/who/ - Doctor Who General

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>>84880754
Why do people compare him to the Valeyard?

>>84880821
>reminder that Valeyard isn't canon

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>/who/ presents:
DOCTOR WHO: SHIT TRIPS Vol. 2
- The Anthology -

>Are you a true fan of Doctor Who?
>Have you ever written down a sequence of words?

If the answer is yes or no, then you are ready to contribute a literary masterpiece to the second /who/ collection of original Doctor Who-based short fiction.

/who/ did it once. Now, we're gonna do it again! Yet another entry in an age-old tradition of p̶a̶c̶k̶a̶g̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶f̶a̶n̶f̶i̶c̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶g̶e̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶a̶i̶r̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶l̶e̶g̶i̶t̶i̶m̶a̶c̶y̶ / celebrating the magic of Who and the talent of a community.

There are no limits (except the story must be at least 1 word long, and preferably not in excess of 10,000, it's short fiction you fuck).

>- Can involve any Doctor(s), companion(s), side characters, spinoff characters and beyond, as your heart desires
>- Can be in any style, whether it's "legitimate writing", "pisstake", or "shitpost".
>- Can be about absolutely anything
>- The main focus is on good fun in the vein of the wiki, although serious entries are allowed. (If you're going to write smut, maybe approach it with a degree of levity)

Stuck for ideas? Try starting with your favourite TARDIS team (or for timeliness, 12/Bill “I'm a lesbian” Potts) and one of these authentic titles:
http://www.saberpunk.net/DoctorWho/DoctorWhoSerialGenerator.php
https://glyphobet.net/drwho
And free scenario prompts:
http://games.usvsth3m.com/drwho/

We are going to be starting an index on the wiki for the collection. Anyone can contribute, no signups/pitches required. If you have ideas, feel free to broadcast them.
The rest is self-explanatory. Format for uploading your work is up to you, as long as it can be conveniently copied across (and ideally don't spam long texts in /who/ directly). (Pastebin works well.)

BONUS: Anyone who wants to do cover art or "illustrations" is encouraged.

>>84880852
Piss Heather 2.

>>84880777
Requesting this still.

How many stories have there been where the Doctor loses?
Not just stories where he loses a friend like Earthshock or Doomsday, I mean stories where the villain wins and the Doctor & co are only able to escape with their lives.
I suppose in some historicals like The Aztecs or The Myth Makers the bad guy technically wins, but it doesn't really feel like a defeat because we always know that history must follow its proper path.
The Daleks sort of win in Victory of the Daleks, but their plan is relatively low-key (basically just escaping with their lives) and the Doctor manages to stop them from blowing up the Earth, so it's still a happy ending (do the Daleks actually kill anyone in that episode?).
The Cybermen win in Spare Parts, but again we know from the start that they will eventually convert all the Mondasians.
"Master" is a story with a proper sense of defeat. As in Victory the villain's plan isn't really that ambitious. but the Doctor walks away both defeated and emotionally destroyed.

Any others?

>>84880777
I can get you one in a few hours when I get home.

>>84880891
sleep no more I guess
i actually liked the ending of that episode desu. if only the monsters weren't so shit though.

>>84880891
Does The Doctor Falls count? The Doctor basically loses (or at least thinks he loses) everything and everyone and there's nothing he can do about it.

>>84880891
Parasite, from Jim Mortimore, is one of those.

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>>84880777

>>84880891
Inferno, if you look at the parallel Earth side of things. Literally nothing the Doctor could do to stop it, except escaping back to our world.

>>84880907
Thanks!

>>84880966
LIGHT ANON PLEASE

>>84880966
http://tragicalhistorytour.com/d14/13v-c/

>>84880966
Perfect! Thanks.

>>84880993
It's not hard to change the levels myself

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>>84881008
:)

>>84880942
Sleep No More is actually a great example. Pity it's so shit.

>>84880947
Well, he gets a triumphant scene where he blows up all the Cybermen and he manages to save the humans. He "loses" in the same way he loses in Doomsday or Earthshock.

>>84881017
God I wish they used Simm's Master more, this look suits him really well.

Have you ever met a Doctor outside of a Con?

I met Colin a few years back

DONNA NOBLE HAS LEFT THE LIBRARY DONNA NOBLE HAS BEEN SAVED DONNA NOBLE HAS LEFT THE LIBRARY DONNA NOBLE HAS BEEN SAVED

>>84881115
I met Christopher Eccleston. He lived in a richer area of New York at one point. I bumped into him in a sandwich shop. He was shooting the shit with the sandwich maker when I came up to give my order. I got a standard turkey on wheat with mayo and pepper jack. It was something very simple. All the while Chris was laughing to himself and pointing at me occasionally mumbling, "Is this guy serious?"

I wasn't sure why I guess he was displeased about me ordering or what I ordered. After I got my sandwich I sat down and ate while he just leaved back into the windowed meat display and watched me. When I got up to throw the trash away he stopped me and offered his hand. I was shy because I knew who he was but he introduced himself anyways. When I shook his hand the other hand came out of his pocket holding a tazer which he used on my neck. When I fell to the ground tense I soiled myself. He laughed, "This guy." And started kicking me in the face quoting Doctor Who over and over, "STUPID APE STUPID APE."

I woke up in the hospital next to a vase of broccoli labeled, "From Chris."

Now every year he shows up to my families Thanksgiving dinner, uninvited, unannounced, and just eats, laughs to himself, and then leaves. Last year he murdered my mother. I fear what hurricane Chris will bring this year..

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>>84881088

>>84881212
Hope one of these gets used for the next general.

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>>84881233
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>>84881233
Simmkino

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,

>>84881253
I really like the red on the inside of his coat and the semi-casual shirt combo. I'm assuming that was a very intentional reference to Capaldi's costume, and that means it's KINO

>>84881202
Nobody lives.

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>>84880891
Horror of Fang Rock, every character other than the Doctor and Leela die

i'm so glad simm came back to redeem himself.

i always knew it was RTD's fault he was so shit in those episodes.

>>84881278
I probably only like his Master so much 'cause he comes from my home town, but I feel like he's been used way less than he should have. Missy has had appearances in tonnes of episodes but Simm's has been in a lot less.

I hope they pull off a Journey's End move and have him put the energy into a spare hand (could work, he already has the idea of keeping one from the Doctor) so Chibnall can use him.

>>84880891
An Unearthly Child parts 2-4

what holds back doctor who?

if you want to name a producer be specific, what about them is the issue.

>>84881395
Reset buttons and lack of consequences in general

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>>84881327
remember when

>>84881395
The marketing and low budget.

>>84881395
>what holds back doctor who?
The BBC

>>84881395
Weak characters and lack of consequences and risks

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>>84881440
ohmergerrrrd

What's a good torrent file for Big Finish post 2011?
All legally purchased but I'm getting tired of clicking download on each individual file, and it would probably take a small strain of their servers.

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>>84881465

>>84881496
cont.
Also whilst on the subject, how do you organise your BF folders?

>>84881395
The budget, the lack of great writers.

>>84881395
Budget and crap writing.

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12 has no originality

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>>84881549

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>>84880993

>>84881395
The budget. They really need to stop using shit CG monsters.

>>84881115
I did actually meet Sylvester McCoy in one of those little Tesco garages (Tesco Express?) a few years back. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a nob and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off.

When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen little plastic pots of rice pudding in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

>>84881549
Howard Burden is a hack

>>84881510
Divided into folders by range and ordered by release date. It's the only way.
If you try to do it chronologically by Doctor there's a good chance you'll go insane..

>>84880891

Genesis of the Daleks is a complete failure for the Doctor
He barely escaped while Davros slaughtered the Kaled high command and the Daleks exterminated everyone on the planet, winning the neverending war on Skaro, while the Doctors actions are probably what started the Time War.

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Based Piss Heather.

>>84881449
>>84881542
>>84881588

>muh budget

fuck off. You could make a GOAT story with a hundred times smaller budget than an episode of Doctor Who if only the writing was good.

>>84881395
The revolving door when it comes to writers, and the lack of quality of them

@the dude who didn't think the midget scene was patronizing. I've edited together the parts I was referring to. https://a.pomf.cat/lxyozt.webm

>>84881969

I meant the 'hundred times smaller budget' very literaly.

Doctor Who costs about 1 million pounds per episode.
Primer cost 7000 $.
Following, Nolan's debut cost 6000 $

>>84882084
is that some green screen at 0:48

>>84881969
They can do it. See Heaven Sent and Blink etc. But the show should be aiming to be as 'big in scope' as stuff like GOT

>>84881844
G O D D E S S

>>84882084
it does sounds like he's laying it on thick but whatever it probably made a midget happy when they watch it.

>>84882089
You need competent directors to do that though

>>84882084
And how is that patronizing?

Listen is overrated.

>>84882169
I bet Warwick Davis would hate it, he's got a tiny chip on his shoulder about anything midget related

When the midget put on her containment suit, did she look like an oompa loompa to anyone else?

>>84882234
Really? I get the opposite impression from him, he seems to make jokes about it more than anyone.

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Betting surging on Jodie Whittaker.

>>84882229
I agree.

>>84882290
>hurr she was in broadchurch so she must be the next doctor

>>84882290
Oh god no
Please no
No
Please no

>>84882191
Its patronizing because if this were any other scientist then the doctor's dialog would not constantly aim to exhibit her as capable, smart, pretty, whatever. It's the same sloppy technique that ruins bill. Rather than just having her be all these things, the doctor constantly needs to tell her (and therefore the audience) how good she is. It's insulting.
>>84882169
Yeah I'm not saying that its all bad. Its a good thing that midgets are getting more air-time. This could have been handled better though.

>>84882315
HOLY SHIT THE NEXT DOCTOR IS DAVID TENNANT

>>84882269
He got really angry with Karl Pilkington about it when he went to that midget village, also my brother met him and claims he was a prick, but I'm aware that's anecdotal and not valid evidence

>>84882351
And yet you still call them "midgets"

>>84882351
>>84882084
Hi melanon

>>84882315
>hurr he was in casanova he must be the next doctor

>>84882392
Yeah well I'm shitposting on 4chan, if I was writing for a venerable and well known tv show then of course I wouldn't.

>>84882425
Fair enough

New Who Doctor ranking

11>9>10>12

sorry but i could just never 'connect' with 12

>>84882464
I agree but be prepared for a shitstorm

>>84882464
>>84882471
You can both die.

>>84882420
Also,

>Hur he was in The Second Coming so he must be the Doctor.

>>84882492
>how dare people have opinions that are different to my own

>>84882392
>Let me tell you a story. This truly happened. A few years ago, I got a letter. I get a lot of mail, as a writer of matters fantastic and as a critic of the field, I get a lot of mail, and they are filled with opinions. Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble. It’s like a **** in a wind tunnel folks. So, I get opinions.
>And I get a letter one day from a guy, we’ll call him Mr. Johnson. And Mr. Johnson says, (in whiny voice) "You are always writing stories in which midgets are villians."
>Now, footnote here: When you get one of these letters, they don’t always, they don’t say something rational like, "In this story you did it or that story you did it". It’s always, "You always did it".
>So I went back through 1100 published stories; I found two stories with midgets in them, one of whom was the hero. So this guy writes me, and he says, "I am 3 foot tall, and we don’t like being called midgets, we like being called ‘little people’ ".
>Well I thought about this letter for a while, this political correctness being a problem, and I really am concerned about it, and I thought about it…
>And I thought about it…
>And I thought about it…
>And finally I wrote him back a letter and I said, "Dear Mr. Johnson, I am 5’5". I’m a ‘little person’. You’re a midget!"

what does the T in Russel T Davies stand for

>>84882229
>>84882304
I don't get the love either. It started out alright but didn't do it for me in the end. The whole "but was there a monster or not" thing was already done much better in the glorious Midnight. Listen also suffered from another one of Moff's egotistic indulgences by implying that Clara was the person who made the Doctor become who he is by giving him a soldier when he was a young boy.

>>84882504
>How dare you post a contrarian opinion and expect people not to have an extreme reaction to it

>>84882527
Nothing, it isn't his real name.
He's actually called Stephen Russell Davies

>>84882547
It's hardly a contrarian opinion, Smith brought the show international popularity, many look fondly back on Eccleston, and Capaldi has unfortunately marked a decline in viewership.

>>84882527
Tyrone.

>>84882527
Deez Nuts

>>84882527
The

>>84882527
TomRosenthal

>>84881969
You underestimate what it takes to make Doctor Who look good noawadays. Hell, you're enderestimating what it took to made Doctor Who look good in the 80s. No one was happy about the crap budget. I read Cartmel's Script Doctor book--the McCoy years were a crapshoot in terms of production.

Do you think you'd get a good looking monster costume on Primer's budget? Plus, Primer was a simple two hour experience, pulled off by few sets. Who already pulls that trick off.

And if you want to get the casual audience, you cannot do a Primer episode 13 times in a row. Hell, I like Primer (I've seen it, and listened to a commentary on it), and I don't want Primer 13 times in a row. Kids would hate that.

And I know what you mean is the writing quality, but in order to make that look good, Who needs budget. In order to make sure they have time to rehearse, they need budget. To afford good guest stars, they need budget. To make sure the sets come in on time and correctly, so that they won't have to get a last minute rewrite, they need budget.

To make sure that the monster they want to make is the monster they actually make, they need budget. To be able to pay for a not-crap Doctor Who Confidential, they need budget. To make sure that the film they have looks cutting edge, so the public doesn't laugh, they need budget. You want some time for a rehearsal? Too bad, we don't have enough in the budget.

Cutting the budget is one of those worst things you could do. TV making is a chaotic process, and you never have enough. Who never has enough budget. NEVER.

Executives who think "cut the budget" like that are part of the reason Who got cancelled in the 80s.

>>84882527
Television

>>84882579
>Capaldi has unfortunately marked a decline in viewership.
What does that have to do with 12's character?

That has nothing to do with the original subject.

>>84882663
The character, especially the series 8 version, wasn't marketable. Probably the worst incarnation of the doctor. Dunno how they managed to fuck up so much especially since Capaldi himself is brilliant.

>>84882702
I'd take s9-10 capaldi over any incarnation of smith.

>>84882663
Well, saying it's a contrarian opinion implies it's not a commonly held one. But the fact that more and more people have stopped watching the show in his tenure suggests that he's a less popular Doctor, so him being ranked at the bottom of the NuWho Doctors shouldn't be considered "contrarian."

>>84882701
Behave yourself

>>84882741
And you are 100% entitled to your opinion anon.

How many people here have 12 in their top 3, and how many (if any) have 12 in their bottom 3 Doctors? Legit question.

>>84882741
Fair enough. S5 Smith is my favourite Doctor probably. Didn't like him as much in S6/7 - they made him too sleek, and horny when he slapped Clara's arse.

>>84882771
12
10
3

>>84882771
Neither, 12 is just middling for me. I don't dislike him, but I don't really like him much either.

>>84882701
Why they are niggers?

>>84882702
>>84882741
>Probably the worst incarnation of the doctor.
Is that why everybody loved it and complained when he went more wacky in s9?

The worst incarnation is TV 6

>>84882771
Neither top nor bottom here.
Top are 1,9,7. Bottom are 11,3,6.

>>84882701
I don't like this. Can you not post this?

>>84882610

I did not say that they could make good looking Doctor Who on 10 000 bucks, but that budget is not holding back Who.

They did not need lots of money to make 'Blink', 'Human Nature' or 'Midnight'. These stories were great because of good writing.

Name one shitty episode that could've been great with more money.
I can't think of a single one.

The good stories would be even better with a bigger budget, that's for sure, but the shitty ones would stay shit - so it's stupid to say that budget is holding back Who.
That would be true if all stories were well written, and we can all agree that this is not the case.

>>84882791
I don't really take issue with any of that, Smith always played it like a bumbling fool, or a child who doesn't really understand anything about relationships having a crush on someone. It always felt innocent and endearing, and the way that the scene with him "slapping Clara's arse" is preceded by him standing butt naked and not realizing what's wrong with that exemplifies that if anything. There were moments where the writing did suggest otherwise, specifically when River's on screen, but that was only a fleeting line or two in an episode, and River only appeared a couple of times a season.

>>84882701
>"Not any longer, Susan. You're still my grandchild and always will be, but now you're a woman too.
>"What the fuck, grandfather? Did you just ASSUME my gender?"

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>>84882835
>Not liking Sixy

>>84883005
Even as a massive Sixiefag he has some stinkers,

I enjoy all of his second season but only a couple of stories from his first are watchable

>>84883005
Hey, he's only third to last.
Used to be War there, but now that I've read his book and listened to his audios he got bumped up.

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>>84882835
>3 in the bottom 3
Delete this.

>>84882833
6 was a transvestite?

>in a few decades all of newwho will be considered classic who

>>84883084
I might like him more if he wasn't the Doctor with the most formulaic stories.

How many times do they mention that 10 and Donna are not a couple in S4

>>84882464

For me, it's 9>10>12>11. I'm probably alone though.

Bill is such a boring companion. She's not even bad, I can't say I dislike her but she's just boring.

how would you feel about s11 taking place entirely in present day

>>84882464
>10 that high?

From NuWho, what do you personally think is the most overrated episode? And what do you think is the most underrated episode?

You can explain why you think so if you want.

Describe Bill's character without referring to her sexuality or skin colour

>>84883301
Maybe in an effort to save on the budget and put more money into good effects and stories or something. But nah man, my favourite episodes are the ones where they travel to the past and meet a famous person

>>84883312
Blink
Love & Monsters

>>84882464
10>12=9>11

>>84883355
>But nah man, my favourite episodes are the ones where they travel to the past and meet a famous person

Oh God. Why?

>>84883339
Chips.

>>84883370
>12=9

leave.

>>84883301
I'm all for it, as long as there's still variety in monsters, characters, and locations.

>>84883312

Heaven Sent
Last of the Time Lords

>>84880754
I want to start listening to Big Finish but it seems too expensive.
Back to dailymotion classic series for me.

>>84883339
Someone who's apparently highly intelligent but we're never shown proof, and is thick as shit when the plot requires it

>>84883153
But how many of those are actually bad? You may get a lot of "misunderstood villains" stories like,
>The Silurians
>The Ambassadors of Death
>The Curse of Peladon
>The Sea Devils
>The Three Doctors
>Frontier in Space
>Invasion of the Dinosaurs
but all of these range from good to great to GOAT. Sure Season 8 is purely The Master, but the cast is so comfy, it helps offset these problems. The Pertwee years may have a formula, but that formula is used very well, especially in seasons 7, 9, and 10.

>>84883312
Overrated: The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit

I'm convinced the only reason people like this story is because it's towards the end of a really bad series. Even a mediocre story like this is going to seem brilliant compared to episodes like L&M and Fear Her which are just around the corner.

Underrated: The Woman Who Lived

It's let down by the lion subplot and Bazalgette's appaling direction but the character drama in this story is really good - certainly up to par with the character drama of Series 9 as a whole. I think it's GOAT.

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>>84883312
>most overrated
Blink, probably. It's a great episode, but hardly the masterpiece everyone seems to call it.
>most underrated
The Beast Below. Thought it was a brilliant way to show off the kind side of The Doctor without doing so in some self-indulgent elongated speech. As well as a good way to prove Matt Smith could do more than just the fun Doctor act, and give Amy a purposeful role, which were some good boxes to tick for a 2nd episode - all while managing to be a fun mystery episode with an interesting setting. I think the ending to that episode is frankly beautiful.

>>84883355
>my favourite episodes are the ones where they travel to the past and meet a famous person
Agreed.
>Charles Dickens
>Queen Victoria
>Shakespeare
>Agatha Christie
>Churchill
>Vincent van Gogh
>Hitler
They kinda stopped doing that after S6 for some reason. Not all of those episodes are great but I still like it when the Doctor encounters a famous person from the past

>>84883434
Just use audiobookbay.

>>84883405
i bet you use the fucking stream don't you

>>84883479
I was about to say The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit is underrated if anything. But honestly I think it's actually just mostly forgotten.

>>84883378
Well they fuck it up most of the time, I give you. I just like the idea of it. It's something only a show like DW can do because of it's space/time travel premise.

>>84883511
I am afraid of being caught torrenting.

>>84883496
>They kinda stopped doing that after S6 for some reason
Because they're usually the most forgettable episodes of the seasons

>>84883479
adding to this it's a really reddit/stream (same site really) type thing to obsess over the satan two parter so if you want to be better you should stop doing that

>>84883479
Yeah, rewatching The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit made me really go off it, which is a shame since I remembered it so fondly. Since then I've been a bit apprehensive to rewatch other episodes I remember liking, since I'm worried it'll "ruin" them.
I did like the tone and setting of the episode, it really stood out as feeling like one of the most "in space" episodes of the show up till then, but the Ood are a heck of a lot more laughable in retrospect, the whole Toby stuff is just plain bad, and the conclusion is awful.

>>84883312
In general
>most overrated: The Day of the Doctor
I'm not saying it's bad, but it didn't deserve to top the DWM poll.

>most underrated: The Rings of Akhaten
It's a decent shot at doing a truly alien story. Yes, it's not great but I liked it.

>>84883312
>overrated RTD
The Girl in the Fireplace

>overrated Moffat
A Good Man Goes to War

>underrated RTD
School Reunion

>underrated Moffat
The Beast Below

>>84882527
Russel
t. Davies

>>84883479
>>84883557
I wouldn't call it overrated or underrated. I personally love that two-parter. Loved the Ood, loved the audacity of basically putting fucking Satan in Doctor Who. Also a great base-under-siege episode.

>>84883564
Just go to a starbucks or a mcdonalds or something.

>>84883594
Yes! Honestly I was expecting a lot of angry (You)s for dissing it but you've summed up my feelings about it quite nicely. Though I did like the scene where Satan first possesses Toby because the whole "Don't look at me" schtick is the only creepy thing in the story. Plus it starts with a very nice match cut.

>>84883489
>Overrated
Midnight

>Underrated
Time Heist

>>84883570
They sort of are, yeah. I think it's tough to pull off a historical episode featuring a famous person while also having to put in aliens (because it's Doctor Who) and getting the story to make sense.
I'm a huge fan of The Unicorn and the Wasp though, but I just love murder mysteries and I'm a fan of Agatha Christie. It's not very well remembered though I think.
Vincent and the Doctor is GOAT though.

>>84883092
We'll have to divide it into 'Old Who,' 'New Who' and 'New New Who.'

>>84883696
>I think it's tough to pull off a historical episode featuring a famous person while also having to put in aliens (because it's Doctor Who) and getting the story to make sense.
I wish this meme would stop. They're not contractually obligated to have aliens just because it's Doctor Who. A lot of the really good old episodes just have human antagonists while keeping the Doctor Who style. The series has never been about monster hunting.

>>84883312
Overrated: (objectively good Moffat story)

Underrated: (objectively shit RTD story or a Moffat story that tries to be RTD)

There I summed up most of your responses. RTDfags fuck offerino.

>>84883092
"First Who", "Second Who", "Third Who"

>>84883780
>Moffcuck this mad he'll never be an RTDchad
heh.

>>84883821
>tfw the critics agree that Moffat is GOAT

How does it feel to be a dirty commoner? I bet you watch ITV.

>>84883462
>The Silurians
>The Ambassadors of Death
I think his first season is actually great, I agree on those.

>The Curse of Peladon
Overrated.

>The Sea Devils
Same exact story as The Silurians with the Master thrown in.

>The Three Doctors
Great anniversary fun, nothing amazing.

>Frontier in Space
Feels like it's eight goddamn hours long.

>Invasion of the Dinosaurs
Pretty good.

I love Inferno, I really like Mind of Evil, Silurians and Ambassadors as well as Holmes's stuff, and I find Baker and Martin's stuff fun. But that's about it for me when it comes to Pertwee.
I think the smartest thing Holmes and Hinchcliffe did was to reduce the number of six-parters as most of those are padded to hell in the Pertwee era. And his era really feels like it lacks a truly original, mold-breaking story. Maybe Carnival of Monsters, I suppose.

>>84883092
Old Who
NuWho
ReWho

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>>84883859
>paying attention to what the critics say
>being so plebiatric you even know what a pleb is
>not watching Doctor Who and accessing all opinions on it through a subwave network
h e h

>>84883894
>frogposting in 2017

What are you even doing here in the offseason? Honestly. Imma go back to discussing actual Doctor Who with the non-plebs while you sit here and meme

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>Only 19634 days until the Doctor Who 100th anniversary

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>>84883935
>being this mad
heh... cya later.... aligator...

>>84883383

Good evening RTDchads!!

>>84883576
I'm not going to stop liking a story just because some people you don't like like it.
And your obsession with "streamfags" is getting more tiring than any streamfags I've seen here.

>>84883957
i make heavy use of ellipseses in my shitposts... this a moffwinner RESTRICTED meme and i forbid rtdbads from getting their greasy proposcises rubbing on it!

>>84884022
This is such a comfy shitpost. I can't wait for the other shitposters to leave for the off-season. Only based Cats will remain.

>>84883878
I'm not going to try and change your taste, but I would definitely give stories like Day of the Daleks, Frontier in Space, or The Green Death another look. I'll never say a tenure with stuff like The Time Monster or Monster of Peladon are perfect, but some days it really feels like /who/ gives it a lot of undeserved flak for such a consistent era (in my eyes, at least).

>>84883878
All of Pertwee's Dalek stories are really good, in my opinion. I watched Planet of the Daleks for the first time recently and I thought it was excellent. They did a brilliant job creating an alien world with the sets: I don't mind quarry episodes, but Spiridon was brilliantly made. The use of little Dalek models with stop motion for the scene with the Dalek army and the scene where that one Dalek gets blown the fuck up was brilliant and I'm surprised they never used it in any future Who episodes.

>Feels like it's eight goddamn hours long.
Fucking tell me about it. I watched it because I thought it'd lead more directly into Planet of the Daleks. It was a good story but goddamn was it a slog.

>>84883312
>overrated
Heaven Sent - I like it, but man it feels like short film material and not a 45 minute episode.

World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls - Admittedly I think it'd be better if the BBC hadn't ruined the Cybermen/Master stuff, but the first episode still ultimately feels like a dragged out cliffhanger and then the second episode just drops the ball on that cliffhanger, rendering a good part of it pointless and disappointing. It also just feels a bit tonally inconsistent between the two episodes.

>underrated
I have a few:
The Beast Below - Not perfect and the Smilers are kinda pointless, but it's still a really good episode with some great characterization for Amy and the Doctor.

Let's Kill Hitler - I didn't usually like River Song much, but this episode made steps to change that. It frustrates me that the episode is tied into the disappointing series arc a tad, but the story of Melody seeing how much the Doctor cares for "River" and then eventually learning that's her, and sacrificing her regenerations to save someone she doesn't feel anything for but has been told she eventually will is really god damn beautiful, and the sort of confusing yet simple story that few TV shows can tell.

The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood - This story fills me with some hope that Chibnall will be good. It's a bit of a retread of Doctor Who and the Silurians, and the ending is a total copout. But I still think it's a good portrayal of human nature and its negative facets while not being cynical, nor laying it on too thick like some more recent episodes have done, and without sacrificing the monster story. It's one of the most Doctor Who stories I can think of.

>>84884074
>but I would definitely give stories like Day of the Daleks, Frontier in Space, or The Green Death another look.

Don't forget to use the updated version of Day of the Daleks! I'm usually against that knda stuff but the original Dalek voices in that story are so fucking horrible. It's like they didn't try at all.

>>84884022
>>84883957
>>84883894
This is so fucking cringey

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euQi3X53zOw&t=15m57s

Is this canon?

>>84883761
>They're not contractually obligated to have aliens just because it's Doctor Who
I guess you're right, but I think the monsters are a big deal for the children watching. Also the Agatha Christie episode would've been really dark if it was simply a human being brutally killing everyone and not a human who turned into a giant wasp when he got angry.

Take Midnight for example. Loved by older viewers but I bet the children were bored stiff watching 10 people on a bus talking for 45 minutes.

>>84883604
>overrated RTD
>is a Moffat episode
what did he mean by this

>>84884022
heh... you petty fool... you think i'm just an RTDchad? i'm much... much more than that... i'm a warrior of gatiss.

>>84884074
Day ofthe Daleks is actually another one I liked. Forgot to mention that.

>>84882527
Tard

>>84884170
Stream memers OUT

>>84884198
just like a male penis, i have never touched the stream.

When was the last time we had a two-parter where the second episode took off exactly from the first part's cliffhanger?

I don't like this Cats clone

>>84884241
Dark Water / Dath in Heaven.

>>84884170
On season is over
Fuck offerino

>>84884241
World enough and Time/The Doctor Falls

>>84883859

>tfw the critics think literally every Marvel movie is "the best Marvel movie yet" and fall at Disney's feet to praise it

Fuck critics. They're literally just shills now. When you have "critics" hawking tie-in comics and the latest piece of utterly trivial merchandising as "must-buy's", it's time to pack it in completely.

>>84884241
Hell Bent

>>84884241
The first one that springs to mind is the Library two-parter, which is ironic because Moff wrote that one. But I think every two-parter penned by Moff afterwards ignored the cliffhanger and went straight to a different location or setting, explaining the cliffhanger moment with a quick flashback or some dialogue later on.

>>84884289
Hi DCuck

>>84884340
why is that ironic

>>84884289
>They're shills because they're praising something that I hate!!

>>84883512

Nope, never have, don't even know how to access it. I do post at length about Simm Master though, and I've had long arguments about the relative demerits of Heaven Sent, just because I found it such a dull experience on the first watch.

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>>84884277
uhhmmm.... nooo? ;)

>>84883312
Overrated: I always thought The Girl in a Fireplace was meh. I'm also not sure what's so great about City of Death.

Underrated: The Long Game - absolutely nobody but me likes it. Also most of series 7. It was a nice break from all this awful moffuckery towards more straighforward, focusing storytelling

>>84884286
No it didn't. The Doctor Falls opens with an idyllic countryside scene where a Cyberman shoots through and drops the Doctor. Taking off exactly from the cliffhanger would be Doc, Simm, Gomez and CyberBill in that room.

Just heard from someone really reliable that Andrew Garfield is the new Dr

>>84884358
Did you read the rest of my post? It's ironic because every other Moff two-parter afterwards <doesn't> take off exactly from the cliffhanger of the previous episode. He's known and criticised for it.

>>84882701
whoever made this needs to be butchered.

>>84884374

Hate's too strong a feeling for my reaction to the Marvel movies - they are by nature designed to prevent any strong emotion from being evoked, which is why any moment of genuine sentiment or feeling is curtailed by a quip. I don't mind critics praising Marvel, it's just that they can't then go on to try sell people products from the same company they're praising. And it'd be great if there was some variety to the praising, whereas with Marvel, the lowest common denominator appears to be the highest possible standard - if a narrative is structured competently - if, in other words, it is formulaic - this is considered a grand achievement, purely because BvS was such a fucking mess. Back in my day, generic, formulaic, paint-by-numbers, exercises-in-executive-group-think were considered the BAD movies.

It'd be nice if the praise was proportionate as well. No movie about any superhero is ever going to be all that deep or significant, so all the glowing praise for every disposable piece of Marvel entertainment feels disingenuous and patronising, as though now the Marvel movies do need to be judged by the "geek" standard of the consumers, as opposed to any (however flawed and partial) objective or even subjective and personal standard of quality.

For example, a costume's design should live and die on its independent aesthetic quality, as opposed to its fidelity to children's picture books.

I feel like Moffat pulls a similar trick - he throws in a bunch of ham-fisted references to Classic Who and every nerd viewer immediately squees and creams themself because "OMG I REMEMBER READING ABOUT DAT ON DA DOCTOR WHO WIKI!!!", conveniently ignoring the absolute trash-shit story the easter egg is buried in.

>>84883312
>overrated
Turn Left. Everyone seems to have a huge boner for this episode but it didn't really stand out for me at all.

>underrated
Kill the Moon. It's not my favourite episode by a long haul, but the hate it gets is way too much.

I also agree with everyone who said The Beast Below, which was a fantastic episode.

>>84884345
Nice try, but no. Man of Steel is a godawful mess and most of their movies are a fucking embarrassment.

>>84880754
Just heard from someone really reliable that David Suchet is the new Dr

>>84884456
>He's known and criticised for it.
He shouldn't be. The weekly TV airing format doesn't lend very kindly to the pacing of stories. Cliffhangers only exist as a way of getting people to tune in next week, and mitigating the damage that splitting a scene in half usually does shouldn't be criticized.
A cliffhanger builds up to a resolution, but then doesn't give it - and instead gives it the following week. But by then, all of that buildup is completely lost on the viewer, and all you can really make do with is a brief "Previously" recap, which hardly works as compensation.
By starting elsewhere from where the story left off, you can maintain pacing by starting afresh, and build up to the resolution of the cliffhanger again. Maybe it's just me, but in episodes like The Doctor Dances or Forest of the Dead, when the episode has only just begun and you instantly get the resolution of "Go to your room!" or the squareness gun, it just feels abrupt and unsatisfying, and I think the decision to not pick up directly after a cliffhanger is usually a good one.

I hope the Fan Show gets cancelled for the Chibnall era

Just heard from someone really reliable that Michael Gambon is the new Doctor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4psNfAJNYHc

I just heard from someone really reliable that a CGI David Niven will be the new Doctor

>>84884677
lol nice meme

>>84884712
BRING BACK CONFIDENTIAL!

I like the idea that every time the castle turns and resets in Heaven Sent, it's because the person holding the confession dial is tampering with it, or twisting it.

>>84884828
This. Fan show is shit and uninteresting

>>84884874
But the Fan Show is not a stand in for Confidential, it's just a shitty new thing. Doctor Who Extra is the replacement for Confidential, and it's decent enough - it's about as good as the Confidential Cutdowns on the boxsets, but it would be nice to have the 45 minute episodes back on BBC Three.

I just heard from someone really reliable that Amanda Barrie is playing the new Doctor in the first three episodes, then the plot will go all French existentialist and the Doctor will be represented by the feeling of ennui suggested by the music and the other actors performances.

>>84884696
You make some great points but I fear we'll have to agree to disagree. I love cliffhangers and I love theorizing throughout the week, the whole "how are they gonna get out of this one" thing. I don't like the next episode being set somewhere different and hearing/seeing the resolution to the predicament later on.
Just a matter of preference, I think.

Rewatching Spearhead from Space, it's really unlike any other Classic serial and I love it for that.
>>84883954
Peter Capaldi won't be alive for it

>>84884696

>He shouldn't be. The weekly TV airing format doesn't lend very kindly to the pacing of stories

This is simply untrue. Moffat isn't a victim of his format, he's the perpetrator of it. People tune in week in, week out for stand-alone stories with no cliffhangers attached, so the argument itself doesn't make any sense - that it's a necessity of the format to maintain viewers' attention. A cliffhanger can be done well in any case, but Moffat's cliffhangers tend to be redundant because Moffat is a lazy and hackish writer that relies on shocking the audience with twists because he can't write characters or stories. If you look at his two-parters, part one is ninety percent filler and ten percent teaser, with little more than exposition, all of which builds up to the reveal in the last minute or so, which he then fails to deliver on in part-two. Pandorica Opens - what is the Pandorica? Who is it meant for? Cliffhanger - it's meant for the Doctor, how will he escape? Big Bang - wibbly wobbly!

That's one of the better examples he's produced, to give him his credit.

>>84884926
They haven't done DW Extra since S9. The behind the scenes/interview stuff on the Fan Show pretty much means its a replacement for confidential

>>84884874
>>84884926
Yeah, Confidential was great. Any behind-the-scenes stuff they've done since they cancelled Confidential was a lot shorter. I'd love to see Confidential back in full 45-minute glory.

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>>84882701

>>84884696

This is such a dumb fucking attitude though. "It's not Moffat's fault his stories are shit! He's forced to write shit cliffhangers by the format!!!"

Surely a good writer would write a good cliffhanger, or, better yet, write a good fucking story that isn't completely fucking dependent on the fucking reveal or twist that makes up the cliffhanger? Writers can rise above the constraints of the medium, and even then, the idea that "audience baiting" is an unavoidable and obligatory part of the writing process is pure bullshit.

Just fucking face it. He's shit.

>>84884966
He'll be 105.

There's a very slim chance he will be, but not in any conscious state.

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>Blind Wave 1x13 Reaction
>45 minutes
>13 minutes of episode
>32 minutes of review

>Be something different other than
>SOME
>WHITE
>DUDE

really?

>>84880844
> reminder that nothing except the Adventure Games is canon

>>84885061
Anyone got their patreon so we can watch their christmas special video early?

>>84882876

I got the opposite effect. He just came across as sleazy and lecherous and kind of gross, and the "i'm just an alien babbeh i don't understand what is a "sex?"" stuff was cringey and disingenuous as a result. It felt like a posture.

>>84885087
didn't Smith get more money for voice-overs in the adventure games than he did for actually playing the Doctor on TV?

This aired before Rose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkCm91u1P-I

>>84885306
And?

On the subject of cliffhangers, what is your favourite NuWho two-parter cliffhanger whose resolution you liked/enjoyed the most (regardless of whether the resolution was immediate, or explained afterwards)?

>>84885119
Probably, he only got something like 100k over 5 years

>>84885307
It's better than The Infinite Quest at least.

>>84885061
Who the fuck is blind wave and why you care so much about it's reaction?

>>84883312
Overrated
>Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead
>Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone
>Pandorica Opens/Big Bang

Underrated
>Most Eccleston episodes
>The Lazarus Experiment
>The Sontaran Strategem/The Poison Sky
>Closing Time
>Into the Dalek

>>84884391
I liked The Long Game. It's interesting how Series 1 was more self-referential than most series: Boom Town follows on from both The Unquiet Dead and Aliens of London/WW3, while Bad Wolf is a sort of sequel to The Long Game.

>>84885424
Either The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang or World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls.

>>84885424
"Go. To. Your. Room!"

Just unexpected, and brilliant, rather than some shit like pressing a reverse switch or fighting them off.

>>84885424

>>84885424

Probably the Pandorica Opens, although I wasn't a big fan of the resolution. That got me extremely hyped. Also loved Sound of Drums, with the Master winning, and the Dalek reveal after Bad Wolf.

>>84885424
I actually thought the "GO TO YOUR ROOM!" thing was both funny and justified.

My personal favorite is from the Sontaran two-parter in S4. I didn't like the episodes that much but the cliffhanger was great. Wilf stuck in a car, slowly suffocating from the gas while the Doctor and Donna stood by helplessly was really tense. Especially because it's Wilf and everybody fucking loves Wilf.
Then at the start of the next episode Donna's mother just comes out of the house, wielding a fucking axe and whacks that motherfucker at the car, releasing Wilf. The simplicity of the resolution is what made it so great for me.

>>84885742
>Then at the start of the next episode Donna's mother just comes out of the house, wielding a fucking axe and whacks that motherfucker at the car, releasing Wilf. The simplicity of the resolution is what made it so great for me.
Ha, yes! Especially as Ten just wanders about and does a hero pose in the fog, the idiot.

>>84885339
Narrated by Tennant
Matt Lucas (Nardole at 00:36)

Really reverses the polarity of the neutron flow.

https://twitter.com/Tomfan_photos/status/885218487819481089

>>84885424
I like it more when cliffhangers don't consist only of leaving characters in a dangerous situation and resolving it at the start of the next episode. A cliffhanger should be a turning point in the story, like a villain reveal or the Toclafane invasion in The Sound of Drums.
I think most of the cliffhangers in RTD's finales are great in that regard, with the exception of the awful regeneration in The Stolen Earth, which is one of my least favorite cliffhangers in the history of Doctor Who because of how much of a fakeout it is.
Moffat also did it very well in The Pandorica Opens and Dark Water.

>>84885306
Must've been so exciting at the time. Doctor Who is back! This had clips from upcoming episodes in it, as well as a countdown, and then they showed The End of the World immediately after Rose, and then another Confidential after that! What a night.

>>84885851
Russel T Davies probably already had Tennant in mind by that point (or even casted him already) 'cause Tennant loves Who and was good friends with Davies.

But yeah, Matt Lucas turning up is a spooky coincidence.

>>84885531
>>84885628
Pandorica has one of the best cliffhangers but I hated the resolution. We go from the Doctor being trapped in the Pandorica while the universe implodes to a series of scenes of young Amy going to a museum.

>>84885424
If we're talking cliffhangers I liked that also had a satisfying resolution I'd have to say Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. The Weeping Angels advancing on all sides, the Doctor proclaiming he has a plan, his whole speech about traps and then shooting the gun was really exciting, and the resolution that shooting the gravity globe and jumping made everyone lock on to the Byzantium's localised gravity was also good and made sense.

>>84885916
Ironically, Stolen Earth gets 3 cliffhangers and the best one (resolution and all) is the Torchwood one.

>>84885998
The other 2 are bullshit. Micky and Jackie just happen to teleport in at the right time and save Sarah Jane? The Doctor can suddenly stop changing during a regeneration by filtering the energy into his spare hand? Bollocks.

>>84885992
I forgot about the angels cliffhanger. That might be the best. I disagree about the Pandorica resolution though.

>>84885306
>The thing with aliens in Doctor Who is it's not enough to just wheel some out with 3 heads and that's it. They've gotta be real, have proper relationships and connect with the Doctor and Rose.
>Based Eccleston

>>84885742
>>84885830
Oh man I forgot about that one. That really was good. Poor Wilf stuck in the car, Doctor doing nothing, then no-nonsense Sylvia saving the day with an axe

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>>84885306

>>84885961
The End of the World is so great. it consumed almost the entirety of that season's budget but damn if it didn't look great.

>>84885916
>>84885998
>>84886056
10 "regenerating" was such bullshit and so was the resolution. But I remember reading rumours on the internet after that episode aired that he would actually regenerate. All kinds of conspiracy theories about the new Doctor being David Morrissey because we already knew the Christmas Special was called The Next Doctor by that time and that Morrissey was in it. Best thing I read was the fact that Tennant was seen filming on set for The Next Doctor was a very devious ruse by the BBC to make fans think he'd still be in it. People genuinely thought 10 was gonna regenerate at that cliffhanger.

Meanwhile, the rest of us were all thinking "hmm, what bullshit will RTD come up with to stop the Doctor's regeneration?"

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Nardole is the best character to ever be present in Doctor Who. Prove me wrong. Pro tip you can't

>>84886355
"Nardole, are you secretly a badass?"

"Nothing secret about it, babydoll."

>>84886355
I'm honestly still baffled at how much I ended up loving Nardole. Hated him in the Christmas Special, found it ridiculous when I heard he'd be back for the next Special AND the next series simply because he asked Moffat and Moffat said "yeah alright". But now he's the best thing about S10.

Is there any truth to the rumor that Matt Lucas will be the Thirteenth Doctor?

>>84886787
Same.

>>84886787
I think I found him refreshing because I don't think Moffat is the best at creating and writing fully rounded proper characters. Nardole doesn't have to be; he's a clean slate, there for a bit of comic relief, a bit of drama, a bit of emotion, just a bit of everything, when the plot requires an extra something. He's just kicking about, having fun, and so are we. He's like the Osgood-type of character done so much better.

Wikipedia states that the Christmas Special will be called "The Doctors" and links to a source from Comic Con. Is this real? Or just a working title? Bit of a bland title if it's true.

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>>84886824
The Doctor: It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for.

Piss Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!

>>84886882
yah it's real

>>84886882
The Comic Con 'trail' video said THE DOCTORS WILL RETURN AT CHRISTMAS. I think people have taken that incorrectly as the title (like how the Next Doctor teaser at Comic Con read THE RETURN OF THE CYBERMEN but that wasn't the title)

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>You will never fuck Bill's hole.
Why live?

>>84886882
The title is Every Star That Ever Was

>>84886997
>Every Star That Ever Was
Can confirm. (Unless it changes later.)

https://twitter.com/PeterDavison5/status/885143572063846400

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>>84887016
Chumbley who is 13?

Are there any noteworthy Doctor Who youtube poops that weren't made by George Wilson?

>>84887064
Well, the Fan Show is one big poop

>>84887054
Not chumbley but I know who it is, it's one of the 'favourites' and its a dude

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>>84887013

>>84887054
KM.

>>84887126
Timelords do love burning buildings. Must remind them of the skies of Gallifrey

>>84887179
Kylie Minouge?

13s costume is yellow and has patches sewn on, he also wears 2 different coloured shoes. Irish accent

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>>84887179
Thank fuck for that.

>>84887244
No. The KandyMan, obviously.

>>84887244
Katy Manning.

>>84887251
Can confirm Irish accent.

Also, Kris Marshall

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what the fuck happened in this thread

13 is ur mum lol

>>84887244
>Tennant banged Minogue for a while and then fucked Peter Davison's 10/10 daughter and ended up marrying her
Good on ya, David.

Murray Gold's final score will be for the Christmas special. New composer for Series 11.

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>>84887179
Kristopher Meccleston

>>84887369
Any idea when the official announcement is going to be?

>>84887429
Kaul McGann

>>84887450
August sometime.

>>84887426
it's the guy who did the music for class

also the logo isn't changing, they're using that stacked McGann style one they used for the 50th anniversary merch

chumbley is not legit

>>84887064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr8v-AxE5tQ
Joe Vevers' videos are pretty great.

>>84887468
>also the logo isn't changing, they're using that stacked McGann style one they used for the 50th anniversary merch
Not true. That logo is used for 'anything that isn't the current era' and will continue to do so. Chris Chibnall's era will bring in new branding.

>>84887459
>August

inb4 it leaks next week

>>84887397
He actually shagged Minogue? Good on him.

>>84887473
I am. Just wait and see.

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>>84887426
>yfw David Arnold

>>84887495
it's not gonna be Doctor DW Who again is it

>>84887512
Yeah, they were in a relationship for a while after they met on set for Voyage of the Damned.

>>84887378
Coveranon! How are you?

>>84887502
So many people are already expecting it to be Kris Marshall anyway, so the tabloids can publish whatever they like. The BBC will still be the ones to make the official announcement. (In fact, in many ways, the press have done them a favour by hyping up Kris Marshall - they've done it so much that people are starting to believe it isn't him, and may then be surprised when it is.)

NEW:
>>84887585
>>84887585
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>>84887576
Bet she was as tight as a marshmallow tie

>>84887564
>it's not gonna be Doctor DW Who again is it
No. That insignia will probably stick around for books and stuff, but it won't be part of the new logo.

>>84887616
Please continue posting on the next thread, based Chumbley. Want me some leaks.

Who is this Chumbley bloke? I usually don't focus on tripcodes but he's posting a lot now.
How long's he been around and how often was he right?

>>84887638
>inb4 some anon starts attacking me and derailing the thread with insults hurled at me

>>84887679
Ayy, I'll defend you

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>>84886980
>ywn put your dick in Bill's mechanically enhanced Cyber Cloaca
Is God laughing at us?