Talk with me about Manchester by the Sea.

I didn't see it.

>>84965367
Don't talk to me or my thread again.

>>84965390
Ok

>>84965294
Unfortunately I haven't watched it yet.

>DUDE SADNESS IN BAAWSTANN LMAO

>>84965294
boring and too melodramatic tbqh

unrealistic relationships and characters

>>84965294
Good movie. But whoever did the music should be stuffed into a rocket filled with turds and shot into space.

>>84965294
Haven't watched yet either, matey

>>84965431
this
so many scenes would play out better with natural sounds. hated how they used music during the police station scene especially

>>84965423

Kind of this, but Lonergan is a good writer and knows how to develop his characters.

It's a little too down on itself. If this board did those "sad-core" lists like /mu/ it would be wayyy up there.

>>84965294
more like a deadpan comedy then depressing.

>>84965425
theres nothing wrong with melodrama

>>84965540
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH (pause for effect, deep breath and a single tear runs down my eye) MELODRAMA!!! *piano chord*

>>84965294
He should have gone to prison for what he did. At the very least tried for gross negligence and manslaughter.

I felt like after halfway through the movie it peaked and the rest it just kept on repeating itself. The difference between casey affleck from beginning to end was so marginal I really didn't care. Yeah he had a glimmer of hope in him but this movie is like the equivilent of somebody who drones on and on well after you got the gist of their story

>>84965801
>The difference between casey affleck from beginning to end was so marginal I really didn't care.
That was the point. There was no difference. He couldn't beat it.

I hate this movie because how real this is, yet I love it
>>84965431
But it's fine

>>84966283
What are you talking about? He had slight happiness and hope in him at the end

>>84966478
In that he was able to emotionally connect with his nephew. But he still couldn't stay in Manchester because it reminded him of his dead kids.

>>84965648
yeah this. and it was super unrealistic that the mother would settle down with someone else so easily, have another kid, and then have sympathy for him and want to go out for coffee.

>>84966687
How so? People are humans.

>>84966930
idk, just seems like it'd be too traumatizing to recover from.

>>84967045
At some point you have to move on or your life is pretty much over. She knew this. And besides it was like ten years.

Women, am I right fellas?

>>84965609
i dont think you know what melodrama

*is

>>84967871
>>84967893
>needing two posts to convey your point
Sheesh, no need to be so melodramatic.

I drove through there the other week on the way back from Rockport. Seems nice.

>>84965431
Yeah. The music seemed off.

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>>84965294
post your face when americans kill their family members after watching a movie

>>84965294
TELL ME ABOUT THE SEA

>>84967960

>Did you see that, hun? If we kill our kid, we can be that fucking depressed and broken and aimless in life too!

What the fuck

>>84965462
I think the music during the interrogation was overwhelmingly loud, but once it ends and he reaches for the gun it really gives the scene an otherworldly feeling. It wouldn't work nearly as well for me in silence

>>84967045
But she didn't recover

>>84968672
My dick didn't recover from seeing based Michelle Williams nail another role excellently.

>>84965294
I expected sadkino.
Went in hoping to cry.

Instead I saw cokehead faggot numale kills his kids and becomes a huge loser and no better arc.
Was real shit.

>>84965294
It was mostly boring and melodramatic. And I don't remember what happened at all.

>>84968882
I almost cried when he tried to grab the gun. Got very, very, close.

Unfortunately, the next time I cried watching a film was Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2.

>>84965294
haven't watched

>>84967960
jesus fucking christ

>>84965609
there's nothing like that on this movie though, the camera was pretty much always static and the reactions and movements were on the hyperrealist side of cinema

>Moonlight thread
>everyone has watched it
>Manchester thread
>tons of "haven't watched posts"

Interesting...

>>84967960
>>84968092
>>84968979
It's probably just a shitty lawyers last ditch effort 1/1000 shot to get a few years knocked off somehow

>>84966687
Youve never had a serious relationship, have you?

>>84969096
It doesn't sound like it inspired them so much as it inspired how they would cover it up.

I'm reading the Reddit discussion about it right now and a lot of them bring up that for how serious the film was, it had quite a few humorous moments. Surprised there's no mention of that here.

Let's talk then.

he should've gotten back together with his waifu what a cuck

melodramatic lifetime crap

>>84969891
It's Amazon you prick.

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Good film that the manchildren of /tv/ will always call shit because they've never been outside their houses.

>>84970554
One of the few clever uses of crying Wojak I've seen, the other one being this...one I can't find so you don't get to see it.

Needs to be less pixelated though.

awfully annoying performances all around

really wish he had successfully killed himself so it would have ended the story right there

>>84970755
Fuck you, Casey Affleck did a perfect job of portraying me.

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>>84970644
>>84970554

>>84971151
..........I know?

>>84965294

I loved it when I watched it. I still love it. I feel like it's one of the few films I've seen recently that I'll still love years from now.

Gotta add that I love it because it connected with me for a number of largely personal reasons, so I don't think I'm the right person to argue about its merits or flaws. Some people talk about the music becoming too loud in parts. I didn't care, it worked for me. Some people argue about the pacing, saying it's weird and shit. I didn't care, it worked perfectly for me. Some people argue that the film is too much of a downer. I didn't care, it worked perfectly for me.

I don't think it's flawless. It's just that for me the flaws don't even register. Maybe this is what it feels like to find a film with which you identify and which you feel represents your experience. If so, then I think I understand why people watch relatively shit films and act like they're masterpieces just cuz they connect with them.

I do think even if it doesn't connect with someone, the screenplay definitely deserves all the praise in the world, as well as Affleck's performance. I have a hard time getting on board with any criticisms of those two things.

Anyways, I love it. I think my entire outlook on life would have to change and I'd have to be completely rewired from the inside for my opinion on this film to change.

>>84965294
Why would I want to watch a movie like this? It's just endless medium shots of a badly dressed man making a sad face. Who gives a shit? It's appalling that in 2017 it's still possible to have a career as a film director by just having the DoP neutrally film people acting out a play you wrote which belongs on a community theater stage somewhere. This isn't cinema.

>>84971595
>Anyways, I love it. I think my entire outlook on life would have to change and I'd have to be completely rewired from the inside for my opinion on this film to change.

My cock will rewire you, bending your asses two by two, deuce by deuche heheh

>>84965294
It's a good movie and main character was amazing performance.

>>84971845
What is cinema, then?

>>84965294
What were your ten favorite shots?

>>84966687
Well, I see your point, but let's suppose the top 10% of women would be able to do that and forgive him.

>>84965423
None of the film actually takes place in Boston.

>>84971891
Cinema is doing things only the medium can do.

>>84968831
Michelle Williams is really cool. She has the talent, not just the looks.

>>84972003
Do you see his penis enter her anus?

>>84969082
I watched this and haven't watched Moonlight. I don't care about gay niggers and /tv/ told me it wasn't good anyways.

>>84967960
Just blame it on Twinkies next time, guys

>>84972019
I don't remember that scene desu.

>>84971994
>>84971891
>>84971845

I'll give it to you that the film looked bland, even if it was appropriate for the setting. But I thought the editing was solid and that's something I don't see discussed on TV nearly as often as it should be. Yes, the image is important, but the editing is just as significant.

That jarring cut and ost kick in from the brothers and Patrick laughing on the boat to Lee driving to the hospital was excellent.

The placement of the flashbacks was great.

The fucking lawyer's office scene was one of the best depictions of a panic attack in any medium out there.

Now, with the exception of the lawyer's office sequence, there's nothing here that's inherently very flashy, and I think that's why this film isn't clicking with many ppl here. It's not in your face. But cinema isn't necessarily about how flashy something is. One of the thing's the film is exploring is the internalization of pain and I think that film is the best medium for that. Like this would not be the same thing if you tried to adapt it to another medium at all. I don't see why you don't get that. Even if you don't care about the editing things I mentioned, the acting is proof that it couldn't have worked in any other medium.

Scenes like Lee shuffling and not knowing what to do with his arms when they bring out his brother's body, before they step aside to give him a look and his arms just deflate. When his wife calls and he tenses up and starts towalk towards the cabinet in front of him after hanging up, but then just deflates and walks back to his room. The lunch scene. And when he tells Patrick he can't beat it.

Maybe you didn't connect with any of these moments at all. That's okay, no film works for everyone. But I don't remember a single person in the audience from when I watched this film (and I saw it a few times) who wasn't completely silent and stunned when these scenes happened. Each of these scenes is a gut punch because it's real as hell.

>>84972003
For a moment I thought you said "Just not the looks" and I was like "WHAT"

>>84972081
>/tv/ told me it wasn't good anyways.
/tv/ is WRONG and I guarantee you they haven't seen it.

>>84969082
Not "interesting," but "fucking awful". I can't imagine even having the desire to torrent such a movie as Moonlight. Then again, I hate gay things. And am partially racist, though I'll let you decide what that means because I don't know myself.

>>84972928
>I don't know why I am racist
What a stupid fucking post, quit trying to fit in with this site because they are just fucking memeing you. The movie is hardly even about gay things. Go watch it right fucking now.

>>84971595

>I don't think it's flawless. It's just that for me the flaws don't even register.

I promise I understand what you mean, but I don't ...get it.

You mean in retrospect you look back and say "that was flawed"? Well then was it really?

>>84972956
No, no. I don't know what "partially racist" means. I live in an area where I can say "fuck that guy" thirty times a day, but I don't hate the race because those thirty guys are pieces of shit from a bunch of other circumstances. I think i just answered my own problem, but whatever.

>>84969314
this movie was talked to death for an entire month, every possible aspect about it has already been discussed

>>84971994
retarded brand of cinema you got there mate

>>84973018
Then with that settled, it's time to watch Moonlight. Enjoy a fantastic soundtrack.

>>84973082
You realize that this board has a lot of different people on it, right?

>>84973190
I think his point was aimed at the nature of the comments here, being surprisingly on-edge. Seems like acknowledging that a film has humorous moments, or is not a sappy 'play on emotions' through and through would be something important when defending it.
Seems everyone here is simply 'i hate it' or 'it's perfect', but little discussion beyond 'i hate/love it because it's a true drama'

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>>84973190
>he doesn't know /tv/ is just one deranged person speaking to himself endlessly

>>84973190
yeah I realize there's bunch of newfags saying 'why doesn't /tv/ talk about this aspect of a movie' when they have already been discussed in several occasions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxZVDEtPTwQ

best scene ever

>>84973296
Why the fuck would discussing it on several occasions be reason not to discuss it again? You sound like Reddit with their "no reposts" rule.

>>84973321
maybe if she didn't have so much botox. Police station scene is better

>>84973281
actually its like 10 people and rest is AI

>>84973160
No, it's what the medium really is, rather than wanting it to do the job of literature or theatre because you're too pleb for the former and too broke for the latter.

>>84973380
>You sound like Reddit with their "no reposts" rule.
you sure know about that, and the point isn't that you can't discuss anything again and again, but don't make retarded claims if you don't know

>>84973557
>you sure know about that
Wow, epic.

>but don't make retarded claims if you don't know
The "retarded claim" you refer to was obviously referring to within this thread. When someone asks "Why isn't anyone talking about this" they obviously don't mean "across all threads on /tv/."

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>>84965471
There is this but it's a tad outdated

>>84973510
alright, I'll bite
>cinema is doing things only the medium can do
so what are these markers that you say only the medium can do and manchester by the sea is not doing?

>>84971151
my Halloween costume tbqh

>>84973709
>downward spiral
>no Machinist
Come on.

>>84973931
Machinist is literally right there between Oldboy and Children of Men

Tick.

>>84972978
What the anon is saying is that the film resonated a lot with him and that he can see it has it's share of flaws, but doesn't care about them, since the film more than makes up for them.

Pretty piss-poor Bong accents for a movie meant to be set in Manchester.

Surprised Casey Affleck still managed to nip an Oscar with that pseudo-accent.

Funny how Manchester by the Sea threads are always so vastly different.
It's either unanimous praise and appreciation for it or just a bunch of "boring" or "nothing happens" meaningless comments.

I suspect the brainlet posts come when the ameritards are awake because this is feels more like a european film than a standard american one.

>>84965294
If he'd managed to blow his brains out the film would have finished sooner which would have been a very good thing in my humble opinion.

>>84965294

It's a nice movie. Some thing storywise don't adds up, but shit have to happen anyway. The only reason to see this is for the end, witch I wont spoil.

>>84975066
I hope this is a joke because Manchester-by-the-Sea is in Massachusetts.

>>84975074
I'm somewhere in the middle about the movie. I understand it well and though it was decent but it just doesn't affect me very much. I have a couple of friends who have seen it that it affected quite a bit (both admitted to crying at it) so it goes one way or another.

>>84972418
>I'll give it to you that the film looked bland,

Right, so I'm correct, don't know why you bothered with the next six (!) paragraph.

>>84975074
>this is feels more like a european film than a standard american one.
Interesting statement. What European films would you say it feels like?

>>84975130
I... don't remember anything particularly noteworthy about the end? It was one of those films where it was "just over" which happens a lot in Oscar-nominated films I've noticed.

>>84973740
The praise for the film in this thread is entirely about its screenplay. It's medium shots of people talking or making sad faces. Nobody needs another of these movies.

>>84975176
Not him Leviathan to an extent. Both have similar pacing and tone.

>>84975162
You're not the only post he responded to you egotistical prick.

>>84975066
kek

>>84975074
Pathetic snob American detected. I'm European and I think people who like this middlebrow garbage deserve James Holmesing!

>>84975221
Yes, I literally am, the three posts are two of mine and one replying to me.

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>>84975242
>!

>>84975200
>I... don't remember anything particularly noteworthy about the end?

Fucking hell, check out this faggot typing as he thinks.

>>84975283
I'm.... not sure what you mean by this? Wait... hang on... nope, still not sure.

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>>84975074
Different from what. Or did you mean "polarized"?

Nothing worthwhile does happen in it. As established, we don't even see his cock enter her ass. The people who praise it are middlebrows idiots.

>>84975138
Imagine going all that way across the Atlantic and into America, and not being able to think of any better name for your town than where you came from. How could a movie about the descendants of such mongoloids be anything but a snoozeroo?

>>84975340
>a film has to have a man and a woman fucking to be worthwhile
JFC

>>84975340
*middlebrow idiots

>>84975364
You realize Manchester in England got its name from Rome.

>>84975369
No, but if it's going to have no reason to exist on the cinematic level, it better be putting something interesting in front of the camera. If it's not even doing that, why should anyone watch? I know what a whiny guy in a hoodie looks like, I've been to supermarkets late at night.

>>84975398
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

One of the best works of cinema in recent years, and one of the few films that actually take advantage of the assets of the medium to bring it to the level of a good novel. Excellent performances, strong editing, and a compeelling narrative make it must-see for people who enjoy actual films.

>>84975460
Bullshit. It's not even cinema. It takes no advantage of the medium, it's dull medium shots of people emoting. No, having nothing going for you but characters and dialogue is not "the level of a good novel", it's the level of a middlebrow Book of the Month club choice, your level. It's not compelling. Nobody who values cinema mistakes it for anything worthwhile. Get an education you worthless middlebrow eunuch.

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I almost never rewatch anything, but I saw Manchester by the Sea four times now, notice new things everytime and love it even more with every viewing.

Best film of 2016 by far, ridiculously good writing and acting.
If it weren't for the occasional jarring cuts in editing and the Adagio in G minor in the police department scene, the film would be a literal 10/10.

>>84975529
>If it weren't for the occasional jarring cuts in editing and the Adagio in G minor in the police department scene, the film would be a literal 10/10.

That's hilarious, you dislike one middlebrow aspect while also disliking the only slightly distinguished aspect another anon could note.

>>84975457
You just got BTFO, kid. *puts on sunglasse*

>>84965294
Does the honeydip get n00d?

>>84975702
>honeydip
wat

>>84975696
The fact that the people who started Manchester-by-the-Sea couldn't think of a new name has nothing to do with where Manchester got its name.

>>84975242
>>84975340
>>84975385
>>84975505
>>84975591
>middlebrow
Gee, I wonder who could be behind these posts!

>>84975717
the cunt

>>84975728
Should have thought of a new name before you stole one from the Romans, kidlet.

>>84975745
Why would you put honey on your vagina, that seems like it'd get it infected.

>>84975736
What? I haven't made out that I wasn't having an ongoing conversation. One of those posts is a correction to the previous one. They're obviously by the same person. That you think you've sleuthed something out indicates the mental level the film is aimed at; it's the stupid person's idea of an intelligent film.

>>84975772
the honey's within, that sweet juice

>>84975505
Manchester by the Sea has one of the best uses of the non linear narrative in recent cinema history.
Lonergan has faith that the viewer is not a brainlet so there's no date in the corner indicating it's the past, no usual change of color grade, no fade transition between the cuts no nothing except careful selection of where and when to put the actual cuts. The past and present are completely intertwined so the viewer experiences memories just like the main character.

>>84975754
Flail away, failure.

>>84975801
Oh wow, so you're being blown away by something that became standard practice in serious cinema about seventy years ago? That's astonishing. You know nothing about cinema.

>>84975772
Seriously man, do we see Michelle Williams' muff or baps? She's a nice piece of stuff, but I don't want to waste my time, you know?

>>84975871
No, just watch Blue Valentine.

>>84975819
>this qualifies as banter
Lmao are you even British? Holy shit.

>>84975871
>>84975918
In fact she's hardly even in MBTS so even if you aren't horny this is a terrible movie to watch specifically for her. Majority of screentime goes to Affleck and the kid. This scene up here >>84973321 is her longest scene in the entire film.

>>84971988
Yes it does.

>>84965294
is that a good depiction of Manchester? I want to visit the city this summer

>>84975996
Yes.

>>84965431
The music is fine. The editing is the problem.

>>84973403
this
I didn't have recognized her :((

>>84966687
>so easily
She waited like 10 years. And she had obviously wanted him dead that whole time.

>>84976148
really deep and interesting shot

>>84976148
is that supposed to look like a Englishwoman? lmao

>>84965294
White peoples lives are so fucking lol

>>84975918
Ah, okay.

>>84975962
Fuck's sake, usual daddy issues American cinema. And it stars a rapist, of course, which I notice we're all avoiding mentioning.

>>84976777
>And it stars a rapist, of course, which I notice we're all avoiding mentioning.
What? Source?

>>84976690
Flail away, failure.

>>84973403
Fuck, you're not wrong. This is meant to be realistic, right? Does Lil' Affleck's character ever say "hey, you got botox, gross"?

Don't tell me, he doesn't, does he? People are always touting "realistic" movies, and when I give them a look, they always turn out to be as realistic as kabuki.

>>84976790
http://time.com/4645846/what-to-know-about-the-casey-affleck-oscar-controversy/

>>84976126
Oh, this looks truly dreadful. 1. Why do we cut to a shot from inside the cubicle office? I can remember what his fucking back looks like. 2. I have no reason not to want him to shoot, so why is this cut like I should give a tin shit?

>>84976804
Watch the scene in >>84973321, you can see he's making a disgusted face the whole time he talks to her.

>>84965294
Male Tears: The Movie.

>>84976958
Turned it off after two secs, that music man, Woody Allen-core!

She does look like DS9's Odo, though.

I didn't take anything from this movie. It's just two hours of sadness for the sake of sadness. One personal tragedy after another and in the end all the characters are in an even shittier situation than where they started.

I don't watch drama often, but some movies like Shawshank Redemption of Philadelphia at least have interesting characters and a story that makes you want to know what happens next. I didn't get that from this movie. The only part that got me slightly interested was when Patrick visited his mom, but even that arch got cut abruptly and we don't hear from her again.

Also can anyone please explain the significance of that guy in Patrick's band being corrected on his drum skills? That happens twice so I assume there's something meaningful in there which I couldn't grasp.

>>84976820
>All the unfounded allegations are totally real because I don't like Casey Affleck, but the ones against Trump are totally fake.
That false dichotomy.

>>84976981
>Also can anyone please explain the significance of that guy in Patrick's band being corrected on his drum skills?
It wasn't quite his tempo. Perhaps he was rushing. Or dragging.

>>84976987
Could you tell me why you're assuming that I think the allegations against Trump are fake?

>>84977011
In the hopes that you would correct me and say that you believe them to be real as well.

>>84976981

Yeah, it's recreational misery aimed at a class who only ever experience disappointment vicariously.

>Also can anyone please explain the significance of that guy in Patrick's band being corrected on his drum skills? That happens twice so I assume there's something meaningful in there which I couldn't grasp.

It's one of those things that New Yorker-tier middlebrow artists put in their work to convey the humiliation of unrealized ambitions.

I'm not even memeing, that's why it's there. Everything else that happens is meant to be on the same level of sadness as the guy not being quite good enough at the drums, because in the world of such movies, a white middle-class man not getting what he wants carries Conradian horror. It's a breach of natural law, don't you see, for Casey Affleck not to get his dick fluffed by life.

>>84977041
Why would you be hoping for that? What would it mean if I told you that?

You keep confirming the worst suspicions people have about the audience for misery porn, really.

>>84976851
imagine being this much of a braindead turboautist

>>84977078
It would mean that at least one person on /tv/ isn't a blind Trump dicksucker.

>>84977088
You're slinging insults that don't even apply. This was, I thought, a serious movie which invites a critical engagement from the viewer. You read my critical engagement and blurt out that shit? Come correct, son.

>>84977107
What would that mean about what I said about the film, though? I mean, does every thread have to become this discussion of Orange Meme Man?

>>84976777
>And it stars a rapist

>teasing and making bad jokes with a female coworker
>female coworker happens to be the producer and acts like she and her whole family have been brutally raped and tormented by Casey
>sued in CIVIL court, not brought under charges in criminal court I.e. the burden of proof is fucking nothing
>Casey immediately countersues but it's pointless
>no evidence were shown nor did any evidence ever show up afterwards
>the case was settled outside of court, meaning they got money out of him
>the last thing actual rape victims want is money

But sure be a part of the delusional uninformed twitter whores are still whining like he raped them and beat their family on the side too, while it was just slightly inappropriate teasing and joking around. You read a news headline on the Internet and took it as a fact, don't be such an ignorant sub intelligent degenerate please.
False accusations are a scary thing.

>>84977145
What you said wasn't about the film, it was about sexual misconduct. And if we're talking about that it's important to establish consistency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQTn-BcBYZg

Casey Affleck gave the best speech at the Oscars.

>>84977131
>I have no reason not to want him to shoot, so why is this cut like I should give a tin shit?
>"critical engagement"
sure thing buddy

Also the shot from the cubicle office is used as a wide shot so we see just how many officers are holding him down clearly, not to so we see the fucking back of the character,

>>84977243
Matt Damon jumping up like a proud dad watching his son win a tournament when Casey got the Oscar was the best most genuine reaction I've seen on the Oscars ever.

>>84977243
What a genuine, but awkward speech lmao. One of the most well-deserved wins nonetheless.

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>>84975529

>best film of 2016

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>>84977423
>Karlie Kloss

Why didn't he kill himself?

He attempts it just once.

>>84977497
Her code actually above, but it is basic Hello World example.

>>84977497
I wonder why this occurred. I mean, why does Karlie Kloss kode, and why does she want to show her fans that she does? What's she koding? Some kind of massive lipstick lesbian zord?

>>84978425
She just wants to appear like one of those "geek girls" so she can have "nerd cred." It's transparent, sad, and a disgrace to the actual geek girls out there.

>>84978511
It's quite funny I guess, especially if she accidentally makes some brilliant breakthrough while doing her nerdBarbie roleplay.

>>84965294
Sure enough, the cocksucker who made this was a fucking playwright. Called it. Wretched, uncinematic trash.

>>84978960
>uncinematic
Maybe Marvel would be more up your alley, kid.

>>84965294
I didn't like this movie, cause it was only about his pain, reason behind it and his inability to get over it and live on, like his wife. If only movie try and explain why he didn't kill himself, i would enjoy it more.

It's good movie, though.

>>84979066
No, actual cinema is up my alley. Long medium shots of people talking doesn't cut it.

>>84979677
The only thing that could have made it worth watching would be if he killed himself. Then it would be satisfying. As it is, it's nothing.

>>84979871
>killed himself

i don't see how suicide makes anything worth watching.

It's easy, childish answer and it makes everything before it pointless.

Stories about people overcoming that notion are interesting ones.

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>>84966687
>>84969118
fuck this. I'm leaving

>>84976148
Is this how the modern woman prepares a breakfast for 2?

>>84973321
>analysis in description

what the fuck is there to analyze you fucking faggot

>>84976126
>please

fuck. best film of 2016

>>84980584
>fuck. best film of 2016
thats not hacksaw ridge

>>84980645
>unironically liking Mel Gibson

Look, I know you want to fit in, but they are just memeing you. No one here actually thinks Mel Gibson is a competent director

>>84976126
>Pulls a gun out of a retention holster
>Can't figure out how to work the safety.
Anybody else just turn the movie off at this point?

>>84980103
Because then it would tell the truth about his life, which isn't worth living.

No, it's the most serious thing you can do.

No, stories about people overcoming that notion are cowardly. To put together over two hours of futile misery and have the character feel even to end it is to say that he deserves even worse than we've seen, because he is a born victim. He should have killed himself, while naked with an erection. That would have redeemed him.

>>84980709
>Look,
>No one here actually thinks Mel Gibson is a competent director
you should kill yourself my redditor newfiend

>>84980645
that's not A Quiet Passion

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Great film

>>84980790
I just want to add, I put in "while naked with an erection" to make you smile, but I do think that his not killing himself makes the film meaningless. It would have been great if, when he grabbed the officer's gun, another officer or someone else immediately shot him dead as a reflex action before he could even fail. That would have told some truth.

>>84965294
I watched it with my ex before she broke up with me to go back to her ex. At least she deep throated me before

>>84980904
Ironically I once had great anal with a blonde from Manchester-by-the-Sea. She wasn't as used up as Michelle Williams though.

>>84980728
Most people don't even know what is a retention holster, not everyone is a merican /k/ommando irl

>>84980790
>>84980903
Yeah, i smiled.

But what's brave about killing yourself, just cause you feel bad? That's just selfish.

Also, name movies with good suicide at the end, i can think only about Godfather 2.

>>84981321
Oslo, August 31st

Still amazes me how bad the taste of this board is sometime. This is just the white equivalent of moonlight, melodrama oscarbait.

>>84981478
>a non-political non-Hollywood narrative written by Kenneth Lonergan with a full white cast and Casey Affleck as the main character
>"oscarbait"
sure thing buddy

>>84981642
But it is Oscarbait, otherwise it would end with his suicide and feature a scene where his cock goes into her anus.

>>84971988
Boston=Massachusettes
Massachuesettes=Boston

All the movie was in Boston

>>84981321
There's nothing brave about it, and the reality is that he wouldn't be brave. Brave people don't have those kinds of lives, normal people do, and normal people fall apart all the time.

Fox and His Friends by Fassbinder. Million Dollar Baby, arguably. Visconti's Death in Venice, arguably. Gran Torino's dramatic climax is essentially this.

>>84981833
There are others, I'm sure, but these are the ones I immediately think of.

>>84971151

PLEASE!

>>84981321
>>84981833
>>84981865
Oh, and Il Grido by Antonioni.

>>84981833
And why do we need stories about "normal" people, who failed and died?
Only cause it's REAL, something what would happen in 99 cases out 100%? How's it even noteworthy?

>>84982833
Not every film has to be about extraordinary heroes or whatever, you can examine the human condition through the most mundane normal life situations, a recent example would be Paterson.

>>84982833
Why do we need stories about normal people who can't even manage to kill themselves? Manchester by the Sea is a massively non-noteworthy story, but letting the poor bastard escape would have least given it dramatic shape and a sense of human dignity.

>>84981798
t. someone who has never lived or been in the northeast... ever.

>>84982941
*at least

>>84982912
I don't want movie about "extraordinary heroes" either.

There are many ways to make a character between "shinning hero" and "miserable bastard". So, i'll have problem with any movie, if it's about either of them, instead of about something in the middle.

Yes, terrible shit of any sort can happen with anybody. No, we don't kill ourselfs after, we live on. Why? Well, that's the task of the movie to tell me why, cause MC didn't kill himself, so he must had a reason not to.

>>84983657
No, he had no reason not to. He should have killed himself. I don't want to see movies that advocate cowardice in the face of the reality of life.

>>84983789
Suicide is in most cases the ultimate cowardice. Selfish empty cowardice, all about "me".

>>84983789
Not killing yourself and making the painful forward step to be available to your nephew as his only real family is cowardice?

>>84983863
>>84983863
Don't talk nonsense. "Empty" as opposed to what fullness? You're following the bullshit of the pampered. In reality, this movie's logical conclusion was suicide. Many people would be better off killing themselves, but they're too afraid to do it. What's the point of this movie which depicts a life which can only describe ever tighter circles of self-loathing and horror at the meaninglessness of its continuation? Who does that help? It's not fun, and it's not art.

>>84965294
>dude being a Chad is hard LMAO

>>84983872
Yes, of course it is. Death is more frightening than anything, even a meaningless life which can only mean pain and futility. Death requires real courage.

>>84983943
>What's the point of this movie
The point is that grief is not something you can just let go or tell someone to "move on" from it, but that the person should come to terms eventually and accept what happened, not ignore it in every possible way.
And it's not without progress, the ending shows one shred of hope for Lee with him getting an extra room in his apartment for Patrick and wanting to see him again. The ending shot on the boat is similar to the opening shot on the boat.
He will never recover and forgive himself for what he has done, but there is progress in his character because of Patrick.

Also that baseball exchange at the end summarizes their whole relationship in just one scene, where Lee says "just let it go" but Patrick doesn't let go of the ball and keeps throwing it back at him until he keeps it.

>>84976851
So you can see what's happening in the scene?

>>84984139
>The point is that grief is not something you can just let go or tell someone to "move on" from it, but that the person should come to terms eventually and accept what happened, not ignore it in every possible way.

But any child knows this. It's after-school special shit. And in this case, the person just doesn't matter. I'm given no reason to care about this person's feelings. He's just this vomit in a hoodie. He does nothing for himself, he just burdens himself with futility.

>>84984191
I could have seen it without the dumb cut to the inside of the fucking cubicle so I can see his back. It's too busy, and busy to conceal some failing in the staging, I suspect. The continuity looks pretty off, though I haven't slowed it down and analysed it because I don't care enough, but some failure of matching seems to be taking place there.

>>84983977
>Death requires real courage.
No, living requires real courage in situations like in Manchester by the Sea, pulling the trigger on yourself is the easiest way out. Death is not frightening to characters like Lee Chandler, living with your thoughts is frightening for him.
And yes suicide is absolute selfish cowardice, you end your life so you end your misery without thinking that your suicide will fuck up all the people around you for life, maybe even making Patrick or his ex wife contemplating suicide also.

>>84984263
You don't see how much officers are holding him down until the cubicle wide shot, yes every shot is busy before that and that's why that wide cubicle shot is put there, because it's NOT busy, you see everything clearly.

>>84984284
No, living requires no courage. Death is more frightening than anything. Don't you see how completely your parroting of melodramatic Oprah cliches proves that this film is worthless? A film aimed at people who think in the way that you apparently do cannot be a film of the highest seriousness. Death is frightening to everyone, more frightening than anything. If he wasn't more afraid to die, he'd kill himself.

The other people don't matter if you're in genuine misery, but you haven't the imagination to understand that, so you talk Oprah-ese. In this film, the people around him are, in any case, nobodies who deserve to suffer as much as he does, they're just sadsacks. I'm given no reason not to want them to suffer.

>>84965294
Pretentious shit. Is liking this a meme? Because I've not met a single person in real life who said it was good

>>84984344
The editing is busy. You like this film, which means you're a middlebrow who can have nothing worthwhile to say about cinema, so don't attempt to lecture your betters, rape fodder!

>>84984446
It's big with middlebrows who think that cinema is about photographing stage plays.

>>84984507
That sounds about right

>>84984475
>you like the film, so it's shit!
nice argument kiddo

also please stop using middlebrow, you used it 10 times in this very thread already

>>84984719
No, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're shit, which is why you like this film. Middlebrow is what it is, there's no reason for another word.

>>84984429
yeah, that's why everyone who actually killed themself in real life are all big brave heroes, not at all beta male/female mentally disordered cowards

>>84984780
Well I could say that you are a complete turboautist, but what's the point of me repeating that in every single post, you turboautist?
Argue about the film, not about the imaginary "middlebrow" audience.

>>84984784
You really have the mind of a child, don't you? You don't think of those people as heroic because you've swallowed the Oprah nonsense about it being stronger to remain alive. And you've confirmed that this is a movie for people whose cultivation is shallow - you're calling people "betas" for committing suicide when you're here to praise a movie that depicts a guy making a pathetic suicidal gesture in just the situation where he's most likely to be prevented from going through with it.

In real life, someone in this character's situation who killed himself would be smarter than the character who lives on to be an emotionally-damaged fuck-up of a replacement parent.

>>84984854
The film itself is middlebrow. Deal with the fact that the character should commit suicide and only the artist's cowardice prevents him from depicting it.

>>84984899
>unironically thinking that suicide is the right way
I hope you reconsider that if your kid in the future tries to kill himself/herself (if you ever get to have children)

>>84984927
Suicide is mostly a lazy narrative closure device, especially in a film like this. Every action he makes beforehand is meaningless if he kills himself in the end, the whole narrative loses weight with it. And the film is not just about Casey, you can't end with just a suicide, then the question opens what happens with Patrick? Or his ex wife? Or the entire Manchester community view of Lee? Sucidide would call for an unnecessary fourth act or cheesy on screen textual explanations of what happens with the rest of the characters.

>>84985003
Some people are very clearly better off committing suicide. One such person is the protagonist of this film. My thinking it justified or unjustified is unlikely to have an effect on a person who has decided to do it, and a person who can be argued out of it hasn't decided to do it. I would hopefully not have allowed my child's life to become futile in the first place.

>>84985176
But films like this are intrinsically lazy - they're medium shots of people acting out a play. Suicide would at least give the film momentum, brio and some sense of human dignity. Every action he makes is meaningless anyway, it doesn't matter what happens to him, he's nothing. I didn't care about Patrick or his ex-wife, their lives are equally futile but at least the main thread would have a good finish. The community?! You must be joking.

>ctrl+f "comfy"
>0 results

Guess im alone

>>84985262
Google peak-end rule to find out how primitive your opinion forming really is.

What would have been great is if we cut to his nephew five years later, and he's raping a dog with his nostrils caked in powder. That would be hilarious. He gave his worthless life for a still-lower vermin!

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>>84985450
Comfy and funny actually. Brilliantly executed situational humor which doesn't break the tone of the film at all.

>>84985458
Why are you talking nonsense? This has no meaning for the despairing. Or are you talking about film construction?

>>84985531
I am talking how basic and primitive your opinon on something is when you base it one a single moment or ending. Just google peak-end rule.

>>84985521

>ywn live in Manchester by the Sea

:(

>>84985573
So you're talking about film construction. I've already read about the peak-end rule. The fact of the matter is that the ending of a story does much to determine its value for the viewer. If this had been about all the good reasons for a nobody to end his life, it might have some grimly humorous value. As it is, it has no value.

>>84965294
Excellent except for the lel teenage angst character and his scenes. Fuck, i hated that fucking boy.

>>84985720
If he'd raped the boy and then hanged them both it might have been close to interesting.

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Post yfw when you realize the people who didnt like this movie are the ones in the other threads praising the new planet of the apes movie

>>84985804
No, I would never watch those movies, and once again the classic middlebrow habit of measuring yourself by who you're (just) above rather than by valid standards of seriousness asserts itself.

>>84967960
kek

>>84985851
Wow this sounds even more pretentious than what i said, im gonna use it in the future thanks ;)

>>84985720
You were supposed to be annoyed by him, horny teenagers are annoying.
That's the point of Patrick, he literally makes Lee do all this stuff and doesn't take a "no" for an answer, while in contrast every other adult is immediately distanced by a single "no, thank you" from Lee.

>>84985942
You will have a right to providing you grow out of shit like Manchester by the Sea, otherwise you'll be living in bad faith, like before.

>>84985970
Art isn't just mimesis.

>>84985970
That doesn't make the movie more enjoyable tho.
I get it is a 'slice of life' type of movie, but his scenes were really disrupting. Tone, acting, themes, it was like i was watching a different movie.
I wanted to have more time with Lee, his ex, and their sorrow, not some fucking asshole kid with the depth of a puddle.

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>>84965294
The least appealling cover art since pic related.

>>84986105
The kid really drives home the point that he should kill himself, which makes the failure of nerve by the filmmaker all the more galling.

>>84986138
How? As I said, Patrick is the most important element to Lee staying alive, getting an extra room just for Patrick.
That baseball exchange at the end summarizes their whole relationship in just one scene, where Lee says "just let it go" but Patrick doesn't let go of the ball and keeps throwing it back at him until he keeps it.

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>>84985984
Lmao

>>84980728
its a glock, it doesnt have a safety, faggot

>>84986288
You're defending a movie which exists because of the fedora mentality - because there are millions of viewers who aren't as smart as they think they are. I'm cutting the bullshit, not adding to it.

>>84976148
>that ginger faggot cucked her for some flat bitch
Are kids these days really that retarded?

>>84986204
Because his life has no value. He's a burden. The most important element to Lee staying alive is that he and his author are both chickenshit.

Yes, I know, it's Symbolism 101. Why do you think you've discovered something when you're being spoonfed liquefied rusk? Oh yeah, that's right - you're a middlebrow.

I related to the film to a certain degree, but it didn't strike me as being revelatory or anything. The scenes where he didn't want to go into the home for dinner with the MILF were the most hard-hitting for me.

The scene in the police station was a bit too dramatic for my taste as well.

>>84965294
White Entitlement: The Movie

>>84987427
>a movie which exists because of the fedora mentality
What does this mean? And if it means something why is how it was created relevant to the quality of the movie?

>>84987660
>The scene in the police station was a bit too dramatic for my taste as well.

It's the classic histrionics of the guy who doesn't really want to kill himself. It doesn't bode well for his attempts to parent his brother's waste of jizz.

>>84987688
The rest of the sentence you're quoting explains what it means. The motivation for the creation of a work is obviously significant to its quality. Why are you being wilfully stupid?

>>84965294
Not very realistic tbpfwy famalamadingdong I am a janitor and I get mad pussy.

>>84987712

I was actually going to use the word histrionics but I didn't want to come off as a pseud. I don't know, I suppose it's just too schmaltzy and cliche for me to take seriously, even if it does happen

>>84965801
This.

>>84966687
Sorry to get so personal, and I know this isn't nearly as traumatic as having your kids killed, but my sister and I were taken away from our birth mother and father when I was around 5 months old and they got divorced because of it. Fast forward 10 years my father was already remarried and my mother had at least 3 children with another man. Now I'm 18, about to turn 19, and my mother has 5 children and my father I literally haven't heard from in years but we assume he's still married. And before anyone asks I've lived with my grandparents all my life.

So yeah, people can move on surprisingly fast.

>>84987905
Agreed. Don't think we should be shy of calling it by its name, fuck the inverted snobs. Histrionic personality disorder is even the technical term - or used to be, don't know if they've updated it - for the mindset of people who do that kind of showboating.

>>84987507
So basically this whole board should also kill themselves right now because they are just chickenshit burden?

>>84988118
No, I'm not a burden to anyone and I actively have stuff to live for, the dude in the film doesn't, and Patrick's best hope is to go for a good price to some organ harvesters.

>>84988118
>>84988233
But if you yourself are a burden and feel like you should kill yourself, I agree with you, middlebrow-anon.

>>84988233
You were most probably a chickenshit burden for your first 18 years of life just like Patrick. Why didn't you kill yourself then?

>>84988307
Why are you attempting this weak nonsense? You're only exposing yourself. Patrick isn't portrayed as someone credibly worth keeping alive. Nor is Lee portrayed as someone who credibly has anything to hope for. I did not commit suicide because I was never someone objectively better off dead. To portray characters who can fairly be described as no-hopers, and to refuse to allow them the basic dignity of choosing their own end, is moral cowardice, if the aim is any kind of realism.

>>84965294
Any good nudes?

>>84965294
We saw Ben's johnson in Gone Girl, do we see his brother's in this and is it of equal weight?

>>84988583
>Patrick isn't portrayed as someone credibly worth keeping alive
Are you now just baiting?
So aren't 99% of underage teenagers, are you really implying that you had purpose/goal in your life when you went to fucking high school and you weren't a burden to anyone? Should everyone in high school go kill themselves right now?
How is Patrick portrayed as someone who is better off dead? He has a boat, plays in a band, is in a hockey team and has two girlfriends, who would kill themself in that situation?
This must be bait, utterly retarded.

>>84988888
He's an average irritant, his band is shit, his habits are conformist. I don't know how this slid into the idea of him killing himself, because in reality, he wouldn't think to kill himself, but Lee should certainly kill himself rather than support him. There's no reason for there to be one more example of the 99%.

>>84988888
>>84988995
>worth keeping alive

In fact, you see, I said worth keeping alive - the person keeping him alive would be Lee.

>>84988995
We'll the character of Patrick is certainly contributing more to the society than us two arguing on this taiwanese sweater knitting board on a saturday night. And maybe his band won't be shit, maybe his hockey team will get somewhere, maybe he'll make a whole career out of that boat. And the chance of any of that happening is greatly diminished if Lee just kills himself.
Ergo, Lee has to support him.

>>84988888
>>84988995
>>84989043

I think you also need to be serious here - yes, I had purpose and goals in high school, and the financial burden was my parents', of course. I wasn't randomly loaded onto the shoulders of a relative who could barely keep himself alive. Lee's ethical decision is not like a parent's.

>>84989210
What I do the rest of the time contributes to society, but contribution to society is not quite the point. No, there's no "ergo" here at all. We're shown that his band is shit. His hockey team doesn't matter. His career doesn't matter. Why are you identifying with the parasite and getting sentimental about him? Clearly, you think people like Lee should allow themselves to be plowed into the ground to keep people like Patrick alive. But Patrick is nothing special. It doesn't matter how he feels about himself, if he died, nothing would change. Bear in mind that he didn't have to be written that way. He was written as a nothing by a filmmaker who seems only to want to tell stories about nothings. Why is this your idea of serious art?

>>84989245
>>84989342
But Patrick being randomly loaded onto the shoulders of Lee was what saved Lee, made him progress as a human being, not just being stuck in a dead loop of doing his tasks and drinking away the misery afterwards.

>He was written as a nothing
No, he was written as a standard teenager. Do you think "serious art" is films only about extraordinary people?

>>84989467
>But Patrick being randomly loaded onto the shoulders of Lee was what saved Lee, made him progress as a human being, not just being stuck in a dead loop of doing his tasks and drinking away the misery afterwards.

But that's such Pollyannaish shit, don't you see? It's got nothing to do with reality. Lee's "miserable" life is what most people's lives are. If you're going to depict that at all - and I don't think you should - then you should honor the endurance involves or allow your character a decent exit. Not give him a bigger reason to go under and pretend it's a release.

>standard

You seem to be confused. No-hopers don't have anything to look forward to. This is standard. A story worth telling must be about people who seem to be worth looking at. Therefore, obviously, it has to be about exceptions - it has to give its characters' lives shapes and motives; in a word, meaning. You can put facsimiles of futile lives on screen, but watching those films is a futile activity. No film is completely irredeemable until it's over, however, This film is completely irredeemable.

Why is Patrick's survival worthwhile, other than because you have little enough personality to identify with a bundle of identikit attributes?

>>84989806
*the endurance involved

>>84989806
and that should be
>until it's over, however. This film

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>>84967960

Its a gay movie. Pointlessly sad with nothing to take away from it. I watched it during an airplane flight and stuck in that confined space I stuck it out with the movie hoping that it would be good.. somehow. In retrospect alternating my time between looking at the clouds and restudying the emergency evacuation sheet would have been a better experience.

>>84990162
Clouds are great.

>>84990162
>Pointlessly sad with nothing to take away from it.

You summed it up in a sentence.

>>84990162
You would fuck Michelle Williams like an animal though, right? Especially now she looks skeevy from the botox.

>>84965431
>>84965462
Absolutely shit taste, consider suicide. They could easily have used some typical generic DUDE EPIC ORCHESTRAL MUSIC but they didn't, it was all very subdued and executed extremely well.

>>84990298
Really hope that this guy talking about non-typical music isn't talking about the Albinoni Adagio, which is babby's first classical and drew a groan from me when it came on.

>>84965294
This would have been a better poster if they didn't both look like they needed a piss.

>>84989806
>allow your character a decent exit
Yes, Patrick allowed him that.

>Not give him a bigger reason to go under and pretend it's a release.
Where does he pretend, why do you think it's worse? Isn't Lee happier at the end of the movie with Patrick on the boat than in the beginning of the film (in the present timeline) where he does his job out of town and lives in that small room all by himself?

>Why is Patrick's survival worthwhile
Because his survival is depending on the survival of Lee, both are depending on each other. Now you could say that they both deserve to die (which is absurd), but then I could say that the suicide of any of them could trigger suicide in all the people close to them also.
And I never said I indentified or related with him, I think relating is a pretty surface-level argument for a film because you can relate to a certain character while the film is still atrocious.

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>ctrl-f middlebrow
17, why middlebrow anon?

>>84990622
The film is pretending. A burden isn't a release. He's happier because the film is lying, that's the point. He should kill himself.

But Lee's survival isn't worthwhile. There's no deserving about it. Why would it be a bad thing for either of them to die? Why would it be a bad thing for the entire community to die, bearing in mind that none of them has been written with a compelling or interesting reason to exist? We come back to the fact that I have no reason to care about these sadsacks.

No, I said you identified with him, because that's the only reason you'd get so upset about the imaginary rights of a parasite.

But of course I've been baiting you - I've never even seen this film, I wouldn't watch such middlebrow garbage. For the first two hours I didn't even know the characters' names, and you didn't even notice, because you're stupid! It's been fun.

>>84990739
Because it's neither art nor honest garbage. It's a movie for people who want to think they're thinking. Hence the arbitrary narrative structure and trick editing. But it's basically a baggy agglomeration of scenes about nobodies.

>>84990809
You should be grateful, too - without my posts and your replies, there would probably have only been about forty replies to this thread. It's not the kind of thing anyone here likes, really - it's not highbrow or lowbrow enough. Guess what brow it is? That's right.

>>84990809
Nicely baited, hope they find an autism cure one day.

>>84990905
This was to >>84990622, of course.

>>84990945
There's no point in this kind of thing, you're a clown.

>>84990905
Most of /tv/ loves the movie. You can look up in the archive all the past Manchester by the Sea threads. See you in another thread brainlet autismbro.

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>>84990868
You use a lot of big words that you don't need to use, you sound like an idiot.

The film's predictability, reflected in my being able to wing it for hours to make sure no middlebrow murder candidates got a real discussion of it going, should give you pause. Can a movie that is already so obvious before even being seen really have any merit?

>>84991081
Lots of people lack taste. Even if it were true, which an earlier post confirmed that it wasn't, it would only indicate that you're one of many peasants.

>>84991124
It doesn't matter what I sound like to you, you like shit.

>>84991141
How is it obvious if you haven't seen it? Why do you think you got all those replies if you made any sense? Your every post was "yeah they should kill themselves and you're middlebrow" again and again.
You've already been called out to be baiting also because how much nonsense you were spewing.

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>>84991242
But I never even said I did like it anon.

>>84991280
Exactly, idiot. How is it so obvious when I haven't even seen it? Because the kind of thing that it is can only achieve so much. No, you said I was baiting once, and I batted you away from the thought. This was after HOURS. It wasn't nonsense. I've done your self-esteem a favor. This movie is about organ banks.

>>84991394
There's no point in this son, your thread is kill.

>>84976981
>Also can anyone please explain the significance of that guy in Patrick's band being corrected on his drum skills? That happens twice so I assume there's something meaningful in there which I couldn't grasp.

It's to show that things haven't changed much for Patrick. By the drummer's frustrated yet submissive reaction, you can tell he's used this sort of thing. Every group of friends has a member who catches a little more flak than the others, especially when there's a girl present, and despite his father's death, the dynamic of him and his friends hasn't changed much.

Think about when Lee says to Patrick "I can't beat it." Because everything in his life changed when he lost his family. His very system of support vanished. As long as Patrick still has these people in his life, his band, his girlfriends, etc, he has a way better chance to "beat it." Patrick will one day feel normal. Lee never will.

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Would this movie have been better with pic related in the lead?

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>>84991515
>There's no point in this son
Indulge me faggot.

>>84991574
You think that guy's still reading? It's been six hours.

>>84991471
Yes, you kept changing subject while spewing the same "but he should kill himself" brainlet autist garbage. Feel free to ask mommy for your meds now, it's about time.

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>>84991590
If you want to fill up some of the remaining posts with pictures of frogs, go ahead. Here's a picture of Doug.

>>84991623
Shit man I didn't bother to check. Just opened the thread.

How about you, then. Any thoughts on my analysis?

>>84991632
No, I never changed the subject, and it's not garbage. Peasants like the people in this movie should kill themselves. Why are you pretending not to be the victim in this? You're not in the dominant position, I controlled you for six hours. That's reality.

>>84991721
I think the point of it is well stated here >>84977058

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>>84991660
That's not a frog anon.

>>84991738
>I never changed the subject
Yes you did, for every answer you just replied with a question without ever touching upon the answer.

>it's not garbage
Yes it was just a bunch of uncoherent kiddo autistical kys sentences.

The meds are waiting, mommy is calling.

>>84991843
Dude, anyone who cares to look can see your posts and mine. Why lie? I answered every question you asked me.

No, it's not garbage. And "uncoherent" isn't a word, peasant.

>>84965294
Obviously movies like this are for people who don't really like cinema. Anyone who disagrees with that is part of the problem.

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>>84965294
It's good to know that some things never change.

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>>84965294
There's a real undercurrent of something... middlebrow.

>>84991982
Yeah, you answered every question clearly right. And you didn't just ignore half of my answers right.

>"Look at that cubicle shot, is that so we can see the back of Lee wtf you middlebrow peasents wtf????"
That's your autism brain, no one would ever utter something as retarded as that unless they are mentally challenged. I feel sorry for you anon, hope the meds help.

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>>84965294
Not quite my tempo.