ITT: Marxistkino

>>85007887
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQJlvqeXrC8

>>85007887
Is it good? The poster's good but I imagine it's shit

>>85007916
It's basically just Zizek reviewing a bunch of random movies and the ideologies presented within them.

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Literally pure kino

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>>85007995
>Capitalists do movies
>Kiddie shit, westerns and bland love stories
>Commies do movies
>literally invent kino

what did they mean by this? Also, trump babbies might have co-opted Pepe but Dziga was literally Pepe 100 years agon.

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>>85008381
You sound mad cuckboy, maybe you should go watch some capitalist produced "cinema" like Iron Man Homecoming and leaving real kino to the actual revolutionary class

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The only marxistkino is any movie that murders all marxist pseudo-intellectuals and implements free market capitalism.

Marxists don't even believe humans have biological instincts, it's a delusional religion that belongs in the dustbin of history.

>>85007944
>>85007916
but zizek is the most brainwashed ideological person around

is this documentary supposed to be a joke?

>>85008344
commies hate art and are unable to comprehend human nature, they make garbage, forgettable movies
commies need to be killed desu

>>85008432
>capitalist produced "cinema"
like 99.9% of movies ever made ever?

what has authoritarianism and slavery(communism) produced except pure shite?

>revolutionary class
Marxists need to be gassed

>>85008459

PURE
IDEOLOGY

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>>85008494
Sure, Zack Snyder the objectivist creates real cinema, commies create thrash! Keep believing that!

Can someone explain to me why the cult of marxism still exists when it makes no sense and has failed so hard.
inb4 some asspained commie reverses the words

>>85008530
>actually unironically being a marxist
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
PURE IDEOLOGY AND PURE PSEUDOINTELLECTUALISM

Why do you people want to be poor and enslaved?
what a bunch of cucks

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>>85008533
zack snyder will never have a wife as qt as this

>>85008432
jesus fucking christ man you sound like an insufferable faggot

I like Slavoj. When it's time, I'd like for him to be spared

>>85008533
>Zack Snyder the objectivist creates real cinema, commies create thrash!
He's not an objectivist, his movies aren't that great, commie """"movies"""" are far far worse.

>>85008584
Nah, on the day of the helicopter, he'll be thrown out too.

>when your ideology killed millions and collapsed everywhere it was tried but you convince yourself they weren't ideologically pure enough
Literally a cult

>>85008601
Yeah libertarians are pretty nutty

>>85008571
>Why do you people want to be poor and enslaved?

I do not want to be, that is why I support socialism

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>>85008575
Neither will post 68 Godard

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What are some movies about free helicopter rides for pseudo-intellectual marxists that don't even believe in evolution or human instincts?

>>85008344
>>85008432
Imagine being this jaded and supporting a system that collapsed worldwide over a quarter century ago.

Daily reminder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

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>>85008581
>>85008600
What's the deal boys, your Netflix™ account isn't paid and you can't watch Avatar again?

>>85008630
>projecting

>>85008637
That doesn't make any sense.
Why would you support a system that enslaves you and takes away your rights?
Why are you people so incredibly brainwashed?
Why don't you want to have a free market like Switzerland mostly has. They have the highest living standards in europe because they for the most part embrace free markets.

Socialism is slavery.
Socialists need to be killed.

>>85008642
Scarface?

>>85008459
"marxists don't believe humans have biological instincts"

what the fuck does this even mean. you've packed so much into your little quibble that its inane to even argue with you. have fun

Why do commies still exist?
Is it the same reason scientologists still exist?

I mean how could you unironically deny human instincts and pretend human nature doesn't exist.
How could you deny science THIS MUCH!!

>>85008713
>Socialism is slavery.
>Socialists need to be killed.

Jesus Christ how can one /pol/tard be this fucking stupid? Classcucked as fuck.

>>85008755
imagine believing such a strawman

life would be so easy to be such a docile sheep

>>85008741
>what the fuck does this even mean
Are common english words too difficult for the average marxist?
You people don't even accept human evolution.
Human neuroscience and the evolutionary instincts that created it exist and dictate human behavior.
You people pretend it doesn't exist and instead believe in pseudoscience called "dialectical materialism"?

Just kill yourself already you shit genetics low iq waste of life.

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>there are people who are still unironically marxists and communists today
I will never understand this, 1989-1991 should have been enough of a wake-up call.

>>85008756
>classcucked
You're literally part of an economic class you dumb commie

>>85008756
>>Socialism is slavery.
>>Socialists need to be killed.
TOP KEK
How is this contradictory whatsoever?

Yes I want to kill people that use violence to enslave me.
Absolutely.

>Classcucked
DUDE LOL, WHAT A KEK, WHY DOESN'T THIS GUY SUPPORT DICTATORS AND ECONOMIC SLAVERY
AHAHAHHAHA
Holy fuck you people live your entire lives wanting to be slaves.
I bet you believe surplus value exists as well
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>85008774
except it's not a strawman, socialism and marxism is a cult and religion that makes no sense

it flies in the face of common sense

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>SURPLUS VALUE IS REAL
>THE FACT THAT THE WORKING CLASS ALREADY CONSUMES 99% OF CONSUMER GOODS IS IRRELEVANT

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOLY FUCK THESE DUMB MARXIST RETARDS

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>85008844
You are defending a system explicitly designed to exploit your labour and extract wealth from you. You are defending the parasitic millionaire class at the expense of fellow workers. You are 100% cuckolded.

>>85008844
>hates being enslaved by the government and the economy
>supports a system wherein the government gets greater control over his life and wages

>>85008808
no... its not a common english word to say "human biological instincts". in fact it is a very deep and expansive topic which is literally only currently at the forefront of actual science. we are still learning about these things these, they are not fully explored, discovered, known. the way you talk about neuroscience and instincts makes me believe that you "know" these things to be true.

but really we both know that you are an uneducated fuck who uses words they don't fully understand to argue about things that their little tiny lizard brain gets angry about.. you seriously sound so ridiculous i almost want to believe this is bait, but no one could be so fucking stupid.

telling me to kill myself is just sad, and your instant go-to insult being genetics and IQ shows me that you are very upset about your shitskin genetics and sub-100 IQ.

>>85008869
"these entire disciplines of political philosophy are a cult and a religion" what the fuck are you even saying here bud. there are certainly portions of philosophies that aren't coherent. but to deny an entire philosophy? are you fucking simple?

>>85008932
>You are defending a system explicitly designed to exploit your labour
LMAO
HOLY FUCK YOU STILL BELIEVE IN THE LTV

AHHAHA
How fucking stupid are you?

How are they exploiting my labour when me and my class consumes 99% of the end product of production?

We get what we produce because the working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods. No matter what wage rates are or what the level of inequality is.

>extract wealth
How are they extracting anything when if they gave me all of the profits of production and everyone in my class went to spend that money, prices would have to rise because the same exact level of consumer goods exists.

How would taking over the means of production magically create more consumer goods.
EXPLAIN THIS
Oh wait you CANNOT

>You are defending the parasitic millionaire class
Capital accumulation is what increases living standards for the working class.
Deal with it.

You are the biggest cuckold.

>>85008965
>>supports a system wherein the government gets greater control over his life and wages
I don't though. I support a free market.
I hate central banking.
You support central banking, you cuck.

>>85008966
>no... its not a common english word to say "human biological instincts"
What?
Common people know what human instincts are.
Maybe marxist turds don't understand basic scientific principals, but the rest of society does.

>the way you talk about neuroscience and instincts makes me believe that you "know" these things to be true.
No shit.
Human instincts are commonly accepted fact.
Are we not animals?
Why do you leftist retards openly believe in pseudoscience?

>but really we both know that you are an uneducated fuck
You are probably a legitimate marxist. Holy fuck, you don't have a leg to stand on.
It's like a flat earther or scientologist is talking to me.

>that their little tiny lizard brain
Lizard brain yes.
NOW you're getting it.
Dialectical materialism is bullshit.

>telling me to kill myself is just sad
dude, just fall off a cliff

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>>85009009
>but to deny an entire philosophy?
Like marxism?
Yeah, it's fucking bullshit from start to finish.
I mean you can either believe in human instincts or dialectical materialism.
There is nothing in between. They are polar opposites.

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When are we going to kill all of the marxists and central bankers and have a free market economy?

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>tfw a marxist that smelled like literal feces walked by me

>>85009117
care to explain what "human instincts" are, then? you seem to be unwilling to explain or elaborate. the rest of society does not all hold your view of human instincts, it wildly differs based on culture and religion you fucking wad. did you know that??

the way that you literal fucking shills talk and think is so filled up with nonsense, its amazing that you actually have coherent thoughts. really, I'm surprised you can even manage your fucking retarded convictions.

please explain the contra-indication between "human instincts" and "dialectical materialism" as you so put it.

also hey guess what i'm not a marxist, i've just studied philosophy in general and understand that the entire field can't be reduced to your worldview, lacking in nuance as it is.

Karl Marx:
>never worked a day in his life
>shamelessly lived on handouts from his friend Engels (a factory owner lel)
>refused to work despite his children starving, some dying and his wife begging him to get a job
>championed a new system where """men""" like him would be top of the pile
Anyone buying this shit is a fucking retard

>>85009344
i'm pretty sure ultimately if you ever actually read any of his works you would like them, especially his discussions on secularism and the state.

it truly is sad that you let your mind be clouded like this. truly, understand that there is nuance in this world.

>>85009285
>care to explain what "human instincts" are, then?
Wait really?
You want me to explain commonly accepted scientific principals to you?
Okay I guess.

All humans have innate behavior hardwired in their brains that makes them feel and act in certain ways. Social stimuli can modify this, yes but the hardwired instincts do not change.

I mean the entire range of human emotions, like humor, sadness, hapiness, jealousy, fear, lust, love etc etc are all instincts.
Even the drive in most people to start a family and care for children is instinctual.

>the rest of society does not all hold your view of human instincts
lmao of course they do, it's only recently that a movement of SJWs came along to deny instincts.

You people are fucking creationists and it's embarrassing. I bet you don't even understand that the brain is a complex computer.

>it wildly differs
It differs, but not wildly. The same behaviors are observed in many cultures that never even came in contact with each other.
Man you people are dumb as rock.
You don't even accept science.

>the way that you literal fucking shills talk and think is so filled up with nonsense
The IRONY, you have no refutation.

>"human instincts" and "dialectical materialism" as you so put it
What? Even marxists would agree there is a debate between these two things.
DM basically states that all human action is the result of economic forces, this cannot be true is human action is the result of biological/instinctual forces can it?

>i've just studied philosophy
meaning you're probably a scientifically illiterate idiot
cultist

>>85009436
>im pretty sure i can tell you what you read
>trying to change thecsubject because I can't refute what you wrote about Dear Leader
lel. I read the Manifesto retard. It made me hate you and yours.

>>85009436
>i'm pretty sure ultimately if you ever actually read any of his works you would like them
Nobody likes him.

He believed in the labour theory of value which has since been debunked and mocked for it's stupidity.
He believed in dialectical materialism which has since been debunked and mocked for it's stupidity.

Marxism is so sad and when applied in real life it basically means authoritarianism and slavery.
No wonder it's dying.

Marxists should all be killed desu.

ITT brainwashed shills can't touch concepts that are icky

>>85009436
>>85009501
Just butting in here.
The manifesto isn't the core of marxism.
Das Kapital is.
Das Kapital is bullshit though and filled with circular logic.
There's a reason this fat satanist(I'm not religious, I'm just stating the facts) turd couldn't finish kapital vol 3.
So many people were criticizing his retarded theories and he couldn't refute the criticism so he spent the last 10 years of his life being a rich neet and "grown tired of economics".

He should have been killed when he was a baby.

>>85009584
>can't touch concepts that are icky
like DM, LTV, classes, surplus value etc?

These were all touched on and debunked in this thread.
Get fucking killed you delusional commie turd.
I want to shove McDonalds™ down your throat as you suffocate and I fuck your mother.

honestly its really funny to see you guys cloak yourself in nation, pride, and philosophy. i do hope it makes you feel better about yourself. just remember that no one will ever respect you intellectually unless they are also a yes-man just like you

>>85009344
OURGUY

What do you think zizek will die of?
I hope it's lung cancer or bone cancer.
But sadly it will probably be diabetes. :(

>>85009681
>honestly its really funny to see you guys cloak yourself in nation, pride, and philosophy
I do this daily and have awesome friends and family and live a good life.

What has denying these things ever brought to people except slavery, depression and poverty?
Die commie scum

i'd understand if you were angry at something that was more.. tangible. but this sort of anger or resistance at something so tenuous is literal mental illness.

seriously, there are plenty of people who don't believe that marxism and communism can ever be a truly realized political philosophy (myself included). and then there are people who literally make a cult of this. every criticism you level is simply a projection. not only are your criticisms a simple insight into what makes you afraid or insecure, they are also simply irrational criticisms or gripes. it reminds me of when i was a young child and angry at bullies, how someone lashes out at the thing they believe is holding them down while the whole time not realizing they have wings from the start.

>>85009695
maybe he will die in his own feces

they'll find him and have to lift him out of his rented commieblok with a crane

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>Zizek
"In thish moment *sniff*, by means of pershonal feelings and sho on *swish*, I am in what Lacan would call the jouissance. But not becauje, you know, of any phony liberalism and totalitarianist ideology. Political, buddhism materialism and sho on. No, no *snort*... But becauje, you see, *swallows fly* of marxshist dialectic in the sense of the foucaultian genealogical method, *tugs shirt* there is this *sniff* enlightened shuffering that comes with tolerance, genocide, *unintentional voiced linguolabial trill* anti semitism, analogous to *wipes nose* some religious prophecy *sweats profusely* and sho on! *snort*"

>>85008642
Pinochet died begging for his life to Margaret Thatcher. He was so pathetic they left him in his house and forgot about his body for three days before coming to fetch the corpse.

>>85007995
That is poster kino of the highest degree

>>85009737
there's no sense in denying these things. why deny nation, race, pride, espoused philosophy. I don't deny the things that I love about myself.

But i also don't seek out their antithesis in order to rile myself up, feed my anger addiction, and feel powerful. there are other ways to spend your time that are more fruitful.

truly, the saddest words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these: pol was right again. truly if all you do is berate people like this online you are doing a disservice to your countrymen.

its hard being a pirate and seeing all you cunts mess about, larping your commie-killing fantasies. if it came to it, you would piss your pants, hahaha

>>85009798
>Pinochet died begging for his life to Margaret Thatcher
pinochet was honestly just another statist that barely did shit to free any markets
chile is still a statist shithole

he only liberalized a tiny bit and made it tolerable to live there

no wonder chile today is the best place to live in SA

People like me think he's based because he rightfully killed marxists.
He did a great job doing that honestly.

>>85009859
>larping your commie-killing fantasies
Nobody is larping here, if push came to shove, commies and leftists would be 6 feet under in america

>you would piss your pants
Why do all of the right wingers have proven gun reserves and constantly train and use them, while leftists are fucking vaginas with no guns?
post those "exception" pictures though, they are pretty hilarious

ITT: burger kids late at saturday night and 1-2 Euros that have woken up early

>>85009941
so?
what is your point?

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>>85009938
>leftists are fucking vaginas with no guns?
Liberals perhaps but not actual leftists.

ITT big strong american MEN who wouldn't think TWICE about killing some god damn commies

FUCK human dignity
FUCK the sanctity of life
FUCK commies

hey guise do i fit in now? do i have friends now?

sometimes i think about moving to europe but then i remember guys like marx who shit up the entire continent

>>85010034
no, actual leftists in the world today have very little guns compared to right wingers

>m-muh gorilla bowel movements

marxism is nearly dead

>>85010036
>FUCK human dignity
>FUCK the sanctity of life
>FUCK commies
Wait what?
I support human dignity and human rights.
That's why I support killing commies to defend those rights.
Commies are not human beings.

>>85008659
waaaah producks is bad ™ ™
> posted from his kapitalist appliance
everythan shude b free
from each according to what I say
to each according to what I say lol
socialesmus ™™™ xD

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>>85010040
>implying anybody but ancaps thinks capitalism is infalliable
>commies so unoriginal they have to steal an older meme instead of making their own

>>85010108
All those guns and you still haven't done shit. Sad.

>>85010108
some human beings are not human beings, by dint of (as shown in this thread) mere disagreement that entire political philosophies are trash. but you support human dignity and human rights.

sounds coherent.

>>85010040
Pinketons did NOTHING WRONG and frick and Carnegie contributed to raising living standards for the working class through the gilded age

>leopold 2
>anything close to free market
lmao no

>shah
>anything close to free market
lmao no

>pinochet
>anything close to free market
he liberalized the economy slightly which dramatically raised living standards for chilians
also the people he killed were NOT innocent, they were marxists funded by the KGB that wanted to turn chile into a place worse than cuba

>>85010166
What the fuck is this even trying to say?
Leftypol memes are the worst.

>>85010162
look at all leftypol
they can only copy memes and never make their own shit

>>85010164
patience

>>85010166
lmao kill yourself leftypol, you are unable to refute the surplus value arguments in this thread
are you honestly going to start spamming images?
I can play that game too senpai.

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Marxism is stupid

National socialism is the true way forward for mankind.

>>85010166
>meanwhile leftists think they are entitled to the money of other people and want the government to take more from the paychecks of actual workers to support their shitty programs

>>85010208
you do not think that your boss is entitled to your wife because he gives you the job you use to support here. so why do you think he is entitled to the product of your work that he gives you the means to create?

admittedly its a ridiculous meme, but that is what it is implying.

>>85010199
>Real capitalism has never been tried

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>>85010248
>Hugo Chavez
You serious nigger?

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>>85010248
literally every single one of those people impoverished their people and needed to be killed

>>85010272
>you do not think that your boss is entitled to your wife because he gives you the job you use to support here. so why do you think he is entitled to the product of your work that he gives you the means to create?
This was ALREADY REFUTED HERE:
>>85008891
>>85009036

Actually attempt to refute arguments about LTV or just kill yourself.

i don't understand, if you are an actual nazi and think this is the way it should be, why don't you start a nazi party in america? surely the people would wake up and support you, because they share your beliefs, right?

right??

lol, instead you post about it in fear online, because you know that you cannot truly make a coherent political argument that would be acceptable. and this is no fault of yours, only the cucked populace.

>>85010272
Because I fucking work for him and he pays me for the work in a voluntary exchange, jesus christ have commies ever worked a real job before?

>meanwhile these idiots want me to pay even more out of my paycheck for their shitty social programs that will collapse within the next few decades

>>85010314
How is this a refutation? I dont see the connection

>>85010274
capitalism has been tried for centuries according to your retarded definitions

We don't necessarily support "capitalism" in the same way we don't necessarily support "breathing".
We support free market capitalism, nothing else.
If a country has a tiny amount of market activity and some business people yet it's a dictatorship that highly restricts economic freedom, then we obviously do not support that and the vast majority of people do not support that.
According to your insane definition, north korea and the USSR are capitalism because they still had some private control over the means of production.

It's so easy to take your strawman stick from you.

>>85008648
That wasn't real communism

>>85010382
>voluntary exchange

kek. KEK.

There is nothing voluntary about work for the vast majority of people.

i have a question for all you free market capitalists:

what would you do if water wasn't cheap. what would you do if some commodities necessary for life raise beyond the means of the lower classes to purchase them? do you simply believe this could never happen?

>>85010440
just off yourself

>>85010389
Okay, I'll type it out again.

The working class already consume the end product of their labour.
99% of consumer goods are bought and consumed by the working class

How is it possible to get anything more than 99%?
If the working class seized the means of production and this profit and "surplus value" was given to the workers instead of the capitalist, it would simply cause prices to dramatically skyrocket and the working class would be in the same exact position they were before.
Why, because the same exact amount of consumer goods will be produced. Like I said, they are already consuming 99%.
There's a tiny amount of capitalists and almost all of them simply save their money, which LOWERS the cost of capital and consumer goods.

Try to debunk this while I go get beer and come back in 30 mins.

>>85010451
If you're some retard who flips burgers maybe

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Holy fuck, politics again? Could you really stop it? Don't bring this on /tv/, fuckers. After Trump's elections it's unbearable

>>85010397
>We support free market capitalism, nothing else.

>My specific, perfect, entirely infallible brand of capitalism has never been tried

>>85010451
>DUDE WE CAN ALL MAGICALLY BE RICH IF WE TOOK ALL OF THE BOSSES MONEY

NO, you won't.
You literally will not.
See:
>>85010491

>>85010466
if it were expensive, it would probably be due to an actual shortage
I dunno how your retarded ideology of enslavement and handouts would somehow produce more water
oh wait, you'd probably have some peons die from dehydration so you could pretend the numbers are up

how is this shite ideology still alive
fucking middle class edgelord faggots is why

Thread was actually going good before the autistic capitalists showed up and tried to divert the discussion to them instead of making their own thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZJrC-4Eng

>>85010504
Free markets by definition are not government activity like war or forced starvation.
There are a few examples of "mostly" free markets in history and they resulted in a massive increase in living standards for the working class and PEACE.
The biggest one would be the gilded age in america. It was the greatest increase in human living standards up to that date.
USA had the highest living standards on earth thanks to their mostly free markets and free banking.

>>85010532
good job not answering the question at all, lmao.

"it would be due to an actual shortage!"

ok well then tell me when telecoms companies charge like 2$/GB of overage when that is nowhere near the cost to generate that bandwidth. my point is that it doesn't take scarcity for goods to be overvalued.

fuck, look at the canadian housing market. million dollar crack shacks in vancouver bud.

what do you do when the middle class can no longer afford homes??

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>>85010549
>autistic capitalists
Why do you literal turds project so hard?
It's fucking hilarious that you actually believe this pseudoscience and are unable to refute it.

>>85010549
marxist cucks are masters of self-delusion
it was never going well for you ITT
everyone hates you snotty spoiled brat fucks with your gay anachronistic "revolution"-talk
fuck off

>>85010583
If you want to talk about capitalist movies make your own thread.

>>85010491
So either way the result is the same but on capitalism you have a group of rich outliers? Why do you like this then?

>>85010549
>FUCKING CAPITALISTS REEEEE
It's like Glasnost and Perestroika, as soon as someone debunks you guys in your thread you sperg out and the whole thing collapses like the Soviet Union lel

>>85010569
>telecoms
oh wait
you instantly go to the one that is controlled by patents and government regulation that cause artificial scarcity instead of actual market based goods like technology or food

tell me how socialism will magically give more bread and food to the working class anon?

>fuck, look at the canadian housing market. million dollar crack shacks in vancouver bud.
Thanks to CENTRAL BANKS that YOU SUPPORT you brainwashed fucking idiot.
Holy shit where do you think the money the government creates ends up in, primarily the housing market.

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>there are people on this board that are unironically communists

>>85010588
honestly, the way your criticisms mirror your convictions is truly astounding. what a marvel of human nature.

>>85010569
who cares about the housing market if private property is verboten

>>85010640
I'm from an ex-soviet country you peon marxist cuck
you come here, I crush you
fucking pseudointellectual effeminate Stalinist bitch

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>>85010561
>gilded age

>>85010631
alright, if we can get back to my original point here, that scarcity is not required for goods to be overvalued, i will demonstrate explicitly what my argument is:

how can you stop someone who owns some capital from overvaluing it? if the market is truly free, then would there not be collusion to raise the prices of certain capital, for which the lack of scarcity is the actual impetus to increase the price? i.e. what do you do about greed, my friend.

>>85010696
i love that your words are so clearly mental masturbation. truly fascinating. if only it were so easy for everyone to mentally jerk themselves off.

>>85010710
i live in a middle class bubble: the post

>>85010710
But Anon if he lived back then he would totally be a factory owner with tons of wealth! He definitely wouldn't lose his arms in a factory at age 6 before dying on the streets!

>>85010746
I hope you get assraped at a labor camp school boy

>>85010778
oh yeah, you do eh? are you close? are you right on the edge?? call me a stalinist cuck one more time and ur gonna burst eh

>>85010710
Meanwhile commies are fine with the same shit happening in Holodomor with millions dying

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>>85010248
>Chavez
That's working out reeeeaaaall well.

>>85010795
fucking weirdo
how the hell do you get THIS washed out from studying for a fake degree in cuckoldry

Equal distribution now. Raise inheritance tax. Kill the lackeys supporting their masters.
Do you feel content with the breadcrumbs your master throws, you little cucks?

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>>85010843

>>85010833
the best part is that i'm already finished my second degree which is in stem

yeah i'm a fucking wierdo though, not the guy getting really into posting vitriolic personal insults on a basket weaving forum.

>>85010810
>Holodomor
First off, nice meme. Second, you're comparing a supposed famine to child labor, not really "same shit" as you put it, unless you're a retard of course.

>>85010248
I just noticed they put Tito and the Reagan Administration in the same thing despite Tito dying before Reagan ever took office and Yugoslavia collapsing due to ethnic tensions in place from centuries of conflicts (not to mention Tito ponied up to both eastern and western powers).
Holy shit whoever made this must have just gotten their history from leftypol or something.

>>85010888
>nice meme
Not an argument

Also I'd say millions dying from forced labor from communist rule is worse than some kids working in factories

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>>85007887
You don't see libcucks crying about /pol/ in a thread about marxism (mental retardation). hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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>>85010268
porkies literally aren't people so we're entitled to all of their shit

>>85010843
>he said as he flipped another burger on the grill, seething in rage while preparing to make Fight For $15 posters at home while his wife bangs Jamal with his blessing

>>85010970
lel good luck trying to take any of it

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>>85010986
His mind can't even comprehend someone acting against his immediate self interest

>>85010878
no qualms talking shit to marxists
I fully despise you

>>85010926
>Not an argument
Neither is "muh holdomor"

>>85010598
are there any commie movies that aren't piles of shit?

>>85010601
>but on capitalism
But with capitalism there is ACTUAL economic growth and not poverty and stagnation.

>Why do you like this then?
Why do you like being told what to do?
Why do you like central banking?
Why do you like not being able to retire?

>>85011039
Man I'm not even a Marxist I just like to argue naively against you fucks because it's so important to you. How does it feel to be hostile towards anyone who disagrees? Must be lonely. I pity you.

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>>85011057
this

>>85010970
I'm a "porkie" (actually majored in something useful in college worked hard for my career) and I promise you if I so much a smell you or your unwashed dirtrag friends on my property I will rain down holy hell on you and every one you care about. You sniveling little shit.

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>>85011024
JUST

>>85011102
You can just tell the person who made this pic has never been to an eastern european country actually affected by this shit.
Even the fucking Chinese knew when to admit their retarded collectivization programs didn't work when they killed millions of people.

>>85011111
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

That's how pathetic you sound right now, lol.

>>85011102
>they didn't kill them on purpose!
>they killed them by accident!
oh so much better then

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>>85011069
>But with capitalism there is ACTUAL economic growth and not poverty and stagnation.
Oh, so you accept a ruling class and extreme wealth discrepancies because "there is actual economic growth" ?
You do realize how vague that is?

>>85010718
>how can you stop someone who owns some capital from overvaluing it
market competition

there is more than one seller
if there isn't at any time, it just creates a MASSIVE profit opportunity for someone to compete with the other firm and sell cheaper

>then would there not be collusion to raise the prices of certain capital
This was actually tried countless times in the past(gilded age etc) but these firms always broke up because someone would always break the monopoly, the temptation is too huge, even if nobody broke the monopoly, it creates a massive financial incentive for another firm to be created that will break the monopoly
understand?

>what do you do about greed, my friend.
greed is good in a free market
greed is bad with government

>>85010710
>MUH CHILD LABOUR
Oh fuck I LOVE this argument.
Here we go.
Child labor was a fact of human history for millennia long before the gilded age.
Children simply had to work. There wasn't enough resources to have them not working.
It was actually the gilded age and massive increases in economic production that resulted in children not having to work as much.
Year by year living standards increase to the point child labour wason it's way out long before the government stepped in with it's dumb laws.
When third world countries implement dumb anti-child labor laws, the children either starve to death or go into prostitution.
Is this what you want?

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>>85011188
How dare you question almighty capitalism, back to your cage commie scum!

>>85011111
nice quads porkbro

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>>85010843
>Equal distribution now
WOW
Do you honestly want to get an equal share of nothing?
Guess what you get, nothing.
Money does not equal consumer goods you fucking tool.

>>85010872
Please explain why this is relevant and how taking this wealth will help anyone?
This is going to be hilarious.

>>85011188
>posts picture of a country ruled by socialists for the past 15 years
>"capitalism"
Reminder Lula just got sentenced to a decade in prison

>>85011220
Work hard my friend! You can too become rich! it's only a matter of effort! Everyone has the same opportunities!

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>>85010888
>supposed famine
Why do commies even exist?
holy fuck

>>85009859
>the utter faggotry behind this post

>>85011249
This is literally true in the United States. If you aren't successful it's because you're either stupid or lazy or both.

>>85011087
>how does it feel?
feels high-T
and you're not arguing. that little masturbation pep-talk was the height of your intellectual capacity even WITH the fake STEM degrees.
I've seen your faggy trolling style before. the fact that people still do that is pitiful.

>>85011102
The person who made this has shitty genetics and is a useful idiot.
These people actually want to be enslaved LMAO

>>85011213
>It was actually the gilded age and massive increases in economic production that resulted in children not having to work
It was actually those filthy leftists who fought for anti-child labor laws along with things like the 8 hour work day. Fun note i feel like throwing out just for the hell of it, the "gilded age" term was coined by a socialist

>>85011303
>The person who made this has shitty genetics and is a useful idiot.
What did he mean by this?

>>85011249
>this is the mindset of commies
Jesus I'm glad I was raised in a decent family and built up my work skills instead of whining about richfags on a japanese imageboard

>>85011268
You're right, i should have said supposed man-made* famine

>>85011328
The best course of action for people with bad genetics would be to support communism.
In other words, crab mentality.

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>>85010970
>porkies literally aren't people
Oh look the literal non human communist turd is trying to talk.

>>85011188
>Oh, so you accept a ruling class
No, I don't give a shit about "classes".

>extreme wealth discrepancies
WAIT LOL
YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE TAKING THEIR MONEY WILL SOMEHOW MAGICALLY ALLOW YOU TO BUY MORE CONSUMER GOODS

The working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

Also why are you posting a picture of a shitty country with very little economic freedom?

>>85011242
You really doubt the superiority of a society without extreme inequality?

>>85011325
You realize anti-child labor laws were put in place because of union appeasment and at the time of their passage child labor had gone massively out of fashion?
Of course you didn't because you're a leftist retard who recycles the same talking points over and over again without using your pathetic drug addled brain once

Is there anything more pathetic than admitting you can't provide for your family and needing no to steal someone else's money in order to do so?
Fucking sad

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>>85010639
>It is illegal to kill communists

And I still don't see why.

>>85010888
>supposed famine
Those millions were abducted by aliens anon!

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>>85011240
They get BTFO every single day of their pathetic lives.

>>85011325
>It was actually those filthy leftists who fought for anti-child labor laws
AHHAHAHAHHA
BULLSHIT
You retarded fucking faggot.
Adults had MORE MONEY and prices were coming down like crazy.
Children had to work less and less thanks to economic production.

Do you honestly believe that passing a law 500 years ago would have abolished child labour?
I just fucking told you in the past 20 years or so children have starved to death.
Why do you not have an argument?

The gilded age was the height of american capitalism and it was fucking glorious.

We need the same laws we had back then now.
We would probably have a 20 hour workweek and extremely high living standards.

>>85011328
He's making fun of you.

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>>85011375
>appeasment
You're right, capitalists are known for being scared of revolution so from time to time they'll give into certain demands in order to hold power (pic related) if the pressure is strong enough, which it was at the time, hence why as you say it was "out of fashion" but certainly not for the capitalists. If i wanted only reform i'd be a soc-dem.

>>85011443
>making fun of you
It's my first post ITT, man, why would he? I just really didn't understand

>>85011353
But it's not supposed.
It actually happened.
Why are you such a drooling cuck that actually desires his own enslavement? lol

>>85011366
Inequality is irrelevant.
Inequality can mean there is real capital accumulation which is a good thing.
It can also mean massive central banker corporatism which the entire world currently lives under.

Inequality from a free market is what we desire, not inequality that is caused by creating money and giving it to already rich people for doing literally nothing.

>>85011518
>desires his own enslavement
I'm not the one who is class-cucked tho

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>>85011480
Nobody cares.
Socialists need to suffocate.
They need to drown in boiling acid.
They and the central bankers will succumb to this fate.

>>85011480
Yeah, now you're just a re-tard who thinks he's going to overthrow the government and implement the same system that failed throughout the 20th century to the point of collapsing entirely worldwide by 1989.

>>85011365
NO! I dont need more worthless consumer goods. This progress-driven consume-more mindset is rotten.
You are so deep in the shit you can't even understand in the slightest

>>85011551
(You)

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>>85011534
>class-cucked
lmao
we've been mocking this shit the entire thread
I can't believe you statist cumlickers even exist

Lets see, I can either be totally enslaved while the state controls every aspect of my life, controls all production and kills me if I step out of line or try to have "fun".

OR

I can live in a society where I have freedom of speech, freedom to own property and enter into contracts, a society where there are millions of different people that own different aspects of the means of production and in order for them to survive they have to bend to MY WILL, the dictatorship of the consumertariat.

Guess which one is the cucked one.

Gas yourself comcuck

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>>85011653
>Guess which one is the cucked one.
The one that you willingly bend over for a boss to fuck you up the ass, no lube?

>>85011619
>NO! I dont need more worthless consumer goods.
You don't need more housing, clothing, food, medicine, technology and porn?

Alright then, if you want to die or whatever, that's your problem.

>This progress-driven consume-more mindset is rotten.
The consume now, save never ideology in USA is SOLELY the result of central banking and keynesianism.
Americans used to save their money and were financially well off before central bankers gained massive amounts of power and used that power.

>>85011655
They can't refute ANYTHING in this thread lmao

>>85011697
>The one that you willingly bend over for a boss
Meanwhile you support unwillingly being beaten, enslaved, not being allowed to think or do anything you want to do?
It seems you have weird sexual fetishes anon.

>muh boss
How is he fucking me? If the working class took his money nobody would even be better off.
If the firm was owned by the "muh working class" it would be the same shit.
Also I don't have to work for a boss.
Also the boss has to compete for workers or the workers will go to another firm so the boss has to provide a good working environment.

HAHAHAHA What a dumb cuck you are.

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Can't we just slit every marxist's throat, kill all the central bankers, mass produce capital and resources then live a life of luxury?

>>85011769
I have a strong suspicion your genious train of thought (working class consumes 99% of all consumer goods etc etc) is paper thin but i dont want to spent time and effort refuting it.
Meanwhile, your extreme butthurt is very telling both about your cognitive abilities and current state of mind under capitalism

>>85011871
>I have a strong suspicion your genious train of thought
wow genius, are all marxists this bad at spelling?
fucking retard

>is paper thin
How is a solid fact that cannot be refuted which contradict marxist pseudoscience "paper thin"?

>but i dont want to spent time and effort refuting it.
Because you have no argument desu.

>Meanwhile, your extreme butthurt
AHAHAHAHAHA
This entire thread has been post after post of you people getting shit on and rekt with logical arguments.
Seek help.

>current state of mind under capitalism
Yes because the "mode of production" magically changes my behavior completely and genetics/instincts has nothing to do with it.
Great pseudoscience.

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>>85011111
>worked hard for my career

Communism should only have currency in the third world, and even there it probably will hurt more than it will help, if you're a communist in the first world you're a pure bourgeois larper.

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>>85010152
>>85008521
>much you use tools made by capitalism
never heard this unique and original argument before. pic related
>>85012895
t. doesn't know the definition of bourgeois

>>85012544
he did work hard for it and makes more money than you

he also got quints

what have you ever done?

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>>85011655

>>85013019
America is not a meritocracy, and no one should think it is. There exists no tie to the intelligence of work done or the amount of it that guarantees success. Rather to be rich depends more on either being born into it, or being exceptionally good at exploiting others so one may take the bulk of the proceeds for themselves. This is the magic formula for wealth in this ever so “exceptional” land – exploit, exploit, exploit.

Inheritance& exploitation is how the rich get rich. To understand the exploitation aspect takes some understanding of how the rich function. Next to none of the super rich become that way solely by meritocracy. Their income is created through complex webs of utilizing leverage usually to extract some form of passive income. They are the rentier class or con artists, or both.

You only have to look at what the rich are dabbling in.

take Bill Gates, who did some programming for a few years, poorly, and became rich by landing a series of deals with IBM initially, and then by passively making money off the share values of Microsoft. The late Steve Jobs may have been one of the more hands-on billionaires, but even herequiredthousands of enslaved asian handsto extract the kind profits Apple was able to make.

Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson almost certainlyhasorganized crime links, as if owning a casino wasn’t enough of a con to begin with.

Rich DeVos became a billionaire by running a pyramid scheme most are familiar with called Amway.
The Walton family, owners of Wal-Mart, pays a median wage of 10 bucks an hour (far below a living wage), they strong arm vendors, and also rely on products made with working conditions that resemble old world slavery, while having more wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans.

There’s just no way to make that kind of money without having a major market advantage and then profiteering off it. Lie, cajole, coerce, manipulate, bribe, rig, and hustle. These are the tools of the rich.

>>85013013
>le stages of history meme
people laugh at this bullshit
why is socialism the "next stage" of history?
what evidence does marx have to provide for this?
nothing
in fact people resisted socialism and it collapsed

why was the transformation from feudalism to modern democracy so seemless?

Why are you commie tools still breathing?
You couldn't refute any of the arguments in this thread and are still here.
Why are you still here?
Get gassed.

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>>85008494
>commies hate art
Aren't a lot of artists communists?

>>85013072
>get btfo when he bitches about "YOU USE THINGS MADE BY CAPITALISM"
>sets up a strawman because he is internally triggered and uses it as an argument
get fucked /pol/

>>85013013
>shitty facebook memes
so this is the power of modern marxism

blacked.com

>>85013105
>>85013130
so these are the arguments of the right

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STOP; before you reply: DON'T
this is a communist cultist spam thread, low quality content that is spammed on the board for easy (You)s. The content of this thread also belongs on another board (/leftypol/)
The best option is to not reply but if you absolutely can't keep your retarded opinion to yourself remember to ensure all your posts are high quality and more importantly saged.
otherwise just report and ignore and continue browsing.

>>85013099
>People that hate communism are /pol/
Fucking kek, kys University student champagne socialist

>>85013099
>"haha everyone says that"
>getting btfo
saying that you hear that argument all the time doesn't mean it's not valid and just pointing out that you hear it all the time doesn't refute it.

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>>85013134

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>>85011961
>uses human nature as an argument
>complains about pseudoscience

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>>85010248
>adding Chavez on for guaranteed replies

>>85013192
are you this fucking thick? Or did you just not read my pic related?
>>85013177
cry more

>>85013051
>Rather to be rich depends more on either being born into it
somewhat true but not fully true
countless people still become rich on their own merit alone

>or being exceptionally good at exploiting others
marx' exploitation theory is false and has been proven false ITT
Prove our arguments wrong or kill yourself desu

>Next to none of the super rich become that way solely by meritocracy
bull fucking shit
the majority of them were not handed down their businesses from their families, that is a small minority of capitalists and you know it.

>Next to none of the super rich become that way solely by meritocracy
TOP KEK
That wasn't Steve's fault. He rose their standard of living.
It the fault of their government which forced them to be paid in a currency that was undervalued and which was constantly inflated.
THIS is where people do not get the FULL PRODUCT of their labor, when central banks(which you support) enslave people and enrich governments and corporations.

>The Walton family, owners of Wal-Mart, pays a median wage of 10 bucks an hour
Why do you think prices are so low there you fucking idiot?
Nobody forced these people to work for walmart.
They still make okay money for what they do.
It's a good thing companies exist that have low prices thanks to cheaper labor.

>they strong arm vendors
Good.
Means lower prices.

>and also rely on products made with working conditions that resemble old world slavery
Why is that walmarts fault?

>while having more wealth than the bottom 40% of Americans.
If they gave this wealth to everyone else, would everyone else be better off? Of course not, you idiot.
Also why do you care about their wealth so much?
Why?

>>85013097
the thing is that nobody gives a shit about their terrible art

>>85013099
>>get btfo when he bitches about "YOU USE THINGS MADE BY CAPITALISM"
That WASN'T ME, you gigantic idiot.
I hate that idiotic argument too.
There are far better arguments against socialism that I posted.
Too bad you were unable to refute them.
Brainwashed cuck.
Get gassed leftypol.

>>85013213
Tell me where Marx's exploitation theory was proven wrong ITT, I just got here and am not scrolling through 1000s of lines of meme spam.

All your arguments below that line seem to rely on the exploitation theory being false so I'm not gonna bother with thoae

>>85013212
that shitty facebook meme strawman that conflates two completely different things? is that what constitutes for an argument?

I want /pol/ to leave
>muh hooman nature
Imagine being this dumb

>>85013270
how is saying "you use tools made by capitalism" an argument either? slaves used tools made by slavery, feudalists use tools made by feudalism. It's just not a point.

>>85013212
>cry more
This is the power of Marxism huh

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Will communists ever address the sexual free market?

If no, don't care. At last under this system I can work a shit job and fuck a prostitute once a month, commies want to deny me even that.

>>85013252
Show me (quote) those arguments. I just got in this thread

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>211 replies
>35 posters

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>>85013199
>>uses human nature as an argument
OF COURSE

Do you not accept the REALITY of human instincts?
lmao, holy fuck don't tell me you're actually retarded enough to not believe in human evolution?
Why don't you believe in evolution?

>>complains about pseudoscience
LMAO
HOLY FUCK
AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Why do you people even exist?
You don't even accept human instincts as fact, yet you claim to be scientific.
Holy fucking shit, this is hilarious.

>>85013213
>word vomit
Why do people feel compelled to talk in length about something they clearly have no clue about? It's Dunning-Kruger in perfection.

>>85013326
Your right, the "work or starve" coercion promoted by capitalism is definitely people organizing our of their own free will and hooman naychur

>>85013284
do you use your phone for work or for creating shitty facebook memes and shilling on /tv/? it doesnt sound like a tool to me, more of a product. I doubt you'd ever give it up too.

>>85009792
>anti semitism, analogous to *wipes nose* some religious prophecy

Haha

>>85013256
>Tell me where Marx's exploitation theory was proven wrong ITT
countless times:
>>85010491
>>85008891
>>85009036

Please refute this.
Nobody has yet.
OH WAIT YOU CAN'T

>All your arguments below that line seem to rely on the exploitation theory being false
Because they are and make no sense.
Labour is not the only input into production.
Also even if laborers got all of the profit, it literally would not benefit them.

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Pinochet did nothing wrong

I've never met a communist that didn't have their rent payed for by their parents

>>85013326
>tfw human instinct forces me to surrender to a specific violently enforced socio-economic system that is only 200 years old and where labor is alienated
You don't even know what anthropology is. You are like an ape, a pathetic, smelly human being. Maybe one day you smash the mirror that enslaves you and see yourself again.

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>>85013400

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I've never understood why Walmart gets so much shit and blame for 'killing small business'. No one is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to shop there.
Want walmart to fuck off? Take your business elsewhere. Give your cash to that little mom & pop store.
Its almost as bad as the people who constantly bitch about so few females in STEM jobs and courses in college, as they major in liberal arts.

>>85013382
Pinochet was kinda a bad dude

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>>85013280
>DUDE HUMANS HAVE NO NATURE AND MAN IS A BLANK SLATE
>WHY ARE YOU EVIL RACIST CAPITALIST SCIENTISTS LAUGHING AT ME?

You are admitting you literally don't accept human evolution or neuroscience
We're you even educated in school?
lmao just kill yourself already you creationist

>mfw cant discuss eastern movies because some retards do not know how to do it without brining politics

Seriously, fucking post-Trump and redditors posters. Go die in hell.

>>85010312
There is a full one at the left.

>>85007887
Slavoj zizek has to be the most embarrassing dumbcunt alive, no wonder he's become the contemporary leftist poster boy

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>>85013402
>capitalism is violently enforced
>marxism isn't

>>85013340
>>word vomit
Ahhhh, so this is the power of marxist pseudointellectualism. Getting BTFO and having no arguments.

>Why do people feel compelled to talk in length about something they clearly have no clue about?
If you're so mad then actually refute me then.
OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T

>>85008494
>commies need to be killed desu
Jokes aside they really do

>>85013433
Human nature is descriptive, not prescriptive, you drooling retard.
>inb4 we have to support neoliberal reforms because of NEUROSCIENCE
We live in a world where people lived against their nature, for thousends of years, apperently.

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>>85013364
doubt all you want, I don't give a shit

>>85013377
>99%
This is literally made up, where these numbers came from I don't know.
Here's a small snippet of Britain's economy in 1982, where workers received 52% of the labor they worked for. 53% if you exclude the bankers.

>>85013435
these aren't "eastern movies" newfag they are modern communist propaganda

>>85013513
*57%

>>85013484
I never said it wasn't. The difference is under socialism, the capitalist class gets oppressed. In capitalism, the working class gets oppressed. The state is always an instrument to ensure the superiority of one specific class. It's that simply.

>>85013358
>"work or starve" coercion promoted by capitalism
Nobody ever said you would get things for free.
In a word of scarcity, why would you believe things would be provided to you for free?
Of course you will have less resources if you do not work.
Socialism is also work or starve. At least in capitalism you can be a neet.

>free will
Free will is an illusion.

>hooman naychur
LMAO IT'S JUST LIKE A CREATIONIST MOCKING EVOLUTION
HOLY SHIT GET A LOAD OF THIS NEUROSCIENCE DENIALIST

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>>85013432
naw he literally did nothing wrong though

>>85013494
>over 150 years of theory with thousends of scientists, economists, philosophers, etc
>gets debunked by a 20-line post by a retarded /pol/yp
I feel it beneath me to answer to memes. You only deserve to be shot.

>>85013402
>forces me to surrender to a specific violently enforced socio-economic system

>surrender to a system

Sure, if you call voluntary human interaction a "system".

You are basically saying "people have freedom of choice and their freedom is somehow enslaving me".

You make no sense, get gassed.

>that is only 200 years old
Wrong, capital and capitalists are 1000s of years old.

>labor is alienated
lol nobody cares about your marxist cult theories

>You don't even know what anthropology is.
You're a literal marxist. As much as academia is leftist, you people are utterly mocked in universities.
You're like flat earthers.

>You are like an ape
No fucking shit, so are you, you creationist.

>you smash the mirror that enslaves you
LMAO
Explain how this will benefit me(I've asked you numerous times) or just kill yourself.
Just die.

>>85013545
Show me the psychoanalysis that proves capitalism right.

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THIS IS NOW A COMMUNIST HATE THREAD

>>85013501
>DUDE THE EARTH IS ROUND LMAO
The church is laughing at you!
This is how you sound

>>85013517
The documentary is not. But the documentry itself does talk about some eastern movies. The thread could also lead to the discussion. But hell! Most of you are are not older than 25 yo.

Dont know shit about politics!
Dont know shit about movies!

Just fucking teenagers

>they are modern communist propaganda
It is hard to believe but I can actually watch a movie without ended up being a commie or nazi.


FUCK YOU ALL

>>85013633
Fuck, meant for
>>85013433

>>85013620
You got me. Communists want to end all white people. This is the sole reason I want to reorganize how my surplus is distributed.

>>85013501
>Human nature is descriptive, not prescriptive, you drooling retard.
I know.
That's my point you fucking idiot.
Marxists simply deny it exists and pretend that DM controls human action.
Marxism is pseudoscience.

>neoliberal
LMAO what is "new" or "liberal" about the present central bank controlled global economy?
tell me

>because of NEUROSCIENCE
yes, reality

>We live in a world where people lived against their nature
No, they lived with their nature.

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>>85010166
>mfw the artist who made the original porky propaganda was censored and fucked with by the soviet censors for his whole career and allegedly killed himself although the evidence suggests that the state might have killed him and faked his suicide
brava leftypol, brava!

>>85013536
so the capitalist class includes:
>all ukrainians
>100 million Chinese
>the cossacks
>everyone who disagrees with you politically
>families split up by the Berlin wall
>anyone who wants to leave your country
>all foreigners
>Poland
>a third of the population of Cambodia
>sparrows
sounds a lot more than just 1% desu

>>85013620
>being proud of your racist isnt pathetic
Explain

>>85013620
The caricature in that picture would hate Guns, Germs and Steel because white people dindu nuttin

>>85013634
Look you seem like a decent guy but if youre really older than 25 and still come here you should probably reevaluate your life choices

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>>85008494
>but zizek is the most brainwashed ideological person around
>is this documentary supposed to be a joke?
Zizek doesn't vouch for some idiotic "post-ideological pragmatism", he just says you have to be aware of ideology. And ideology is mostly subconscious assumptions, the stuff you take for granted.

>>85008642
>>85008459
>free market capitalism.
Capitalism does not function without state intervention. See pic related. It works in theory but not in practice.

>>85010440
nice falseflag, faggot
literally no communist ever claims "real communism", it's a shitty strawman made up by rightists
in the same way "trickle down economics" is only used as a perjorative

>>85010520
>muh job creators
"taking" money was never the point of socialism, it's to abolish it, it's not capitalism with wealth distribution

>>85011213
>market competition
Do you know what competition actually means? It means a company like Microsoft that outperforms others buys up company after company until there is almost no competition.

>>85013634
i think it's more pathetic that you're over 25 years old and are still in college having your rent payed for by your parents. wisdom doesn't always cone with age.

>>85013663
>implying kanye isnt a commie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lYEHdfWMrg

>>85013513
>WAGE OF EXPLOITATION GRAPH

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS EVEN SAYING?

>52% of their labour
do you even know what this means?
It means the tiny portion of capitalists consume 48% of consumer goods

How in the fuck is such a thing even possible?

NOTHING in your graph is meaningful data.
I am only talking about consumer goods CONSUMED. That's the ONLY thing that matters.

Even if this useless data was 100% instead of 52% workers would be in the same exact position.

>>85013660
>what is liberal about capitalism?
>what is new about the present?
um...

>>85013536
>class
>MUH CLASSES
fucking irrelevant useless information

>>85013574
>>over 150 years of theory with thousends of scientists, economists, philosophers, etc
Marxism is a cult and not taken seriously in modern academia.
Sorry.
>You only deserve to be shot.
Too bad the good guys(the right wing) are the ones with the guns and you whiny cunts have nothing.

Enjoy your delusions and pseudoscience.

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>>85013718
>It means the tiny portion of capitalists consume 48% of consumer goods
>How in the fuck is such a thing even possible?
That is perfectly possible. They might not eat 5 times as much but more often than not the stuff they consume is stuff that has way much more labor time put into it. For example, a mansion instead of an appartment. In a way, both the capitalist and the worker occupy just one house.

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>>85013658
>I want to reorganize how my surplus is distributed
What the fuck is stopping you from doing that right now? Set up a network with your comrades and you can finally use each others butt plugs and cock rings, because let's be honest that's what this is all really about, all modern commies are closet homosexuals it's obvious as fuck

>>85013619
>psychoanalysis
Psychoanalysis was founded by Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
Welp.
I can clearly say you are a lost individual.
Good luck with your genetic defect that prevents you from thinking things through critically.
Sad.

>>85013770
This is some very specific projecting, anon. That image you attache doesn't help either. Do your parents know you're gay?

>leftists bring up data, theory, factual information
>/pol/ just autistically rees that it's not true
Amazing dialogue.

>>85013678
Explain why it is.

How more BTFO can commies get ITT?
They're on the defense so hard and they cannot defend their retarded religion.
They don't even accept human evolution or instincts.

They actually deny human beings have instincts.
How fucking retarded do you have to be?
lmao

>>85013678
wut

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>>85013382
>>85013573
wtf I love USA backed zionist dictators who increase government spending above that of Allende now

>>85013816
>>85013827
Why would you be proud of anything anyone else has done? You didn't do it. Fucking ridiculous. Be proud of your own accomplishments. It's completely nonsensical to be proud of ANYTHING you didn't do.

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>>85013658
>Communists want to end all white people.
They do.

>>85013718
>a tiny portion of capitalists consume 48% of consumer goods
except that's not how it works? it means the workers have to work an extra half on hour to pay for their employer's labor. when that worker works 10 hours, he should ideally be able to buy something that requires 10 hours to produce. This is not the case, instead he is buying something that requires 0.52*10 hours to produce.

>>85013856
>redditors
>"left wing"
Half of them are fucking fed plants

>>85013812
all the leftist arguments ITT are
>"muh X"
>"haha I can't believe you believe that"
>shitty memes
>calling everyone they don't like /pol/
>ignoring arguments
>making appeals to authority like your post in order to appear like the more intelligent side

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>>85013818
>I got BTFO already so I'll just claim strawman and claim victory
Here, read this:
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/wilde-oscar/soul-man/

>>85013871
>read this biased propaganda
every time

>>85013870
all the rightist arguments ITT are
>"muh X"
>"haha I can't believe you believe that"
>shitty memes
>calling everyone they don't like cucks
>ignoring arguments
>making appeals to authority like your post in order to appear like the more intelligent side

>>85013836
allende wanted to kill millions
neck yourself reverse jew shill

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>>85013856
There's literally nothing wrong with brocialism though. You're grasping at straws here, you won't find your mythical SJW here as every communist on chans is proud of being an anti-idpol class reductionist brocialist.

>>85013842
>Why would you be proud of anything anyone else has done?
Because that's perfectly normal and the only time this is put into question is when we're talking about ethnic groups. If your gf says "hey anon I got the job I always wanted! aren't you proud of me" what do you respond? "No you dumb bitch you did that, not me, I can't possibly be proud of it". Of course not, because you understand that you don't necessarily need to have done something yourself, you just need a connection or sense of belonging towards those who did it. Of course you're not going to be as proud as her, because she was the one who actually did it but so what?
Stop it with this nonsensical weapon grade autism.
Also, "you" don't actually do shit. If you control for genes and SES while growing up, you basically can explain all of the variance in every aspect of your life.

>>85013696
>he just says you have to be aware of ideology
yet he isn't aware of his own brainwashed marxist ideology
hmm really makes you think

>Capitalism does not function without state intervention
Bullshit there were several examples in history of stateless capitalism like medieval iceland and the american midwest
also the less government there is, the more capitalist society is
stay mad

>It works in theory but not in practice.
Milton Friedman was a communist faggot that loved central banks.
How could you claim to be free market and socialize the most important thing in the economy, banking?

>"taking" money was never the point of socialism, it's to abolish it, it's not capitalism with wealth distribution
Okay?
Same exact thing applies.
If you took over the means of production and the workers got the profit instead, they would be in the same position because they consume the same amount of consumer goods.
This was my point.
Get gassed.

>Do you know what competition actually means?
Do you?

>buys up company after company
They can always try, it usually doesn't work out that way and without government patents and IP it's even more difficult.

>until there is almost no competition.
TOP KEK
Many examples of this were tried in history. It only created a MASSIVE profit opportunity for any company that could compete with the larger firms.
Countless "trusts" were broken by the free market this way.

>>85013896
the commie argument
>muh buzzword repeated 1000 times per sentence
>*posts internet link
>fuck you fascist!!!

>>85013868
That's literally the socialism subreddit.
>>85013902
>There's literally nothing wrong with brocialism though
It's as stupid as normal socialism when it comes to economics, it's only slightly less stupid than normal socialism when it comes to social issues.

>>85013723
Ahhhh so according to your logic africa is capitalism, china is capitalism because they have some private control over the means of production.

Again, you retards don't make sense.

Also there's nothing "new" about the current system.
Gas yourself poverty loving commie turd.

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>>85013885
>oh no how dare you challenge my worldview
Anything political is biased, you'd have to be a really dumb liberal to not understand this. It's by Oscar Wilde (so not marx or engels or lenin) and it's really short. Let me quote the part that deals with human nature.

>It will, of course, be said that such a scheme as is set forth here is quite unpractical, and goes against human nature. This is perfectly true. It is unpractical, and it goes against human nature. This is why it is worth carrying out, and that is why one proposes it. For what is a practical scheme? A practical scheme is either a scheme that is already in existence, or a scheme that could be carried out under existing conditions. But it is exactly the existing conditions that one objects to; and any scheme that could accept these conditions is wrong and foolish. The conditions will be done away with, and human nature will change. The only thing that one really knows about human nature is that it changes. Change is the one quality we can predicate of it. The systems that fail are those that rely on the permanency of human nature, and not on its growth and development. The error of Louis XIV. was that he thought human nature would always be the same. The result of his error was the French Revolution. It was an admirable result. All the results of the mistakes of governments are quite admirable.

If you have the time for it, read pic related, and then try to claim that communists "deny" basic instincts or human nature.

>>85013896
the problem with communists is that they are so deluded and brainwashed they argue as if everyone already agreed with them

>>85013818
You realize nobody has actually tried to defend Marxism ITT? It's a wasted effort. You don't discuss with autistic children. The thing is you guys literally get your information from con-artists like Molyneux or Lauren Southern, you don't actually know what you are talking about.

>>85013945
private control over the means of production IS capitalism though. Look up personal vs private property. If you don't want to I'll paste the definitions here for you.

>>85013957
TL:DR

>>85013842
>>85013678
>is a phoneposter
>hates white people
Checks out

>>85013899
>reverse jew shill
wew, how many layers of paranoia are you on
take your meds faggot

and refer to the image in >>85013696

>>85013921
>If you took over the means of production and the workers got the profit instead, they would be in the same position because they consume the same amount of consumer goods.
This was my point.
I will take this argument over to /pol/ to be scrutinized by their analytical minds

>>85013962
Daily reminder that almost all economists are neoliberal and that marxian economics is pseudo-science and that the only way to explain this away is to use flat-earth-tier rhetoric.

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>>85013769
>That is perfectly possible.
No it's not LOL
How ignorant and retarded are you.

Even with the tiny amount of cruise ships and mansions, it still makes up about 1-2% of the economy.

For it to be literally 50% of the fucking economy, half of production would have to go to building shit for the capitalist class.
CLEARLY this is not happening.

I mean, how dumb are you? holy fuck

>the stuff they consume is stuff that has way much more labor time put into it
lol oh you brainwashed marxists thinking all labour time is "equal"
an extremely small portion of the economy is geared towards making cruise ships
if what you were saying is true, it would be a booming industry. like 1 in 10 people would be making cruise ships or mansions when in reality, it's very little

why does reality make you so mad?

>>85013976
>dumb and proud
For your information, Kropotkin is backed by modern anthropologists as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evolution#Discussion

>>85013962
Who said anything about 'con-artists like Molyneux or Lauren Southern' you people are insane. You do realize that communism was widely despised BEFORE people like them came along?

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>>85013812
>>leftists bring up data, theory, factual information
BAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

I bet this is the same leftist that got destroyed by the countless arguments and factual data ITT.

You losers have fucking NOTHING and can NOT refute anything we've said.

Just K I L L YO U R S E L F already

>the state of /tv/
Jesus, this is pathetic. No matter what you think of Marxism and Communism it left a visible mark on all kinds of arts. You can discuss something without agreeing with it. I consider most of Hollywood films trashy entertainment but that doesn't mean I can't discuss the history of Hollywood or various movements influencing certain directors.

>>85014010
cruise ships aren't even upper class goods though