13 reasons why

I didn't

>>84819140
Why not?

>>84819103
I only stuck with it to see what pushed her over the edge.

As far as we know, the rapemaster will get away with it, go to an Ivy league college and probably get a CEO job making 7 figures after college.

The parents of the girl will have their business fail and get divorced, he will resort to alcoholism and she will get blacked by a HS student.

The main guy remains a good guy, has his friends now and will bang the goth.

I don't even know what the 2nd season will be about other than continuing the lawsuit.

>>84819346
>I don't even know what the 2nd season will be about other than continuing the lawsuit.
whether or not rapeman gets away with it or not, what happens with the main characters if cameraguy goes columbine, and if the emo blondie dies or not mostly.

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She is a solid 8.5/10 to me, gorgeous.

I don't get the hate. Every teenage chick aside from purebred Stacies are insecure and neurotic, fickle and strange.

You're supposed to be the opposite and cancel it out. They'll like you for that (if you look presentable).

>>84819103
I also liked it. I also liked riverdale. Is that photo kid gonna shoot up the school?

Like, scream rape or fucking fight when the dude is raping you in his hot tub. Shutting down isn't acceptable. I know it happens but fuck man, why are women so weak?

So I guess the other guys didn't pass the tapes to Bryce and instead gave them right away to Clay? I don't remember Bryce knowing about the tapes.

Overall, I liked the series. I was kind of turned off by the obscene amount of le quirky characters (homosexuals and other deviants), but literally all homos besides Tony were portrayed as bad people, which was fairly accurate. I was also bothered by the amount of fag advertising on the school (posters with rainbow flags, "This area is a safe space for all" posters, etc.) And one time when a character said "faggot" and Hannah was like "I thought we weren't supposed to say that word anymore."

Anyways, I'm excited for the 2nd season now that shit has hit the fan and God knows what the Camera kid will do with all the weaponry he had. Hopefully they won't use it to shove gun control awareness down our throats.

>>84819574
bryce was eleven mongoloid. bryce was 12. clay skipped bryce.
>>84819561
It is an animal thing. Just take it because if you resist you die.

>>84819561

why would she even go to a party with a rapist, and then get in the hot tub?


I don't understand this, maybe that's why I have no gf

>>84819558
I see it as self defense for turning the guy in and mentioning the tapes

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>>84819103
The ultimate question.

>>84819561
They explained her thought process. She was already like fucked in the head and didn't know how she ended up in the party and was peer pressured into joining her 'friends' in the tub.

>>84819659
Left

>>84819641
Shit, you're right. This is what happens when you watch these after midnight and like 3 episodes in a row, you start to forget which order they were. No need to call me a mongoloid, anon...

>>84819659
left, I usually prefer short hair but I just don't think it looked flattering on her.

>>84819740
sorry anon I dint want to hurt your feelings im just pretty drunk to cope with the world right now. It was wrong of my to take it out on you. Please forgive me.

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>>84819774
No problem anon. Have a good one, it'll be alright someday.

>Justin admits that Bryce raped Jessica
>Courtney still defends him
What the flying fuck was her damn problem?

>>84819659
left

>>84819346
Netflix is too incompetent to have any of this happen. It'll have an ending that pleases its teenage audience.

>>84819659
Any ass pics

>>84819473
Goddamnit Jeff didnt deserve it. He was the best

>>84819971
o m g dont objectify women.

>>84820123
Jeff was a real chad. a good looking dude who wants help us weirdo's succeed.

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>>84820123
Jeff was too based for this world.

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>>84819971
She's too pure for such lewdness.

>>84819659
left

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>>84820546
Hair like a waterfall, a waifu for the ages

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>>84820668
She's literally perfect.

>>84820668
Who wrote this shit?

>>84819558
>Is that photo kid gonna shoot up the school?
I hope so. He was the only character I liked.

>>84819224
not him but I think Hannah was really annoying and most of the dialogue between characters was challenging for no reason
>"you work here now?"
>"you drink coffee now?"
plot wasn't bad

>>84820987
>monster pursuing scantly clad girls

hmmmm really makes me think

>>84821085
Haven't you met women, sometimes they get nutty like this with insecurity

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Why was highschool so shit and boring

>>84819650
a whole arsenal for self defense? What about the pictures? taking alex' picture because he was nice once?

>>84819224
Not him but the thing I hated was the other kids standing against Clay because they afraid he'd release the tapes or not pass them on. Especially when they tried to get him to destroy the tapes. Why didn't the faggots just do that when they had the fucking tapes? There was no real reason for it because the final tape was going to authority figure anyway. From what I understand that element wasn't in the books. Clay just confronting people would have been enough drama.

I did like the use of Clay's cut and similar details to easily differentiate flashbacks though.

>>84819648
Because teenagers are the stupidest fucking creatures on the planet.

Unironically kino

>>84819648
she was feeling like shit and didn't think it through

also i don't know if she knew that was Bryce's house

>>84819659
Right is right.

>>84819346
>I don't even know what the 2nd season will be about other than continuing the lawsuit.
Apparently Jessica is the narrator now and they'll be telling flashbacks from the other characters POV each season.

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tfw ywn have a best friend like Jeff

>>84819346
yes, Tyler shooting up the school isn't anything interesting...

>>84821398
kids are cunts

>>84821553
Jeff was too good for this world

>>84821553
I do. thats how I got laid once. They are the best. Goodlooking, popular with girls, but instead of being an asshole they use their power to help robots.

>>84819846
She's a lesbian.

Hannah is the cutest, I bet she never even farted.

>>84821267
Pure pottery.

>>84819103
>show doesn't have a school shooting at the end

it's shit

>>84822293
The whole first season revolved around the tapes. Try next season.

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>>84822293
Season 2, bud

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>>84822191

>>84822009
Just once and it was so beautiful it was featured uncredited in the video yearbook.

>>84819103

I liked it, too. It was exceptionally well acted and shot for what it is.

>>84823906
I was surprised with how well shot it was. Felt like a waste of talent.

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>>84823906
>>84824356
These.

>>84819103
It's okay but petty af

The "main guy" is the cringiest, beta-est white male I have ever seen in my life; I really don't believe anyone has ever been as bad as him and that he is propaganda to make people think of white guys that way.

The main girl is far and away WAY too attractive to have been treated as plain as she was. All the problems from episodes 1-10 were pathetic and kiddy as fuck; only the rape and the guy at the end who couldn't be fucked to help her were actual problems. Everything else was just high school.

This show went over a lot of peoples heads. She isn't supposed to be a "hero", she is closer to an anti-hero if anything

I felt kinda bad for the lunkhead, the chad. She forced him to rape her by being too qt

Why did she walk like a man???
Someone answer me!!!

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>>84826059
She's a big girl.

>>84819224
The girl didn't throw herself in front of a train and explode in slow motion.

>>84825860

That was all the fucking point.

>>84819224
It was gay.

>>84819103
she's the prettiest girl in the world

>>84819103
Shes hot, is there nude scenes?

>>84827533
Nah, the farthest she goes in the show is bras.

>>84822463
>>84822191
is he a faggot or something? why doesn't he kiss her

would you kiss hannahs feet if she asked you to?

>>84819574
>13 reasons why I shot up the school starring Tyler pls no bully fbi

>>84819103
I'm waiting, OP, you didn't even mention the first

>>84827823
Tyler was best boy. He did nothing wrong they should have let him into their secret club.

>>84827926
he already does. we call it /b/

Remimder that if you think the characters actions were stupid, this is based on true events and teenagers are this stupid in real life.

In real life though the writers friend being female survived her "suicide attempt"

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>>84827821
Definitely.

>>84827926
Ryan was best boy, actually. BTFO'd worst girl Courtney

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>Tfw name is Bryce

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>>84827821
id kiss her but

>>84820668
What a fucking cunt. What

I dropped it when she cut her hair. Long hair is cute af.

>>84819224
It unintentionally fetishizes suicide as a form of revenge. I think it's unhealthy.

>>84828039
...people do stupid things in real life, how is this a fucking argument?

>>84820668
>ask a front loaded question
>what you you think i'm retarded?(word used:special)
>ok bye you stupid GUY
Fuck this cunt.

>>84829736
>fetishizes suicide as a form of revenge
Literally what. You're literally the only person that probably thinks that. You have a sick head.

I liked the style at first. I understood her character, and most character in fact. Their motivations were clear, their feelings were those of high schoolers and the drama was typical for the most part. What rubbed me the wrong way is how despicable she was with all those people. She passive-aggressively killed herself and set tapes to people that didn't deserve it. Aside from Bryce, she was as bad as the other kids, but she judged them for it on top of that.

She was manipulative as fuck. She would push people back several times in a row until they accept to leave her alone, only to get back at them for leaving her. That's what happened on Clay's tape, and that's what happened on her counselor's tape. She would scream "LEAVE ME ALONE" over and over only to tell them "I wanted you to stay" from the grave.

The one that got me the most was Justin's second tape. She's guilt tripping the guy for "letting" his girlfriend get raped, when she did the exact same thing, in the exact same situation. She has no ability to introspect.

And then, a kid tries to kill himself because of her tapes. It wouldn't be so bad if the series depicted the irony in any meaningful way, but it didn't. It played it straight and brushed her hypocrisy under the rug for the most part. And don't get me started on the subplot about her parents suing the school. They had no legitimate reason to believe the school knew, it felt the were looking for a scapegoat the whole time. "The school didn't do enough anti-bullying propaganda." What school does? Teen psyche isn't an exact science dipshit. You never know if your efforts are enough when dealing with this kind of stuff. The scene in which the mother goes into the bathroom and is shocked at the graffiti on the wall had me cringing. "What kind of school allows this?" Cunt acting all high and mighty as if bullying didn't exist in her time.

>>84830993
I mean, she IS a high-schooler, not some person who can think rationally.

>hits stop sign
>CALL THE POLICE CALL THE POLICE 911 911
I never got that. They called 911 at least two times thoughout the show and it was never an emergency. I thought 911 was for emergencies, not pety shit like that

>>84830986
It's a common complaint for people who missed the point.

>>84830986

No, he's not. It's actually a common SJW criticism of it.

>>84831044
I get her character is over-sensitive, I liked that in some way, it was believable although frustrating. My main gripe is how the series as a whole didn't do much introspection. The series didn't depict Hannah's actions as hypocritical. It tried to depict her suicide as the consequence of people's actions around her when it was her own personality that was the harbinger of her social fuck-ups for the most part.

She would constantly put people around her in "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations like in >>84820668 so the audience would see her as rightful at these moments.

>>84830993
>The one that got me the most was Justin's second tape. She's guilt tripping the guy for "letting" his girlfriend get raped, when she did the exact same thing, in the exact same situation. She has no ability to introspect.
This bothered me too because she knew Justin tried to stop it twice and failed both times. She knew he felt like fucking shit over it and she gloats about it to him anyway even though he was the only one that tried to stop it.

>>84819103
>I liked it
she liked it even more behind church.

>>84831470
>It tried to depict her suicide as the consequence of people's actions around her
Don't you think that was the point of the show? It was being narrated by her in a way, so of course she blames them.

>>84831570
Exactly! And it's never brought up. She would go on about how she, herself, was drunk, scared and powerless, but not once did she realize that Justin was in the exact same position: drunk, scared, powerless. Yet, like you said, he tried to prevent it.

>>84830986

Some 'official' department of suicide who advised on the series told them not to actually show the suicide or imply she got her revenge thanks to her suicide.

When they went ahead and did it anyway lots of normies got pissed.

>>84831570

They are the reasons why, it doesn't mean the narrative says it's their fault.

It did a pretty good job of saying that it wasn't one thing and that Hannah was "drama" as Tony, the neutral POV, confirmed.

>>84831890

> imply she got her revenge thanks to her suicide.

It didn't, though.

I don't get how showing someone cutting their wrists is bad. It's not like it was glamourized.

>>84831681
It was the point of the show indeed, which is why I disliked it. A more clever show would have pointed her shortcomings in any meaningful way. The point of the series was that people around her drove her to suicide, even though it was her own decision.

Here's another way to look at it through a hypothetical situation. Person A calls Alice a bitch. Person B calls Betty a bitch. Then, Betty kills herself because of what Person B said. Is Person B worse than Person A? Should any of these two get a tape? Both actions are equivalent, yet one ends with a suicide. The series depicts Person B as a jerk and Person A gets scoff free.

In the episode in which they bust a stop sign, would she had sent a tape to Jenny if there had there been no accident? Probably not. Yet, Jenny's action would have been the same in both situations. She gave more importance to consequences than to the actions proper, which happen through a sort of butterfly effect.

>>84821537
>Apparently Jessica is the narrator now and they'll be telling flashbacks from the other characters POV each season.
Fuck I knew that would happen. You can only stretch a story about suicide so far to the point where it's just going to be about character drama and have nothing to do with the original premise.

>>84831986
Except the reason why should have been Bryce. Justin shouldn't have had two tapes, Bryce should have because he's the one who did something wrong.

Justin did hide it from Jessica but Hannah did the same thing.

>>84832084
>The point of the series was that people around her drove her to suicide, even though it was her own decision
Exactly. Which is why I can't wait for Season 2 to see how they handle the case after the tapes are released.

>>84822191
this guy has a really strong neck

>>84831986
Maybe the narrative doesn't outright say it's their fault, but I feel it nudges that way. She passive-aggressively get revenge through those tapes, and by the end of the series the closest thing we get to a closure is how everyone lives are worse now.

>>84830993
>She's guilt tripping the guy for "letting" his girlfriend get raped, when she did the exact same thing, in the exact same situation. She has no ability to introspect.
I thought about this too, but there are some instances in the show where she is wrong(for example Asian jock taking her note, not the way she remembered it) they're from her perspective, I think when Justin was trying to get Bryce away she already left the house

>>84832324
Justin tried to get Bryce away before the rape, so she was still there. And since what the audience is shown is her own recollection, we are to assume she saw it and interpreted it as such.

>>84832127

He was part of the reason.

>Justin did hide it from Jessica but Hannah did the same thing.

Which is exactly what she said.

>This tape isn't about him. It's about you and me.
>That girl had two chances that night. But we both let her down. How do I live with that?

>>84832407

If you knew your girlfriend was being raped, would you feebly knock on the door or raise high hell and get more people to help stop it?

>>84832783
the problem with Justin is that his love for Bryce got in the way. It was still a pussy move and he's definitely in the wrong but it's clear he saw Bryce as a kind of lifeline for all the shit he helped him through. He knew that raising hell would get Bryce in trouble. He still should have done it but I can at least see why he didn't even if it's not what I would have done

>>84832870

>let your gf be assaulted because a guy bought you shoes

Everyone has reasons for doing things. That's life.

>>84830993
Some characters were retarded. Like that random Mexican who would randomly charge at people. Who does that shit? But I agree with all of this. We're expected to feel bad for her when she drops friends, then cries when it happens to her. Her cuntish attitude then being upset they didn't put up with her or coddle her and say the right thing. And I've noticed this in a few Netflix series where they have "to fight the system." When they can't or have no reason to

>>84820668
What a fucking bitch. Asks a loaded question, interprets his moment of thinking as an answer, and jumps to the worst possible conclusion.
This is why I hate this shit. The main character is totally unlikeable.

>>84819103
Bryce literally did nothing wrong. She did not ever say 'NO' when he starts fucking her. Like she expects him to just have goddamn mind reading abilities, and when she's letting him fuck her he's supposed to know she didn't want him to.
For christs sake is it too much to ask that stupid bitches clearly indicate that they don't want someones cock in them? I'm glad she offed herself.

Also the 'admission' on tape that the stupid white knight fag was pretending meant they had him dead to rights wasn't even a fucking admission of anything.

>>84833868
>didn't say no
She didn't say yes.
Also, she wanted to leave so obviously that meant no.

>>84833868
>For christs sake is it too much to ask that stupid bitches clearly indicate that they don't want someones cock in them?
She says "I gotta go" and starts physically trying to drag herself out of the hot tub while he restrains her. Bryce isn't a fucking dumbass, that definitely is "clear indication". He knew he was raping her.

>>84833953
>She didn't say yes.

She also didn't say no.

Round and round we go.

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No wonder her parents are stressed out.

>>84834017
Dude, that's not 'clear'. She could be playing coy.

How hard is it to scream or say 'NO' 'STOP DOING THIS'. Instead she just goes silent and lets him fuck her.

>>84834024
Anything that isn't a yes is a no.

>>84834059
trying to drag yourself away is not "coy" dude. Her body language was pretty damn obvious. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying she wasn't a fucking dumbass for getting in the tub or going to his house in the first place, I'm just saying Bryce isn't free of blame.

>>84834068
Anything that isn't a no is a yes.

>>84833868
I know this is bait, but I'll bite. A yes or a no doesn't matter. Most of human communication is non-verbal and even predates language itself. If someone tries to escape your grip and looks uneasy does not want to fuck you.

You act as an autist when you see someone laugh and smile and ask yourself "I wonder what that means." Bryce is no autist.

>>84834188
Getting in the tub was fine because she was at least with people. Bryce wouldn't have done shit to her if she was around people.

The issue is she thought it was a good idea to not get out when Jessica did.

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>>84833868

>>84819103
I was good at it...

>>84834059
Who's to say he wouldn't fucking cold-cock her if she did that?

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>>84834337
I was alive...

>>84834252
It is literally not bait. Relying on 'oh I used non-verbal cues' is bullshit when you want someone to not put their dick in you. You think guys getting raped in prison say 'oh hey I looked towards the floor, indicating I didn't want the dick so it was obviously rape'. Hell no, they're shouting and fighting as much as possible. I do not understand why this stupid cunt could not just say 'hey stop trying to fuck me' or scream. She had all the power in the world to prevent what was happening to her, but she just let it happen and then offed herself.
Weak, defective, genes.

>>84834361
Is it supposed to be common knowledge to cut yourself in a tub full of water?
Like why? Did she do research or something

>>84834437
No one is saying she did the right thing. But saying Bryce did nothing wrong is bait.

>>84834437
She was already fucked in the head. You would think she would've stopped him from raping the first time if she could yell stop when she was the one being raped.

>>84819561
>what is fight flight or freeze

>>84834441
I'm sure she did do research. I've only considered suicide (never attempted) and I've done tons of research.

>>84834493
No matter how miserable of a creature you are anon remember I love you and you shouldn't kill yourself

Also
>boohoo they voted me best ass
Takes the cake as stupidest, most unrealistic reason a chick would off herself.

>>84819659
In this pic, right. In general, left

>>84834493
How can you document your successful suicide anyway?

>>84834538
If I were a girl, I definitely would've taken that as a compliment.
But I can also see why people would take offense to that. Literally 99% white school. Fucking white people.

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>>84834493
don do it fren

>>84834493
>>84834642
thanks buds

>>84834583
if I do it I'll be sure to say "HANNAH BAKER DID IT SO I'M GONNA DO IT TOO" just so that you all can enjoy the shitstorm that follows.

>>84834674
sorry meant to reply to >>84834530 not myself lmao

>>84822463
>>84822191
>>84820668
>>84834361


Holy fuck I forgot how close to home this show hit.

Fuck

>>84830993
thats how lots of parents often react when their kid commits suicide they are looking for someone to blame, just like a lot of parents whos kids have committed suicide complained about the show itself being the reason that their kids committed suicide.

>>84831078
i didnt get that bit either, stop signs could be knocked down all the time, i dont think people usually call emergency services straight away if one get taken down. it usually just happens a few weeks or so when someone notices.

>>84834736
Clay really was a likable character. He was a nerd, but wasn't a dork. He was socially awkward but not to the point of being annoying. Too bad we can't say as much about Hannah.

>>84832078
exactly they showed how horrible and disgusting it was, how she slowly bled in a bath and then had her parent screaming mad and in pain after they found her. HOW in any fucking way can someone conceive that as being glamourised.

>>84834798

Stop signs going down is a pretty big deal. People who take them down as pranks get some pretty serious charges up to manslaughter/2nd degree. Its not unreasonable to think someone would want to call the police after hiting one.

>>84834872
Isn't there a different number to call though? Not 911

>>84834798
Once, there were a few delinquents that unrooted a stop sign near my house. We didn't know what to do, so a friend of mine called 911. I think they told us we should contact road services or something instead.

>>84834831
The relationship they had was eerily close to one I had in high school with a girl. Right up to the whole suicide. I expected similarities going into the show, but holy shit it was like watching a dramatization of my sophomore year of high school. The show unironically triggered me

>>84834894
Non emergency police would usually be who you call, but they were drunk high schoolers

>>84832084
just because hannah doesnt admitt to being part of the reason she commited suicide and that it was at least partly her own fault doesnt mean that the show didnt show that she made her own mistakes as well, it all depends on the person watching the show (someone that watched the show and saw how she watched the rape just like justin watched could see that all the things that she was blaming justin for on his 2nd tape she was also blaming herself for but she was too weak to admit it or was unable to fully come to terms with it.

>>84834749
Makes sense character-wise. But the show depicted the parents as righteous the whole time.

>>84834936
but even if they did call someone straight away, there is no way it would of been fixed before the car crash, so the guy would of still died anyway.

>>84822380
is their?

>>84835006
im sur ethat most of the parents feel righteous but that doesnt mean the show is actually saying they are in the right, it could just be a directional choice in order to depict the emotions and thought processes of a parent in that situation. you dont have to agree that they were right.

>>84834530
what if he's a future Hitler?

>>84834986
I think we're on the same page on understanding Hannah's character. However, I disagree on one thing: I'm not convinced the show itself realized how awful Hannah was being to those around her.

>>84835130
I think the show realized that Hannah was awful. One of the producers said in an interview that Hannah isn't supposed to be a sympathetic character.

>>84835161
same, i think that most people just assume that thats how the show would make that kind of character so they make assumptions about the show based on the idea that no one would make a story about a character who commits suicide and make them seem like a bad person.

>>84835020
Good point. I just remembered something else: the man was on his cellphone during his accident, how was this never brought up as a partial reason for the accident? I know the point of that scene was for Jeff to be wrongfully accused of drunk driving, but since this is the case, it seems odd to bring up that the old man was on his cell without it ever going into play.

>>84835214
yeah and wait am i mis -remembering or something cus im sure that when they looked at jeffs car it was actually filled with alcohol like filled with drinks.

>>84835214
>>84835260
That didn't quite make sense to me. Don't hospitals/coroners/whomever take a blood sample that would have proved he didn't drink that night?

>>84835066
I would agree with you if the parent didn't ultimately win the lawsuit (it was implied they would anyway.) I can understand it as a directional choice to depict the emotions of parent, even though I find it ineffective considering it didn't manage to make me sympathize with them at all. However, seeing the end result, the show's stance is that the parent were indeed in the right and that's where it irritates me still.

>>84835260
Wasn't he on a trip to the convenience store to bring beer back to the party? Maybe I'm wrong... Then again, it wouldn't make sense since he would be going the other way if he was coming back from the store.

>>84835335
well it doesnt actually fully say they were in the right. because the parents were arguing that it was the schools fault.
however even if the students bullied hannah it doesnt mean the school is at fault, as long as the followed protocol and did all the things that the could to prevent the bullying in the first place. however since hannah didnt actually go to them or bring up anything to the school, the school cant exactly be put into blame. especially with teh main issue of bryce raping hannah, the rape didnt happen on school and when she tried talking to the councler about it she didn't communicate properly and led him to believe that it was done with consent.

>>84835425
i thought he was going home, im not sure i'd have to watch it again to make sure or something. or maybe someone could post that part of the script and we could look at it.

>>84834538
lol you dont think the whole.
OMG dont objectify me.
im a person not just a women with an ass
wahhhh.

you dont think that this could set off someone these days? are you crazy, people have gotten a lot more sensitive about that shit. and besides thats not the only reason she offed herself, she got raped, her bf made everyone think shes a slut, everyone of her freinds ended up hating her and ignoring her and she had a stalker who took photos of her in her bedroom at night.....

>>84835205
>>84835161
>One of the producers said in an interview that Hannah isn't supposed to be a sympathetic character.

Was that in the Beyond the Reasons or whatever it was? Maybe I should watch that. In any case, if Hannah was supposed to be depicted in a bad light, it flew right over my head. It was very very low key if that was the case. I felt I wouldn't have hated Hannah were I unable of critical thinking.

>>84834603
same for black schools especially when you tell them they werent the only race that has been slaves and shit like that.

>>84835563
its hard for a lot of people to get passed the whole, how can you be mad at the person who committed suicide how can you say they did anything wrong whats wrong with you.

The whole story revolves around adolescents blaming themselves for someones death. It's literally part of grief that's exaggerated by the tapes.

>>84835428
But I feel the series tried to "trick" the audience into taking the side of the parents. They don't have to fully say they were right, but with the right mix of editing and musical cues, they can clearly show the audience who they should root for or against. This is incredibly jarring when you fundamentally disagree with what the screen tries to convey.

It's like watching Star Wars, but with the Imperial March and the Skywalker Theme switched.

>>84835654
well i mean its only an issue if you're not paying attention to what you watch and think critically of whats going on.

>>84835617
Of course, but this isn't my point. I'm just saying the show itself didn't blame (for lack of a better word) Hannah.

>>84835727
that all depends on how you interpret the show.
(you could argue that it might not have as explicitly blamed her as it did some of the other characters, however it doesnt mean that the show doesnt have times where hannah is still the person to blame and the cause of a lot of her own issues.

>>84834441
Yeah, it's pretty common knowledge that hot water gets your blood flowing

>>84835709
I disagree. If I disagree with the film's stance on its own content, I think it's valid criticism. I once went to the Church of Scientology, and they showed us a short film about the virtues of Scientology. I think it's fair to criticize it for the message it portrays.

>>84835727
>didn't blame hannah
Yes they did. Numerous times.
"Hannah was the one who killed herself" or something like that.

>>84835808
I partially agree. The show did at time show Hannah to be in the wrong. However, I don't think it depends on my interpretation. The series has a stance or an agenda, I don't think it's neutral in the ordeal. It wants you to agree with it.

>>84835903
sure the show might want you to agree with it, but thats the case with many shows and movies, but we dont have to agree with their messege and their messege doesnt matter.

>>84835830
Can't argue with that. It still felt like the series wanted me to sympathize with her, but then again the contrary was apparently said. Maybe I'm just an idiot that didn't realize it was supposed to be a character à la Walter White. Starts sympathetic but turns out to be a cunt.

Maybe I'm the only one that was getting mixed messages from the content on the screen.

>>84836061
mixed messege isnt exactly wrong because sometimes it is her fault and other times it isnt, its a complicated relationship and it cant be boiled down to is it her fault or not, because its somewhere in the middle.

>>84835968
>their messege doesnt matter

That must be the core of our disagreement. If the film tries to make a point, I say it matters. It's tied to the product itself. It's true in non-fiction and it's true in fiction as well.

>>84836194
well i find that in their attempt to make a certain point that they actually make a different point. (and its all because of analysis and interpretation)

>>84828495
That was so satisfying. Everytime she opened her mouth he was on her ass.

>>84834538
>>84835552
I don't think she would have been as upset if the whole school didn't already think she was a slut.

>>84819659
Right

>>84825860
>propaganda to make people think of white guys that way.
Despite several other white males being in the show?

>>84836636
and that guy said hte depict her as plain. wtf are you talking about how is she shown as plain, she gets one of the biggest jocks to be with her on her first fucking day. she just got bullied from the pic of her that got sent around and so she secluded herself more, she was never"plain"

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>>84832078
>>84834871
It's not that they showed her suicide, that's a whole different topic, but the fact that she gets revenge by making the tapes and how she ultimately succeeds and is portrayed as this martyr figure, that's how it's unintentionally glorifying suicide. It's this unintended message of popularity existing once you're dead, and how every person who has wronged you is dominated by their guilt or will get their punishment and judgement.

Also, Clay's character arc revolves around and ending with him regretting that he didn't show her enough romantic love and that he could've saved her by loving her.

>>84836870
the only one they can actually prooved did something is bryce because they have a recording of him confessing, other than that its all just the word of a dead girl against the others.
it also showed that ehr guilt tripping ended up causing that white kid to try commit suicide by shooting himself.
it also showed that hannah guilt trip wasnt always fair and based on reality like with the asain guy who she said threw the paper away and who she caused to be an asshole to her in the first place and yet she still blamed him.

it also shows clay dominated with guilt becase of what hannah did, whihc is unfair for her to do to clay because he was good to her and she even admitts this.

>show for teens glorying suicide

wew

>>84820668
Men don't get women. All Hannah was asking with that shit attitude was a "I'm madly in love with you", a kiss, and a dinner with the guy's parents. Boys and men are assholes even when don't have nothing to lose.

>>84826059
Scoliosis.

>>84819103
bump

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>>84819103
What did she mean by this?

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>>84819659
right ALL DAY not even a debate

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>Characters who would have definitely voted for Trump

>13 Tumblr blogposts why

Never Trust a Chad, the show.

I think they should have left all the gun stuff out at the end and ended the show right there. Do we really want a second season?

>>84834234
Have fun explaining that to the judge

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I fapped to the rape scene a few times but other than that I've only seen bits and pieces

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>>84833868
This but unironically, Bryce is a shining exemplar of the white race doing his duty as an alpha male

>>84825860
>The "main guy" is the cringiest, beta-est white male I have ever seen in my life; I really don't believe anyone has ever been as bad as him
You haven't met me. Im exactly like that dude. except I never had girls saying I looked good and all that shit.

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>>84834441
Off by one

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>>84835081
Then the last thing he should do is kill himself, young cuckold. You have much to learn

>>84819659
with the short hair she looks uncomfortably like my sister, definitely left

>>84842496
Post pics of your sis.

I know it seems way too edgy, but I was really cheering for the razor 99% through. I hated hannah the whole time for being a pussy and apart from the rape, she should have taken a fucking chill pill.

Also the uber omega main character made me embarrassed to watch it, even by myself.

The only worthwhile characters were the dude who dies in a car crash and the parents. The rest was teenage drama with shit-tier story and 12-and-deep voiceovers with the hipster bullshit of the 8 track tapes.

Oh and the theme made me want to shoot up a school.

>>84819659
wouldn't even rape in a hot tub

>>84820668
>From the writers of over 3 sonic fanfictions and numerous anime scripts, comes 13 reasons why

>all 12 year old writing team

Cringe threads - the tv show.

I don't want to be edgy either, but this show is too unrealistic and it made the girl's suicide unbelievable; you're in a white high school in middle America, not the Congo. No one gets raped that much; that much bad shit never happens. Write more believably if you want to be taken seriously.

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>>84822380

Why would anyone care about a dead teen girl? I don't get the point of the show. She only left the tapes to be a bigger attention whore even after she's dead.

>>84825893
Surely it didn't go over anyone's head. Obviously it's not advocating suicide, but it's so damn shallow and cringey that it feels like some 12 year old fanfiction writers wrote it

>>84842751
gets raped that much?
there was only 2 rapes, and they were by the same guy. how is that like comparing it to the congo. its believable that a rapist could rape two girls obviously...

>>84843158
>its believable that a rapist could rape two girls obviously...

Is it? Is it really? Is white middle America a 3rd world nation?

>>84843288

Yes.

>>84843288
are you really so naive that you think there has never been a case of a guy raping 2 girls. are you bonkers.
is raping one girl believable to you? is it the number you have an issue with or the possibility of someone getting raped there at all.

>>84843405
Both, plus the intense bullying in the show. Too soap opera; comes off melodramatic.

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>>84843512
Seconding this.

I thought the show was pretty poorly made, but I enjoyed it. Got some genuine reactions out of me.

I didn't really like Hannah as a character, but the part in Clay's tape where they get together and she shuts down hit me hard. Reminded me of my own shitty life, 6/10.

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>>84820668
>>84837453
I agree, based on the replies guys here don't get women at all and are oblivious to some social queues.

It's called veiled speech. She was clearly frustated, insecure. Hannah was jelly of Jessica. Because Clay had tried approaching Jessica, but not made a move even on her, even when she was waving him in.

She just wants him to ask her out.

>hurr Why didnt she just do it then
Because chicks don't do that in real life

I was hesitant to actually watch it, but I'm glad someone got me started on it.
I really enjoyed the show overall, but the last 3 episodes in particular were all pretty intense.

Hannah being gorgeous didn't hurt things, either.

>>84819103
So you actually bought into the smug delivery of the tapes she made? Her chirpy attitude like she was doing a voice over on a disney film and the way she fucked everything up ever?
The way she watched her friend (ex) get raped and did fuck all.
Yet has the audacity to put everyone around her on a life long conscience wrecking guilt trip.

Or did you like Clay the ungrateful twat who treated his car driver mate like pure shit and acting like an utter mong in every interaction with anyone ever?