Spider-Man Homecoming Crashing

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Leave capeshit to me

This movie has Spider-Man and Iron Man and opened $10mil over Wonder Woman. By the end of the second weekend it'll already be behind Wonder Woman. Holy shit. Who knew a solid +1 years of Mouseketeer shitposting would come back to bite them this hard. Karma is real.

>>84979168

Mousecucks and critics. It literally at "93%" only slightly lower than War for the planet of the apes(yes I know the average rating is even lower).

Almost every one of the said the same thing "it's fun and exciting". Nothing about the visuals or editing or cinematography or score.

But watch as next when critics point out every minute flaw in Dunkirk or valerian and give it a negative rating for things they normally straight up ignore in Marvel crap. The audience seems to have less of a pleb taste than critics.

How much is this money goes to Sony?

>>84979813

Almost all of it.

>>84979700
Valerian is literally candy CGI the movie. Dunkirk will get 100% guaranteed.

I saw it, i liked it. On a different but related note, I was looking at some info about Homecoming, and IMDB mentioned that Wilson Fisk, Mister Hyde, and Frank Castle have all been mentioned in the MCU, but i must have missed these references, could someone help me out?

>>84979945

And most MCU films don't even have that. The only thing I would give it an edge is in dialogue.


And Dunkirk will probably settle around high to low 80s because critics as of late have become experts at nitpicking his films.

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>“The naysayers and dubious moviegoers reflect overtones of franchise fatigue and ‘what makes this one new?’ There are even bizarre references to racism and comparisons to today’s political and social spectrum,” points out Relish Mix. The social media monitor further adds, “Warhas a real problem with its cast. There really is no social star, although all credit to Andy Serkis for sharing on his Twitter feed and doing a massive amount of PR/interviews for the campaign. Woody Harrelson, the one name the film boasts, is not activated on his Facebook page. Steve Zahn is not activated. And the rest of the cast that is activated is minuscule (1.5M all in).”

What the fuck

>>84978796

FUCKING GOOD. Spider verse when

>>84978796

Pajeets please save us!

>>84979700
>But watch as next when critics point out every minute flaw

Why do critics have a filter over their eyes whenever they review a marvel flick, it baffles me what they let slide when it comes to marvel but would then use the same flaws as a
critique when concerning other movies

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TONY SAVE US

OUR FRANCHISE IS FLOPPING

WHO WILL PAY ALL THE SHILLS NOW????

>>84978796
maybe if they stopped making such shitty movies more people would want to go watch them

Spiderman is not a draw

>>84979966
Fisk and castle were both breddy gud villains in the daredevil netflix series, Hyde was in agents of shield

kek
KEK
K E K

It's good that audiences are waking up and seeing legitimately good movies like Apes instead

>>84980754
Not when the movies are shit lel

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>>84978796
Honestly I'm saving my money for the Emoji Movie

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>>84978796
>talks shit about how MCU movies only hit $1billion with RDJ (already done FOUR times)
>meanwhile not ONE DC movie has hit $1billion even a movie entitled BATMAN v SUPERMAN

>>84978796
>When you should have just called it Ironman 4

>>84981089
Why does Evans have the phoniest laugh? Like he always does the chest hold thing and like he's pissing himself on demand. Atleast Olsen acts like a human being.

>>84981229
Olsen looks at Evans and thinks "wtf are you doing phony stop it".

Olsen and Renner are the only two likeable people in the MCU.

>>84978796
Probably because of the terrible advertising that made the movie look, well, like a Sony movie. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Sony really was in charge of the advertising.

>>84980146
Deadline is obsessed with Social Media as the true face of advertising now. If it doesn't have social media presence among the cast, they use that as the reason a movie bombs each time.

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>>84978796
>>Sony/Marvel’s Spider-Man: Homecoming is estimated to file $47.4M in weekend 2 which is lower than the industry expected, but its 60% slide is on par with the second weekend declines of Amazing Spider-Man 2 (-61%) and Spider-Man 3 (-62%).
D-did these certified, undeniable shills just congratulate themselves because this dumpster fire of a movie is dropping just like TASM2 and SM3, two movies that KILLED their respective franchises?

>>84978796
Movie failed because villain is who-tier. Ive never heard of this vulture guy. What happened to venom/doc oc/ goblin?

>>84981089

> Not one DC movie.

What are TDK and TDKR?

>>84980983
kekek

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>>84981782
Th-this is impossible!

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>>84982141
DELETE THIS

Meth, it is a good movie and if they do not fuck it iup, the sequel will make money.

>>84982182
>sonyggers

>>84982206
>the sequel

you mean the reboot

>>84978796

>Let me tell you something, Peter. You patent everything or some greasy kike is going to try to steal your work with the help of a dirty Russian immigrant.

>>84979168
Just watch Thor 3 breaking charts. The problem here is Sony, not the mouse.

>>84981089
>Be Marvel
>Getting BTFO in comics
>Getting BTFO in animation
>Getting BTFO in television
>Getting BTFO in video games
>Now getting BTFO in movies, the last place where something with the name Marvel was doing better than its competition.
>Ignore TDK and TDKR's $1bil.
>Desperately cling to RDJ's rapidly fading star power and Disney's legion of bloggers to inflate their RT score and serve as their media attack force.
I've never seen something so

JUST
U
S
T

>>84978796
The problem is Spider-Man. Millenials hate him and Marvel's in house decisions have really made his entire core base furious since they put Dan Slott in charge of Amazing way back when.

>>84978796
I liked it but I don't think there was enough hype and good marketing. People glaze over a bit with spiderman because it's been done so many times and the trailers weren't 'epic' enough or 'hilariously quippy enough'. It was a tough sell.
It seemed closer to antman in it's vibe even though spiderman's such a big hitter. Better than antman though but didn't feel very big and not like the 'mustsee movie of the summer' like some of the other marvel films

>>84978796
all the shilling and the "critics" claiming that tom holland is the real spider man
in the end sam raimi's films spoke for themselves

>>84982206
so you're saying the movie can only be enjoyed on meth?

>>84982305
You mean Gen Z.
The movie was subpar, I rewatched SM1 and SM2 and the shills saying HC is better should just neck themselves.

>>84978796
>the way they talk about it like it's a massive success
I hope they're paid.

>>84978796
>over $300m in just over a week
>hasn't even opened in china, germany, japan etc.

Yeah it's really fallen flat on it's face. Another movie losing money for Sony. They probably won't even make a sequel at this rate.

>>84982281
>Spider-Man and Iron Man are struggling.
>Surely THOR will save us!
LMAO

>>84982295
>getting btfo in animation
>implying DC's animated movies have been good in years with the exception of gods and monsters

>>84982332
>140M+ reported spent on marketing
>not enough

>>84978796

>It's true, Tony! New York is filled with niggers and your prized "diversity" push just makes everything worse! Why the hell did I listen to you when you asked me to side with the UN? They're globalist scum, and what are you? A billionaire who lives in lavish seclusion who never deals with the reality of his own ideals!

>>84979945
>>84980126

Critics don't want one direction fans declaring jihad on them Dunkirk will get a pass

>>84982362
>Spider-Man and Iron Man are struggling in a sony cheap looking movie

fixed for you

Is a miracle even it got any, dude, this is the 6th SM movie in 15 years, the third reboot

>>84982353
>china will save it I s-swear
The state of Marvel Cinematic Universe everyone

>>84982347
Clearly it's the millennials who remember the raimi films well and have since grown up and don't like how spiderman's changed that aren't fans. For example, yourself unless you are just an old gen z

Disney/Sony were too cocky, thinking they could ward off War for the Planet of the Apes on just their second weekend. fools

anyway seeing War Apes today lol

>>84982305

His brand is also oversaturated. The only way people can make it more interesting is if they focused more on his villains but the MCU couldn't create a great villain to save it's life.

This is why Bats has remained quite powerful despite his ups and downs. If he becomes stale his villains can carry a film by themselves like in TDKR and to some extent TDK(even of it is shittily made like SS).

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>mfw comparing it with other Spider-Man movies
>mfw comparing it with other movies with Iron Man

At what point underperforming becomes flopping again?

>shills LITERALLY tried to sell us the "Holland is the definitive Spidey" narrative
Get fucked Sony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1etvYj6aPqY

>>84982378
>good marketing
It didn't feel very blockbustery or exciting. It felt like marketing for a much more middling sized
and uneventful film. The tone wasn't right

YAS QUEEN SLAYYYYYY

>>84978796

Reminder that the reason we don't have the spectacular spiderman animated series is because of Disney and now they have given you this.

>>84982412

It's funny when they claim it on Star Wars and get btfo

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>-73%
what did spiderman mean by this?

>>84982374
Justice league dark was quite good imo

>WW is a better movie than SM:H and GotG2
>WW makes more money in the relevant countries
I don't see the issue here

>>84982402
Thor's CGI doesn't look much better and no one gives a fuck about him.

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>>84978796
>Yeah MCU Spider-Man's drop is much bigger than expected, but it's perfectly in-line with two Spider-Man movies that killed their franchises!
Who the fuck wrote this?

>>84982182
>fact
Kek

>>84979966
Watch Daredevil on Netflix you pleb.

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>>84978796
>>84982529
>>84982560

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>>84982612
I'M GOING UNDER

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Apes together strong

>>84982612
>already behind Wonder Woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIFLtNYI3Ls

>>84982612
Fuck, at least GOTG2 stayed ahead of WW for a while.

>>84982412
On it's current trajectory it wouldn't even need China to be profitable.

>>84982662
>i can't read numbers

>>84982742
>$13.6M is not behind $15.7M

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Another Friday, another 33% drop for Wonder Woman to 2.01 million. Should do 7 for the weekend, down around 28-30% to get to 380.8 million.

It will be passing Guardians of the Galaxy 2 by next Sunday.

>>84982281
>Thor
>Hulk
>Strange
>Goldblum
It better my dude

>>84978796
My problem with it was that it seemed like yet another American teen high-school movie. Do HS movies ever do well? I haven't heard of one doing well outside of America. This, combined with the Spiderman being such an annoying quipping fucktard that I cheered when Cap thrashed him in CW, just put me of going to see. this.

Seriously, "homecoming", who thought that was a good title outside America?

le no whites allowed spiderman

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>>84982612
Someone stop these women! They're murdering everyone that comes close!

>>84982612
That's brutal. It's dropping so hard that it was making more midweek than in friday. Summer midweek is always stronger but still, that's the picture of a movie collapsing

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>>84982650
>Caesar WEAK
>Parker weaker

>>84982568
lol have you seen the trailer? They outreddited GOTG2. It's going to print massive dosh

>>84979945
It'll probably be a snoozefest, but (((critics))) will give it a good review to remind the goyim that Germans are bad.

>>84983569
Germans are bad

>>84978796

It was a really good movie. So who cares?

>The MCU is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.

I wish people like you would shoot yourselves in the head.

>>84978796
HHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
inhales
WHWHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHA
breathes heavily
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...
almost dying
...
weeeeeeeze
Oh god...one last time...
AHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>84982650

I thought Planet of the Apes was racist?

>>84978796
Why didn't they just make the Raimi Spider-Man films canon in the MCU and bring back Toby.

Spider-Man 4 would've made over $1 billion easily.

>domestic

lol who cares

>>84983569
>He would rather watch Nazi films that make his own family and country the bad guys

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When will he be back to save us?

>>84983660
because they target children audience

>>84983619
You're a big guy...

>>84978796
Honestly OP it feels like maybe capeshit is finally dying down, yeah BvS is actually still the biggest movie in awhile, I mean Transformers is worse than BvS and it makes money so maybe its not...exactly that BvS was bad but maybe people are secretly getting tired of capeshit.

>>84978796
The movie made profit right after opening weekend. I think they'll be fine.

>>84983660
Wouldn't he be a bit old now and why wouldn't he have appeared in the other MCU movies?

>>84983660
>Stark recruits adult Peter who runs an subsidiary of Stark industries.
>Peter is semi retired, but has been suiting up more lately, allowing Stark to figure out its him.
>Helps in CW
>Spiderman 4 is about him as an adult juggling his responsibility to his family, work, and Spiderman with some new villain.

Could have been so great

Sony always win.

>>84982957
SORCERESSES

>>84982650
3 movies with CG apes that are more engaging than the MCU cast.

Monkino > Quipkino

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>tfw we don't live in a world where Spider-Man 3 was 2 separate films
Fucking Sony

>>84982612
Based Wonder Woman, the scope of the btfo both Marlel and its internetshill playground that is /tv/ has been mythical.

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>tfw you're living in a timeline where people worship chinks and poos to save their movies
Christ, have some dignity.

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How much money will it take Marvel and Sony to convince Raimi to come back and direct the sequel?

>>84980146
>>84981617
How much stock do theybown in Facebook?

People are just overestimating how popular Spider-man is and had expectations that were way too high. It says right there that it's doing as well as the Spider-man movies before it did so I don't know why everyone thought it would do so much better than that

>>84984363
The new suit is just so shit, what the fuck.

>>84983907
They haven't broken even yet

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>>84982579
>>84978796
>1st series bombs after three movies
>2nd series bombs after two
>3rd series....

>>84984363
I can understand the suit being CGI in Civil War, but why did they have to CGI the shit out of it for the majority of Homecoming as well. Looks fucking awful.

>>84983907
Sony spent $140 million on marketing, m8

>>84984457
Spiderman is the biggest superhero icon after batman and superman

>>84984545
>$140+ millions
Fixed. We'll never know what that "+" means.
Also it's reported that it's the highest marketing in recent years.

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>>84984335
>naming your female Iron Man after a Japanese porn parody
Bravo, Brian

>>84983688
Hollywood does you dumb fuck

>>84984457
>I don't know why everyone thought it would do so much better than that
You're kidding right? That manlet on the poster is the only thing making billions in the MCU and this shit is going to make less than a talking raccoon space comedy. It's going to get make less domestically than fucking Wonder Woman

This is embarrassing. This was supposed to be Marvel's BvS and unless they pull a Transformers and it's saved by the chinks and their abysmal taste in movies, it's going to underperform even more

>>84984611
Some /tv/ posters actually think that foreign matters more, for some reason.

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>>84984457
Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 made over $1 billion each adjusted for inflation and unadjusted they aren't that far off from that mark. Spider-Man is the biggest superhero when it comes to merchandising. He's a popular character. There just has not been a great film in 13 years.

>>84984630
It needs to do a fuckton on money in chinkland to be actually "saved". 25% isn't that much, if you think about it.

Why is spiderman red and blue? Is he a crystal palace fan?

>>84984695
nah Barca m8

>>84984695
A Superman fan.

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>S-save us China!
is this a transformers movie?

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>>84984805
>S-save us India!
>"discreetly" put an Indian wedding in the movie
>headlines: HOMECOMING IS A MASSIVE SUCCESS IN INDIA!
>check
>10millions or so

>>84984805
Why on earth didn't' Malcolm hit that?

>>84984457
>this sonygger damage control

Always the same retarded narrative "b-but we're just the underdog, spiderman is just a niche superhero it still made money anyway"

>>84984580
>Also it's reported that it's the highest marketing in recent years.
Probably, I'm seeing this shit everywhere

>all these brainless blockbusters getting 90~% on RT
Truly the worst thing to happen to cinema is Rotten Tomatoes

will Marvel finally understand that highschool Peter doesn't work?

>>84984805
>S-save us China!
Actually they hope India save them.

>>84980983
Tony Stark was literally in the movie for 15 minutes. Iron man himself was in two scenes. That shot of them flying away together isn't even in the movie.

>>84985062
>will Marvel finally understand that highschool Peter doesn't work?

Except it does work. This movie proves it works, and works extremely well.

>>84985009
>people not understanding how RT works
That means 90% of critics were like: "Yeah it was okay" not that critics gave that film 9/10.

>>84985333
It proved the opposite.

>>84980780
>>84982600
So Netflix DD is MCU? I thought it existed in its own continuity?

When i say penis you say parker

PENIS

>Yet another Marvel movie that critics praised to stay hip and cool. And because the fear of the Disney Blacklist.

Let's be real, the entire MCU has been on a downward decline since Phase 2. People are getting really tired of all the interlinked movies. Hell, huge numbers of my personal Social Circle have given up on them because they're so interconnected.

People want an actual full movie. Not trailers for the future that detract from the main movie and leads to Amazing Spider-Man 2 clusterfucks.

>>84985534
Yeah they mention the events of avengers assemble in the netflix series because they take place in New York

>>84985591
>Shut the fuck up you nigger!

I'm glad they at least kept some of the Raimi spirit.

>>84985333
Just the opposite, it shows college and young adult Peter works far better.

Rammi really got it right.

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>>84985591
>mfw that part was censored in my theater, also Zendaya´s middle finger was cut out.

>>84985695
Is that in AmeriKKKa?

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>>84979700
So much fucking this.

Also checked.

>>84984645
To be fair, Hollywood isnlooking overseas more and more as domestic driez up. Plus we have our impending Chinese overlods buying up studios and demanding ticket sales.

>>84985333
it proves literally the opposite.

>Jew company vs. Jew company
DC is le redpilled tho /ourguy/ 4chan the movie fellow pedes XD

>>84978796
Shouldn't have made your Spider-Man movie some agenda pushing bullshit.
All you have to do is have Spider doing his normal shtick, not politically correcting everything.

>>84985896
It would also have helped if the new suit wasn't so shitty.

D23 THREAD FAGGOTS

GET IN HERE

>>84985561
>>84985561
>>84985561

Is anyone really surprised? It was marketed basically as Iron Man 4 with a guest cameo Peter Parker.

For a long time, Civil War had the same type of marketing. Where they played up RDJ even more than the main lead of the movie.

Once RDJ leaves after infinity War the MCU is going to tank. It'll survive but will be nowhere near what it's at.

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Age of marvel is over

The time of DC has come

>>84985876
What is this pedes thing?
I've never understood where it comes from and I don't want to have to go on know your meme

>>84978796
It's the best superhero and Spider-Man film created so far.

>>84981229
Evans is very easily amused. He strikes me as the kind of guy to laugh at loud at everything.

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>>84985999

>>84981426
I disagree. I legit like RDJ, but I also believe that he and Favreau are subtly sabotaging the MCU for being such massive sell-outs.

I freely admit this is headcanon, but it seems to me that they wanted to explore the whole "Demon in a bottle" aspect of Tony's character. There could be no one finer for that than RDJ, and it might even be cathartic for him, but Iron Man 2 appears to start down that path and then do a not-so-subtle 180 and it's never been mentioned since. Know what happened mid-production of Iron Man 2? The Disney deal was finalized.

If that's true, then RDJ has been slyly crippling the enterprise for being nutless wonders and holding their feet to the fire with the indisputable fact that "Hollywood Showman of the Year" Feige notwithstanding, it was RDJ that put wheels on the gravy train.

>>84978796
>>Likely end lower than BvS and SS domestically, which you spent the better part of the year trashing but still made tons of money.


by the way, I'll never tire of repeating it, MoS and BvS were Quality super hero movies. Only Nolan Batman movies are in the same league- even if Batman there was a little bit too boy scoutish and not intimidating at all except the first movie

After all this talk of the short guy being a hard to believe bully, his character was better than expected. He wasn't a bully, he was just a spoiled dickhead. I could totally buy him behaving like that. There wasn't even a sense that he was popular. He was just another nerd

>>84986216
>Batman vs Superman
>comparable to spiderman goes to prom
wat

Iron Man 1 was a fluke they made basically ad libbing the script and telling the producers to fuck off between RDJ, Bridges and Favreu. The rest of the Phase 1 movies were shit and flopped. After that they just copied that plot structure and that character, both found by chance, into what has come to be known as "the formula".

This is not "superhero fatigue". This is MCU fatigue. Logan did great, GotG2 did great (it's MCU but not as formulaic) and WW did great. This is the only capeshit underperforming. And it's because it's derivative shit that we have already seen 14 times. Say what you want about BvS, that same movie, everything just the same, with Spider-Man and Iron Man instead of the DC characters, introducing Carol instead of WW, would do MUCH better than the original BvS and much much better than this piece of shit,

>>84982305
Anyone can get behind Spider-Man at its core. The problem is the people that own the property. The comics have been shit for 10 years outside of random supplementary runs, the last good animated show had an off-putting style to most and died at its peak due to the buyout by Disney. With the movies, you have ASM and ASM2 in recent memory serving as some of the worst flicks of the genre, period. There's an initial buzz for casual moviegoers when it comes to Homecoming. It's good a connection to Marvel flicks, and that's enough for them. But I think that it's too alien to actual fans, and while a decent movie in its own right, there's better stuff to watch in theaters right now. People love Spider-Man. People want the franchise doing well on any given medium, but nobody in charge knows what to do with the character without changing him to where he's unrecognizable.

Quesada's damage to the comicbook brand lingers to this day, perpetuated by Slott. In the movies, Sony's damage to the brand has forced the hands of every creator involved. It's a bad time to be a Spider-Man fan.

>>84986277
Yea but he wasn't a 1-to-1 rip off the comics/Raimi movies so everyone on here goes into an autistic rage anyways

>>84986402
It's got a connection*

>>84986318
>It's not like Spider-Man and Iron Man were popular anyway!
This and "It's just a movie about a talking racoon and tree! LOL" excuse after GotG2 came nowhere near a billion after mouse dicksuckers endlessly hyped that idea as an inevitable fact before release never ceases to make me laugh.

>>84986318
This, Batman and Spider-Man are equally popular but Iron Man is more popular than Superman. This shit should be making much more than Batman v Superman

>>84985985

So we're entering the dark times?

>>84978796
Christ, the greenscreen in that shot is just so painfully obvious. Did Lucas direct this?

>>84986504
Fuck off.

>>84986462
>>84986473
A movie where 2 of the most iconic superheros of all time fight each other. Something countless people argue about who would win.
vs
Spiderman takes down an arms dealer with cameos from ironman

hmmm really makes you think

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>mfw every criticism of the movie is countered with "B-But Sony!!"

>>84983718
Too late. What's Raimi been up to lately, anyway? He always said he was dissatisfied with 3 and wanted to make the 4th and final movie the one to top them all. The cast is much older now, but could you imagine them all coming back and blowing the superhero movie landscape out again? Fuck.

>>84978796

Well yeah. There comes a point when even the dumbest monkey can see that Marvel is just making the same movie with the same quips over and over again.

>>84983853
Transformers just flopped too, my dude.

>>84986473
>Batman and Spider-Man are equally popular but Iron Man is more popular than Superman
What the fuck are you talking about. Spiderman is the most popular superhero in the world by a huge margin, and IM isn't nearly as popular as Superman even if you include the explosion in popularity since the MCU

Guess its over.

New reboot when?

>>84986473
>This shit should be making much more than Batman v Superman
The fact that this movie has Marvel's most popular character, has the highest paid per movie actor in Hollywood, makes it heavily known that it's connected to a popular franchise, and has glowing reviews that go out of its way to actually shit on beloved pior films to make it look good yet is still likely going to make less than not one but TWO films that had a legion of brand loyalists shit on for over a year is embarrassing to an unbelieveable degree.

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Was this shot as good on cinema as in the rip. Great acting, great change in light.

Really weird 70s texture feel to it.

>>84982295
>>84982374
>MC cancels EMH to paddle the movie sort of tie in
Shot themselves in the foot tbqh.

The whole mcu will crash after IW the interest won't be there anymore

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so shitposts aside, what was actually wrong with Homecoming? All the /tv/ threads seemed to be praising it for being a refreshing take on both the tired Spiderman format and the superhero format. Or maybe those were all shills.

>>84986662

>Spiderman is the most popular

It aint the 90s anymore

>>84978796
> Making almost the same amount that WW 3rd Weekend
kek

>>84986784
You seem to assume bad movies get bad figures and good movies get good ones.

That's not how it works. From what I hear its a good film. I just don't care, its the 3rd reboot in 10 years. The film is very clearly made with commercial interests in mind so even if its good, I just cant be bothered.

But that's just me. I think it applies to others too, people just don't care anymore after so many reboots.

>>84985988
It started with those Can't Stump the Trump MLG parody videos which used Centipede by Knife Party for the music. The Donald started calling themselves 'pedes because of those videos because reddit is retarded. It's the alt-right version of 'when does the narhwal bacon'

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>>84986815
Spiderman merch brings in well over a billion dollars in retail sales. No other superhero even comes close, even if you include the Avengers as one unit. Stop being retarded

>>84986784

It was just bad. Story was bland, all action focused, lots of quips at the wrong time as usual which turns down any sense of danger, no character building at all just memes of characters. The forced diversity didn't help either, none of the token coloreds are good actors. It's basically just a mediocre standard Marvel movie which is a step up from a standard Sony capeshit movie, I guess.

>>84981229
his laugh is pretty contagious

him almost breaking while talking about patience was the movie's best part

>>84986571
Yeah marvel wasted the popularity of the characters more.

>>84986925
>The forced diversity didn't help either, none of the token coloreds are good actors
Might as well have just opened with that so no one had to bother to read the rest of your trite, bullshit criticisms

>>84986402
>there's better stuff to watch in theaters right now.

Like what? Is Apekino out yet? I honestly have no idea what is coming out besides Dunkirk, which I cannot escape seeing ads for.

>>84986571
It's also going to make less than Suicide Squad.

>>84986784
I watched a camrip but trying to be as unbiased as possible:
a) It starts at a point in which PP is already Spiderman, which is fine since people will get tired of getting told the same story thousands of times, but the fact is that his origins are unclear. Uncle Ben is never mentioned anywhere, so what are his motivations? His whole character is unclear because they tried to change so much of the formula. Was this explained in the other movie he was in? I don't know because I don't follow closely the MCU.
b) Instead of trying to be a good, conclusive movie focused on Spiderman, it spends half the movie trying to tie it in with the MCU. This is incredibly backwards. What you want to do is to create an engaging character, and then tie it in with the rest of engaging characters that form part of the universe. In this movie they assumed Spiderman was already engaging and cool so from the get-go they tried to shoehorn him with the rest of the universe, despite the fact that this is the less interesting Spiderman in the history of Spiderman movies, with Garfield at least they bothered to shot his origins so it was an actual character (I think Holland is fine as an actor though).
c) The plot never has any gravity to it. You never feel Spider-man is making sacrifices and being a hero. Aunt May is fine, doesn't have economical problems, and apparently Ben didn't exist and die in this universe.
He doesn't choose being a hero over his social life. MJ already likes him, plenty of people are nice to him -included the girl he likes- he skims on the contest because he had to do Spider-man stuff but they won the contest so it never feels like he made any sacrifice to begin with. And if shit goes wrong you know Tony Stark is here to bail him out whch takes out all the stress.

I'd say the worst part is that they tried to make a fun, quippy movie with no stakes and tension at all, and that's antiethic to Spiderman in my opinion.

>>84986962
not him but the movie's first two lines is "old white man isnt keeping with the PC times"

>>84986962

Keep wondering why nobody cares about the movie then. All the criticism is pretty valid.

>>84986992
> Is Apekino out yet?

Yes, my friend.

>>84987000
Suicide squad had very effective marketing before it came out and then even the film was like one long trailer. I don't think they could do as well with a sequel

>>84987017
To add more since post limit:
a) The motivation you extract from the movie is that he wants to be a Avenger and be cool. This is a valid motivation, but this doesn't make him endearing.
The point of Spiderman is reponsibility, changing it to "I want to be a cool superhero" is replacing the character completely.
b) The most glaring consequence of this is that Iron-Man is more engaging to watch in the movie than Spider-man himself.

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>>84986571
> Comparing Bronze superman and silver batman medals to the Gold champion Spider Man of Ameriburger culture throughout most of his lifetime
>His first 2 movies adjusted for inflation are billion dollar box office hits
>Spidey 1 = $1,105,224,977.77 in 2017
>Spidey 2 =$1,016,388,189.52 in 2017
>Somehow flops in front of the 2 "you tried" medalist
>Not bad

>>84987047
I don't care about the movie, but I'm not getting triggered by an accurate portrayal of a public school in Queens.

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>>84987107
>Bronze superman and silver batman medals to the Gold champion Spider Man of Ameriburger culture

>>84982556
I agree. I watched it last week and enjoyed the shit out of it.

3 girls in the shot, you think the blonde cutie is the one being looked at
>it's the black girl
hahahahahahahahaha

>>84987119
>accurate portrayal of a public school in Queens.
lmao

>>84986923

His toys and merch sells because it floods walmart and 3rd world countries yes but the comic industry is circling the drain even manga outsells them

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>>84981890
Who tier?
The vulture is one of the greatest villains of all time

>>84982529
Holy shit.

>>84983569
Yes, that's why Angela Merkel is so well-loved by liberals, some of whom are critics.

>>84987017
>What you want to do is to create an engaging character, and then tie it in with the rest of engaging characters that form part of the universe.
This exactly, and that's what Marvel did in Phase I and why people shit on Hawkeye so much at the time of Avengers 1, he was the only one not to have his own story and the forced romance with Widow was cheap. Widow sucked too but she had been in IM2 at least. Then in Phase II we got Winter Soldier all fleshed out and expansions on Thor, Cap and Iron Man. For Phase III Ant-Man had a very solid debut.
But lately all of these Marvel movies have been boring because they start off with SHIELD shenanigans right away, versus a 2 minute Nick Fury cameo at the end. Spider Man is the worst offender because Marvel skipped the origin and decided against giving any real character in place of it, instead filling the time with Iron Man.

>>84987107
>Comparing Bronze superman and silver batman medals to the Gold champion Spider Man of Ameriburger culture throughout most of his lifetime
the only reason Spider-Man is the 'most popular' superhero is because of third worlders, actually.

>>84978796
It just wasn't that good a movie force diversity aside. The story was boring and the plot sucked. And this is coming from a huge cape shit lover.

>>84987017
>You never feel Spider-man is making sacrifices and being a hero.
this is honestly the thing I think that makes Spiderman special and why I think Spider Man 2 is the best. Being a hero is not easy, you have to make sacrifices to your own life. Most superhero movies are like billionaires or demigods or aliens so this doesnt apply to them but Peter is just a normal guy from Queens who is also Spiderman. So when you see things like him only having 20 dollars to pay rent and deciding to fight crime later that night instead of getting another part time job, you really see what it means to be a hero. When Peter struggles to even go to class on time and gets so frustrated he throws away the suit for a moment. Moments like these is what makes him a hero.

"With white power comes great responsbility" - Raimi

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>>84987235
don't pretend you know anything about the city bumpkin, you're not fooling anyone

>>84987440
Jesus christ Bob, "the city" isnt your hick ideal of a cosmopolitan sophisticated future-land of diversity

>>84987387

Yeah. Raimi movies had great character development. He portrayed the character's struggles, what he did to cope with them, and the results of his actions.

The new Spiderman movies are just.. yeah bland, I guess. It's all "funny hijinks" with a lot of quips lest the movie gets too serious. It almost feels like they were trying to lure in young people who want to self-insert as Peter Parker. The character is so bland it could be anyone.

>>84978796

So is /tv/ finally ready to admit that Batman is the most popular hero in the world or are we still clinging to that misleading chart from 2014?

>>84978796
This was honestly a 6/10 at best. It deserves to come crashing down.

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>>84982845
DAMN IT WHY IS SHE SO CUTE!?

>>84987542
why would /tv/ not admit Batman is the most popular hero in the world? Hes fucking Batman. I mean you never utter the phrase "Hes fucking Superman" or "Hes fucking Ironman"

why do people get so anal over box office, its retarded. Nobody gives a shit. And your favourite comic kino winning an Oscar for makeup isn't cause for celebration

>>84987493
Queens is the most ethnically diverse urban area in the country. Most of the wealthy white people that live there go to private school, so public school actually does look like that. Sorry that it triggers you to see brown people getting an education

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>>84982957
Patty's a PILF.

Patrician I'd like to fuck.

>>84985311

Yeah but he was in all the marketing and even then when he wasn't on screen Peter was looking for ways to prove himself to him

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>>84987663
actually its the most diverse urban area in the world, but don't let that stop /pol/ from freaking out over a couple of niggers and pajeets

>>84982612
Am I reading this right? Didn't people say WW was doing better than Galaxy 2 or was I lied to?

>>84983998
See? Was that so fucking hard?

I'd have been all over that.

>>84980632
Its a different grading. They are Disney films so they just grade them like they would a children's movie.

>>84987542
I dont think anyone questions batmans no.1 status anon

>>84987760
No lies broheim, just scroll down.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&day=num&id=2017superhero.htm

>>84982374
Judas Contract was great. Even had loli Terra.

>>84978796
excuses and thinkpieces from liberal media about how white Spider-Man is old and tired and they should've gone with Miles when?

>>84987642
well in this case the box office actually does determine whats going to happen, I mean the box office killed off ASM

>>84987760
thats just the first two weeks, WW has long legs and beat it further down the line

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>>84984335
This is why I'll always respect Ayer and by extension WB. They may have rushed him to the market on Suicide Squad, but they let them keep the Japanese character wearing a literal Japanese flag as a mask and using magic and communing with the spirits of the dead.

Why?

Because fuck China, that's why. I have never seen a clearer "fuck you" in my whole life.

>>84987663
detroit is the most diverse actually

>>84980126
Nolan films are usually very flawed.

Expect Marvel to backtrack pretty damn hard in a few more weeks.

They've already started with the MJ thing. I fully expect them to blame Sony for any under performance. We're probably not going to get anything outside one sequel to homecoming in the infinity Wars moments with Spidey.

The Venom and blackcat movie being Sony only and not connected to the MCU speaks volumes.

I fully expect Marvel to wash their hands of the whole affair.

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>>84984762
This. Spidey's been mirin Supes for years.

>>84984910
India have their own movie industry for entertainment.
Why would they watch hollywood garbage?

>>84987854
Already starting on blogs. Give the mainstream media another week.

I would not be surprised to see a Miles reboot.

>>84981890
>never heard of the vulture

Nigga are you fucking kidding me

>>84987829
>>84987880

Thanks, great to see her doing well, the movie wasn't that great and Gal is a shitty WW but at least we finally have a movie. I'll never understand why DC ignored her for so long.

Talking about merch. WW stuff sells a lot here.

>>84985333
Highschool Spidey is perfectly fine. What's not perfectly fine is raping virtually every other aspect of his character, and it started back in Civil War.

>>84982901
>Seriously, "homecoming", who thought that was a good title outside America?

The title was pure arrogance. They deserve this under performance

>>84983718
Old man Parker movie when

>>84983998
We need a. One more day spider man movie

>>84988073
>tfw MoS and BvS still triggers atheifags with the religious symbolism
>Nostalgia cuck and Flustered pedro actually fought each other over it

The question is: will Sony even be around in a few years. Their movie section has done terribly last few years with multiple big bombs. They are in last place of the six major Studios.

Literally only the PS4 is keeping them afloat.

>>84982281

it's not sony, it's just franchise fatigue. There's always a drop when the previous movie sucks. Doesn't matter if the current one is good, the interest isn't there. ASM2 sucked, doesn't matter this is not connected, the last spider-man was no good, why would people go see the next one? It happened with star trek, x-men, james bond. People lose interest. It works the other way too, if the previous move is good, the next one does well, no matter if its good or bad.

>>84986160
I still cant believe we never got a demon in the bottle movie it would have been perfect for rdj

>>84988297
Probably not. After the Emoji Movie tanks (and we all know it will) I expect them to sell off the movie division.

However don't expect their rights to go back with Marvel. I could see them setting up shell corporations so that the execs keep control over the Spidey IP.

If anyone is familiar with the ADV anime company, when they dissolved they set up multiple organizations to keep licenses they had going under their control. Even during the middle of bankruptcy. Pissed off the Japanese mightily and is the main reason we haven't seen Eva get a Blu-ray release.

>>84988297
They also have Sony Music, their camera division and the banking/insurance division.

>>84988297
Paramount is close behind. They no longer have their biggest franchise (Bayformers) to depend on. T5 has been out for more than a month and hasn't even hit $600 million. Well they still have Mission Impossible I guess.

>>84985062
>will Marvel finally understand that diversity casting doesn't work?
fix that for you. people didn´t avoid the movie because of the plot. they saw the ugly looking cast and decided to skip it

>>84986277
Let me tell you what's wrong with that.

Making Flash a classic bully, someone from the same social and economic strata as Pete makes him jealous of Pete's brains. Pete can win a Flash like that over by proving that whatever he seems to lack in brawn, he makes up for in pure heart. Pete can help that Flash, help him maybe pass some exams, stay on the football team, get a good scholarship, get some education and lift himself up. They can have a genuine heartfelt friendship that grows over the course of a couple of movies.

Rich dickhead that's almost as smart as Parker and jealous of him for it? Pete can do nothing for that guy he can't already do for himself. What's the best Pete can realistically do, help him get into a *slightly* more prestigious school? Be still, my fucking heart.

It was a dumb as fuck decision. The only thing they could possibly do to rectify it is have "Flash" and his family lose all their money. But even then, it just doesn't have that same "working class heroes" vibe.

>>84988530
The Disney buyout prevented them from going down a darker more somber path. I agree, it would have been perfect for RDJ. Remember, Disney found a formula and will smother it into the ground.

It's one reason I'm frankly terrified for the remainder of the Star Wars Anthology movies. They need to be bold and different.

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> homecoming is on par with the decline of the movies that killed the last two spider man franchises.

>>84978796
does this mean that they are gonna go with a less "diverse" casting choice next time

>>84987017
This seems like you didint feel anything for the character. Some key things you need to remember Spiderman is only 15 being a super hero is really cool for a q5 year old. He did make lots of choices sacrificing social life. Literally cockblocks himself everytime. He is a kid growing up dealing with social problems at school and throughout this movie he learns that he needs to be responsible. The atm fight had consequences the guys deli he goes to got destroyed. There was weight to that also a good reason why he wants to go after the people who designed the weapon. Also he sacrificed his possible relationship to stop the bad guy. Plus that car ride scene was intense.

>>84983718
If they'd ever have the balls to do a Spiderverse movie.

>>84988297
they need to kick out every (((american))) in a leading position and replace them with Japanese if they want it to survive
going for the sjw bugs has almost ruin them

>>84988627
>I'm frankly terrified for the remainder of the Star Wars Anthology movies

I would like go that hope.

After Kathleen Kennedy was revealed to be a huge micromanager, any hope for a viable Star Wars franchise is pretty much moot after episode 9.

>>84981890
>Underage confirmed

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>>84986571
Protip:

No comics fans have any doubt about who wins in a no-holds-barred fight between Bats and Supes. Every scenario where Bruce lives longer than a couple of nanoseconds is predicated on Superman holding back.

Fact.

>no dceu movie has even approached a billion
>not even batman suoerman and Wonder Woman
>3 marvel movies have made a billion plus

You guys are cute

>>84988865

So we just ignore the Nolan movies?

>>84988297
Nintendo market value passed Sony. People think it's normal it's just competition and all that shit but it's really not. Nintendo is a small toys company of 5000 employes that can't even release their products worldwide and that isn't doing particularly well. Sony is an electronic giant of 130 000 employes that tried hard to take a monopoly on the videogames market but never really succeeded to reach their goal. And now no one believe in anymore. Right now they're dominating the consoles market but it cost them shittons of money compared to the profit. No one believe in the console market anymore. Sony is fighting its biggest fight for a dying market agains't a dwarf and Microsoft who is just here to piss them off and push them to spend billion.

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>>84978796
>One, Tony Stark needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Tony Stark's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Tony?"

>>84982374
Under the Redhood and Assault on Gotham have both been better then any cinematic Marvel or DC movie ever of the last 7 years

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>>84978796
>>84979168
Feels so fucking good, man.

>>84988727
goddamn they literally really do fear the samurai

>first series
>bomb
KEK

>>84987760
WW pulled ahead of GotG2's day-to-day totals last week. It'll blow by it's current total by next weekend.

>>84988917
>Two, whenever Tony Stark's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Tony?"
lol holy fuck...

>>84988648
I don't care if it makes sense, it's not the character.
Spider-man is an already built persona, you can change stuff about it, but if you change the very core of it it becomes a different character altogether.
In the movie he fights crime because ultimately he wants to be accepted into the avengers. Everything he does is because he wants to prove to Tony Stark that he's a big boy. That goes against the main characteristic of Spider-man. Spider-man is a character ruled by responsibility, he fights crime not because he wants status or money, but because he has a trauma derived from the death of his uncle Ben.
You can't just replace this motivation with "I want to be a cool avenger" and sell it like the same character, it isn't. You changed the most important part of what makes Spiderman Spiderman. It just doesn't work.

And the sacrifices are underwhelming. The only reason where you could say he cockblocks himself is when he doesn't show up at the party as Spiderman, but that doesn't work because the consequences weren't there: the girl was nice afterwards and didn't care because he didn't think it was going to happen anyway. The rest of those are the same.
>He is a kid growing up dealing with social problems
He has no social problems, a poo in loo faggot that everyone hates calls him Penis Parker, so what? He's respected by everyone else, a girl is in love with him and the girl he likes is nice to him all the time. You could pick a random guy on this website and he'd have a more fucked up social life than him.
>The atm fight had consequences the guys deli he goes to got destroyed.
So, the only real consequence in the movie is that he doesn't get to eat tacos, this right here is my point.

Why is Tony giving the Kid a techsuit? Is he keeping peter's identity secret?

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>>84988917
this is so accurate I don't know whether to laugh or cry, holy fuck

>>84986873
As someone who's seen it, Holland is a solid young Spidey and a pretty decent Peter Parker, though I still prefer Tugboat's Pete. Keaton is possibly the best villain the MCU has ever had, and RDJ is RDJ.

That's where my praise ends. The dialogue is sanctimonious and preachy. The CGI is just really, really sub-par and rubbery a lot of the time and Spidey's jumps all feel oddly sped-up, like he falls faster than is physically possible after a jump. And above all else - they absolutely massacred everything that's supposed to be at the heart of Pete's character. Nobody should ever be suggesting to Pete what his role in the world is. That shit is fucking his, not his Uncle's, and for damn sure not Tony Fucking Stark.

>>84988916
>No one believes in the console market anymore
Since when?
Is it going to be taken over by the mustard race with their early access indy games on ridiculously expensive fiddley machines?
Or are mobile games the future of games?

>>84982612
AND THEY SAY THAT A HERO CAN SAVE US

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>>84984335
Here have this too

>>84988910
Every Marvel shill does. It's pretty hysterical and telling of their age.

>>84989111
Thats just a /v/ tard. Ignore him. PS4 is the best selling console in history.

>>84982437
>implying TDKR had a better villain than TDK
Either meme or retarded

>>84987387
So much fucking this.

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>>84988297
this is what happens when you don't answer her emails

>>84989288
Bane?

>>84989111
A $500 laptop will give you the same result as the PS4. The only way to keep consoles afloat is to spend lot of money on big budget AAA. This isn't a viable market in the long run.
>>84989253
>PS4 is the best selling console in history.
Retarded console warrior. That doesn't change the fact consoles market is loosing consumers, the japanese and middle budget industry are collapsing and Sony's market value is in the toilet. Watch the big picture instead of sucking sony's cock like /v/ kids.

>>84989324
Aye

>>84989288
>le joker was epic!

el reddito!

>>84988916
Sony won the e3

>>84978796
Fuck wonder woman

>>84989409
Bane was a better villain until that shit "lol bane wasn't the real villain" appeared.

>>84989042
He becomes responsible through out the movie he was fighting crime before tony stark waved around the "Avengers Status" plus he wanted to be an avenger so he could do more but his opinion changes as the movie plays through he literally declines tonys offer. After the car ride he decides to take out the bad guy instead of going to the dance with the girl he likes which is a big sacrifice considering hes does this multible times. The movie builds on that foundation of uncle bens saying as it plays without even mentioning the character.

Sales aren't a good measure of how good a movie is because people see a movie based on interest not based on how good it is. Because they won't know yet. So people are losing interest in capeshit.

Not surprising when taking your kids to see these movies is getting less and less appealing. I saw spiderman the other day and was thinking how I wouldn't bring my kids to see it because of all the retarded degeneracy.

>14 year olds talking about KFM
>penis parker haha
>muh interracial couples

I felt bad for the dads in the crowd

>>84988917
The funny thing is that it's what happened.

>>84979837
Good. Fuck disney

>>84989554
yep. the whole
>bane is actually the good guy
twist was boring

>>84989205
Fucking hell, Carol is ruined beyond belief.

>>84988953
Good God, that's so hot.

>>84987017
I agree with this 100%

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>>84989042
>You could pick a random guy on this website and he'd have a more fucked up social life than him.

This is so true it hurts.

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>>84981890
Retard detected

>>84989481
My post was /biz/, not /v/. I'm not a child

So how long until Marvel shills go back to saying box office isn't indicative of quality completely ignoring the past three years of relentless shitposting?

>>84989635
>So people are losing interest in capeshit.
>Everything is getting BTFO by WW.
Maybe people are just losing interest in the MCU.

>>84990460
MCU has been on a downwards projectory ever since it peaked with Iron Man 3. Civil War fell a whole half a billion from Avengers. This despite the presence of Spidey to boost it. Their origin stories have all been mediocre performers at the BO with the exception of Guardians, which operates outside of the MCU really.

Kevin Feige has a problem where he's saturated the market by shitting out three Marvels a year to the point where people are dying to se something else.

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drawfag here.
I'm laffing at marlels and their flop, i wanna draw something with wonder woman dominating spidy and RDJ.
give me ideas.

>>84990665
Apes shitting on spidey while Wonder is locking RDJ in a cuckshed

>>84987894
>Why?
>Because fuck China, that's why
That kinoest sentece written in this god forsaken board in the last 3 months

>>84990665
>Iron Manlet on his hands and knees
>WW with one leg up, foot planted on RDJ's back
>Spider-Twink licking her other foot
>WW holding both of them on a leash

>>84990665
Just make sure you include the twin towers as an homage to Raimi and Koba dressed as Superman.

>>84990665
Have Wondy rape both of them.

>>84989633
>he was fighting crime before tony stark waved around the "Avengers Status"
I don't remember and know because since the very first second of the movie you have RDJ ugly visage butting his nose in a movie that's not his.
> plus he wanted to be an avenger so he could do more
No, he wants to be an avenger because in the MCU being an avenger is the same as being a Hollywood star.

Yes, in the end he doesn't become an avenger because that would be too soon, but that doesn't fix his initial motivations. We still don't know from where his character comes.
We can't just pretend uncle Ben happened and everything happened as always because there's not a single mention of it, uncle Ben is a monumental figure in the life of Parker and May, it should have more presence, if not in Peter, in May.
In the end the movie is just to happy. I'm not saying it should be a tragedy, but the origins of Spiderman are miserable, and they condition his whole heroic persona. This movie makes it seem like Peter is just a normal guy with a normal life that won the lottery. Even

>>84990962
I messed up and sent before time.
[...] Even if he sacrifices his social life to be a hero out of responsibility it's not clear why. Why does he have this sense of responsibility? You just don't know because they skimmed over it.
I'm not saying I'd prefer them to explain the same story once again, but just acknowledge it, show a picture of uncle Ben, show footage of May and Peter moping at the funeral. Something to know it actually happened and you can asume the canon Spiderman origin apply here. Right now not only you do know, everything points to it being retconned out of existence because everything is simply too happy.

>>84978796
>domestically
The Chinese are going to eat this shit up. It's not made for America.

>>84990852
Better yet have Koba and Superman looking down from the clouds

>>84980983
Besides all that forced diversity exactly this is the problem.
>>84987732
>its the most diverse urban area in the world
Probably but the world (specially the chinks) hates to see all that diversity in their American movies, they watch these movies for the light skinned, blue eyed people.

>>84991052
won't help with 25% of the money going back to the studio

Drawfag, when is your piece of art done? Should I stay up for longer or are you posting tomorrow?

>>84991442
posting it in about two weeks

>>84991442
half an hour i think. It'll be worth it i promise.

>>84987264
>>84988138
>>84988805
>>84989881
Remember we are on /tv/ not /co/.
Btw has any of you read an old fic where the Vulture seduces and bang MJ, like 15 or more years old fic.

>>84991791
The Vulture is like 90 in the comics.

>>84990665
Spidey licking Wondy's boots.