Dune

>>84742703

Dune was ahead of it's time, but sadly alot of the words like "jihad" are now outdated, since they have become a common household term, which indicates a political issue.

Theyd have to change alot of the terms and names to make it relatable. Also, theyd probably change the whole Harkonnen evil guy aids gay paedophile thing.

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>>84742703
>Theyd have to change alot of the terms and names to make it relatable. Also, theyd probably change the whole Harkonnen evil guy aids gay paedophile thing.

I hate how true this is

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>>84742703
Starring idris elba as paul atreides

>>84744036
you mean Jaden/Will Smith, depending on the age, right?

There aren't enough strong women in dune.

>>84744566
Actually the Bene Gesserit are completely cheated, borderline Mary Sues. Paul is cheated because he's a male Bene Gesserit.

>>84742703
How many attempts is it supposed to get? It's been adapted multiple times and no one likes it, EVERY TIME.

Most mediocre sci-fi doesn't even get one adaptation. Fuck Dune. Bury it and forget about it. Bring on the Cordwainer Smith adaptations instead.

>>84744566
but that's the opposite of true

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>>84744725

>>84744725
Dune is Lawrence of Arabia in space (with oil shenanigans added from the time of Lawrence).
Adaptations faield because they insisted on muh sci-fi. Just make a slightly futurist remake of Lawrence.

>>84742703
Dune: The Cartoon

>>84742703
I've only read the first book.
I sit ever explained how these giant niggers are able to live in such a desert? They would need six gorillonz calories a day just to get by.

>>84746181
Herbert notes in Dune that microscopic creatures called sand plankton feed upon traces of melange scattered by sandworms on the Arrakeen sands.[11]

>>84746181
go back to /fit/ fatass

>>84746249
Forgot second sentence

The sand plankton are food for the giant sandworms, but also grow and burrow to become what the Fremen call Little Makers, "the half-plant-half-animal deep-sand vector of the Arrakis sandworm".[12]

>>84746249
>>84746281
Mmh, okay. There would be various difficulties for a plankton like thing in the sand, and the requirement would still be 10 times what a whale needs because moving buried in the sand isn't as moving in water.
It's not a big criticism though, I just have the tism.

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While I'm at it, where should I stop in the series? Only read the first one.

>>84742703
I do like an OP who's on the ball.
its having a reboot
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/01/official-dune-reboot-legendary-pictures-director/

>>84746452
>Jessica
>Irulan
>Leto
>Paul
>Duncan
>Teg
>Bijaz
wait. wut.

Are those books actually planned?

>>84742703
The first part with intrigue, conspiracy and exposition was great. The second part concerning Fremen and the blatant dicksucking of MUH WARRIOR CULTURE was utterly boring.

>>84742772
>aids
He isn't sickly at all in the book. That was 100% David Lynch.

Besides, Leto II encourages lesbianism in his all-female army, so if they make it two book 4 they can make up for it.

>>84746452
Golden Path is the objective best choice, in as many ways as you want to take that
God Emp is almost as good as Dune, and Messiah and Children aren't anything special but you'll enjoy them if you enjoyed Dune

>>84746590
>Planned
Brian already wrote them.

>>84746452
I had some downtown and finished God Emperor. It was phenomenal, and while I thought the first was a better read, it was a better story.

Started reading Heretics but got busy. It seems to be pretty good too.

>>84747922
>Downtime*

>>84747636
It wasn't as good but was far from boring

Most book adaptations would be better as TV shows. Sci fi used to need a movie treatment because the budgets on tv shows werent big enough to do the novels justice. Now we can totally expect the big sci fi novels to be adapted into decent TV shows.

I'd much rather have Foundation than Dune.

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>>84744566

Dune is science fantasy. Keep your shit genre in the whimsical corner

>>84746452
Read everything of the main story line
Even the two last books

>>84746452
Read everything Frank wrote, and nothing his son wrote. If you like Frank's writing, try Destination: Void and its sequels. They aren't as good as Dune, but they're still good.

>>84750152
I agree because Foundation would work perfectly with the new Netflix-style shows that dump an entire season at once. They could just do one season for each book. Plus, Foundation would be much easier to adapt. I'd still worry about them trying to beat the audience over the head with references to current politics.

>>84746452
>doesn't mention how different Messiah is in pace.

That book is ass.

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>>84742703

>that scene in Hunters of Dune (book 5) where this Bene Gesserit chick jerks off an 8 year old boy to restore memories from his past life

>>84750699
>Dune is science fantasy.
Yes, and?

Sand is too dense for creatures of such size to move through it that easily/quickly

>>84750890
>I'd still worry about them trying to beat the audience over the head with references to current politics.

Definitely. Even though a lot of sci-fi is thinly veiled political commentary of it's time, the best authors can usually avoid this problem.
Some novels would actually be better as movies, though. Do androids dream of electric sheep, for example, was a good one to try and adapt into a movie. Though, I don't think Blade Runner got it quite right, it's a great looking movie. The Stars My Destination would be a great fucking movie.
Ender's Game and Starship Troopers would have been much better as TV shows.

Perhaps when the whole GoT/medieval fantasy fad is buried there will be a science fiction one.

>>84753346
The Stars My Destination is the best SF Novel ever.

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I remember being out shopping with my dad one day. I was looking through the computer games and found this. I went up to show it to him, he smiled and put it in the cart.

>>84749467
Yes, it was. It was basically "Paul learns everything from the Fremen who are super strong, can't lose a fight, ride sandworms to battle and did I tell you he can see the future?"

Fremen by all accounts could be good fighters but they shouldn't have the population nor the equipment to consistently beat the Harkonnen forces. And they especially shouldn't be able to best Saudaukar just like that.

>>84742703
You fags know that this is getting remade right now right?

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>>84742703
A new adaptation is not necessary because aside from the CG being a little dated, which I can certainly forgive what with it being a television miniseries from the year 2000, I couldn't imagine any adaptation of Dune being better.

We've already had a good adaptation
gamesofdesire(.)com/quest/behind-the-dune/

>>84744036
Honestly he could probably pull it off.

That being said, I'd kill a motherfucker for an adaptation that actually followed the book or at least used what was there intelligently as opposed to Lynch's shitfest.

>>84760457
ahem
>>84760457

>>84761304
ahem >>84760457

>>84758834
>>84761385
>>84761418
OH SHIT WHAT.

I mean, I've heard them talk about it for YEARS. Did someone finally pull the trigger?

>>84761444
yes they did, 17 years ago

>>84761467
>17 years ago
>Lynch
I want a move, anon. Not an abortion.

>>84761487
The Lynch Version was over 30 years ago. I'm referring to the Miniseries. Dune is way too complicated to do as a movie unless they tried the ol "let's break the book up into parts and get more ticket shekels" routine. Mini-Series is best.

Dune's grand scale needs a big budget and the only way to get that is throwing it to the producers which will kill the film for any serious fan of the series.

>>84742703
TV show. Take them up through where Frank stopped writing them.

>>84761623
>Miniseries
Oh derp! Should have done the math better. Yes, agreed 100%.

Still, Lord of the Rings managed it. It's possible for Dune to as well.

a book about how shit central organizations of power become made into a movie in a era where libs and sjw's want a nanny state to pay for everything.

never gonna happen.

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>>84742703

>>84761673
but Lord of the Rings WAS 3 books, for a better analogy look at how the Hobbit being broken up into three movies fared, not so great.

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>>84751534
I find it disheartening how much Brian Herbert missed the point of Dune and went out of his way to needlessly and overly explain what was a setting with mystical undertones and purposeful obfuscation that never needed explaining.

>>84761716
Yes, but we have 4 Dune books: The Original, Messiah, Children, and God-Emperor.

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>>84760457
honestly, tv series just needed a better budget because those backdrops and costume materials were embarrassingly cheap at times. I'm one of the people who think that "we gotta cast foreigners because we don't have enough money" actually worked in the show's favor by portraying just how varied and vast the setting is.

>>84761718
The thing that bugged me about the Brian Herbet books I read is that everything which set up the universe of the first book happened too closely together and made it all incredibly contrived.

>>84761673
>Still, Lord of the Rings managed it. It's possible for Dune to as well.

LotR is also more straightforward by nature when you get down to it. Sure, Tolkien built all that extra world stuff, but that's not vital to telling the story. Didn't Christopher Tolkien say he wasn't exactly satisfied with the movies because they turned the books into action movies, but they were about as close to the originals as big budget movies could get?

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>>84761785
I agree with you on the forgeigners part but I think the costumes in the miniseries were very original. Is that screencap from Children of Dune instead? I don't remember her from the first and the second is noticeably lower budget. As for the Backdrops, you mean the painted desert backgrounds right? Because I thought the palace & sietch sets were very large & impressive.

>>84761785
The visuals have never been great, for me, in any of the adaptations. It's never been what I saw in my head when I first read Dune. I often wonder what do other people see?

>>84761842
That's a fair point.

Christopher Tolkien always struck me as...very protective of his father's work. More so than I think the professor would have been. For Tolkien, his books were just books. In some of his letters he told a friend that he understood how adaptations can never be the same as the original, and only hoped to avoid it being turned into a cartoon. Christopher seems to think that his father's work is holy scripture. Not to say that he's wrong to think that way, but he's not unbiased, and he obviously has a deep and emotional connection to his father through the books.

Brian Herbert on the other hand.

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>>84746452
>those who love Dune, but only because it has the word 'Dune' in the title

I'm only on Messiah, can anyone tell me how accurate that is?

>>84750890
I wonder if The Dosadi Experiment was a precursor for Dune before he straightened out some ideas.

>>84762105
It's so close it hurts.

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>>84761718
>mfw he made the Butlerian Jihad literally about fighting machines

>>84762374
as opposed to what?

>>84762402
Heavily implied social upheaval about segments of humanity who were pro-technology and those who were against complacent reliance on technology. Boiling it down to "mechs are making humanity their slaves" is a gross simplification.

>>84742772
All they have to do is change "jihad" to "crusade" and it'd be totally fine

the fuckin times we live in

>>84746452
You can't understand how bad the prequels are without having read them. You need to expose yourself to it.

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>>84742703
>Would you want to see a newer adaptation of Dune?

Isn't it happening, though? Movie.

>>84762402
In the first novels, it's sort of implied that religious extremists essentially win out over scientific advancement with the Butlerian Jihad. Religion becomes just a normal aspect of every part of life, and science, while continuing to exist, becomes muddied with spiritualism and voodoo.

It's hinted at that this essentially boiled down to a fight between those who supported advancement of science and those who supported religion. That may not have been a literal battle, but instead just a fairly rapid clash of cultures and ideas. In the end, the religious won, which is why there's so much spirituality infused into everything in Dune. Most mechanical tech is severely limited in scope, and all the biological tech is steeped in mysticism, like the Bene Gesserit and Tleilaxu being in some ways cutting-edge biologists, but in other ways being religious cults.

Then Brian comes along, and the Butlerian Jihad literally becomes a jihad against mechas with humans fighting robots. If that's the case, then what the hell was everything in the actual books about, huh? It ignores the nuance of intelligent people weighing the pros and cons of continued scientific advancement at an exponential rate, and instead just has big explosions and space battles. What the fuck, Brian?

>>84764577
I thought it was also a way to retroactively explain why the tech in dune is computer free.

>>84761690
>Jonathan Price as Thufir Hawat
Yes. Defoe doesn't work on Piter though. He's supposed to be effeminate, borderline trap.

Yeah but it'd never be good so no.

>>84761690
>Viggo & Mads AND McShane AND Defoe and that guy from Justified
Fuck I'd even donate to a kickstart for that

>>84742968
> Leto Atreides is now a black lesbian

> Vladimir Harkonnen is now a thin white 40something male

jesus christ, kill me now

>>84744725
>Bring on the Cordwainer Smith adaptations instead.

which one? the one where the guy tries to fly through hyperspace and mysteriously reappears on Earth, in a coma? or the other one, where the guy tries to fly through hyperspace and mysteriously reappears on Earth, in a coma?

you'd insist on keeping all of the schoolground-tier rhymes, wouldn't you?

>>84762180
The Dosadi Experiment was written after Dune, and takes place in a different universe, although i notice the Chairdogs from the Consentient universe eventually showed up in Dune.

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>>84757997
I'm going to play this now. Music was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czXaKxcQNkQ&index=2&list=RDQHIdDOqVZDM

>>84742703
I really enjoyed the Children of Dune Mini series and would like to see something similar done with God Emperor.

>>84746452
Option 3 is by far the best choice, God-Emperor of Dune is the peak of the series and a great way to end it.

>>84760646
>Almost all the Fremen chicks have big water-fat tits
No

>>84767790
They gotta have reserves for when there's a drought

>>84747759
He is though, according to the prequels. A Benegesserit gave him space aids which made him fat. Before that he was apparently swole as fuck.

>>84768533
>prequels
fuck off

>>84746452
>struggling through Children
pic must be joking
Messiah was easily the worst

>>84742703

i dont want it at all

the best movie is already in my head when i read it

>>84746452
>tfw it took butlerian jihad to finally make me stop reading

>>84768554
I can't help it that's now the official explanation. Blame the fuckknuckle who wrote those fucking things.

>>84768682
Nah I'll blame you for reading them

>>84768682
just because some genetically related retard writes books in the same universe, it doesn't make them canon

>>84762606
i didnt mind them. they were below average but not as bad as some people make them out to be. the butlerian crusade is awesome.

I would love to see someone make an adaptation of god emperor.

Those of you who have read it know about the insane plot point I'm referring to.

>>84746119
Only on the FoxBox!

>>84769199
>I would love to see someone make an adaptation of god emperor.

i think they are already making a trump film

>>84768628
then you don't have to watch it

>>84757997
That's really sweet. Did he push you to read the book, too?