Looking back, this trilogy is honestly pretty awful.

Is it because Iron Man is white?
Would a mexican or a hawaiian iron men be better??

>>84903289
Ironman is a black teenage girl in the comics now. I'm sure she'll take over once RDJ retires.

It's a series that continued to show promise, then suddenly you realized you were three movies in and nothing had ever materialized from that potential. In hindsight all the entries come across as feature-length trailers for a film that doesn't actually exist and never will.

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>>84903289
Now that you mention it...

>>84903345
That's a very good way of looking at it. I couldn't agree more. Something just felt "lacking" in all three movies.

>>84903253
Reminder: IM3 made $1.215 billion

>>84903399
So? Box office receipts don't determine how good a film is.

It really doesn't feel like a trilogy. It just felt like three movies.

Fuck Iron Man 3 for making the mandarin to a shitty gag joke and the Iron Patriot as an alternative skin for his buddy who doesn't do shit.

>>84903399
Good as its the best one provided you understand the work of Korine, Malick, Herzog and Andrew Dominik

Iron Man 3 is great

Assblasted nerds are just mad because "not muh mandarin"

>>84903426
I think that's his point.

>>84903507
This

Civil war gave tony stark more depth and back story then iron man 2 and 3 combined.

>>84903523
That twist made me VERY angry. I feel that was the beginning of filmmakers trying to appeal to SJWs in superhero movies.

>>84903253
>Great first movie that changed the film industry as a whole and has yet to be topped by its successors
>Lackluster second movie that gives us some cool character moments, but an overall boring plot
>Amazing standalone third movie that reshapes its central character and creatively reimagines his archnemesis to boot

I dunno, seems pretty cool to me.

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>>84903567
Based on what is shown in Homecoming, it seems Stark has come around to seeing things from Cap's perspective. Instead of forcing or trying to convince Parker to reveal his identity, he allows him to do his own thing.

>>84903592
Yikes the whole blowing up the suits to be equal thing was meant be more than a shit ending I guess.

>>84903609
>Amazing standalone third movie
that shit was garbo tho, and not because of the tangerine.

>>84903653
How was it garbage?

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How did the President fit in a suit made for Don Weedle, and how did Terrence Howard fit in a suit made for Robert Downhere Jr.?

>>84903253
They should just followed the first movie and kept the focus on armor vs armor, after Iron Monger the villains should have been Titanium Man and Crimson Dynamo.

>>84903567
Civil War was retarded
>we accidentally kill people while saving the world; this UN agreement will prevent that!

>>84903661
It ruined two top tier Iron Man villains for some awkward gag scenes.

>>84903523
pleb filtered

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>>84903609
no

>>84903689
Two? Which ones?

>>84903689
Mandarin and who was the other?

>>84903715
Iron Patriot

>>84903661
Idk, mainly the ending... and the plot. I didn't really care that they changed the Mandingo, but he still wasn't interesting nor were his motives. It's almost like they wrote the entire story around one comedic scene.
Tony being homeless or whatever was fun, Tony commanding a bunch of CGI suits to brawl with some orange guy is not. The kid was alright, Pepper Pots being orange is not.

It just didn't grab me.

>looking back
it was always shit anon

>>84903686

Whatch the movie again, you retard

>>84903345
All the Marvel/capeshit movies feel this way. It's almost like they are feature-length sitcom episodes. Sure, important things happen in episodes, characters get jobs, get fired, die, give birth, have fights, find love, etc. But at the end of the movie you still have the main characters and you can expect them to start up again next week. The world barely reacts to anything that happens around these characters. In the mcu we've discovered: aliens are real and are hostile, Norse gods are real, a guy discovered near limitless clean energy, and wormholes/bridges across space are possible.

And yet, the world seems pretty... normal. Exactly like a sitcom. One week a character does X. The next week everyone acts the same. At most you get a passing comment in a later episode (remember New York?).

>>84903761
Why would anyone do that?

>>84903727

Am I the only one who likes the name "iron patriot" better then warmachine?

>>84903737
What sold me on the Mandarin twist was the flashback to him standing on the roof about to kill himself. You realize how hard he worked to redeem himself from that moment and you start inferring what all he did to become this Mandarin character.

>>84903253
It's because of RDJ. I feel the same way.

>>84903727
Norman Osborn is/was outside of Marlel movie rights, I think the Iron Patriot armor is gonna return in Infinity Wars as a gift of Tony to Cap after their reconciliation.

>>84903253
Iron Man 1 was a good movie. IM2 and especially 3 are pieces of shit of the highest order

>>84903661
Everything about it was a hot mess.
Why did Tony pretend to not have a bunch of suits lying around for 4/5 of the movie?
Why did the disabled veterans agree to do all that crazy shit like bombings and murders?
Why did the guy want to kill the president?
Why did covering him in the suit and detonating it not kill him, but Pepper shooting a bullet at him and blowing it up did kill him?
What happened to all the other extremis people during the final fight?
Why did Air Force One explode after one depressurization event?
What even was the point of all the bombings?
What was the point of the thinly fleshed out muh oil barons message?
What was the point of the Tony PTSD scenes that led nowhere?
How did his suit run out of power when it runs on a fusion reactor that's constantly running?
Why didn't he immediately blast those helicopters out of the sky?
Why did the guy say "I am the Mandarin" even though the Mandarin was just a puppet?
Why did botanist lady agree to help him?
Why did the guy give Pepper the extremis treatment?
What was with the terrible narration as exposition setup?

>>84903253
The first movie is legit solid, second is the very opposite, third while flawed still managed to turn out alright.

>>84903788
I think you're on to something. At first glance, RDJ seems like the PERFECT actor to play Tony Stark. But in a way, I feel he was a miscast...it might have to do with my disdain for Marvel milking him to the maximum extent in most of the MCU movies but I don't know.

>>84903837
Its was RDJ or Tim Cruise.

>>84903761
Have you even seen the movie? That's literally what the agreement is about.

>>84903761
I never liked that they hinged the whole movie on that explosion when he would have blown up the market, anyway.

>>84903253
>>84903253
As someone who genuinely likes RDJ in most things, he's nearly unbearable as Tony Stark. A lot of snarky condescension and grotesquely inflated egomania.

I don't care how rich you are, if you shit all over all your human relationships like that, you go nowhere in life. It's the same reason I hated that show House.

Then guys that are unbearably autistic see guys like Tony Stark or House on tv and they see it as sort of self-validating that unchecked narcissism and condescension are good things.

If Tony Stark really acted like that he's own company would quickly boot him out of all facets of his own company except being just a figurehead. He would have no genuine friends, just everyoen looking to exploit him.

Life does not reward people that shit all over everyone else and treat everyone else as lower.

tl;dr I really hate RDJ's Iron Man. I like RJD, I think he's just gotta check that unbearable narcissism that he brings to the table as Tony Stark.

>Recently rewatch all the early Marvel movies because they're on TV
>They're all dull as fuck

Why the fuck do people cream themselves over it?

>>84903933
All the phase one movies are garbage except IM1 which is mediocre and Avengers which is decent.

>>84903961
But it's not like the later ones are any better.

>>84903815
>Why did Tony pretend to not have a bunch of suits lying around for 4/5 of the movie?
I don't recall the specifics, but there was an issue getting them out of the rubble. That, or he didn't have the tech to call them over. I remember there being a very obvious reason stated as to why he didn't call them until the final fight scene.
>Why did the disabled veterans agree to do all that crazy shit like bombings and murders?
Because they were probably brainwashed or resentful towards society?
>Why did the guy want to kill the president?
Because he controlled the vice president. This was clearly shown in the film.
>Why did covering him in the suit and detonating it not kill him, but Pepper shooting a bullet at him and blowing it up did kill him?
External damage vs internal damage
>What happened to all the other extremis people during the final fight?
Killed by Iron Man suits
>Why did Air Force One explode after one depressurization event?
You'd have to ask the guy who designed Air Force One in the MCU.
>What even was the point of all the bombings?
To create demand for weapons and new kinds of soldiers that Killian would then supply. His control of the VP (who, after the assassination of POTUS, would become the new POTUS) would have helped him seal the deal. He wanted to control the war on terror.
>What was the point of the thinly fleshed out muh oil barons message?
I don't even know what the fuck you're referring to here.
>What was the point of the Tony PTSD scenes that led nowhere?
They led to the resolution of the film - Tony deciding to take a break from being a crazy Iron Man suit designer and focus on Pepper for a while.
>How did his suit run out of power when it runs on a fusion reactor that's constantly running?
It was a prototype that probably used a secondary energy source or a new, untested reactor.
>Why didn't he immediately blast those helicopters out of the sky?
Because they started launching an attack before he could get a suit on.

This is the same universe where it has never been addressed why (at least until Civil War) Cap, Widow, and Hawkeye do not have any Iron Man armor. He obviously trusts other people with his tech (he gave SHIELD his repulsor tech in Cap 2.)

>>84904042
Yes, I find that is perhaps the biggest plot hole in the MCU.

>>84904028
>Why did the guy say "I am the Mandarin" even though the Mandarin was just a puppet?
Because the puppet Mandarin was an elaborate distraction from the real thing - a Mandarin is a powerful Chinese warlord, which is what Killian was modeling himself after.
>Why did botanist lady agree to help him?
Probably because she felt bad about killing innocent people and knew her boss was going fucking crazy?
>Why did the guy give Pepper the extremis treatment?
To fuck with Tony. I think he mentioned he was going to overheat her or something like that.
>What was with the terrible narration as exposition setup?
Explained in the post-credits scene.

>>84903253
I only watched the first one and have almost zero interest in seeing the others despite enjoying it.

>>84903771
Yes exactly this. Things like Steve's random love interest in Civil War, and the widow-hulk relationship, and all that other nonsense they pump into these movies are complete filler and a crutch for legitimate character development.

>>84903933
It's like a very dull tv show, say Walking Dead or something. Every episode bores you to tears but leaves you midly interested in the next one. It's the promise of a bigger story and the fact that the movies are so forgettable that you watch one of them you don't remember the previous ones being just the same, the key to their success.

Now binge watching the whole thing is absolute torture

>>84904120
You're not missing anything.

The main problem with Iron Man 2 is the excessive shilling for the MCU. Putting in Black Widow in the movie was a HUGE mistake in my opinion.

And the main problem with Iron Man 3 is the Mandarin twist, but there are many other problems that plague it. There are numerous plot holes, for instance.

>>84904186
The biggest problem with IM2 is the main villain was a gary stu, but also had some sort of mental illness and bird poop in his hair the whole movie. They also incessantly shit on the Hammer character to the point where you wonder how they were ever competition for Stark.

The birthday party scene was capekino though

>>84904249
>birthday party scene

Are you talking about the part in Monaco? I'll admit, that was actually a very enjoyable scene. That's the only time where Vanko really shines, other than that he's quite forgettable. They could have made all of the villains in the trilogy so much better, it's a shame. Stane was the best, but still he wasn't executed the best he could have been.

>>84903399
because it was riding the coat tails of Avengers success.

that said I actually like Iron Man 3 even though it had studio interference it felt the most like the director had control rather than it being yet another stale MCU film.

might just be because im a big Shane Black fan and enjoyed it as a Shane Black film.

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>>84904355
he's talking about the scene where Tony DJ's while in the Iron Man suit.

>>84903634
>Instead of forcing or trying to convince Parker to reveal his identity, he allows him to do his own thing.
But the identity shit was never part of Tony's side in the MCU. He just wanted the Avengers to need UN approval to act internationally. You're confusing him with comic Tony.

>>84903289
>hawaiian iron man
>has a surfing mode on his suit and battles another suited surfer

>>84904355
villains are consistently the weakest part of these movies, especially considering they seem to die more often than not at the end.

>>84903253
Took you long enough they were all shit from the start

>Iron Man
Good competent movie. Robert Downey Jr is great. Jeff Bridges is hilarious.

>Iron Man 2
Boring and feels flat. Mickey Rourke is the best part in it and he's not in it nearly enough IMO.

>Iron Man 3
Entertaining but forgettable. I don't really care about the Mandarin plot twist. Quips and jokes.

>>84905722
Iron Man doesn't really have good villains, does he? Mandarin is pretty corny. Whiplash is pretty bad. The rest of Iron Man's villains seems to be either "Tony's Demons in his Head", "corporate espionage" or other heroes that don't like Tony's way of doing stuff (Civil War).

>>84903289
Ultimate Iron Man is spanish

>>84905820
not sure, not really into Iron Man comics. the books were apparently pretty dull until RDJ came along to play him, now he's literally RDJ in the comics.

i was speaking to the MCU as a whole.

>>84905789
Pretty much this.

I have the feeling that the whole shared universe only brought ruin to the quality of Marvel movies.

Iron Man 3 is one of the only MCU movie that has any sort of thematic coherence in its screenplay that doesn't feel like it was totally hacked to death by focus testing and reshoots. Loses most of its steam after the (excellent) Mandarin reveal, but it's still one of the better entries.

The first one is ridiculously overrated, though, and the second is a glorified Avengers commercial and maybe the worst thing Marvel Studios has done.

>>84903354
#litty

>>84907119
Yeah I feel this way. Doctor Stange and GotG especially could both be interesting standalone universes but instead they're both gonna be barely fleshed out so the other shit can get more screentime.
Honestly I don't think it's possible to have the Thor, Dr Strange and GotG movies in the same shared universe and still make sense but that's a different point entirely.

>>84907319
>I don't think it's possible to have the Thor, Dr Strange and GotG movies in the same shared univers
The mere idea of it sounds like what you'd expect from a shitty fanfiction a kid would make by merging all his favorite shows together.

>>84907119
It absolutely did. The MCU is basically the world's biggest budget TV show with Kevin Feige as the showrunner, demanding uniformity in content and form across the board. Anyone with their own vision (Edgar Wright, Joss Whedon, even Ed Norton) is cast aside because they just want people who can follow a formula. To their credit, it's a successful formula and a money-printing machine, but it's totally antithetical to genuine cinema.

>>84907367
Yeah it's such a melting pot of random shit that it doesn't add up at all. Especially when things are added after the fact and make previous events make no sense.
Remember back to Thor 1, Asgard protected the '9 realms' and that was some big deal. But now we have an entire galaxy AND and infinite multiverse. So are the 9 realms different planets or different dimensions? And why do the Asgardians only care about those 9 in particular?
Then in Thor 2 wasn't the elf dude a spiritual threat? Where were all the wizards during this, or during the battle of New York when their sanctuary could have been destroyed?
This is barely even scratching the surface on all the ridiculous shit in this universe and already it's falling apart.

>>84907383
>Anyone with their own vision (Edgar Wright, Joss Whedon, even Ed Norton) is cast aside because they just want people who can follow a formula
What's the exact reason for removing Norton from the Hulk? I thought his movie was pretty good aside from the generic final act, a problem shared with Iron Man.

>it's a successful formula and a money-printing machine, but it's totally antithetical to genuine cinema
The ratings these movies get are mind boggling.

Iron Man 3 is capekino.

Brainlets who complain about the Mandarin or Stark using a shitty suit for the entire movie will never understand.

>>84907433
IM3 is fine, just not great. Certainly could have been better.

>>84907427
The MCU makes the tragic mistake of putting quantity over quality, which is perfectly fine when you target kids since their naive mindsets doesn't know any better. It's the same mistake Singer did with Apocalypse.

>>84907433
>>84907454
>t.reddit
tv-tier dialogs, effects and action. End yourselves.

>>84907429
Norton disagreed with the editing of the film. If I remember right, he wanted it a lot darker, there was supposed to be a scene at the beginning when he went to the arctic and tried to kill himself. When Marvel disagreed he threatened to pull out of promoting the film and pretty much soured his relationship with them completely. At the time it seemed like he was being a diva (not the first time he's done something like this) and he probably was, but it was definitely a sign of whats to come with the studio.

>>84907522
Imagine Norton having to go through that embarassing romance subplot with Widow.

>>84904042
all three would be slowed down by the suit, negating any usefulness of them.

>>84907585
Maybe for Cap, but Hawkeye and BW aren't useful anyway. And Tony can make a non-bulky tech suit for Spidey so why not the rest?

>>84907606
You make a good point on the spidey suit, but it doesn't really give the protection of a proper IM. If the suit doesn't off the protection what purpose would it serve?

>>84907652
Iron Man is already more useful that BW and Hawkeye put together though, what reason is there to still have them pissing about on the ground fighting with fists and bows when you could strap flying rocket suits to them?

Iron Man 3 is literally the only MCU film that can be considered kino. Everything else is Kevin Feige trash.

>>84907674
>Iron Man 3 is literally the only MCU film that can be considered kino

Elaborate.

the first Iron Man is on par with Spider Man 2

Pepper Pots was the absolute worst part about the Iron Man movies. Fact.

>>84907674
The first Captain America feels more like a Joe Johnston film than a MCU one.

>>84903253
>Its an Iron Man fights a bunch of knock-off Iron Men episode

>>84907727
I'll have to rewatch IM but SM2 is such a magnificent piece of superhero movie.

>>84907743
>not BW

>>84907760
I can barely remember anything from that one aside from skinny cap.

>>84907762
Ultron was hard to finish.

>its a Black Widow tanks a grenade to the face that knocks her through the door of an armored vehicle and stands up with a little dirt on her face

>>84907727
Not in a million years. It's charming. RDJ's schtick hadn't gotten old yet and Jeff Bridges is always extremely watchable. But Favreau is a point-and-shoot hack. Not a single set-piece in that movie could stand up against the worst set-piece in a Raimi film.

>>84907790
It's not especially memorable, but it doesn't follow the same lame plot beats as 90% of Marvel Studios' output and it feels like it was made by a human being and not a market research group.

>>84907696
It actually builds Tony independent from his suit.

>>84907835
She used another man's body as cover. Still doesn't make sense though. Also, Captain America's shield is inconsistent as fuck. Sometimes, he's able to take hits from Thor and sometimes a bomb or turret shell will send him flying.

>People defending Iron Man 3
Being bad in a different way than most MCU films are bad is not a good thing

>>84907965
Every character's power level jumps around a lot in these movies depending on whether they are supposed to win the current fight.
It feels like if the alien army was in a Thor movie instead of an Avengers movie then Thor would have had no problem taking them all on alone.
Iron man is the worst, beating the shit out of the Hulk solo was pure bullshit. Imagine if he showed up to the Civil War in that suit, Cap would have shit himself.

>>84907962
Now that you mention it, Tony having an actual character arc through that movie is one the main reasons it turned alright.

>>84903253
the only good one was Ironman 1 and that's because RDJ fit Tony Stark perfectly (except the height) and Jeff Bridges was an amazing villain

>>84908175
Also had a villain that was set up well and had an actual motive

>>84907429
>The ratings these movies get are mind boggling.
They pay the critics, anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves

>>84908807
Did they forget to send the check when Iron Fist came out?

The idea that Disney pays off all the no-name critics on RT and nothing about this has ever leaked is genuinely absurd. It's a lot simpler than that. They market research the hell out of these films so they appeal to the broadest possible segment of the population. There's no artistic intent behind anything they do, they're just really good as making products.

You barely notice that.

Man of Steel is objectively better than IM1

>>84903426
Yes it does

If it wasn't good people wouldn't have seen it so many times

iron man 1 was probably one of the few actually good marvel flicks (instead of "its good for a capeshit flick)

Iron Man 2 was enjoyable but Whip Man was just a kinda lame villain. The performances pretty much save it though. Still fun

Iron Man 3: no one involved cared much about it though. The mandarin twist was just icing on the cake of "fuck the audience" RDJ's obvious depression of playing tony was really starting to come through. The AirPlane rescue was nice though. Build up for Manadarian was cool (then tossed out for a dumb joke)

Black just can't direct his own scripts. He thinks everything he writes is great. No idea how to edit his ideas.

>>84908965
profitable movie =/= good movie
most of the time they are total opposites

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>>84903253
>this trilogy is honestly pretty awful
QUIPPED

RDJ captured the entitled hubris of Stark, but as I recall Stark was a megalomaniac alcoholic. His personality was the weakness to the Iron Man persona.

The first IM worked right up until Jeff Bridges outed him, but at that point you were already invested in the tempo that you could ignore all that and let the story play out. IM2 & IM3 were nothing but studio quipfests. IM2 skated by on the charisma of Justin Hammer (who should have played a much larger role pitted against SHIELD in the cross overs).

Continuing IM2 / IM3 studio formula, they used this template to ruin Thor and Dr. Strange. Dr. Strange is a boring as the Dormamu sorcerer. Marvel turned him into a wise-cracking quipster

They are printing money at this point. The action-scene-by-numbers approach with millennial redditor quips is all these movies will be.

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>>84903682
>Crimson Dynamo
that only worked if MUH (Soviet) RUSSIA is relevant

>>84903529
That kid was a serious pain in the ass and that stupid "espionage" scene with RDJ taking out those guards was complete shit. Your taste is horrible

>>84905690
>iron surfer fights the silver surfer

>>84909022
>most of the time they are total opposites

Ain't that sad?

>>84903567
Both Civil War, and The Avengers were better Iron Man movies than Iron Man 2 and 3.

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>>84907762
>>84907815
>Ultron was hard to finish.

IM2, IM3, CA2, CW, Ultron....its
> interesting action scene with new character
> regroup talk over movie arc with all characters
> movie plot conflict introduced to characters
> prepping for the boss fight
> "boss fight" consists of 20 minutes of hyper CGI shaky cam
> big boss threat obliterated, no continuation

All these movies are decent nu-age action flicks right up until the get to the boss fight where the production house throws all the remaining budget into CGI / VG cut scene bukkake

I don't even bother watching the movies when it gets to this point. Ending of IM2 was the same as IM3 as the same as Ultron (

Ultron was completely fucked over and made to look like just another IM suit / repurposed-Megatron. Ultron from the comics was an invisible madman AI robot. The movie version was just CGI Iron Man suits.

Look at all the MCU villians they have squandered in these movies Red Skull, Ultron, Mandarin.....