What will happen to Mickey Mouse when he becomes public domain

>>85024120

He won't. Congress will continue giving Disney an exemption.

>>85024120
Who cares? I hope copyright is made permanent. Pirates have ruined everything anyway. The law should bear down.

Wait, how this law works, something can stop being your property after some time in US?

>>85024120
>Disney ever giving up one of its biggest assets for free
He won't become public domain until the moment they can't make a dime out of the Mouse anymore, so not in the next decades

>>85024120
I mean why the fuck would this enter public domain. They still actively use it and market it on TV, merchandise etc. He's the fucking mascot for their entire business.

>yeah sorry about that little mouse you have been actively using since you made it, it has been xxxx amount of years you must now let 3rd worlders profit off it

bob iger is trumps boy

>>85024461
I'm sure Walt has other things to worry about.

>>85024461
Yes.
Unless you have loads of money and can use lobbyists to buy Congress.

Which is what Disney will do.
Sad, stifles growth an change....

>>85024461
Regarding Intellectual Property, something becomes in the public domain after X years, so I won't have to pay money (royalties)to the creator of the intellectual property ( in this case Disney) whenever I want to make use of said Intellectual Property (Mickey Mouse, so for instance selling jars with Mickey on them)

>>85024461
Basically the idea is that if you've been dead for a really fucking long time then it's no longer possible for you as an individual to profit off the idea and use that profit to create further successful ideas, and thus it's better for society as a whole if it falls into the possession of the general public (for example all those works of literature such as Shakespare or Dickens which are freely and readily available)

>>85024120
They'll get the term extended, even though nobody gives a shit about Mickey Mouse as a character anymore.

>>85024120
It should have been public domain decades ago, Disney are the ones who keep getting the duration of copyright extended.

but arent trademarks renewable forever?

its not strictly a question of copyright

>>85024461
AFAIK, things like songs become public domain 70 or 80 years after the last person who had a part in its creation dies

>>85024688
This is different. Disney is still a company that uses the mouse on everything. Shakespeare has been dead for years and his shit would be irrelevant if it wasn't public domain.

>>85024688
Fuck communism

I don't know what's worse. /tv/ discussing legal matters or /v/ discussing finance/economics

>>85024120
In six years? How long does Disney wait to make their move in these cases? 6 years seems a little short to change these laws.

disney built its success on public domain, it's only fair for others to use the mickeyverse :)

>>85024853
fuck off back to your game of thrones or doctor who containment boards fucking faggot

>>85024783
It was really stupid of him not to start The Shakespeare Corporation and have the rights for all time because companies are like Gods to Americans.

>>85024120
Fuck you lifted this straight from reddit.

>>85024853
But I read an infographic that said public domain is a communist thing.

>>85024120
Disney could trademark his design. Wouldn't be too hard.

They would just have to show that they regularly use Mickey mouse in the running of their business

>>85024523
I thought these laws only apply to the films/shorts and not the character itself.

Like how Superman Fleischer shorts are public domain but Superman himself isn't.

>>85024853
>people who consume media must be brainlets with no careers
sorry your cunny threads are being removed

Another reason why it will be extended is that royalty payments are a phenomenal way to dodge taxation. Let's say Disney Holding ownts the IP on Mickey and Disney Japan wants to sell Mickey dolls, Disney Japan has to pay Disney holding a sum in royalties. The trick is determining the proper price of the roaylties, because we are dealing with an intercompany transaction so the free market isn't here to determine its price. This is the area of Transfer Pricing and literally every big multinational uses this as a tool to hide taxes (what usually happens is that they place the company that owns the IP right in a country without a tax on royalties, the Nethertlands for instance, and they determine a price for the royalties that is so high that the company paying the royalties will barely make a profit on for instance in this scenario selling the dolls. But that doesn't matter as they all are part of one big multinational)

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>>85024789

Fuck off corporate cocksucker

>>85024853
Believe it or not the op is actually a /v/edditor
you can tell by how surface level the post is

Even if Mickey does enter the public domain it really doesn't mean much at this point. Disney will still use him and people will buy their Mickey products because they have the air of originality and authenticity. People already bootleg and steal Disney properties out the ass. This would just be one they could do it with legally now.

>live in Orlando
>our new county property appraiser is a poo-in-the-loo who takes no shit from anyone
>gave disney a tax bill based on the value of their theme parks as reported in their public financial statements
>disney is crying and saying their parks are only worth a few million instead of a few billion
>poo-in-the-loo refuses to budge
>disney now got the governor fighting for them

Fuck Disney.

>>85024955
>I thought these laws only apply to the films/shorts and not the character itself.

This, everybody else in the thread doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. Mickey Mouse is not going to enter public domain, just his first movie (and after a while the next movie and so on).

>>85024120
That's not how it works retard. Walt probably transferred his intellectual ownership over to Disney (the company is a legal entity) before he died. The company itself owns the intellectual property of Mickey Mouse.

This only applies to stuff like music and etc because the only intellectual owner is the person who made it.

>>85025245
It's a symbolic thing. Disney are terrified that they'll somehow lose money if other people can profit on Mickey, so they push through changes to all the copyright laws they can in the hopes of preventing it, it won't effect them but it will effect real media. Imagine what the cultural landscape would look like if nobody except the Estate of Bram Stoker could use vampires, for example.

Nobody cares about their cartoon mouse, but the fact that nothing of significance has entered the public domain in decades is largely as a result of their actions.

>>85024929
>Shakespeare
>American
Decent/10

>>85024461
75 years after the creator if said property has died it will become public domain.

>>85025362

Yeah nobody gives a shit about steamboat mickey film.

But in 20 years time Cinderella and Snow white films are up to public domain.

Significant dvd sales

Will they ever give us a Steamboat Willy reboot?

Lol none of the shit Disney has will ever go into public domain. They're a multi billion dollar company with top legal assets.

>>85025534
>Reading comprehension/10
Do you think Disney is going through British courts?

>>85024120
Disney's reanimated corpse will bribe congress to extend copyright to three centuries

>>85025562
>>85025545
Wait a sec doesn´t that mean that all those Pre-Mickey shorts are already in the public domain as we speak?

>>85025762
nope they're exempted because (((Disney)))

>>85025762
No, Disney was given a 20 year extension

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act

>>85025762
I think they are in some countries, not in the US, though.

>>85025762
>>85025961


And I would argue that Disney should be exempt. The company still stands today and is still working with the character. I don't see how putting Mickey in public domain would benefit general society either. Because people are already creating tons of work using him, Disney is not going after them. They would howe've would not be happy if another company created a movie or tv show using him.

>>85024120
It won't, Disney runs copyright law
Everyone knows this, look up copyright law changes with the history of Mickey Moises copyright

So which other iconic IPs are going public in coming years?

>>85024955
>>85025362
These guys don't know what they're talking about, public domain is public domain, every aspect of them belongs to us all. You can get around this though:

>The use of trademark law to protect works also subject to copyright is nothing new. The first 21 stories about Tarzan, being first published commencing in 1916, are now all in the public domain. Yet, there are no rival stories about Tarzan being currently written by other authors. This is because heirs of Edgar Rice Burroughs, the creator of Tarzan, had the foresight to obtain a trademark on the name “Tarzan.”. Armed with this registration, they have been successful in preventing the distribution of works using the “Tarzan” trademark and variations.

>>85026188

most films from 1920s-1930s

Mickey Mouse is a trademark. Trademarks don't go in the public domain.

>>85026202
That's what I said, Mickey Mouse is trademarked so the character himself will never enter public domain, just the works he's featured in.

Who do you want to direct the first official unofficial Mickey Mouse film when he goes public domain? I'd like to see Zack Snyder's take on the character.

>>85024459
>Who cares?
Clearly you do.

>>85024783
>Shakespeare has been dead for years and his shit would be irrelevant if it wasn't public domain.

What did he mean by this?

>>85026324
He means that he's so american that he thinks a cartoon mouse drawn by a jewish man is more important than the author who shaped the very language he speaks./

>>85026140
>company still stands today

So what? The author is dead. If Disney is exempt then anyone can create a company to hold intellectual property forever and nothing will ever enter the public domain. The whole notion of copyright was a mistake.

>>85024120
>What will happen to Mickey Mouse when he becomes public domain in 2023?

disney will buy the fucking government

United States of Disney, here we come.

>>85024120
if Republishits continue to control congress there's no way

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They'll keep extending it.

>>85026324

Shakespear is popular because his works are taught at school

but if schools had to pay royalties to use his content, they would opt for a free alternative, therefore shakespeare works wouldn't be as popular

>>85024120
Prepare for a new Mickey movie or show.

>>85026014
>Sony Bono act

FUCKING THANKS YOU TWAT

>>85024120
Can't you update a copyright?

Braindead op literally copied the entire paragraph from reddit. You suck.

>>85024120
Who cares?
No really, I know Mickey is symbol of Disney, but lets face it he is not that important today.

>>85024120
people think this will somehow save Mickey, when reality is we'll just get even more horrendous Mickey shit

>>85024120
Why should it become public domain? It's still in use by the company that owns and created it...

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What other brands or characters are going to expire soon? Is there a list somewhere?

>>85029505
>company created it

People created it. Companies can't create, only own.

Government will extend the copyright, spouting some bullshit about not having an American icon be perverted through other businesses.
Possible bullshit about brand damage through outside usages affecting Disney jobs.

>>85029880
If the company's goal is to produce, and it collectively aims the goals and progress of its employees in order to make shareholders happy, hasn't it more than contributed in creating it?

>>85030062
No. Individual artists create, the company only pays for it.

>>85028901
If I remember correctly Sherlock Holmes was one of the last things to enter public domain. Everything else is stuck in the pipe after Mickey.

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>>85029505

fuck off shill.

Disney has taken full advantage of previous expired copyrights without “paying into the system” with its own original characters.

>>85030272
It was made by a guy who created the company though, if he wanted to use his creation to promote his own company and its still going strong then why should they have to forfeit their legitimate claim to its ownership? Also, companies definitely create, thinking only individuals create is taking things too literal. People will make things with the intention of making a company better and not for their own benefit all the fucking time

>>85030654

exactly.

allowing things to go into public domain fuels people to create more.

Copyright stifles creativity and denies us of our heritage from our ancestors.

>disney shilling at full force
>all websites have like 15 paid articles about disney products

>>85030702

>While Disney continues to ardently fight for copyright legislation, more than 50 of its own films -- including blockbusters like Alice in Wonderland, Aladdin, Frozen, and The Lion King -- are based on works in the public domain:

>>85024523
>since you made it
Walt's been dead for years, m8.

>>85030654
Ya, so why should they have to give up their own creations to public domain when they clearly own them. It's clever business not unethical. Besides if they could pay off the creator of Arabian nights they'd have probably just done that instead. Disney will get what I wants and that'd not a bad thing, they're an amazing business and anyone who can't acknowledge that is just a salty cynic who disregards any business aspect of art

>>85030702
Because the guy is dead. The company is his creation, Mickey Mouse is his creation. Why should one of his creations own another forever?

>thinking only individuals create is taking things too literal

It's literal because copyright was founded to protect the content creators, not companies. Generally speaking, the whole notion of owning ideas is bonkers and should be abolished ASAP.

>>85024461
Basically you can use something after OPs death and not pay royalties. Lots of Youtube channels, sitcoms and modern music use music and sounds from as early as the 1940s now

>>85024689
Sure, but if it went to public domain everyone would go back to give a fuck. I mean, if you had the chance wouldn't you fuck around with it?

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DON'T WORRY

ITS ALL PAID FOR

>>85030942
Haven't you heard? Corporations are people in these here United Sates of America. Praise Citizens United!

>>85024120
I don't know why Disney keep wasting millions greasing the wheels to ruin copyright law for generations to come, nobody even cares about Mickey fucking Mouse anymore.

>>85030874
>anyone who can't acknowledge that is a shrewd consumer who wants higher quality for smaller price like any economically savvy individual should

fix'd

>>85031031

But it cares for its other properties.

Sure they don't car about people watching steamboat willie mickey mouse for free...

...but what about when Cinderella, Aladdin and Snow White come up fro public domain.

Lots of money in merchandising and film rights all lost.

>>85025282
BASED PAJEET

>>85031023
>it only takes a few million dollars to control congress
What the FUCK. Disney is a multi-billion dollar company, and it only takes that much?

>>85025497
I'm not sure folklore concepts and creatures can be trademarked.

>>85026308
>the only correct answer in this thread

>>85031288
On a specific issue where there is little organized/funded resistance? Yeah.

Most people are unaware and unconcerned about copyright law (as evidenced by this thread) despite the huge impact it has on their lives.

>>85024853
This tbqh. Almost 100 posts and only 2-3 people can actually grasp the difference between copyright and trademarks.

>>85031417
The whole mind state disney/corporations have the general populace in about copyright nowadays is totally fucked.

>>85031417
If they happen to be created in the 20/21st century, they sure as fuck can.

>>85030874
How many rupee per post do you get paid?

>>85031197
What does copyright have to do with ticket prices? Are you trying to say that Disney will eventually own and monopolize everything?

Can I get a quick rundown on what's happening?

>>85031417
His concept of vampires are sufficiently different from folklore vampires that a good lawyer would easily be demonstrate that they were ripping off Bram Stoker's vampires rather than Strigoi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strigoi )

>>85031536
None, what's with your animosity towards disney?

>>85031633
>>85028901

>>85024789
Eat shit faggot. What if in the future a rightwinger want to use Harry Potter characters but can't cause liberal ass Rowling won't allow it? It's literally pro-consumer to have this happen.

>>85025019
Wat? Inter company license fee? Talking out your ass

>>85028901
delete this hate speech goyim.

>>85031701
Brainlet cocksucker

>>85026140
>And I would argue that Disney should be exempt. The company still stands today and is still working with the character. I don't see how putting Mickey in public domain would benefit general society either.
And so you'll basically make the concept of public domain irrelevant, which is a huge mistake.

>>85028901
>>85031023
Anti-Semitism

>>85026202
Man, that's fucking stupid.

>>85029505
>It's still in use by the company that owns and created it
Companies are not people. Walt created it, and barring the frozen corpse theory, has been dead for a long ass time.

>>85031608
>Disney will eventually own and monopolize everything

They are trying

>ticket prices

That's literally the tip of the iceberg. There is literally no reason why a company should be applauded for cornering a market, especially if it does such a lousy job with it as Disney does.

>>85030717
Yes, this. Fucking jewish copyright laws means we're stuck with the same few turn of the century works to adapt.

>>85030801
And this! Them doing this with copyright laws is hypocritical as shit.

And the worst part? They've more or less absorbed those stories in the public mind.

>>85032089
>>>/pol/

>>85032196
But it's quite literally jewish. Look at who runs Disney.

>>85032296
I don't care, fuck off back to /pol/ right now.

>>85032322
No.

Go back to /co/umblr or /lgbt/ if you can't handle the truth.

>>85032366
And you can kill yourself :)

>>85032366
>truth
Okay schizo
>>>/x/

>>85024903
New DCU (Disney Cartoon Universe) when?

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/01/well-probably-never-free-mickey-thats-beside-point
>If you want to make a new Mickey Mouse thing, you might be better off arguing fair use than public domain, anyway. Fair use covers transformational use for commentary, parody, education and many other uses. If you're trying to make new Mickey stuff with the "public domain" Mickey from the 1928 cartoons, you'll have to be careful not to encroach upon the visual elements of Mickey that Walt Disney, Ub Iwerks and the other artists who worked on the shorts developed over time in other cartoons that are still under copyright. Fair use has no such constraint.

Disney owns the trademark character of Mickey Mouse and probably always will. Should the actual original cartoons become public domain, great, they can now be uploaded to youtube.

When is bugs bunny set to become free domain

>>85033242
Tex Avery didn't die until 1980, so 1980 + 75 years = 2055, and it was published before 1978 so they get another 20 years from the Copyright Term Extension Act, so 2075 at the earliest assuming Disney don't get the laws changed before then.

Realistically, it won't happen in our lifetimes.

>>85024120

He won't enter the public domain because he is a trade mark.

>>85030654
This. Disney's entire existence is based on public domain works. God forbid they should have to give back to that system.

>>85032057
In America they are because of dumb shit like this. Do you really expect Disney to just roll over and accept their main mascot becoming public domain? Why on earth would they, it's much more Disneys than the publics

>>85030979
no

>>85033755
The public that buys Disney's shit? The public without whom Disney would not exist?

>>85033696
Why do they have to give back to the public domain? What exactly are you hoping comes out of that, and it's not exactly an original idea to base cartoons off of public domain fairy tales, it's smart

>>85033853
>make billions of dollars from iterating upon public domain works
>should somehow be exempt from giving back to the system

On what basis? That's like a company that mostly builds public roads not wanting to pay taxes even though most of their revenue is from city/state sources.

>>85033830
What in the holy fuck is the public going to do with mickey mouse? Sell him? Just like they're doing now? Public domain isn't exactly a service, like what the fuck are you talking, what good does anything being in public domain do for anyone? You can already use mickey mouses likeness if you're not profiting, and if you were trying to make it public domain so you could profit off of it while Disney is still a functioning company that sounds like stealiny

>>85024523
>im a fucking retard: the post

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Disney will push Mikey harder than ever as their mascot, to the point of any other studio using him would essencially be free publicity for Disney.

At least, that would be the smart thing for them to do

>>85033853
>Why do they have to give back to the public domain?
They've more or less absorbed and trademarked any properties that they've adapted. Why SHOULDN'T they give back to the public domain?

>>85034169
>What in the holy fuck is the public going to do with mickey mouse? Sell him? Just like they're doing now?
Yep, cut into Disney's profits on merch. Which is fine by me, they have enough money.
>and if you were trying to make it public domain so you could profit off of it while Disney is still a functioning company that sounds like stealiny
This is a company that bribes the government. They don't deserve your empathy.

>>85034070
It's not like the red Cross or any other government service, they don't owe public domain anything because NOBODY OWNS SHIT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, Disney was smart and animated a bunch of free crap that they took because they wouldn't have to owe anyone. What you're suggesting is that when I go to the library and take out books I should somehow owe them money

>>85034399
So youre just a butthurt communist, this is making sense now

>>85034492

>communism is equal to public domain advocacy

You sir are a retard.

>>85034492
What Disney does is the equivalent of outsourcing. They take without contributing anything. They now have a firm grasp on century old stories and can make reasonable copyright claims to any merch featuring them.

Furthermore they are into a lot of really shady shit. Why should I feel pity for them?

>>85026397
>Drawn by a jewish man
disney was an extreme jew-hater

>>85034742
You don't have to feel pity, but technically speaking they are 100% in the clear

>>85034564
>A company should be regulated if they are making a certain amount of money regardless of the fact that the ideas they steal from literally have no owners they can pay

You sir should go back to Russia and do some research as to the point of public domain. It's just a well you take from, nobody has ever had a dying want to add to the glamorous records of public domain

>>85024689 They'll make it 1000 years, used to be 14. I wish Trump cared about reducing that.

>>85024789
The copyright system would not even exist within laissez-faire capitalism and neither would patents. They are both literally government regulations. You are a retard if you think this is communism

>>85024500
But Disney isn't making much money on the mouse these days.

>>85024356

They don't give Disney any exemptions, they just extend copyright for everything.

>>85024461
>Wait, how this law works, something can stop being your property after some time in US?

Uh, buddy, intellectual property is time-limited everywhere on the planet.

>>85031701
Yeah that's what tons of companies like Disney do. Fucking with taxes by using royalties

>>85034408
You do owe public libraries money dumbass.

It's called paying taxes.

>>85037489
So then as long as Disney pays taxes they don't owe anything else to public domain, which they do so they dont. Thank you for clearing this up

>>85034408
Library cards cost money in some countries.

>>85034169
>You can already use mickey mouses likeness if you're not profiting
Not true.

See: Any fangame that uses Nintendo characters

>>85037778
We're talking about america

>>85037809
Wtf is a fan game

>>85037635
The government doesn't own things in public domain. Nobody does. The equivalent to paying taxes is honoring the system.

Dumbass fucking statist / corporatist.

>>85038097
Can you name me one artist of any medium that's contributed directly to public domain?

>>85038097
Like, I don't understand what this system of take one leave one is that you think constitutes public domain, it does not work that way

>>85034808
>disney was an extreme jew-hater
That's straight up wrong. He was normal American businessman who didn't love Jews by any means but didn't hate them. Disney hired a lot of Jewish animators.

Stop getting your history from Family Guy.

>>85038219
But it does?

1. Make something.
2. Die.
3. Estate benefits from it for an entire lifetime afterwards
4. Eventually noone gives a shit

>>85038327
You're aware your estate can update copyrights past your death?

>>85038327
What is this nonsense list of bull crap you pulled out of your stupid asshole? Your understanding of this makes no sense

>>85038096
A fan of a franchise that makes their own game using characters and/or story. Essentially like a rewrite or a fanfiction. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad. Most of the time they are ignored, but recently there has been a push by Nintendo to shut down any and all fangames of their works (Look up AM2R if you're interested for more info). Kinda the same way how Disney shuts down Birthday Parties because they use Disney characters for decorations. Nintendo/Disney are able to do this because "Not for profit" never works in a court of law, it always is judged in favor of the copyright holder because the characters & stories are not public domain.

If Nintendo/Disney's works were public domain, anybody would be able to make a fangame (at that point, it'd just be a "game") or cartoon or movie using the characters & stories. They'd just have to use a different design than what is trademarked. Trademark allows Disney to use the Mickey design as they applied it. If Public Domain, anybody could use a anthropomorphic mouse named Mickey for anything as long as the visual design is different.

>>85024461
>>85024561
If I was Walt's ghost I'd rather my creations go public domain than continue as a cheap corporate symbol that hasn't been relevant in decades.

>>85037998
How does european public domain figure into this anyway? They count from the death of the last person who counts as an author, which would for Steamboat Willie be the composer who lived till 1988 so it should be 2058.

What would happen if US copyright ends earlier than European? It feels weird that an American work can have a longer copyright under foreign law.

So could people sell copies of the movie in one country but not be allowed to in another? How does that work when the thing is imported, would that be illegal?

>>85039161
It's exactly what you're thinking. it would be legal in one and not the other and yes, it would be illegal to import it.

>>85034169
to add to >>85038855
a work can be considered abandoned if the owner does nothing to protect his ownership. Shutting down fan games and hospital decorations is their version of enacting ownership. This may seem overdoig it for something like Disney but with something like Mega Man who had no game or media in years it is necessary.

Mickey Mouse is not touching the public domain. Neither will all the random marvel heroes that disney got

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>2023 will be soon
>Still remember the 2011 like yesterday
WTF im doing with my life?

>>85026317
Fuck you. I'll respond to you right now, angrily.

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>>85039448
Stardust the Super Wizard is the only superhero who needs to be in public domain anyway.

>>85039530
Realizing its futility.

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>>85034970
>A thousand year Reich
Seems appropriate.

Best solution is to amend the law where a company/person must apply for an extension, say every 15 years after 75 years, that they are still using the copyrighted material and prove that by losing the copyright it would negatively affect their business.

Companies like Disney can forever protect their property while others can be allowed to lapse into public domain without just forever extending the period of time.

>>85026202
>>85026308
How the hell is this thread missing this point?

Most of the original Betty Boop, Capser, and Popeye cartoons are all in the public domain now. But that doesn't mean the characters are. This basically means some Chinese company could legally sell Betty Boop Blu-Rays without having to pay royalties. But that wouldn't give a Chinese company the legal light to make unlicensed Betty Boop merchandise.

>>85031608
>Are you trying to say that Disney will eventually own and monopolize everything

Are you seriously asking this question?

>>85039901
Yep. Amazon already streams old Popeye cartoons for free, even to non Prime members.

>>85039442
That's the thing, they have no legal reason to do so, it's bullying.

>>85039852
>Companies like Disney can forever protect their property

It's not "their property" you fucking pleb. Its a fucking idea and for big cases like Mickey Mouse it's the MOST important that it someday returns to public domain you fucking corporate dicksucking shitter.

>>85026308
>>85031428
That's not how Trademark works you dummys.

That's how a lot of big corporations WANT trademark to work. But the courts have shown that Trademark does not prevent new works with public IPs, only making sure it's not misleading the consumer into believing they're buying a product from a different company.

So if Warner Bros made a Mickey Mouse movie when copyright expired, all they'd have to do to get around Disney's trademark is put a huge FROM WARNER BROS clearly on the box.

>>85024120
The same thing that happened before; copyright will be extended.

>>85031608
>Are you trying to say that Disney will eventually own and monopolize everything?
Consider:
Marvel
Star Wars

Yes. That stands out as a distinct possibility.