What made Sam Raimi's Spider-man films so good, /tv/?

>>84842383
Sam Raimi

This kino scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPN1BvR02Xo

Tugboat McAutism

The blatant anti-semitism

OUT AM I?!?

>>84842431
He should have stuck with the Slavic Sweety

Let's start with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHiy61kiVHQ&t=94s

GODSPEED SPIDER-MAN

oh.

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A dedication for coming up with scientific reasoning for how his powers

>>84842383
Raimi actually gave a fuck while he was making these movies.

Nostalgia

>>84843220
>lol it was just nostalgia that made it good!
MCUcks are fucking cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD3h_bT0Mfg&t=3s

Old Spider-man was made by a man who loved what he was doing and put his passion into it, Amazing Spider-man and MCU Spiderman was made by a massive corporation shitting out formulaic turds for money

>>84842383
>>84842383
white mj

/thread

>>84842408
/thread

>>84843343
lol wat

>>84842532
how do they go through his suit so he can stick to walls?

>>84843435
They cut through the suit.

ben parker started it all

>>84843457
wouldn't that be agony every time he took the suit off considering they're barbed?

>>84842383
Not Tobey Maguire that's for damn sure.

>>84843466
Maybe but the details of that really don't matter.

>>84843466
>wouldn't that be agony
Jesus Christ, you completely missed the point!

>>84843493
Hold up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_mI5KonG0

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>>84842383
Your youth and innocence.

They were terrible movies, just like any other Spiderman live-action. Only the animated series was good.

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>>84842439

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>>84843570
Kubrick is an example of a jewish filmmaker that hated kikes

find me a scene half this powerfull in any modern capeshit
i dare you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIlStdAb1EY

>>84843621
>that hated kikes

proof?

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>>84842468
He could've had Gwen if he had just played his cards right.

>>84843734
Was just about to post this. I just teared up watching it.

>Uncle Ben was killed that night for being the only one who did the right thing

Fuck anyone who thinks this movie is shit.

>>84843220
>>84843554
samefag

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>>84843753
Indeed he could have.

It's the only spiderman films that had new york city treat him right. A large part of the character is that life sucks for peter, but he's still able to make us laugh. He still endures, perseveres, and ultimately does the right thing, no matter how much he's punished for it.

The other movies skip this.

>>84843499
He's fucking Spider-Man

>>84843969
Meant for >>84843466

Much more character. NYC is people and they spent a lot of time adding little cameos and funny/interesting side characters with one or two lines to make it feel like a genuine experience. Fight scenes were tense like early transporter films, relying on pure action and tact over cinematics and music. Also j Jonah was the best casting ever.

>>84844049
>He stole that guy's pizza!
Every time

>>84844049
J. Jonah Jameson: What are we gonna call this guy?
Hoffman: 'Doctor Octopus'?
J. Jonah Jameson: That's crap.
Hoffman: 'Science Squid'?
J. Jonah Jameson: Crap.
Hoffman: 'Doctor Strange'.
J. Jonah Jameson: That's pretty good.
J. Jonah Jameson: But it's taken! Wait, wait! I got it! 'Doctor Octopus'.
Hoffman: But... uh...
Hoffman: I like it.
J. Jonah Jameson: Of course you do. 'Doctor Octopus'. New villain in town: 'Doc Ock'.
Hoffman: Genius.
J. Jonah Jameson: What, are you looking for a raise? Get out!

>>84843554
Unironically this.
They weren't as bad as the Andrew Garfield movies but they were definitely not good.

>>84844049
This is true, there's a lot of focus on the characters in these movies.

Capeshit movies typically gloss over them to focus more on the superhero doing cool things.

>>84844153
see>>84843734
see>>84843525
see>>84843339
see>>84842479
And that's not even the half of it

>>84843466
He's a fucking superhero, he ain't gonna complain to himself about it unlike your fatass struggling to take off your XXXL shirt and getting it caught on your nipple so you get mommy to pull it off for you.

>>84844153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo1-Gk1uWA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjokjB5VGjg especially the part with Aunt May at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MbMq0qikg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOI4VpUeTps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TvKsVxgbF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4CiWP08yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HStPxrLfM9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhRZB-nqOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvLPUujF_mk&t=158s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EICpP6pmn7o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0bGtake1Bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZ33l57MbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1etvYj6aPqY&t=58s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q25kZROI5aY

>>84842383
>so good
no.

>>84844814
Yes.

>>84844814
see>>84844301
>>84844399

>>84844399
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOI4VpUeTps
wew lad that's a shitty night.

Racist jokes

>>84842383
creative control

The same thing that made people think that fidget spinner were cool last month. It was something sort of new.

>>84843466
The trick is not minding that it hurts

Soundtrack

you grew up with them

that is it

they were schlocky shit to anyone over 15.

>>84842431
People actually hat this scene

>>84843570
You're assuming there are Jews that don't hate other jews

>>84842408
It's a simple answer but it's so true. Although he worked from a wonderful script, Raimi is a fantastic director, and Spider-Man 2 is exactly the film he wanted to make.

The early 2000s was a pretty great time to be a film fan when you had indie horror masters Raimi and Peter Jackson handling 200 million movie franchises. I feel like if Spider-Man 3 had turned out well Raimi's films would be a lot more widely remembered. Unfortunately people seemed to think the sillyness of the dance scene is what ruined it (it wasn't), and then started dismissing the other two as silly.

>>84845463
see>>84844301
>>84844399

>>84845552
>villain is defeated by a power of love
gay

>>84842431
>shalom
>mr parker, dr connor is here

>>84845161
see:>>84844399

>>84844399
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MbMq0qikg

We will never witness a character in the MCU that realizes that having super powers and always doing the right thing actually fucking sucks, decides to quit for himself and his personal life, but then returns and ultimately understands that the most important part of being a hero is sacrificing for those you love.

Goddammit Raimi. You were so ahead of the genre before it even got started.

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"The white and privileged, like Stark, they don't care about diversity or equality. We have to resist against them. They will eat their racism"

"But people like Flash Thompson bullies me and he is Asia..."

"Stop it Peter. Racism is prejudice + power. By definition, PoC cannot be racist"

>>84843466
It would be extremely painful

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>>84842383
SM3 is now officially the Star Wars prequels of Spider-Man. That movie was garbage, everyone knew it was garbage, yet suddenly all this SM3 apologia has come out of fucking nowhere since Homecoming's release.

>>84846346
Its garbage compared to SM2. Its still miles ahead of TASM1,2 and HC because its actually directed by a competent film maker and not just an errand guy for the marketing committee department.

Most of the complains about the movie are "not muh X", which might be valid on /co/ but certainly not on /tv/.

The movie while extremely flawed does a well job closing all the storylines. Specially the Harry-Peter one, which maybe you dont realize it but its the big arc that spans through the trilogy. The trilogy is not about MJ and Peter, but about Harry and Peter.

>>84846346
>implying Spiderman 3 is even close to SW prequels bad
>everyone knew it was bad

You're allowed to have your own opinion now that no one is telling you how to feel.

>>84846346
SM1 > SM2 > SM3 > TASM > HC > TASM2

And yes, Spider-Man 3 is garbage

>>84846346
Without citing the comic books as reference explain us in detail why the movie is bad.

>>84846449
To this day, no one has given sufficient evidence that the movie deserves the label "garbage."

>>84842532
>peter's hands get hairy from masturbating too much
jerkin it with a million tiny sharp claws would hurt desu

>>84842383
They were made by an experienced director and not a yes-man for Marvel Studios.

>>84846605
Maybe he sucks his own dick.

they were made with no intention of being cape nor shit

just good flicks

SM3 is bloated. There are 3 villains, 4 if you include the "dark side" of Peter/Spider-Man, that have to be overcome.

None of them get the appropriate amount of development and screen time. At the very least, Sandman should have been cut.

>>84846649
Or shoots some web into his hand when he jerks off. Hard to say what the webbing would feel like against your dick though.

>>84842408
>>84845570
This, an actual auteur making films according to his own design and style, rather than having to fit it to a cookie-cutter format.

>>84846524
My big problems are that it's bloated and they retconned the Uncle Ben stuff from the first movie.

>>84843466
Maybe they're retractable like cat claws
none of this is real, stop trying to find logic in it

>>84846680
Nigga Venom was the one that needed cut. Eddie as well and change it so that Peter and Gwen have more of a solid friendship and MJ dies at the end, leaving room for Gwen to catch Peter in grieving to comfort him, leading to a relationship in the next movie with Eddie and Venom being introduced, which would lead to another movie with Carnage, ending with him killing Gwen and ending the Raimi verse for good. Would have been a better end.

>>84846680
Dunno, I feel they are all pretty well established.

You got the family drama with Marko
The rivalry between Eddie and Peter
Harry plot had 2 movies developing

Sure, more scenes would be great, but I dont think the movie would actually improve that much.

>>84846685
That would just be a sticky mess.

>>84843748
Kubrick (himself of Jewish descent) frequently removed references to the Jewishness of characters in the novels he adapted.[9] In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, Frederic Raphael (who is also Jewish) wanted to keep the Jewish background of the protagonists, but Kubrick insisted that they should be "vanilla" Americans, without any details that would arouse any presumptions. The director added that Bill should be a "Harrison Ford-ish goy" (though Ford's mother was Jewish), and created the surname of Harford as an allusion to the actor.[10] This is reflected in the way the film's Bill Harford is taunted by college students when going home in the morning. In the film, Bill is taunted with homophobic slurs. In the novella, these boys are recognized to be members of an anti-Semitic college fraternity.[9][11] Kubrick's co-screenwriter, Frederic Raphael, in an introduction to a Penguin Classics edition of Dream Story, writes "Fridolin is not declared to be a Jew, but his feelings of cowardice, for failing to challenge his aggressor, echo the uneasiness of Austrian Jews in the face of Gentile provocation."[12]

>>84846702
True, it's bloated but I personally wouldn't consider the Uncle Ben retcon to be a big flaw. Yes, a few characters needed cut from the movie but it still has it's moments.

Reminder that Sony mails showed interest in either a crossover or just a plain SM sequel with Raimi.

Eventually we will get SM4 WITH RAIMI when they are out of ideas.

They will probably adapt Reign and take advantage of the aged actors.

>>84846793
I love stanley even more now.

>>84846793
>>84846843

Frederic Raphael, who co-authored the Eyes Wide Shut script with Kubrick, recalled that the director once remarked that "Hitler was right about almost everything", and insisted that any trace of Jewishness be expunged from the Eyes Wide Shut script. Kubrick's bizarre relationship to his own ethnicity deeply troubled Raphael, a fellow Jew. Raphael was further puzzled over Kubrick's cryptic praise for Hitler, unable to decide if Kubrick was jesting. Raphael was equally puzzled by Kubrick's trashing of Schindler's List. After Raphael mentioned Schindler’s List, Kubrick replied: “Think that's about the Holocaust? That was about success, wasn't it? The Holocaust is about six million people who get killed. 'Schindler's List’ is about 600 who don’t."[4] Kubrick's friend Steven Spielberg, the director of the film, disbelievingly responded that he "didn't recognize the voice of Stanley" in Raphael's interviews.[5]

>>84846260
but flash is poo

>>84847140
>India is not in asia

>>84847203
>>84847203
americans confuse phenotype and geography

Because of this kino scene
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pFvIdTbaMhA

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>>84847088
>Think that's about the Holocaust? That was about success, wasn't it?
BASED
A
S
E
D

>>84842431
It's a good scene but the 20 minute extended dance sequence he does at the Holocaust memorial was totally unnecessary

>>84846449

You're wrong anon, this is the real :

SM2> SM1> SMHC> SM3......Power Gap......Howard the Duck> TASM ....>TASM2

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>Pete, you can fuck all the mulattos you want but you come home one day with even the possibility that my bloodline will contain a quadroon and I'll have you booted out of my home so fast your fucking head will spin, understand?

It was a different time.

Marvel movies are basically TV shows with a huge budget.

And not good modern TV shows that take risks. They're like NCIS or some bland as fuck shit designed to 'good enough' for the largest audience possible.

>>84842431
> Miss Brant, that's not the position I hired you for
kek

>>84843343
You better work harder if you're gonna push the Feige has no soul meme.

>>84847795
Did you even try to understand what he was saying?

He meant success for the 600 Jews, as opposed to the 6 million that didn't succeed.

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>Hey [B]eter! Shot by one of my own race. WAS I WRONG?!
>Uncle [B]en from Spider-Man! He looked Italian
>God [B]less you son!
>FOLLOW FOR FREE HOLOCAUST

>>84842383
>>84842383
>>84842383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvjoeNHlbwI

>>84848139
Oh, I thought " The Holocaust is about six million people who get killed. 'Schindler's List’ is about 600 who don’t" was just a correction.

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>>84843339
>movieblob

>>84848283
He's completely right though and that video is comfy.

>>84846346
It was garbage, but it's a entertaining, memorable, watchable piece of garbage. And it's still better than most capeshit out there.

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>>84842383
what happened to him /tv/ ?

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They're great kids movies and most of /tv/ are man-children so the shoe fits.

Fucking grow up you fat piece of shit

>>84849390
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>>84844399

>>84848649
He stopped getting roles

Possibly an agent problem mixed with a potential publicity problem? He does kind of look like a smug asshole.

>>84848649
He was in Pawn Sacrifice not even 3 years ago

>>84848649
He's got the Daniel Radcliffe problem, incredibly typecasted face.

The Superhero movie test: If you take away the superpowers and villain, can you still make a decent movie that revolves around the characters and setting that are left? (The plot has to be reworked but the characterization stays static)

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>>84846449
>>84847850

SM2 > SM1 > SM3 > TASM > HC > TASM2

>>84849598
Then he played Connect 4 with Jimmy Kimmel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb9nLxRxF1s

>>84849744
As someone who saw the original trilogy, you're totally right that nothing will ever top SM2. Were the new ones that bad though? SM3 was maybe the biggest disappointment I've ever experienced as a human being.

>>84846685
Wouldn't his hand just stick to his cock for two hours?

>>84849796
The first TASM made Spiderman 3 look great and TASM 2 was a dumpster fire, but one you can laugh at.

>>84846285
4U

>>84849796

SM3 had problems but it's aged well. Raimi is actually a fan of the comics and it shows.

>>84842431
>Listen to commentary during this scene
>Took them 3 weeks to film
>Everyone is super serious
>Dunst is the only one trying not to laugh

Is the editor's cut of Spider Man 3 better than the theatrical cut? It's on amazon

>>84850042
I love the Spiderman 3 commentary.

>Thomas Hayden Church: He (Eddie) is really obsessed with her (Gwen) after just one date
>Topher: I was just really tapping into that from working with Bryce
>Bryce giggles

>>84850135
Technically yes. It not only deletes and adds some scenes, but it rearranges some scenes in a different order that still works. For instance, Peter's big fight with Harry at his mansion happens after the "emo Peter" montage instead of right before it. Also the bit where Harry's butler comes in right at the end and tells Harry what really happened to his dad is cut completely and replaced with a scene where Harry looks at an old photo of he, MJ, and Peter together and that's what convinces him to help.

>>84850135
Totally. The only con is the pacing is a bit off.

The movie dragged too much when Peter watched the 114 minutes version of Triumph des Willens. The movie was already 2 hours long, by the time Triumph des Willens ends playing you practically forgot about the Spider-man movie.

>>84846073
>A capeshit film will never have this amount of heart ever again

Why live?

>>84844399
>[YouTube] Spider-Man 2 (2004) - Peter Parker's Birthday (embed) especially the part with Aunt May at the end

His face in the thumbnail vs his face by the end of the video. Fuck.

Really makes me wish Homecoming had Peter at least *think* about Uncle Ben and Aunt May during the rubble scene. But he thinks about Tony instead.

Nickelback.

>>84842383
the studios hired him to create his vision on the comic hero spiderman. today they hire directors to create two hour trailers for the upcoming expanded universe sequels. SAD

>>84850847
I was thinking the other day about this, and let's assume they didn't want to hire another old guy as ben (or young I guess unless a young aunt may liked other dudes), they could have done a sort of very quick dream sequence where instead of just seeing his own face in the puddle Pete saw Aunt may dressed in black standing in front of two gravestones, one for Uncle ben and now one for Pete, and that's what gives him strength.

thoughts?

>>84852246
Kinda' cheesy, my man.

>>84852287
man whatever, beats fucking Robert "$1 million per spoken line" Downey Jr repeating a line we already heard

>>84852246
Original guy you responded to here. That would be pretty cheesy, but a lot of the movie was so I wouldn't have minded too much if they did it. I'd just have preferred Peter just talking to himself about May and Ben.

>>84842431
This sequence is absolutely perfect.

Can anybody post the Nazi images of the films? I know there's a few in the first movie.

>>84843339
too long didn't watch

>>84843941
Read the new Amazing Spiderman #1, its literally this.

WHITE MAN'S BURDEN

Brant was the real waifu
>that haircut

>>84846346
this
Spider-man 3 was a garbage movie that was basicly ghost directed by Sony

>that hospital scene in SM2 where the tentacles fuck up the surgical team
raimi went full-on with that shit I love it.

>>84854350
that shit was fire, man
you won't see that in a marvel movie

>>84843525
yeah this is pretty good and all but the deleted scene where peter leaves the kid in there when he sees she's not white was a bit much

>>84843339
Jesus christ can anyone actually watch this and enjoy it? This guy is reading his prewritten verbose essay as if he's getting paid proportional to how many words he can get into a minute. He even edited out breaks in his flow to keep this rapid-fire jumble going. Who likes this?

>>84854526

i think the guy on the 4th floor that got left behind was Caucasian, it was a real conundrum for peter, a different time.

>>84843525
>My uncle burned down your grandparents village. I won't let you suffer the same fate.
Wow, pretty profound. Losing his powers really change Peter.

>>84854816
it would explain why he was so devastated upon hearing the news.

>>84846260

what did he mean by this?

I will never understand hate for spider man 3 . It is literally same movie like last 2. It has pretty good scenes like harry,sandman,venom in church,his jealous etc. Dont get why it is so hated by internet contratrians

Also wont get why Sony didnt made 4 with or without raimi

>>84855588
> It is literally same movie like last 2.

Not really. The feeling is similar, but it isn't as well put together. It's too bloated. Contrarian behavior would be loving it, since even normies hate it because Venom isn't a guy with big muscles. I think it's okay and almost always watch it when it's on TV, it's fun as fuck.

>>84842431
Wow, what problem did those bitches at the street had ?

>>84842383
Simmons as Jameson. How come that role fitted him so well ?

>>84855935
I don't know, but it's the best cape casting to this day.

>>84856264
Patrick Stewart as Xavier was also excellent cape casting.

>>84855588
3 just had way too much going on with the 3 villains, and personal life going on.
Sandman's story was good, Harry had good scenes. Venom was complete shit.

What I kinda wish happened, though kinda dumb, is for Raimi to just change Sandman into Venom, but keeping the same story.
Even the same plot where he sneaks into a science place can be the same, just make it them experimenting on some of the alien goo.
That way we don't have fucking Topher Grace, and the movie isn't just Peter fighting bad guys for a large portion of the movie.

>>84855935
It's just serendipity--not lucky casting, it's good casting. He's a happy collection of traits, features and talents that suited the character perfectly. This kind of thing happens when you look for the right person for the role instead the person to tick all the right boxes on your pandering cheat sheet.

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>>84847088

Holy shit it's true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_and_religious_beliefs_of_Stanley_Kubrick

>>84848649
2002 was 15 years ago. He got old. It'll happen to you too.

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>$250 million budget

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>>84846793
>>84847088
holy shit

>>84855588
It has the same themes as 2 where he isn't sure about what he wants to be, so it feels like a rehash or a worse version of 2.

Sandman stuff was cool but making him being involved in Uncle Ben's death was unnecessary and letting him go at the end felt like a shitty ending.

I unironically liked emo Peter though, it was pure Sam Raimi trash

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>>84842431
>mfw plebs say this was the worst scene in the whole movie

I hate plebs.

>>84857300
SM3 was when audiences absolutely could take no whimsy in their capeshit, when you couldn't make anything unusual or dreamlike. That is why the Bane Plane was the last memorably quoted scene in the genre although its now 5 years old.

I never understand people who get violent hatred over these silly scenes. They always stand the test of time whereas the serious "true to the characters" scenes always blend in to history.

People will only remember Martha, or the quips in Suicide Squad, we hate these scenes but in the end they are the most shared and even beloved.

sleeeeep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pmorTLq9_s

They were movies first, then a movie about a superhero second and franchise third.

Movies now are, franchise first, superhero movie second, actual movie third.

1)The sound editing and score. It creates tense and you actually care about the characters and feel that they are in danger.
2)The humor is genuine and light-hearted. No cynical quips and pseudowits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q292IDwEWZ0
There is equal balance between drama and action scenes (which are awesome and the best part of these movies)

>>84842383
no mudksins as main characters

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>>84842383
There was nothing better out. If the MCU started in 05, Raimi would've been shut the fuck down.

>>84843220
Go watch the new one built by slave filmmakers

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>>84850168
>tfw no mommyfu date