GAIUS IULIUS CAESAR

Caesar did literally nothing wrong

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caesar was a pretty cool guy

>>84786288

Looks pretty gayus to me tbqh senpai

>>84786640
he allowed himself to be killed by conspirators

reminder that if you say "zeezah" or "sizzerow" instad of "kaisar" or "kikero"
then you know nothing of Rome

>>84787195
Kekaro

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>>84787195
>>84787320
What was his fucking problem?

>>84787515
emperor/dictator=senate loses all power
he liked being powerful

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A Trve Roman thread, for Trve Romans

I watched this recently and it was fantastic. Now I'm desperate for more historykino.

>>84787515
Roman senate was kind of a class of entrenched and corrupt nobles. They don't really go into it. There's some truth to Caesar fucking up the republic constitutionally but it's not just coming from some mission to stop rome being ruled by a tyrant

>>84786288
True Roman posts for true Romans.

>>84788691
there is no more

>>84789514
>Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."

>>84788691
I, Claudius

>>84788691
Try "Kingdom of Heaven" (director's cut) and "Pillars of the Earth".

>>84788691
if you're in the mood for more Roman stuff watch Ben Hur (2016), it flopped hard at the box office which gave it a pretty bad reputation but honestly I thought it was great. Very different from the 50s version and the 20s version, but still really enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5zmUSz4isE

>In season 1 Pullo experiences a massive guilt after becoming a paid murderer
>In season 2 he murders Cicero with smile on his face and but is still regarded a positive character
Bravo HBO.

>Romans

>not blonde, red, and brown haired

revisionist bullshit

>>84788272
Goddamn I wish I was a Roman

>>84788691
deadwood
boardwalk empire

the only show i can think of that takes place during the roman era are the spartacus starz shows. those are entertaining but might not be what you're looking for, they're quite ridiculous but fun and you aren't supposed to take them too seriously

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HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME

>>84786640
He pardoned his enemies

>>84788691
Boardwalk Empire
Pillars of the Earth
Death Note
I, Claudius
Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut
Deadwood
Ben Hur (2016)

>>84791362

Oh after working for what was basically the mafia for years he became more accustomed to doing hits...what pork character development


Do the honorable thing and kys

>>84791468

I hope this is b8 m8

>>84791362
I can see a Roman commoner as superstitious as Pullo having his disposition towards killing hugely affected by the Sacrosanct Father of Rome Augustus Caesar telling him it was ok.

>>84786288
https://youtu.be/Rfnz32eOpS4

>>84791667
After attempting to portray the clear line between a soldier and a murderer and entire plot of season 1, it was disappointing indeed.

>>84791827
S1 Pullo and Vorneus were soldiers who refused to become assassins, in S2 they conducted political killings without blinking their eye.

I get that director tried to show the Roman society from various perspectives (and protagonists becoming gang leaders was an easy plot device), but it just felt too inconsistent.

>Next time, do not employ veterans

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>>84791749

>>84791659
>Death Note
nani?

I AM A SON OF HADES. I FUCK CONCORD IN HER ASS

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Let's cast future emperors, anons.
Pic related: Commodus

>>84792072
sendayo ningen FUCKER

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>>84792274
Caligula

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>>84792274
Domitian

>>84786885
hehe

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which one /tv/?

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>>84793157

>>84793282
>casting Brian (a big guy) as Octavianus (a small guy)
Vvevv.

>>84793157
Loli Octavian, by a long shot. Exactly how I wanted him to be - cold and calculating, but relatively normal.

I hate how they made him into a sociopath in S2. Somehow reminds me of treatment Radovid got from CDPR.

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>>84792274

>>84792754
that's claudius. he survived b/c everyone thought he was tarded. he's a pilot now.

>>84793467
>loli
It's shota you ignoramus.

>>84788691
The Last Kingdom is pretty solid as well.

>>84793467
to be fair, if you look beyond all the propaganda BS (he was an absolute master at propaganda after all) it's fairly obvious the real Augustus must have had at least some degree of sociopathy to him

can't exactly do what he did by being a normal person

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>>84787515
He's the Nancy Pelosi/Chuck Schumer/Lindsey Graham/John McCain of the ancient era.

>>84793601
He was really a normal guy when you compare him to some other emperors and politicians.

>>84793688
well put

>>84793809
like I said
Master of propaganda
He successfully went from being the guy no-one dared to oppose to the guy no-one wanted to oppose.

Augustus is still one of THE most important people of the past 2000 years, he was most decidedly not a normal person. He was a highly intelligent, highly charismatic individual with sufficient moral flexibility to do all that was necessary for him to succeed, even if he had to pave the road with the bones of his enemies.

>it's yet another rome thread where that guy lectures others

>>84793937
i just realized being obsessed by roman history (as i am) is in reality no different than being a trekkie or star wars nerd or comic book nerd.
brb getting helium tank

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Nero did literally nothing wrong

>>84791659
>Boardwalk Empire
first three seasons are great

Let's say hypothetically that Caesar lost to Pompey... Do you think he Roman Republic would have outlasted the Empire?

>>84794102
At this very moment I have 3 other tabs open in my browser, all of which are Star Trek threads on /tv/.

No regrets.

>>84794102
Do you think of Byzantine Empire as of direct continuation of Rome?

>>84794600
No him, but i do.

>>84786288
From the thumbnail I thought that was Pattus Wifekillius Oswalius.

>>84787195
Only Amerifats say 'Kaizar', frig off.

>>84793585
This. Best history fiction on tv right now, but I like Poldark too

>>84794718
Than your wrong. Completely separate empires.

>>84794920
>The same legal system
>The same culture
>The same people

>>84795157
Names different

>>84794920
Oh fuck off

>>84789662

more like I, Snorius

>>84795339
what a byzantine reply
note that 'byzantine' does not share identity with 'roman'

>>84794600
Started similarly but after a couple hundred years it was already vastly different

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>>84795383
*blocks your path*

*rapes you (so that you're no longer a virgin, and thus it is legal under Roman law to execute you)*

*executes you*

Why did this show fall off so hard?

I'm halfway through s2 and I'm honestly struggling to finish it . It's way worse than season 1. Also oldtavian and all his friends (especially the dude from downton abbey) are pretty terrible, they should've just kept the original Octavian

>>84786640
He destroyed Library of Alexandria

>>84796198
The library of Alexandria was never destroyed

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>>84786288
>brush over major events like the públic reaction to Caesar's death for love triangle drama
>le ebin RPG characters Pullo and redhead the cucked
>Brutus' mom orders Pompei's son around the time he was amassing legions in Spain irl
>Brutus' mom orchestrates Caesar's murder because he slapped her
>the fall of the republic is the result of her bickering with Octavian's mother
why do people like this again?

>>84794826
That is how it is said in Latin with an s not a z

>>84796290
Nobody knows how ancient latin was pronounced

>>84788227
It was not about power he is literally autistic about the Roman Republic being perfect
He is very close to Vorenus in this sense
Especially considering he was relatively low level
>>84793688
No he would be Mitch McConnell

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>>84787195
>kikero

>>84787515
Absolutely nothing he was great the show honestly just did not due him justice beyond him being arrogant
Made him too much of a pussy, when actually he is literally /ourguy/
>Most of his legal and political life is shitposting
>Promises not to call the women in one of his cases a whore
>Does exactly that throughout the case
>LARPs as the personification of Rome to justify him straight up executing people conspiring against him
>Defend someone by ignoring all procedure and talking about the value of kino
>Calls opponents cucks
The list is long

>>84791362
He did not feel guilty because of the murder he felt like shit because of everything in his life going to shit and just wanted to die
Thats why he did it so publicly, he wanted to die
Its only insulting the 13th that made him fight

>>84796265

still by far the best ancient historical drama that exists

>>84793467
How was he not a sociopath in S1? His torturing the shit out of someone and having zero issue with killing is completely normal behavior

>>84793601
Especially compared to Julius
Julius was very effective but still too human in his mercy and other relationships
Augustus had no such problems

>>84796324
Yes we actually do
Extremely well

>>84794545
No not even close
The amount of dictators in the first century before Caesar prove the Republic was doomed

>>84796974
nope

>>84787195
Reminder that Classical pronunciation was thought up by Germans who pulled it out of their asses

The true Roman pronunciation is Ecclesiastical

>>84797057
What a powerful argument
Nigger we know the how the declensions combined over time and how multiple cases over the course of the empire combined into the ablative
We can also trace points where the Latin shifted into more local Romance style. We even know their fucking idioms
It may not be spoke casually anymore but we know a lot about Latin

>>84797187
we don't know how it sounded when spoken and that's fact.

>>84794545
No. The roman republic was destined to become an empire, the entire system and focus on military conquest made it inevitable that a general would one day seize power. Even 200 years before Caeser during the Punic war, Scipio Africanus was proclaimed a king by his men. Though he refused to accept the title, it's proof situations like Caesar had been part of the republic for centuries.

>>84797213
Yes we dont have literal voice recordings
But Caesar was pronounced with a hard C because thats all they used.

>>84797315
We have no idea how ancient latin was pronounced. I'm chair of the Classical department, by the way. I find it amusing that some ignorant idiot on the Internet is denying a basic fact that anyone who's studied Latin would already know. Do you have a noose handy? Please use it as a necktie.

Professor Warburton OUT

>>84796839
Not at all, cheap British shows like Fall of the Eagles and I, Claudius are much better because someone that doesn't know anything about the story don't end up believing Lenin's mother had the Tsar killed.

>>84797315

Ave, true to Kaisar

>>84797543
Why is the second declension masculine vocative relevant?
Which form of the to be verb does the imperfect passive use?
What does ne indicate in a sentence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIM1e_suu4

>>84797711

How about expensive British plays? Shakespeare had the whole Brutus mom orchestrating thing going as well.

I, Claudius hasn't aged well and is boring as fuck in addition to said cheapness (poor production values). Never heard of Fall of the Eagles but I imagine it's the same.

>>84797713
*Awe

>>84797791

degenerates like you belong on a cross

>>84796845
Would you have an empathy for a faggot who got your buddy cucked?

>tfw all roman movies use lorica segmentata

>tfw not even 1 movie set in the punic wars

hollywood is so shit

>>84797936
Him and Vorenus were not really friends.
Honestly one of the most interesting parts of the show was Octavian being kinder and a better friend to Pullo than Pullo was to Octavian. Octavian just really loved Pullo

>>84797784
I'm watching I, Claudius now and I love it. It's really like a Broadway play more than a TV show. There's almost no action scenes at all but the dialogue and the intrigue and the historical aspect of it is fascinating.

>>84792754
kek
trajan liked this post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FFjpx89Ao

>>84793467
Historically, Augustus was 1000% a fucking sociopath. He was a functional and great one, but a sociopath nonetheless.

>>84796265
Atia = Varys
Servilia = Littlefinger

>>84797784
plebs get out

>>84798218
Atia is fucking Cersei

>>84798180
Nah he just had a high IQ

>>84798450
So did Julius and look how it turned up
You dont just casually kill a baby because
>one caesar is enough
Without some sociopath elements

>>84798450
I'm more talking about his personal life than his political life. Of course, his reaction to the Varus disaster factors in there as well. Caesar wanted glory, wanted love. Augustus wanted control and went about attaining it very efficiently.

>>84798500
Gaius was very superior at best, there's some tangible behavioral differences once you cross the threshold

>>84798556
Is it sociopathic to behave normally as a human being when you happen to have greater tools than most at your disposal? Augustus did nothing abnormal

>>84798615
I suppose that's one way to look at it. Not calling the guy a monster by any stretch, but he certainly had some issues. I also tend to think Agrippa's role is seriously underrated historically.

>>84787515

Dude what?

He was one of the few objectively good people in the show. His only mistake was not dying with honor in battle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQTAuz6FAq0

>>84788691
I Claudius

>>84799034
No you aint

>>84798813
It was an awful representation of Cicero. His speech against Anthony wasn't a fucking short letter ffs