>You will never see Ungoliant btfo Morgoth on the big screen

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>>84941524
Please spoonfeed me the story behind that pic

>tfw fantasy kino is dead

>>84941570
Looks like Morgoth is leading an army of Balrogs to fight Ungoliant
Probably a scene from Silmarillion.

>>84941570
>embodiment of evil betrays other embodiment of evil

>>84941524
christopher tolkien is 92

>>84941570
Morgoth, a giant spider, btfos Satan of the LOTR universe who has to get his Balrogs to save him.

>>84941630
>moorgoth a giant spider
you had one job

>>84941570

Giant nigga spida reks another big ass nigga of hell so satan aint the best no mo'

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>>84941570
Melkor/Morgoth stole a bunch of magic diamonds and fled to Middleearth. Ungoliant tried to mug him, at first Morgoth hands over the goods.
But then the spider asks for Silmarills. Morgoth goes:
>Nah, I need them for stuff
Ungolianth gets angry and attacks with a screech. Morgoth gets hurt, cries out in pain.
Balrogs hear their master's pain AND TEAR THEMSELVES FROM THE GROUND, whip spider's ass and chase her away.

I'd rather see Feanor vs Balrogs

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So, out of the things to pick from LOTR, they chose the story of a midget carrying a ring from point A to point B, instead of this giant monster?

>>84941630
>Morogoth, a giant spider
Yeah he btfo's the dark lord Frodo with his army of M. Bisons.

Silmarillion would work better as a HBO Mini-series.

After Christopher dies of course and his based son gets the rights.

>>84941570
Morgoth - the sole evil Vala (second tier gods) - teams up with a thing from beyond the outer layer of reality - Ungoliant - in order to go steal the Silmarils - really fucking amazing jewellery made by a faggot elf. After stealing them they go head back to Ungoliant's base to divide their spoils however Morgoth betrays Ungoliant and tries to keep them for himself, whereupon the giant spider attempts to eat him as punishment.

Morgoth cries out with such pain and terror that his lieutenants the Balrogs - Maiar (third tier gods) corrupted during the conception of the world by Morgoth's distortion of the song of creation - come rushing to his aid from across a country and drive Ungoliant off.

The silmarillion is pretty much literally unfilmable btw op.

>>84941570
A spider with everlasting hunger. She was an ally of Melkor (Sauron's old boss) and eats some powerful elvish trees. She became so big and powerful after this that she tries to eat Melkor but his balrogs save him.

She is Shelob's mother. .

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>>84941745
The First Age of LOTR is utterly insane, and includes a magic flying ship crashing into a giant dragon which kills it. It's dead body creates some of the mountains in LOTR.

>>84941808
Is this all canon or just some sloppy second writers that create fanfics?

>>84941745
its from the silmarillion and tolkien's kids arent letting hollywood have the rights to that because they saw the previous films and are understandably butthurt that hollywood took huge shits on their patriarch's legacy

>>84941829
Yes it's canon but it isn't easy reading.

The silmarillion is kind of like the Bible for the LOTR universe.

>>84941829
It's sorta half canon

Tolkein wrote it but he died before it could be fully refined so it was collated by his son and published that way.

>>84941829
There are no official LOTR fanfics. Everything is done by Tolkien.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Morgoth

>>84941524
Balrogs don't have wings, horns, they're not 5m tall and they don't look like devils
>>84941808
Ancalagon wasn't that big, not even remotely.

>>84941905
>Ancalagon wasn't that big, not even remotely.

kill yourself retard

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The universe of LOTR was literally created by music and the source of all evil in the world is a guy that didn't make his music in tune with what Eru Illuvatar (God) wanted.

What the fuck was his problem?

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>>84941829
No, the only cannon are the stories of The Cottage of Lost Play with Eriol/Ælfwine, talking about things like Glorund The Dragon and how some elves did exist during England's Middle Ages.

>>84941914
First of all, that's not nice.
Second point, he wasn't that big. War destroys beleriand, does that mean armies were exclusively made out of giants?

>>84941976
except he is that big

when he fell his body crushed three different mountains

>>84941956
Everyone doing the same music is boring.

>>84941985
Again and beleriand was destroyed by the warring of the armies, does that imply that the soldiers that fought in the war were as big as giants?
No, because the power of something isn't a function of its size in tolkien's world. For example Durin's bane destroys the side of the mountain while falling after being killed by gandalf. Yet balrogs are around 2m tall.

>>84941769
>She is Shelob's mother. .
did she breed with a spiderlet or something?

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>>84941905
>Ancalagon wasn't that big, not even remotely.
damn right.

>>84941914
We have no indication of his size. Just that his fall destroyed mountains.

>>84942059
That pic was probably done by the same guy who made the big death star in mary sue awakens.

>>84941956
Melkor was initially annoyed because God made him first and then sat around doing nothing. In fact he was so mad that he set out on his own to search the infinite nothingness that was """"creation"""" for the flame of creation aka the 'Secret Fire' (Gandalf mentions this very briefly when he fights the Balrog in Moria). While on his quest Melkor developed a thus far unknown concept which we would understand as 'Free Will.'

When the time finally came, instead of blindly obeying god Melkor thought to instead try and create something of his own. However much he tried though God and the other Ainur would sing that much louder to try and counter his own melody. Eventually after three rounds of Melkor singing his heart out trying to make something unique God got bored and told Melkor that only he could ever create anything and that Melkor should stop trying to oppose him.

After this Melkor descended onto Arda and tried to fuck it up as much as he could, though was repeatedly stopped by the other Ainur in the name of Eru Illuvatar.

tl;dr god's a fucking fag

>>84942008
Durin's Bane still hit the mountain though.

Unless Ancalagon is huge there's no way for him to hit three different mountains at once during his fall. I.e. his body could reach between three different mountain peaks.

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>>84942086
>t. dragonlet

>>84941808
>It's dead body creates some of the mountains in LOTR.

The entire area that battle took place is under water by the time of lord of the rings

>>84941745

Lord of the Rings is a much better story. Silmarillion was never actually finished and is a clusterfuck to read with a billion names and locations

>>84942143
Is it? I genuinely struggled to put names to places when reading the Silmarillion. Numenor seemed to be in the Sky or something, and the map in the back wasn't much use.

>>84941881
>using lotr.wikia
>not using the superior tolkien gateway

>>84942062
Yeah, his fall destroyed the three peaks of the biggest mountains on the planet

>>84942161
The Silmarillion is fine as it is. It's just not a narrative novel in the same way that LOTR is.

It reads more like the Bible than Ulysses.

>>84942286
>not using Tolkien's writings

>>84942114
>tl;dr god's a fucking fag
from your story melkor comes off as the complete fucking dick though

>>84942355
Melkor is a complete fucking dick, He can't create,only destroy. Everything that he has ever made is only capable of destroying further.

>>84942008
That's a stupid comparison and you know it, child

>>84942355
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, MELKOR IS /OUR GUY/

The bible is more thrilling.

>>84942355
How?
By trying to be unique?

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>>84941748

>>84941956
He just wanted to ROCK!

Melkor was good boy.

>>84943803
He literally wasn't. If anything he was an autistic pos that wanted to create his own thing because he was jealous of his father's creation. Literally a god with the mind of a kid.

>>84941524
>Ungoliant has manhands
gross

>>84941743
Why does the big fire goat dude have a face on his crotch?

>>84941524
I like that pic

>>84941905
>His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings… suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall …

>>84944146
Well, why did Eru create him like that, then? Eru's the twat no matter which way you cut it. Could have given Melkor a sandbox universe to play around with if he created the poor man(???) with an urge to create stuff himself

>>84944528
He didn't create him "like that" he just created him and he happened to be a dick. This isn't like our God who gives people free will or whatever

>>84942929
I WANNA ROCK

>>84942059
I cant even begin to imagine how huge that fucking dragon is, I feel that Middle earth must be at least 10 times the size of Earth for that dragon to be able to live.

>>84942139
kek

>>84941524
>Give it to me!
>I must have it!
>Precious treasure!
>I deserve it!
>Where can i run?
>Where can i hide the Silmarils?
>Gems of tree-life
>Their life belongs to me!

>>84945630
I thought Middle-Earth was literally ancient Earth, though

>>84942008
>For example Durin's bane destroys the side of the mountain
Thats not true and you know it

Why is everyone in Tolkiens universe such a douche? Fuck everyone really.
Name one redeaming character

>>84941570
The physical embodiment of a black hole tries to steal magical jewels from Satan who promptly summons his demonic underlings from the depths of the earth to save his ass. The black hole flees, gives birth to the race of giant spiders and literally eats itself to death to sate its unending hunger.

>>84945864
Earendil? He's such a good guy he got cucked into sailing a flying boat over the world forever.

>>84945899
I don't know him. That doesnt sound very good.

>>84945864
Faramir. They butchered his character in the films
>if I found it on the roadside I would not take it

>>84942355
Because he is. While Melkor originally had good intentions, IE filling The Void with life, he only sought to do so to exalt himself. The music of the ainur was a group effort, all the angels were embodiments of Eru's infinite creativity. Melkor was a jack of all trades kind of guy and so thought he could one up everyone else and work alone. But everything he "discovered" originally came from his Creator, he did not discover anything new but he was too proud to admit it.

Then when he realizes the futility of his cause he throws a millenia long temper tantrum like an angry toddler denied his toy. From then on he works according to the principle "If I cannot have it, no one can".

>>84945630

It'd have to be like jupiter sized assuming the fucker eats and it's not magic handwaving bullshit

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>>84945899
>Earendil
>good

>>84946002

>Melkor confirmed for female

>>84946002
LITERALLY /ourguy/

>>84945864
Turin. Wincest redeems all.

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>>84946002
this. melkor was literally 24/7 fuck your couch.

>>84941570
Morgoth, who is basically Lucifer, enlists Ungoliant in a mission. Ungoliant's origin is unknown since we dont know if she of the Valar or from the void. Valar are the angelic beings Eru (God) created as helpers. Valar being high tier like Morgoth (the most powerful), and Maiar are lower in power, like Sauron and Gandalf. Gandalf and the wizards are a special case since they were made into physical bodies to limit their powers and not become Facists like Sauron.

Morgoth at the start of his career was more powerful than all (11) the other valar combined. He also was the Smartest, so he was basically like Trump and made walls all over the place and everyone freaked the fuck out.

But he wore himself thin, spending his power (like mana from Diablo) on shit like creating orcs, dragons and whatever.

Then there was this autistic elf who made shit, i forget his name, but he made pretty stones. Melkor/morgoth got jelly and decided to poop on the parade and hired a spider-whore of unknown origins to help him.

She drank dry the wells, she ate the trees that were the current source of light on arda (the earth), and they pulled a diamon heist. Whilst on their getaway, spidey ate some gems and got swole, demanded the silmarills (autism made gems), Morgoth denied it and got rekt. Called out for help and Balrogs came whipping.

>>84941524
We may never SEE the fight, but we can HEAR the fight if you like metal

https://youtu.be/kZ1bbXUEweQ

>>84942354
>not being tolkien

>>84945800

OH IT'S SWEET HOW THE

DARKNESS IS FLOATING AROUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUND

W E A R E F O L L O W I N G

T H E

W I L L

O F T H E

O N E
N
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>>84944715
>This isn't like our God
yeah, lucifer totally turned out a-ok!

>>84941524
>>You will never see Ungoliant btfo Morgoth on the big screen

And thank God for that. .

you should read Silmarillion for that even alone
I mean, Morgoth is the biggest power in Arda, but even he was scared of Ungoliant

>>84944715
Are you retarded? If you literally created all of existence, you created the guy who is a dick, and you created him to be a dick. Can't be a dick if you're created as a nice person or whatever.

>>84942059
he was a little bigger than a house

>>84945630

because the image is fake

>>84941743
>Ungoliant tried to mug him

who helped you get those magic diamonds in the first place brah?

>>84941905

there's one in every thread...

0/10 you can't frustrate me herr derr

>>84945847

kek, he's right tho, it's not true

>>84950788
What? The balrog only broke the place he landed on not the whole mountain side

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>>84941769
>>84946563
>>84945875

if Ungoliant had all the power of the Silmarills, how did she lose to the Balrogs?

>>84941905
Balrog isn't a species, it's a class of beings,like valar or maiar. There could have been balrog with wings, horns, etc. because they're all different. Hell even ungoliant the giant spider is a balrog

>>84951072
Each balrog was a lesser sauron tier entity and depending on which version you want to believe there were thousands of balrogs that answeres his call or several dozen

>>84945875

I love drugs.

>>84951193
>several dozen

Balrogs were kinda special, there were not a ton of them

there were other 'high-level' creatures wandering around Arda before the Third Age, like including Ungoliant, the 5 Istari, Melian Queen of Doriath, and some OLD elves like Fingolfin, Thingol, etc

...lets not talk about Tom Bombadil and Goldberry

>>84951182
>even ungoliant the giant spider is a balrog

No.
Balrog = Maiar
Ungoliant = Maiar
Balrog =/= Ungoliant

>>84951750
>Ungoliant = Maiar
[citation needed]

>>84951750
>Ungoliant = Maiar
Ungoliant was something else that came from the reaches of the world never explained.

>>84951750
>Ungoliant = Maiar
I know the source your basing your assumptions on but the fact is there are several evidence that point to ungoliant NOT being a maiar

>>84951750
>>84951866
>>84951882
>>84951915
ungoliant is a cthulu

just like the thing durin's bane fled from when he fell down the lake

>>84941524

Unfortunately the silmarillion getting the Hollywood treatment is probably inevitable if there is a buck to be made

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>>84952008

bane ?

>>84942114
>>84942408
>>84946002
Do gnostics have to ruin every franchise with their moral relativistic indulgence of evil?

>muh free will
free will existed within the bounds of Gods creation, hence the ability to go against it. Possessing free will is not an imperative to go against divine intentions, quite the opposite, it is to enrich the relationship between the Creator and the created by having it be a willing endeavor on both ends.

>>84952378
>being this stupid
I feel sorry for you, filthy christcuck. Admit, you don't have free will, notice how ou choose an option? its a unviersal constant

>>84941524
Morgoth did nothing wrong

>>84952439
> Admit, you don't have free will, notice how ou choose an option? its a universal constant
what the fucks is this gibberish?

>>84947005
dude this music is so f*ckin epic, i could beat up my bullies to this!

>>84945864
Tom

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Wanna fight?

What's his tax policy?

>>84941570
Ungoliant is a primeval entity outside of the godly realm of Maiar/Valar but still very powerful on her own.

Morgoth is a high tier of god, a Valar, and is the only blatantly evil one. He is also the strongest but all the other gods are cooperating so he's constantly on the ropes from them.

Morgoth takes Ungoliant to the other Valar's lands and has her run a distraction by drinking the magic from the Tree of Day and the Tree of Night, (The tree of Day would bloom during the day with bright vibrant light, the tree of Night would bloom at night with soft, cool light.) While the Valar were losing their collective shit because the proto-sun and proto-moon suddenly stopped working, Morgoth stole the Silmarils (Three precious gems crafted by the elven Prince Fenor, not even the Valar Aule the Craftsmen, the god of craftsmanship, could recreate them. Said to contain a glimmer of the light of creation). The plan worked, Morgoth escaped with the Silmarils and Ungoliant escaped after eating the two trees.

Once far enough away from the other gods, Ungoliant sees the Silmarils and wants them, because everyone wants them. Morgoth says no. Ungoliant is super amped on all the magic she just ate so she fights Morgoth and kicks his ass, cursing his body to where his hand doesn't work and he is stuck in his humanoid form (Valor and Maiar can sort-of-shapeshift, though Maiar less so) Morgoth's minions come when they hear him getting his ass kicked to back him up but Ungoliant eats one of the Silmarils because shes a dumb primeval entity and eating is all she does. Well the Silmarils are magic as fuck so they start killing her from the inside out. Unfortunately for her it takes a long time and hurts like a bitch so she runs off and dies.

Imo, one of the better stories in the Silmarillion. the book is like a bible and this is a great part to show how evil begets evil and how deals with bad people are never worth it.

10/10 would pay to watch.

>>84951750
Ungoliant was not a Maiar but a primeval part of the song of creation that was sung into being my Eru. All Maiar had a patron Valar they were beholden to, who refreshed their pool of magic. Ungoliant had no suck thing. What's more, she created the race of monstrous spiders from nothing, and not even Morgoth, the strongest Valar, had the power to create from nothing.

>>84941524
> With John Peters as the producer.

Nigga knows his giant spiders.

>>84952729
Did Feanor kill baby Balrogs? How did Morgoth handle the distribution of food among his troops in a barren wasteland?

>>84945630
the middle earth you know from the films is an absolutely tiny tiny part of the planet Arda. It is the cape of one of the absolutely gargantuan supercontinents of which there are 4

>>84954242
Dunno bro, it's extremely straightforward, predictable and lamely presented on top of being one-sided. It would be better if the actors were hedonic actors with known fixed strategies and the pareto and nash optimums were discussed.

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Is this basically the Simarillion?

>>84955370
nah

>>84955370
is gnosticism even a thing? How many followers does it have?

>>84952439
>it's another retard thinks he's clever episode

>>84941570
The ultimate, original evil in the LOTR universe - Sauron's former master - gets fucking rekt by a giant demonic spider and barely escapes, in pain and walking with a limp for the rest of his life.

>>84954242
It sounds like two junkies robbing a dealer's house

>>84957150
Kek

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Does it have detailed scenes describing taxes and girls shitting brown water in a field?

>>84941743
Morgoth sounds like a pussy, t b h

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Ungoliant is my waifu

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>>84957566

He got weaker and weaker as time went on as he spread his power.

He went from being second to Eru to weaker than Sauron was in the 2nd Age

>>84956922
Allegedly you can also still hear Morgoth's screams within that mountain range to this day.

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>>84957566
>And he descended upon Arda in power and majesty greater than any other of the Valar, as a mountain that wades in the sea and has its head above the clouds and is clad in ice and crowned with smoke and fire; and the light of the eyes of Melkor was like a flame that withers with heat and pierces with a deadly cold."

Nah, you is the pussy

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>>84958081

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>>84958081

But his taxes...

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>>84958168
Who the fuck are these ugly motherfuckers meant to be?

>>84954242
>Balrogs hear their master's pain AND TEAR THEMSELVES FROM THE GROUND
Evil beings expressing devotion and loyalty is a fictional trope that makes my dick rock hard.

I'm getting shivers just thinking about it.

>>84958426
>pirated everything from tolkien
>he even stole the R.R.
what did GRRM mean by this

>>84958646
You'll be happy to know they all deserted him in his moment of crisis

as time goes on I feel everything will be re-made and made if itsnt already not many original ideas around hollywood

>>84958874
You mean when Ancalagon got hammered at the party and fell down? You'd desert him, too, anon.

>>84958081
So you're saying he's a big guy?

>>84958874
That actually makes me sad. We get enough of those stories of evil consuming and betraying itself.

I like the idea that evil beings respect alliances and will hold themselves to their word and believe in the value of cooperation. It's even better when they put aside their differences to rally against an even bigger evil. They have few friends to begin with, it doesn't serve anybody to go abouts betraying each other when the going gets tough.

>>84959186
>It's even better when they put aside their differences to rally against an even bigger evil.

The valar aren't evil and you cant get any more evil than the literal manifestation of... well, evil

>>84959298
Ahem, except for Ungoliant, anon.

>>84959298
Hopefully you can understand how I see it.

Maybe I can give another example. Mike Carey's comic series Lucifer.

In the story Lucifer, former caretaker of Hell, goes up against a panel of ancient evils with parity in power and throughout the series shows that he while he has a reputation for being an evil fucker, his most dominant trait is that he's actually the fairest actor in the universe, surpassing even the agents of heaven.

And that's awesome.

>>84954242
She never ate one of the Silmarils. She ate a handful of lesser jewels that powered her up but didn't hurt her like a Silmaril would.

>>84941751
Chris Alberth? He's on Starz now, no?

>>84959864
didn't she eat up yggdrassil?

>>84941905
>>84944482
It sounds like they don't have literal wings, but they have some kind of physical darkness around them that can take the form and function of wings.

>>84956746
It was a major branch of Christianity during the earliest centuries of the church before dying out.

>>84952608
>Completely immune to the rings corruption
>Could just hide the ring and protect it by SINGING
>Does nothing

By water wood and biggest douche in the world

>>84958646
>Evil beings expressing devotion and loyalty is a fictional trope that makes my dick rock hard.
>I'm getting shivers just thinking about it.
You ever read the chronicles of thomas covenant the unbeliever?

How about you, anon? Yes you. You should read it too.

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>>84941751

>>84945864
Ulmo

Just how strong is Tom?

>>84959186
>I like the idea that evil beings respect alliances and will hold themselves to their word and believe in the value of cooperation
Never happens, basically. Assholes gonna be assholes. Lawful Evil was a mistake.

>>84963197
Almost nine cycles in base strength

>>84952008
I imagine they're a different kind of being that was born at the dawn of Varda due to the disharmony of Melkor and his Maiar during its creation.

>>84941743
>tried to mug him
melkor the cunt promised to feed him with both hands but didn't, ungoliant was in the right and got lynched for standing up to melkor.

>>84941751
silmarillion would work best as an anime.

>>84944920
there was this italian game channel called game network on the satellite i came across as as i was discovering the joys of porn when i was 10 or 11, and after a sneaky fap i'd always switch to game network, they'd have gameplay and reviews, but also music videos they made with game trailers, introduced me to a bunch of great musical acts and songs. i'm writing this because the trailer for the return of the king had twisted sister's wake up (the sleeping giant) playing behind it, and i was really into lotr at the time, and even though i forget most things the harmony of twisted sister and shitty ps2 graphics lotr never left my mind. i miss my youth and hate being and adult

>>84942059
i love how the ancalagon's size discussion is just like a "this bible passage is literal/figurative" discussion. goes to show how great silmarillion is.

>>84963197
Quick rundown on him:
>Wizards bow to Bombadil
>In contact with Ainur
>Possess psychic-like abilities
>Control Old Forest with an iron but fair fist
>Own yellow boots & barrows globally
>Said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Middle-earth has only existed deep in Moria & Nargothrond
>Ancient Noldor scriptures tell of an angel who will descend upon Middle-earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented nonsensical singing with it
>He owns rubber boot R&D labs around the world
>Bombadil is in regular communication with the Maiar Eönwë and Ossë, forwarding the word of Manwë to the White Council
>Learned fluent Entish in under a week
>Dwarven states entrust their gold reserves with Tom. There’s no gold in Lonely Mountain, only Ft. Bombadil
>Tom is about 7 millenia old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
>In reality, he is a timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the Great Music to the end of the universe. We don’t know his ultimate plan yet. We hope he's a benevolent being.

>>84963309
Ungoliant is from Outside....

>>84959991
yes, it was mostly her eating the two trees that gave her the power to fight and beat melkor.

>>84964474
She didn't eat them, she poisoned them.

>>84964500
melkor wounded the trees, ungoliant drank both the trees and their essence that was kept in the wells of varda.
t. tolkien gateway

>>84941905
but maia can manifest their forms in different ways...Gandalf in middle earth doesnt even look like Gandalf in his native form back home

>>84962523
I'm receptive of suggestions but it's ten fucking books. Can I just do the first three or is this one of those things where it doesn't get good until the 7th book.

>>84941956
He was KVLT as fuck

>>84964773
>I'm receptive of suggestions but it's ten fucking books. Can I just do the first three or is this one of those things where it doesn't get good until the 7th book.
Dude wrote the series. 6 books. It was good and fulfilling.

...20 years later he picked it back up for the last 4 and blew my fucking mind.

You don't have to read them all (although you won't be able to help yourself) you can read the first 3 and stop if you would like, or the next 3 too and stop there.

>>84964934
Okay, I'll pick it up. Thanks ahead of time.

>>84942292
Ancalagon could've been flying and in his descent to the ground hit all three peaks.

>>84942292
>>84942292
In fact, the throwing down of the thangorodrim mountains was probably symbolic, the mightiest beast of melkor was still overcome and it signified the end of his realm, represented by the mountains he built.

>>84949916
Eru may not be quite as omniscient as the abrahamic god. He does seem surprised when Aule creates the dwarves, suggesting the behavior of the ainur can surprise him

>>84945864
Finrod motherfucking Felagund.

>>84941743
>I'd rather see Feanor vs Balrogs
Weren't the original balrogs a lot smaller than FOTR Balrog?
Either way it says a lot if a single Elf wasn't immediately killed by them

>>84941570
The ass was fat

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>>84941808

>>84967739
The Silmarillion would be 10000 times better if this was canon desu

>>84941524
better that way.

>>84941524
THE FIELD IS LOST...
EVERYTHING IS LOST.

>>84968244
It is canon...

>>84942271
Numenor is off the coast of Gondor, towards the south near Rum. It sank like Atlantis.

>>84941524
and I want to keep it that way. Can you imagine how Hackson would butcher this?

>Fingolfin: "I could have anything in my pants"

>Feanor: "Or nothing"

>>84944377
Hey, /tv/! This anon doesn't even have a face on his crotch!

What a loser!

>>84941570
>two niggers stole some rich, angry white dude's silmarils
>fat nigger wants it
>manlet nigger doesn't wanna give it
>fight ensues
>manlet calls up his boys
>niggas with fire whips n shiet.
>start whipping fat nigger's ass
basically

>>84968380
I find it extremely hard to believe that Tolkien pictured Ancalagon as being big enough to hold an entire mountain in his hand. One beat of his wings would probably blow away entire cities.

>>84966620
The balrogs (like all maiar) can change their shape at will, you cant really pin them down

>>84968490
He most likely got his inspiration from jormungandr

>>84952517
Didn't you know, anon? Only having no choice is free will.

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>>84941524
>Ungoliant BTFO Melkor

That fat bitch has no friends, which is why Morgoth beat the shit out of her with his Balrog homies. If we are going to watch something from the Silmarillion it needs to be the fall of Gondolin not your gay Ungoliant vs Morgoth shit.

>>84942114
Illuvatar created him for that very same purpose, Tolkien explicit states that Melkor was created by Illuvatar to challenge the beauty of his works to prove their worth.

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>>84968667
Maedhros literally did nothing wrong

>>84941808
The passage that describes earendil's Ascension into the stars is some of the best imagery in the whole of Tolkien's works.

>>84968714
>challenge
He outright destroyed all that eru set out and created an entirely new aspect of existance, (or corruption) set apart from erus original plan.

He turned arda into an extension of his (morgoths) being to the point where it till the end of time all that are born within it will be to some extent evil

Eru is a hack of a god

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>>84968756
True, but the Noldor a shit overall. Still, the way feanor died was the most badass death sequence in all of literature. There is a reason why black metal fags admired tolkien.

>>84968885
Eru Illuvatar created him to destroy his own works so that he might create the second song and create a world even better than the first.

Eru is the best God, Melkor is a puppet of Eru Illuvatar by nature. Free will was the creation of Illuvatar and all Melkor could do was slightly change the essence of Illuvatar's works. Melkor proved the beauty of Illuvatar's works, desu.

>>84968967
So, instead of creating a perfect world from the outset and extinguishing morgoth with a thought he allowed the gradual decay of his creation (arda) and sat and watched as his "children" suffered pain and torment and increasing moral and physical degradation all the while preventing his janitors from actually doing anything?

...so eru was the bad guy all along

>>84968759
this

>>84968490
Literally no description other than "greatest of worms".

>>84941840
its only a matter of time before the wine and baget money runs out and they sell more rights...its inevitable

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I like this picture alot desu.

>>84958858
grrm is very flattering to Tolkien, you Tolkienfags cant stand any criticism how ever minor

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>>84969405
Artists always make Morgoth too big. Tolkien mentions that Morgoth steps on Fingolfin neck at the end of the fight, which indicates he's not that much larger than an elf. This pic would be pretty good if Fingolfin had black hair.

>>84941829
It is mythology within canon.

Tolkien never intended for the stories of the First Age to be "real" in the sense a modern novel tells a "real" history within the context of the book. They were always myth handed down to men by the elves, who are by themselves unreliable narrators.

All that stuff about Elwing turning into a swan, Earendil defeating Ancalagon, Gurthang talking to Turin, half of Beren and Luthien novels, are probably later interpolations of chronicles.

Heck, by the end of his life, Tolkien was considering even revising the entire cosmology of the Silmarillion, making Arda a round-world since the beginning and all the flat-earth mythology that he had created was to be considered Númenórean mythology. What else is "mythology" in his First Age stories is something we will never discover.

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>>84969477
Somebody made an edit of that pic with black hair, it's okay

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>>84969405

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>>84969618
>>84969405

>>84969477
>Artists always make Morgoth too big.
That's because he is. He is described as being like a tower and casting a shadow over Fingolfin.

>>84964237
kek

>>84968759
For me its this

>"Sit now there," said Morgoth," and look out upon the lands where evil and despair shall come upon those whom you have delivered to me. For you have dared to mock me, and have questioned the power of Melkor, Master of the fates of Arda. Therefore with my eyes you shall see, and with my ears you shall hear, and nothing shall be hidden from you."

this moment was pure horror

>>84969151
I think it's more that evil has to exist to beautify the world even more. There is a passage when Eru talks directly to Ulmo and he says that no matter how much shit Melkor tries to destroy, he is merely playing the role assigned to him, the chaotic and sometimes destructive force of nature that in the end gives way to even greater good. Melkor tries to boil the oceans with searing fire but all he manages to do is create clouds that bring rain which allows nature to prosper. And by combining the clouds with the water he unwittingly ties Manwe closer to Ulmo, his greatest foes since that is their realms respectively. Melkor's struggle is futile even he realizes it when he goes insane and tries instead to conquer the world and become a physical god-king, the difference is that while his brethren acknowledge that they are bound to a Divine Plan, Melkor is too proud to admit that he only has a small part to play.

>>84942139
In the story that Genesis later came from, God slays Leviathan, the great chaos dragon, and splits its body in half, the upper part becoming the sky, and the lower part the earth, holding back the waters above and below.

Is Dagor Dagorath some sort of a Ragnarok? So LOTR is based on the eddas?

>>84969867
well put anon

>>84969986
Yes

>>84964217
It's almost like Tolkien studied mythology and intersecting narratives from different traditions or something.

Game of thrones expertly knows how to evoke emotion.

bow down to the greatness, evoke those emotions

>>84969986
You can say that. Though whether it is canon is debatable, Tolkien never really cleared it up.

>>84970195
Why?

>>84968759
Are you even trying?

>Men called him Thû, and as a god
>in after days beneath his rod
>bewildered bowed to him, and made
>his ghastly temples in the shade.

>Not yet by men enthralled adored,
>now was he Morgoth's mightiest lord,
>Master of Wolves, whose shivering howl
>for ever echoed in the hills, and foul
>enchantments and dark sigaldry
>did weave and wield.

>In glamoury that necromancer held his hosts of phantoms and of wandering ghosts...

>>84944482
>like two vast wings
>LIKE two vast wings
>LIKE
>>84950734
You're wrong.
>>84951182
Just...no.
>>84964701
There's never an inkling of evidence of balrogs looking like devils and there are explicit descriptions of them as human-like, taller, shadowy-firey figures.

>>84971951
>explicit descriptions of them as human-like, taller, shadowy-firey figures.

This is the only clear cut description of the balrog that is given to us and by description its easy to picture a demonic entity

>"Something was coming up behind them. What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and go before it...Its streaming mane kindled and blazed behind it. In its right hand was a blade like a stabbing tongue of fire; in its left it held a whip of many thongs....His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadows about it reached out like two vast wings. It raised the whip, and the thongs whined and cracked. Fire came from its nostrils."

>>84952534
kek

>>84954242

I thought his hand doesn't work because he's holding the box that contains the gems, and the gems being what they are are in direct contention with what he is, therefore they cause him direct damage, like burning.

>>84941613
>christopher tolkien is 92

good.

Reminder Sauron got his ass kicked by an Elf and a Dog.

>>84952729
Never fails to get me

>>84941524
It's like making a movie about Cthulu, pointless

>>84975575
What's his tax policy?

>>84961704
>before dying out
as literally died out of persecutions: gnostics were hunted, killed & fought until the middle ages until Rome fixed his failed doctrine.

>>84942271

It was out west past the coast you see on the maps of the LoTR trilogy.

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>>84941808
How big was Ancalagon?

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>>84945800
Blind Guardian fucking ROCKS!

>>84976516
Whats the biggest thing you can think of?

>>84945899
B F TO

>you will never see gold-clad god come rushing down earth shitting up Melkor's pants

>>84942059
>me on the left

The only way any of this ridiculous stuff could reasonably appear on screen is if it was done as an anime

>>84964335

Kek

>>84965568
So he basically made shit up as he went along, and didn't himself understand what he'd created?

>>84954242
nice synopsis, don't mind the haters.....

>>84954356
Yea , I agree....Spiders in the lore of middle earth are their own thing....like dragons & trolls....also See Tom Bombadill and the Bear Dude

>>84941751
>Not a cinematic universe

>>84954647
What's going on in the others? Do we learn anything about them apart from the undying lands