Galadriel who's a huge bitch

>>85146824
>gothmog, lord of them all*

>>85146117
why, has it been confirmed that he's azor ahai?

>>85147092
A SONG OF AZOR AHAI

>>85146824
t.feanor
get off the pc dude, there's other people in the halls waiting to use it

>>85132573
Literally the best post

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>>85134385
>tfw architect

>>85133498
He really fucked up when he decided to ditch the age gap between Storm of Swords and the next planned book.

He originally had it set up so the next book took place around 5 years later so the Stark kids could be all aged up to be more relevant.

Then he hit a few snags with certain storylines and thought it was too difficult to make the age gap make sense, so he rewrote the entire next book to become a Feast for Crows and Dance of Dragons.

Those books in themselves are bad planning because they take place at the same time but with different characters.

GRRM desperately needed an editor who said that shit needed to be cut the fuck out.

>>85140103
To be fair most of these lines are meant to convey what the character is thinking, but that arousal line is fucking retarded. I'm surprised no one caught that in editing unless they thought it would be funny to leave it in

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>>85141527

>>85145888
reddit opinions

>>85133151

You know, I don't think he ever outlined Westeros' tax policy, let alone analyze the differences between the Targaryen and Baratheon administrations' respective tax policies.

>>85140093
This is so poetic though

>>85131819
>>85132764
Even "political intrigue" is a stretch. It's basically a cycle of betrayal and revenge which some characters are just immune to (Dany, Jon Snow) because plot armor.

>>85142645
It has a midget and everything.

>>85147989
You bitch! Herbert's Dune series is above and beyond greater than Tolkien's bullshit! Apologize you subhuman shit bag!

>>85148220
>tfw love them both dearly and would never be able to choose between the two
How are his son's books, by the way?
I just can't bring myself to read them

>>85148325
They are um. Mother always said that the apple doesn't fall too far from a tree unless of course you're on a precipice. I wont say anymore for fear Chris may be in the audience reading this. Sorry Chris, Saga of the seven suns was a better read even though that was as forgettable as your prequels were. The sequels were sacrilege.

>>85142563

It was mainly this book and the French politics of that era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Accursed_Kings

He probably overplayed the War of the Roses stuff because he didn't want to give credit and the anglophone readers don't know of those books.

>>85148449
Well, looks like I'll keep on not touching them, then. Thank you anon, you probably spared me a huge disappointment

>>85148685
>>85148685
Poor Chris.

>>85148781
They're not all the same sizes at action stations.

Martin actually writes a shitload still

Just not ASOIAF because dragons and swords are boring as shit lol

>>85144137
This!!

>>85148849
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

>>85148220
wrong

all genre fiction is trash desu

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>Read first three books, enjoy them

>Read Feast and Dance
>small pink mast
>cos
>Words are Wind
>The more I drank

>>85149996
>and Moon Boy for all I know
>mummer's farce
>where do whores go?

>>85149996
Splitting the cast like he did in the 4th book was a major red flag. Fat fuck got lazy.

>>85149996
First three books were great. Fourth and fifth were complete dogshit

>>85150138

The writing is still good. Jaime in Feast and Theon in Dance are some of the best writing in the series.

But man does the structuring suck. Severely bloated. Either his editor sucks or George just disregards everything she says. (I'm going with the latter).

>>85150255
kek

He writes after he's done eating.

>>85132157

> "I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."

>>85150380
he would've been done years ago if this was true

>>85144917
Helm's deep

>>85131676
kino meme

>>85150529
Anon, he NEVER stops eating!

>>85134315

sauce?

>>85147905

I just think that by the point you write so many fucking words you start giving less and less shits about individual parts. Editing also gets fed up with your shit at a certain threshold, just scrolls faster and when it sees a pile of shit it just goes 'you know what.. YOU KNOW WHAT.. this is staying in'

>>85131676
really miss this meme

>>85150444
Holy shit. Gurm absolutely, unequivocally BTFO from beyond the grave.
How can he ever recover?

>>85150745
It wasn't a PILE of shit, it was a river! Diarrhea isn't solid!

Is that excerpt that says something like "Sunrise saw her shitting on the grass" real? Why the fuck would he put that in his book?

>>85150841
Dedication to realism and grittiness, brainlet.

>>85150841
serious authors put bodily functions in their novels all the time
I don't know why that passage in particular seems to trigger so many autists around here

>>85130782

all the idiot had to do was put out 3 books in 10 fucking years and he would have put up harry potter type numbers. now everybody is going to know the ending from the show and they won't fucking care when book 7 comes out 10 years from now (although let's be honest that's never going to happen).

>>85150894
>>85150902
Because it was so abruptly crude. He literally used the word "shitting." Just seemed out of place from what I remember.

>>85150841
It's real.
>Why the fuck would he put that in his book?
Because the character shitting has been sitting pretty for fucking ages while she causes massive amounts of human suffering. The passage is to demonstrate how thoroughly the tables have turned.

>>85150745
I just want to know, how can you write so much with so little substance?
Tolkien wrote a trilogy of 6 books, the Hobbit, and didn't even finish the Silmarillion. Yet they offer entire courses of study on his work, he created entire complete languages and thousands of years of history and full genealogies for all his characters.

This guys shits out multiple phonebook-thick books and we still don't know what was his tax policy?

>>85150992
>Because the character shitting has been sitting pretty for fucking ages while she causes massive amounts of human suffering
This. It was a direct parallel to the bloody flux as well.

>>85150841
>tfw to inteligent to not include detailed accounts of characters shitting violently into drinking sources

>>85150944
Yeah that's fair, if you find the actual diction jarring that's one thing, but I'd wager most of the people single out that scene for the subject-matter rather than wording.

>>85131720
spbp

>>85151166
It's simply tasteless in the way it was written, that's my problem with it.

>>85150138
The last half of Dance was fine, he did some of his best writing for the Theon and Barristan chapters.

It is true though that he really, badly, needs/needed an editor though.

>>85151297
when a writer reaches a certain level of fame like GRRM his publishers and editors are too afraid to put any pressure on them, (then they usually turn to shit)

>>85142635
Feanor was a proud asshole who got his whole family cursed because "Muh silmarils".

Fucker didn't even want to give up his fucking gems to restore the trees of Valinor.

Fuck him.

>>85130782
One word for every 10,000 calories consumed.

>>85151554
We need to get him into powerlifting, then the books will be finished in a few days.

>>85151554
If that were the case he would have finished years ago.

>>85146824
How the fuck are the teleri traitors? He was a murdering bastard who killed his own kin to steal their fucking boats because he pissed off everybody at valinor.

>>85132157
Tolkien: WWI Veteran/Oxford Professor
Gurm:fat fuck that wrote some twilight zone episodes
he's embarassed

>>85147761

The time skip was abandoned before the first book was published. Otherwise the storyline north of the wall doesn't make sense.

What, wildlings are fleeing, zombies attack castle black, but then nothing happens for 5 whole years? And we just pick back up with an older jon and bran?

I understand that dany's business in Essos feels pointless and drawn out, almost as if he was stalling while things developed elsewhere, but I'm not sure a timeskip is actually feasible

>>85151554
>>85151663
WAIT
It's one word per 10,000 calories IN LEMONCAKES!

>>85148220
Objectively wrong

>>85134042
Morning your lordship

>>85132670
Short lived because it was a tumblr meme and required high levels of autism that cuckposters possess to maintain it.

>>85151511
>>85151720
>being this brainwashed by valar propaganda
How would you like being the first orphan elf ever? If there was ever something the poor guy loved more than his pretty, pretty gems was his father, and Melkor murdered him in cold blood and then stole the only things he had left in the world. He wanted revenge, rightly so, and went after Melkor himself, like the Valar, those complete pussies, should have done long before that, and the Teleri couldn't even lend him some ships to help him in his just cause.
Feanor was clearly too far gone by then, and the kinslaying is indeed proof of that, but can you truly place on him all the blame? I say the Valar had quite a big role in the Noldor's ruin. They had failed to deal with Feanor before, when Melkor had toyed with his mind and turned him against his brother and the Valar themselves. When they found out about Melkor tricks they still chose to banish Feanor and let the Vala go unpunished, thus strengthening Feanor's justified distrust of them.
As for the Silmarils, the Valar would force him to give up his most prized possessions, his perfect creations, because as always they had been too cowardly to face Melkor before he could destroy the trees in the first place? They couldn't even be sure it would have worked, and Feanor would have wasted something so perfect that he would never be able to recreate again.
Why did Galadriel refuse to give him a lock of her hair, mmm?
It could have worked just as well.
Feanor was one of the many victims of the Valar incompetence and, to some extent, even cruelty, as Mandos' curse testifies.
#StopValarPropaganda2k17

>>85152708
this shit seems really interesting, is this in the silmarillion or in the other books?
i really want to get into tolkien lore, but i have no idea where to start

>>85153101
0. old english "elementary level" primer
1. the hobbit
2. beowulf
3. LOTR trilogy
4. ROTK appendices
5. the silmarillion
6. unfinished tales, children of hurin, etc.
after that I recommend getting a more advanced understand of old english and learning sindarin and quenya theoretically.
stories not about the fellowship, bilbo, or the dwarves, not in the 3rd age, or historical accounts are generally from the silmarillion or unfinished tales. the stories of the valar, feanor, melkor, and ungoliant are the core story of the silmarillion.

>>85144452

It's not medieval though, medieval age doesn't look like braveheart you stupid idiot, that's a fucking trope

>>85153398
that helped a lot anon, thanks

>>85150255

fucking gold

>>85150894

That's so stupid though, there are far better examples of realism and grittiness in literature without making it sound like a ironical 4chan post

>>85153660
It's literally literary shitposting

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What did he mean by this?

>>85151297
Feast and Dance have enough good parts that they would make a high quality level book if you just made them into one, but instead we get too much filler bullshit to satisfy GRRM's day-in-the-life-of-X insanity fits.

>>85153799
But gandalf did died

>>85153799
tolkien spent 20 years writing his books alone, he probably though tolkien didn't know well enough to explore all the branches and choose the best story.
also he meant that he is completely ignorant of the lore. gandalf dying would not only go against the whole point of his relationship with the valar and eru, but he is such a central figure in the story it wouldn't be the same.

>>85153799

His return was well handled though, he wasn't exactly the same character

>>85151297
>The last half of Dance was fine
I remember that moment in Dance, when we finally got over Feast events, and westeros chapters started to appear again.
I was like
>OH SHIT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN TIME AGAIN

>>85154170
this.
cut the fuck out this whole story about that Dorne prince who got toasted by the dragon, for starters. what the fuck was that.

also, fuck all that travelling, they did that OFFSCREEN in first 3 books.

>>85153799
It means he's fucking retarded and obsessed with subverting traditional fantasy.

>>85152708
I don't think her hair would have worked the same as the silmarils.

And the Valar wouldn't have forced feanor to give up his jewels,HE acted all high and mighty "Hurr durr if you force me to give the thing that could revive the trees you are just as bad as literally Satan"

Now what you say IS true,the Valar were incompetent in dealing with Melkor but they were afraid of the damage it would cause to Ëa as a whole if they were to fight again so they were just afraid for the thing they loved the most,Ëa and it's people.

And it wasn't even a full banish,motherfucker returned during the party that Melkor and Ungoliant crashed.

Remember,this is a guy that murdered his own cousins to steal the most beautiful ships in the world and then set fire to the ships as a fuck you to everybody who disagreed with him

Feanor,although a victim of his enviroment,is still a fucking cunt.

>>85153799
>what is jon snow

50 words a day, 5 days a week

>>85154536
Quentyn is still alive, Preston said so!

>>85153799
>Gandalf should stay dead
>Let me ress Jon real quick tho,I like that guy.
>Oh yeah,and Rhaegar's son is alive as well (though this one may be a fake one)

>>85150547
Definitely not a castle.

>>85154613
Wait really? The guy was bbq'd by vyserion or rhaegal

>>85154638
Rhaegar's son wasn't rezed, though. The official story is a baby swap. Young Griff is definitely the mummer's dragon, though.
>>85154730
It's a stupid fan theory.

>>85154538
Yet his story reads like R-rated D&D handbook schlock.
Really makes you think.

>>85154725
the fuck is it then?

>>85154749
Oh wow,I had a brainfart and for a moment I thought Preston was that guy that helped GRRM with A World of Ice and Fire

>>85154804
Are you mentally deficient? Do you think that any fortification, which have literally existed from pre-history to the modern day, is a "castle"?

Last post you get reddit shitposter. Words have meanings. Helm's Deep is in no way a castle.

>>85154804
Helm's Deep was a valley in the north White Mountains.
The """castle""" was a keep called the Hornburg, in the Helm's Deep, at the entrance of the Glittering Caves.
Not only did you not read the book, you probably didn't even watch the movie. Just clips on youtube huh?

>>85130782
Release a book every decade while shoving in ripoffs of historical figures and events, really awful porn and food. But mostly food

>>85155013
>>85154928
autism

>>85155018
Wtf is a 'trencher' anyway?

>>85155094
not an argument, reddit

>>85148071
>Jon Snow
>immune to betrayal
do you know how to read friendo

>>85155361
you can parrot a YouTube cult leader
good for you

>>85141527
Best post in the thread

>>85155496
>redditor gets factually BTFO
>has no arugment and resorts to namecalling
many such cases

>>85155834
There was no name calling. He literally is a cult leader. Do your research m80.

>>85156070
That's irrelevant. The point is you can't differentiate between a castle and any other type of fortress yet give opinions on what constitutes medieval fantasy.