What is Mann's best film and why is it Miami Vice?

>>84945003
because you touch yourself at night

LA Takedown, obviously.

>>84945003
Miami Vice is so underrated. Also my favorite one.

Heat remains my favourite

Miami Vice would be top 3 for sure with Thief rounding out the 3.

>>84945003
Interesting thread, OP. These days I have rediscovered this movie, mainly for its cinematography. It has a lot of plot issues, and even poor acting choices (I also heard that Fox(x) was acting as a bitch and ruined the planned finale in Havana) but the cinematography is out of this world. It stands as a masterpiece on that alone, but not on much else. Still, the atmosphere is the best thing you can achieve in a movie and I'm content at just looking at how scenes were shot.

One question though. Shootouts are different than in Heat, he didn't seem to use 'realistic' sounds, that is rifles sound pretty subdued. Perhaps an hommage to the show that I barely watched?

WHO WHO WHAT ARE YA A FUCKEN OWL

>>84945003

>What is Mann's best film and why is it Thief?

ftfy

>>84946152
>>84945270
I watched the Thief, nothing special. It has a decent gritty story but the cinematography is much weaker than in his later efforts. Action scenes are poor, it looks like a Schrader movie, like Rolling Thunder or something. Not bad but far from aesthetics Mann established later.

>>84946185

Yeah I agree the action scenes aren't much, but I really enjoyed the expository dialogue and Caan's acting. Maybe the fact I love Tangerine Dream influences me too much, but I think this was his best after Heat. Is there any others worth checking out?

>>84946185
I would say it's the genesis of what would become his aesthetic and what would become the themes that would run throughout his movies going forward as he hones his craft into what it is today. Watch Thief and Blackhat back to back. Blackhat is more stripped down, but thematically and I would argue aesthetically, you may disagree, there are distinct similarities.

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>>84946185
>thief
>weak cinematography

pick one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY

also dat soundtrack

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>>84946398
a webm I made a while ago

>>84946289
I've watched all Mann's movies except for Keep and Last of the Mohicans, they're all worth checking out. Even braindead plot ones like Blackhat have outstanding action sequences. I consider Mann to be a true romantic, he is not too articulated in his worldviews, you might even say he's a genius and a plebeian in one person but he's drawn to the ocean, to the cityscape in a way that few people working today are. I'd connect some of his sentiments to movies like Gothic, even though he's closest to James Cameron in terms of aesthetics.

>>84946398
Well, yeah, Mann really came into his own with advent of better equipment (I'm not familiar with what exactly changed but it seems Thief was shot on far cheaper rigs).

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>>84946527
>Even braindead plot ones like Blackhat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dion_Beebe

HIGH
SPEED
DIGITAL
VIDEO

>>84946555
>Thief was shot on far cheaper rigs

Panavision 35mm, nothing cheap about it.

It is gritty, but that is obviously deliberate. I mean we're talking about the guy who shoots stuff on VIDEO, and you think celluloid looks cheap?

>>84946655
I don't understand technology enough to engage in this discussion. I'm enchanted by what Dion Beebe did and what was done in Heat.

>>84945003
Bad Boys II>Miami Vice

Heat is Mann's best.

No love for Manhunter?

>>84946751
Thief is so much better than Heat lol

>>84945003
Heat obviously

>>84946117
Jamie Foxx seemingly ruined Miami Vice. He and Colin Farrell had zero chemistry probably because they hated each other. It seems like the script was rewritten to give them as little screentime together as possible.

Call me a pleb, but the only answer is Collateral.

>>84946834
hell no