Raimi's Spider-Man 4

>>84981376
It wasn't a different time anymore. They just wouldn't allow his blatant racism as mere banter.

>>84981665
To be fair I heard the script he submitted had over 100 instances of the word "nigger"

>>84981720
It was a different time.

Raimiposting aside, here's the actual reason:

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>It really was the most amicable and undramatic of breakups: It was simply that we had a deadline and I couldn't get the story to work on a level that I wanted it to work. I was very unhappy with Spider-Man 3, and I wanted to make Spider-Man 4 to end on a very high note, the best Spider-Man of them all. But I couldn't get the script together in time, due to my own failings, and I said to Sony, "I don't want to make a movie that is less than great, so I think we shouldn't make this picture. Go ahead with your reboot, which you've been planning anyway." And [Sony co-chairman] Amy Pascal said, "Thank you. Thank you for not wasting the studio's money, and I appreciate your candor." So we left on the best of terms, both of us trying to do the best thing for fans, the good name of Spider-Man, and Sony Studios.

>>84981912
And then they made the amazing Spider Man movies
Fuck Amy Pascal and fuck sony

>>84981912
LOL if he had only known the rebot would be 100x worse than anything his worse attempt at spiderman 4

>>84981376
>you want to live in reality where Spider Man 4 exists and Spiderman is not played by a crooked tooth Brit.

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>>84981376
Vulture was originally going to be in Spider-man 3 as well.

>>84982669
Why the fuck are they so obssessed with the Vulture? He's the most underwhelming Spiderman villain. Kraven is much better.

>>84982746
There's no way you could make Kraven actually work in a Spidey film. He's way too camp if you don't go down the grimdark route, and nobody's going down the grimdark route because everybody's fed up of it.

How's the vulture in the mcu spidey?

>>84981665

Well it was because it was a different time

>>84983214
The best villain in the entire MCU

>>84983377
Is that an achivement?

>>84983214
He's /literally did nothing wrong/ tier

>>84983214
Quite good. Better than a lot of other MCU villains

>>84981376
Spiderman 3 should have ended with Venom's birth and he should have been the villain in Spiderman 4.

>>84981376
Homecoming doesn't really fit Raimi's Spider-Man. It's about a young, inexperienced Peter trying to prove his worth and find his place as a superhero. That story doesn't work for Raimi's Spider-Man after three movies.

>>84982746
The Vulture is Spider-Man's second super villain and a prominent member of Spider-Man's rogues gallery. He's been in just about every Sinister Six ever.

Vulture is a pretty logical choice after everything they've done. They weren't going to use Hobgoblin after using two Green Goblins (three counting Amazing), and can't really use Carnage after fucking up with Venom so bad, so the next viable candidates would be pretty much Vulture, Mysterio and Kraven. Kraven has probably the least interesting design for marketing/merchandising/toys, and Vulture is easier to do than Mysterio since it's just a guy with wings and you can Iron Man him up.

>>84981376
Vulture is the perfect villain to use as they pick at the dead corpse of this once beloved character

>>84982234
He absolutely did. He realized that the best way to immemorialize his trilogy was to step aside and let a much worse reboot make millions of fans miss him.

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>>84981912
>Thank you. Thank you for not wasting the studio's money
Oh, Pascal. If you only knew.

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>>84983764
>Mysterio
I've been waiting for this day

>>84983214
The best villain in a long list of mediocre-at-best ones. He has a character arc and stays true to it. He could have been explored a bit more, but what we got with Keaton was great.

>>84982822
I think if grimdark King Kong can still sell, they could probably do a movie with Kraven.

>>84981376
>Maybe he got tired of so much critism from the third movie?

never understood how spiderman 3 was any worse than the first two. NEver was a big fan of them, unlike some people here.

>>84986065
Great potential for a future/darker comeback too.

>>84982234
Nah, the remake was better.

Spiderman 2 was fucking retarded. Dude with superstrength punches the non-powered villain in the face in fear of losing his aunt, yet the villain doesn't go down.
There's at least two or three points in the movie where Doc Oc should have fucking died from a caved in face. It was completely retarded. The fights were completely meaningless.

>>84983377
He's even with Vanko, actually.
I wish Vanko was still alive.

Does anyone else love how the movie really fucks with your expectations? There's multiple scenes that subtly allude to well-known deaths in other moves and the cartoon, and yet none of the deaths happen. Even the Vulture, who got a fucking cliched "villain kills himself" scene survived?

>>84982746
I know, right? More like vulture boy haha

>>84986626
I just realised that Rourke is the only actor who was cast as two characters in the MCU.

>>84981376
I remember reading something about Spider Man 4 and it was going to be fucking terrible, I'm glad they stopped, but they should've stopped with Spider Man 2

Also Spider man 3 without venom was going to fail still, the general problem people have with the movie is "too many villains" but the original idea was going to have Sandman and The Vulture, and James Franco's Green Goblin was going to be a part of it since they were teasing that shit since the second movie

>>84983677
>Homecoming doesn't really fit Raimi's Spider-Man. It's about a young, inexperienced Peter trying to prove his worth and find his place as a superhero. That story doesn't work for Raimi's Spider-Man after three movies.

thats not the aspect of homecoming that's taken from SM4; its the vulture angle, and the vulture's daughter being a love interest.

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>>84981912
Sony Pictures summed up in one picture

>>84988791
>and the vulture's daughter being a love interest.
I loved how they used her race for bait and switch.

>>84989016
Sounds like a Rammi idea if you ask me.

>>84989016
Yeah, I did not see that coming at all

Has anyone did an edit of spiderman 3 cutting out the venom and black suit parts?

>>84988433
Who did he play apart from the Russian dude, though

>>84988883
kek
what was she talking about in this email?

>>84989311
Quill the blue mohawk guy in GotG

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>>84989332
She fucked up the negotiations for Fincher to direct the Steve Jobs movie because she wanted to save a few shekels. Basically the same thing she did with Raimi, got too greedy and put money before art, then regretted it because then the projects became disasters and they lost more money anyway. They never learn.

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>>84988433
>>84989311

Nobody, the only mcu movie he was cast is iron man 2.

I believe the only person that actually got cast twice as different characters is Alfre Woodard, she was in Civil War and Luke Cage playing different characters.

>>84989434

I hope you are just bating.

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>>84989745
Just checked, can't believe I confused Rourke with Rooker. Shit they even look similar.

>>84989611
Jesus Christ, that style of writing.

>>84989985
it's like poetry...

>>84989985
That's what I was thinking. How could someone so integral to the workings of a massive operation like Sony write like such a genuine retard?

>>84989611
SPIDER MAN 4 WAS FUCKING CLOSE
WHY DIDN'T MARVEL PICK IT UP?
A retired Peter Parker suiting up as Spiderman again would be nice.

>>84989670

cumberbatch played both the hero and villain in dr strange

>>84983214
Good actor. Horrible motivations and character arc. He's just a good boy trying to help his multicultural family.

>>84990241
That's neat

>>84990260
>Horrible motivations
Please explain your thought process behind this lmao. I thought his motivations were very well done and /didnothingwrong/ tier, like others have stated.

>>84990260
>Horrible motivations and character arc
You mean being a decent dude who just happens to have gotten fucked over by one of Stark's dick moves?