Films too smart for their audience

Art house kino.

>knightmare sequence
avant garde desu famalamjama

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Actually it's reddit (as seen on the underrated section)
For those of you don't understand "it's reddit", on /tv/, Reddit is perceived as a bunch of naive tools who believe that being a nerd is cool. As a result, they're childishly enthusiastic about their hobbies (which they've only barely scratched the surface of), find random humor completely hilarious, and are notoriously pedantic. This is due to the fact that they believe that nerds are some kind of "cultural elite" simply because their interests aren't completely mainstream.

BUT, since they don't see themselves as particularly alienated by society, they haven't developed the pleb/patrician paradigm, unlike 4chan. Consequentially, they also have the prudish, politically-correct mentality that goes with the delusion that they can still be normal members of society and accepted by potentially anyone, or that they have moral standards to uphold. This makes them very prone to being shocked or amused by the cheapest transgressions and subversions.

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>>84925760

>>84925760
The only credit DC will ever receive is being too ambitious, and so creating truly spectacular failures, absolute hindenbergs of creative masturbation - sky piercing ICBM concepts with a clown face painted on ending up as duds.

So beautiful. So vapid. So stupid. I loved BvS.

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>>84925905

>>84925916
what is this gorgeous picture?

>>84925760
>Two fags in pajamas punching each other is smart now
>capeshit, at all
Nice bait I guess you summerfag redditkid

B-Kino

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qUNx5_UBbI

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Beautiful film. Mythic, painterly.
>Even at his most pedestrian or bombastic, Snyder makes a far more engaging film than Christopher Nolan (an executive producer of “Batman v Superman”) ever did—because Nolan presumes to know and to show, whereas Snyder wants to see. Even his slender philosophical world seems like he’s discovering it, not delivering it.

>>84925960
Excalibur

I think BvS is the only one that satisfies this category.

>>84925978
watch unbreakable

>>84925760
Yep, those literal on-screen textual exposition character introduction fests in the form of emails were really 2deep4me

>>84925949
"muh fedora" is what fedoras love best. They can't handle real emotions or sincerity so they flock to ironic "fun" crap like Army of Darkness, Pacific Rim and Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. Anything more than juvenile "fun" is too "2deep4u hipster shit". It's "fun" shit and superficially meaningful "dark" movies that get the most fedora attention.

They'll watch Batman vs Superman for what they think is their intellectual main course and then wash it out with something like Moon(Rian) for desert. Before settling into a night of video games.

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>>84925905

>>84925991
eisenberg:
>Luthor becomes a character from Greek tragedy. At least, that's how I approached it, in accord with the screenwriter. He only talks about ideas, which makes him a profoundly theatrical character. I can also play on a paradox: rendering this individual funny although he behaves in an appalling way, also showing him prone to deep depressions because of his internal conflicts. I did everything I could to theatricalize him in the extreme. I had read lots of the adventures of Superman in comic books, but it was impossible to draw on them to find a way to play Luthor. Too schematic. Too much of a caricature. I reconfigured the character as if he became in fact the center of the film.

bravo terrio

>>84925760
>plotholes
>shit pacing
>disjointed narrative
>smart

'kay

>>84925905
That picture is cancer for Emma Stone alone.

>>84925916
Yeah but what does it mean?
Is this just an asortment of Pagan & Christian symbolism? Odin/Christ etc. I've watched it a few times but it must be too smart for me.

>>84926971
>plotholes
>shit pacing
>disjointed narrative

Things plebs say for 1000

>>84927211
>Things plebs say for 1000
>People who say ''Film is supposed to be entertainment!''
>People who have 2001, Seven Samurai, Citizen Kane, other pleb shit on their top lists
>People who have seen 1 film made before the 50s and think they have taste
>People who like Wes Anderson and think they somehow have taste
>People with most movies on list made in last 20 years
>People who have no foreign language movies listed
>People who think korean cinema is good
>People who have movies from Nolan, Tarantino, Aronofsky, Kubrick, Refn, Snyder on their list
>People who have any comic book movie listed
>People who say comfy/based

why would you make a movie that would be too smart for your audience?

Patrician filmmakers

Edgar Wright
Zack Snyder
Matt Reeves
Refn
Fincher

Pleb filmmakers

Russos
Nolan
Villeneuve
JJ Abrams
Ridley Scott

>>84927512
Swap Wright and Villeneuve

>>84927512
The only patrician filmmaker you've listed is Scott, IMDB

>too smart
>too
Dummy

>>84927512
>If I keep sneaking Zack Snyder into these lists nobody will notice I'm a capeshill
Get the fuck out of here kiddo nobody's falling for this bullshit

>>84927690
>being this pleb
Capeshit is capeshit

Snyder is fucking patrician level pop culture kino

>>84925905
Nice try shill

>>84927512
>Pleb filmmaker
>Villeneuve

How does that work when he's never made a bad movie?

>>84925905
>This makes them very prone to being shocked or amused by the cheapest transgressions and subversions.
this

>>84925760
just a reminder that a discord orb from Zenyatta and Superman and Batman die within seconds

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>>84926149
>lex is all about fucking with his enemies to get what he wants and to hide his true motivations
>audiences are confused when he fucks with his enemies to get what he wants and to hide his true motivations
BvS is the ultimate pleb filter

>>84925905
SHUT THE FUCK UP MICKAEL J!!!

Only seen the ultimate edition of BvS. Shit's wound up like a Greek tragedy. Using the green of kryptonite to symbolize Batman's envy of Superman, then to have the spell broken by calling him back not to himself but to his mother, reminding him of his *true* origin in the pain and blood of childbirth and not from the stars? Fuckin' a that shit is profound.

>>84925760
audiences got way too dumber then

I never get this. Is the move really amazing? Are you all just shit posting about it being amazing?
/co/ here btw

>>84929695
It's a meme the movie is really shit.

>>84929695
It's just entry level reddit drones and your fellow tumblr board plebs >>84925905

>>84929695
It's amazing if you allow yourself to erase any preconceived notions of what a "cape flick" should be.

It's more akin to an original Graphic Novel. An auteur taking these existing characters and doing something challenging with them.

Its 3 hours long and traces its roots to greek philosophy, revenge tragedies, as well as deep thematic ties to topics such as the glorification of power in America, the role of the media in our society, and general post 9/11 paranoia. It also takes an ironic look at existing works in the graphic novel genre and deconstructs established notions about these characters.

No fucking trolling, if you can't into the sub surface content of BvS, you're either a pleb, or you're allowing your own pretensions of patricianhood prevent you from seeing whats really under the hood of this "capeflick"

>>84929695
Here's a 30 minute video about why it is great. If you don't watch this then you don't care about the question to begin with and so you can fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5S7rjUbC14

>>84929695
It's people operating under 9 layers of irony. The movie is garbage

>>84925905
>Whiplash
Interesting. I've never seen that movie called "Reddit" here.

Considering that is actually a great movie, I have respect for Reddit's tastes.

>>84930113
>Actually using Cinemawins as an argument to why a movie is good

You do realize he does these videos on everything right? They're mostly 'find the good in shit' kind of videos

>>84930181
It was when released

>>84925905
this is copypasta fyi

>>84925905
this. people who like capeshit in general aren't usually completely deluded about their lack of taste. BvSedditors actually think they are even remotely patrician, which makes them so adorable. just like the rabid fanboys of nolan, aronofsky, and villeneuve, among others.

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>>84925760

>>84927583
Is this just b8? Why has no one called out this post?

>>84929695

I guess it really depends, I for one, found the movie to be great with its sub-tones, Anon from >>84930072 explains more about this.

The movie storytelling is a little different from the usual hero movie (Well, apart from the final arc).

But in the end, you should see it for yourself.
watch ultimate edition plsss

Their mothers have the same name. Bravo Nolan

>>84931866
na

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>>84928613
Who's laughing now DC loser?

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You'd have to be a fucking plebeian entry level /b/ mongrel to consider the korean version good

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/oldboy-new-tricks

>>84927016
its Man vs Nature

>>84934238
>marvel can't even meme a good Cine Grid
all those shots look awful.
(except for Evans in the field)

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>>84934426

>>84934238
Tbqh I can't even tell what's going on in half of these

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>>84934238
Vulgar kino at its finest
Bay and Anderson would be proud

>>84934294
Nice bait

>low IQ entry level movie /b/uff thinks he can post directly at you with htis low IQ entry level movie /b/uff ways
Fuck me this kid probably has never even seen a soviet new wave film

>>84927399
I agreed until I saw the korean cinema, did you not like memories of murder, oldboy, or handmaiden?

>>84934294
>a spike lee joint
>film starts
> a spike lee film
fuck off m8

>>84934485
I shouldn't be laughing and shoving popcorn down my stupid fat face while cap and iron man are fighting over bucky and daddy stark.

>>84926068
the fact that you cant see any deeper than the face value of these impeding scenes (which were obviously mandated by the studio) outs you as the pleb you are. why do you think the reveals were done as emails? why do you think they were placed right before the climax of the movie begins? cutting any building tension? snyder put them there deliberately to show how stupid they were. to show how ridiculous setting up all these superfluous characters is. and how it does nothing but detract from the film by being forced to set up future movies.

>>84925905
Why does this keep ending up being true?

>>84925979
Does B stand for boobs coz that's some
B O O B K I N O
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>>84926147
MARVEL BTFO

>>84927422
Fucking animu kino. Loved it

>>84934930
pleb

>>84926068
Did you notice how even when Bruce first found those files, they contained precisely zero information on himself and Clark?

No, you didn't, and even now you don't know what it implies.

>>84927000
at least they didn't include emma watson, who is infinitely worse.

>>84928482
thanks for your input imdb.

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>>84934238

>>84926061
then watch split.
>watched split in the theater.
>that music from unbreakable starts playing
>dat Bruce Willis cameo
Shyamalan is back baby

>>84930113
>30 minute
>video is 18:53

>>84927442
By thinking too much of your fellow man. Smart people temd to think that they're really all that unique. Sadly, the same is true of most dumb people, which is why most of the dumbest people you'll ever meet never shut up about how stupid everyone is.

>>84930072
Fucking this.

>>84925760
Your mom is also called Martha?

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>>84934485

>>84939705
teethman is the best meme

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>>84934238

To be fair, being a superhero flick it had a pretty dumb audience. I think the smartest movie they can handle is something like Logan. Which is pretty dang good, mind you, but also pretty blunt about what it's about, thematically.

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>>84934238

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>DC's worst movie won an oscar before all the 109% certified fresh RT forgettable marvel flicks

>>84934238
>half the things are blurred shots and frozen CGI frames.

>>84939966
>deep
>cerebral
>le quippy robotman

>>84939966
How many Disney shekels did he take before writing that drivel?

>>84934485
>Bay and Anderson
>Anderson

Which one? Wes? Paul Thomas? W.S.?

>>84940103
it is supposed to be a She (I think)

>>84925905
Why the fuck isn't Naomi Watts in the favourite female actors section? What absolute plebs.

>>84939974
How about the movie?

>>84940670
Sanic kid was nice I suppose.
Oh and captain america barely moving the hammer.
Everything else was pretty boring

>>84928613
Art
>>84934238
Flick

>>84928613
>>84934238
It's disappointing that Whedon is at the helm for JL. Just look at the difference.

>>84941065
he is reshooting a couple of scenes.

>>84925905
>someone criticized Reddit as prudish
>4chan is busy clutching it's pearls over how "anti-Christian" Castlevania was
Lmao, pot calling the kettle black

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>>84941065
If JL doesn't live up to BvS kino standards, I will hold Whedon personally responsible. He's already getting too cocky.

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>>84925760
On /tv/

>>84937748
>research into meta humans that haven't been publicly exposed
>no file on Batman, a normal human
>no file on Superman, a known public meta human
Gee I wonder why

>>84925905
almost died from cancer

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>>84935057
>>84937748
it was done really tacky as a way to hasten the introduction for a JL movie since the movie is bloated enough already, and since DC doesn't really do post credit scenes

lex luthor creates the justice league (logos and all) in a folder on his computer.

>capekino

>>84941783
It speaks to Zuckerberg Luthors new Silicon Valley roots senpai

inb4 Snyder makes Doomsday into literal Cave troll...
oh wait

>>84925916
Favorite film of Zack Snyder as well.

"Films made for the fans, forgetting/foregoing decent story telling for simple metaphors that are crammed down viewers throat for 2 hrs".

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>>84934238
>illegible title at mid-rotation

>>84941783
>bad guy does the work for batfleck
what a nice lad

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>>84925760
>this is what DCucks actually believe
incomprehensible narrative does not equal deep narrative

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>>84942323
>tfw no quips
>tfw have to think

>>84927512
innuratu
blows all these jokers out of the water

>>84942323
it's incredible to me that you guys still call it incomprehensible. it just betrays how much of a brain dead idiot you are.

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>>84941515
Because he didn't want either one of them on his team.

>>84925760
Pic unrelated

>>84927535
Villeneuve, sure. Wright? Fuck off, pleb.

>>84930072
When you capitalised "Graphic Novel" I knew you were merely memeing

>>84925760
It took Superman and Batman one hour and thirty minutes to start fighting in this Batman Vs Superman movie.

>>84942557
Stay mad cuck

>>84943119
The plot is all over the place filled with superfluous scenes. The motives of each character is never fleshed out and at best barely makes sense nor is there any characterisation to make us feel for these characters

>>84935057
>it's shit deliberately
I bet you don't let anyone else get away with this tired gambit

How does a 3-hour movie get away with the dullest characters in history?

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DC Cucks BTFO!!!

>>84925905
You're special,cool,unique and counterculture because you browse an imageboard

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Only in the realm of mainstream entertainment is work judged by its accessibility or how "fun" it is.

Imagine a critic saying 2001: A Space Odyssey or Solaris were trash because they were "too slow" and had "wooden" actors who "never smiled" and asked "When was it decided space movies shouldn't be any fun?"

Imagine a critic saying Steve McQueen's Hunger or Lynne Ramsay's We Need To Talk About Kevin were terrible movies because they were "humorless" and "had no likable characters" like that is a requirement.

Snyder merges high and "low" art , and because he works in a different genre, they are judged by an entirely different metric. Snyder is telling allegorical stories that critique the way we consume and process escapist entertainment in contemporary society. For that reason, films like Sucker Punch and Batman v Superman must make use of iconic imagery and archetypes.

This is not something that people ask Hollywood to do in action movies. This desire to expose tropes we've grown complacent to and attack our preconceived notions comes directly from Snyder's personal ambitions as an artist. Snyder believes that pop entertainment is taken for granted, but can be elevated through re-contextualization. But there is a decades-old template that directors are expected to follow when making films for the masses, and if you veer off to follow personal pursuits, you are seen as hack.

He is using pages torn from a children's coloring book as a canvas for a post-modern collage of pop icons and classical masterworks, but the critics mostly see him as a child who can't color inside the lines.

>>84944840
It's v, not versus. There's a clear distinct difference and your inability to see their conflict as anything more than mere punches blinds you, it says nothing about the film.

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>>84929695
It's only good if you force it to it.

>>84929814
>>84929827
>>84930147
>>84946106
$0.01 deposited in your Marvel™ shilling account

>>84945991
Comparing bvs to 2001... this board is beyond logical reasoning baka

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>>84946742
It's not comparing anything but the ridiculous reviews devaluing it for something it isn't rather than approaching it for what it is. Not even hardcore Marvel fans will admit that BvS's critical reception was fair.

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>>84930181
/mu/ here, Whiplash is garbage, La La Land is better

>>84927512
>wright
irrelevant
>snyder
his zombie movie is fine
>reeves
who?
>refn
ok
>fincher
lol no way fag

>>84929695
Absolute shit.

>>84946742
>making comparisons is bad
You cannot measure anything without a reference you stupid fuck. Shut the hell up and stop trying to pretend like you know things.

>>84925760
I watched this because of /tv/ recommendations and it was a rare case of /tv/ getting it right. This is probably the 2nd best capeshit after Dredd.

The only real weakness is Lex doing some dumb shit, but I can excuse that as typical supervillain insanity.

It's far better than any Marvel capeshit.

>>84947192
A turd compared to a diamond still remains a turd cuck

>>84925905
why are so many plebs upset about this fact?

>>84941281
Hating God and Christianaity is the norm. Being religious is anything but prudish. To be against homosexuality, gay marriage, transgenderism is considered to be hateful and politically incorrect.

>>84929695
It isn't good at all, but people think that by overanalyzing it, then they block away all criticisms of it for some reason.

I just think its a dumb movie, so people tried to understand it, but couldn't, and rationalized it as being too intelligent for most people.

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>>84947231
>c-cuck
What's it feel like being a fragile, passive aggressive pussy cowering behind meme wall erected by smarter, funnier men?

>>84947912
Tell him /v/! Give him your surface level opinions on stuff!

>>84947900
What parts are being "overanalyzed"? Be specific.

>>84947412
>To be against homosexuality, gay marriage, transgenderism is considered to be hateful and politically incorrect.

And also to be prudish.

>>84948042
The whole christ/religion shit

When will you contrarian hipsters quit acting like BvS is the best movie ever made and saying it's better than the Nolan trilogy?

>>84948149
That's not being specific at all. You mean maybe Superman being projected as a deity to those perceiving him? Not a stretch when its explicitly expressed through dialouge in the day of the dead montage.

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>>84947967
>tfw someone fucks you up so bad you have to fallback and pretend to be someone else

>>84948306
The Nolan trilogy would be completely forgotten by now if it wasn't for Heath Ledger's performance, and the Bane meme.

>>84948042
Everything about it is being overanalyzed.

To start off, people act like Zach is some incredibly intelligent director that was trying to deconstruct the genre, or something, when its clear that's not his intention.

Then people talk about the story like its very challenging to the audience, just because it uses recurring themes.
And the characters are the worst part.
People hate them for being dull, and uninteresting. So fanboys recite their backstories over and over again, like that makes up for it.
Or they say that because its a super realistic setting, then that means people don't have to be likeable in anyway.
Or they say that because its dark setting, then you should be focusing on the shallow plot instead.

>a movie that explores philosophy 101 subjects in the most cursory and shallow way possible is smart now.

>>84948498
Nobody has said these things and you're still being overly dodgy about the specifics of these so-called overanalyzing.

I'm honestly amazed you wrote that post with a straight face thinking you were making a good point for anything.

>>84947192
My favourite scene in 2001 was when he pissed into a jar and then threw it at HAL

I think it's really fucking funny that they made the bat symbol look like complete fucking garbage for their entire dumb "extended universe" just so they could put the super man logo in it for the posters

>>84948979
You still think the granny's peach tea thing was supposed to be a quip right? Lex is mocking the process of democracy straight to Finch's face and all you could take from it was if it was a Marvel quip.

>>84949064
My favourite part in the Godfather was when he pissed in a jar and left it in the guy's bed

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>>84948438
>implying your not doing the same

>>84949163
You really are a pathetic fuck.

>>84949064
You really think teenage mutant Ninja turtles was capeshit? It's full of religious and mythological allegory, and promotes a message against intellectual censorship.

>>84949264
I'll take this an admission you had no idea what the jar even meant until I explained it to you. Life through the eyes of a marvel quiplord.

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>>84949255
pic very much related

>>84949304
My favourite part in Blade Runner is when Gaff pisses in a jar and leaves it behind to make Deckard realize he's a replicant

>>84949304
I'll take this as an admission that you had no idea how much obvious symbolism Michael Bay packed into his magnum opus series. Life through the eyes of an intellectual pleb.

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>>84949255
As (You)hungry as they come.

>>84949347
>>84949418
>still samefagging this hard

>>84949522
My favourite part in Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb was when he mounted the bomb and then pissed in a jar just so he'd have something to drop from the plane.

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>>84949522
Nice delusions

>>84949522
This boy is falling apart.

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>>84934238
>far right center row

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>>84945991
tfw I typed this weeks ago and now see it resurface as kinopasta

>>84949746
True art.

>>84946886
Wew lads

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>>84942323
>incomprehensible narrative does not equal deep narrative

/a/ here, you could (not) possibly be more wrong