>20 years old soon >Lobby scene ranks as one of the greatest

>>84730539
i thought i was on /v/ when i read this

>>84730552
DUDE VIDEO GAMES LMAO

Look at the direction, the editing, the choreography, the camera movements, the sound effects, you nigger

its probably pretty close to the last great original film

>>84730573
>matrix
>not derivative as fuck

I enjoyed it, sure. But let's not pretend it's some original piece of cinema.

>>84730539
>Aside from the dated music

What would you prefer nowadays you faggot? An annoying wub wub?

>>84730588
>I enjoyed it, sure. But let's not pretend it's some original piece of cinema.
it is

All pretensions aside what was with the false christianity references?
Trinity? Are they jews who just don't understand how christianity works?
Also why can't he die ifTrinity loves him?

>>84730588
Matrix is not an original movie?

>>84730573
I should say that I mean nothing post-Matrix has surpassed it. The action scenes in this are just something else.

>>84730588
I agree, but it was more a Tarantino-esque melting pot than purely derivative.

>>84730604
Mate, let's be honest, the soundtrack is a product of the 90s. It mostly holds up, but it sticks out like a sore thuumb

>>84730625
It's partially based on the novel Simulacron-3, just like the film "World on a Wire" from the 70's.

>>84730604
PON PON WAYWAYWAY
PONPON WAY WAY WAY PONPON

>>84730635
Again you're not suggesting alternatives

The Matrix literally wouldn't be the Matrix without its soundtrack

>dated

Can we stop this meme?

>>84730682
I'm not the director, I'm purely saying that watching it now, the techno soundtrack in the lobby scene fits, but it does sound dated. The rest works well and the theme and overall soundtrack holds up incredibly well, especially the score

>>84730695
As above

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Matrix is an eternal proof you can do great fight scenes without shaky cam and 3 cuts per move.

Cant wait to laugh at reboot's shitty "modern" fight scenes.

>>84730660
It also stole entire shots and scene from anime and japanese movies. The humans harvested in plastic bags scene came from Tetsuo The Iron Man.

>>84730660
Just because they both involve virtual reality, it doesn't mean they're like Matrix. Also, World on a wire is also based on Simul.

I still disagree with your point. I think Matrix was the last big budget original movie we got from hollywood.

>>84730565
>you nigger
Wow dude I didn't know you were a racist

>>84730726
That's one of the biggest things you notice . - no shaky cam/quick cuts.

Hell, watch the lobby scene, it's basically Once Upon a Time in the West through the Wachowski's eyes.

The camera movement is just stunning

>>84730726
Yes. And it's all because of that pretentious fuck, Snyder.

>>84730539
If this scene was made today, it would be CGI garbage.

>>84730818
They did well with knowing when you work around CGI. That's why these movies hold up so well imo

>>84730708
I think the whole point of Techno music was there to stick to the computer and technology theme of the movie.

>>84730818
>implying it won't be full of quips

"Trinity! to the left!"

>>84730818
>All that CG blood
>All those extra particles
>Those 3DEEEEEE particles that come right at you

>>84730539
This OP is the most blatant example of /v/eddit crossboarding this year.

>>84730863
>and your OTHER left

Cypher was right wanting to go back to the Matrix. The real world was like 90% niggers, who would want to live in a world like that?

>>84730887
DUDE /V/EDDIT LMAO

Aside from Mad Max: Fury Road, which is a different kind of action, can you please let me know a scene in a Hollywood film that rivals the lobby scene in terms of craft in the last 17 years?

>>84730928
I'd do the same

>>84730539
John Wick

>>84730695
Please

>>84730910
>that WAS my other left

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>>84730679
god i hate japanese shit

>>84730996
wrong website pal-o

>>84730730
>humans harvested in plastic bags scene
What?

So many of the scenes in this were obviously shot in Australia.

It's especially obvious if you have ever been to Sydney.

>>84730937
>Mad Max: Fury Road
>DUDE DUDE X LMAO LMAO
genuinely shave under your chin.

>>84730928
Cypher was a mexican.

>>84731031
4chan is an alt right image board

>>84731031
It's not 2006 any more, spic.

>>84731137
>I'm not a newfag. I'm here since 2016
Oh it shows

>>84731080
You talking about exterior shots?

>>84730539
>spybreak
>dated
i would love to kick your ass you fucking plebeian faggot

>>84730539
this was pure kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I22xdJgraZw

>>84731548
Was it though?

>>84730539
Ah, the Matrix. The marketing campaign for this movie was perhaps the best I've ever seen for a movie. The trailers just teased brief snippets of the movie's insane-looking action footage and asked "What is the Matrix?". The mystery was thick in the air around this movie. None of this "give away the whole movie in the trailer" crap.

>>84731080
t.Sydneyfagsider
Yes, we get it, your irrelevant state had it's 15 second of fame.

>>84731869
Plus the net wasn't as widespread as it was today. You'd have to go to the cinemas to experience the film.

Crazy thing is, they murder a bunch of innocent people in this scene. It's never really addressed afterward. I'm pretty sure it was influenced by the attack on the corporate building in Neuromancer, in which the attackers were even more obviously not good guys.

>>84731481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw88MWoqenQ


>>84731886
Actually from Brisbane but have been there a few times.

>>84731958
>It's never really addressed afterward.

Because they explained it ahead of time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw88MWoqenQ

>>84731958
They are part of the system and that makes them our enemy

>>84732057
Yes, but realistically speaking Neo and Trinity should have some unease later about having done it.

>>84732057

This scene is obviously an Australian city.
They even walk past a suncorp bank logo.

>>84732087

>Yes, but realistically
>Realistically

Slow on the uptake or just desperate for an argument? You can stop posting now.

>>84730618
becuz prophecy man

>>84730773
They shake the camera so violently you literally cannot focus on anything because much CGI looks stupid if you actually see it. It has nothing to do with giving you a feeling of motion.

Snyder's two good movies, 300 and Watchmen, didn't use it.

inb4 "good"

>>84732182
Watchmen is his magnum opus and it is so because he copied the comic frame by frame and he didn't write the story.

I thought 300 was just visually impressive and it was really fuckin boring and dumb imo.

But yeah, the thing he's most well known was absent in his greatest creation. Mhhmm, i wonder what that means.

Unironically this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbmDpEhAp48
Modern action is all about fake punches, shaky cam and violence that is not "violent".

>>84732242
Snyder is not a writer you illiterate dog.

Stop talking about films. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>84732281
I'm pointing to the fact that in his magnum opus, he had the least involvement.

>>84732108
Neo and Trinity are ultimately good hearted people. There's no way they wouldn't feel weird about killing a bunch of innocent people who are plugged into the Matrix.

>>84732318
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about thinking he writes his films. Shut the fuck and save yourself the complete disgrace you've made of yourself. Be glad 4chan is anonymous.

>>84730539
Shootout from Heat beats everything still

>>84731886
I'd also like to ad that being filmed in Sydney actually kind of ruins the movie for me a bit.

I just can't help but notice it's Sydney when it's meant to be America.

>>84732318
Though the visuals may be shot-by-shot with the comic (this was a thing at the time from Sin City onward as people inhaled the rights to popular graphic novels) the motion adaptation could easily be screwed up.

>>84732363
He never said he writes them.

>>84730863

That line was literally in the movie though except with Neo.

>>84732363
You're completely missing my point. But anyways, here's the list of Snyder's writing involvement in his movies.

Snyder's screenplays:
1. 300
2. Sucker Punch
3. 300: Rise of an Empire

Snyder's stories:
1. Sucker Punch
2. Wonder Woman
3. JL part 1 and 2
4. Last photograph.

>>84732384
1995

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>>84732451
that fucking list. how can one man be so based?
what kind of man are you Snyder? what are you?

>>84732401
I completely agree. But in my opinion, his work is much easier than say, a person who adapts a novel. The comic sets out the aesthetic, the shot and the feel. So, he had to fuck up a lot of things to make the movie different from the comic.

In Watchmen, he showed a minuscule amount of his own vision. Even his "dark tainted filter" is much less apparent in it. Incidentally, most view Watchmen (director's cut) as his best movie.

All I'm saying is that he is a bad director and yet he's extremely pretentious because sometimes his shots are pretty neat.

>>84732551
KEK. Okay, i get it now.

Are you still sad about your daughter, Zack?

>>84732610
>blaming an adult hapa's suicide to their parents

why are fucking millenials always blaming other people besides themselves? what the fuck is wrong with this generation?

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>>84732551
The man is a living legend. I hope he'll make even more kinos to upset the marlel liberals.

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>>84732610
>The comic sets out the aesthetic, the shot and the feel.
If so, then how come Marvel films look like grey TV shows when their comics are colorful and vivid as fuck? If it's so easy, how come Marvel can't do it worth shit?

>>84732693
Marvel is making up their own universe. They're just using their characters in these brand new stories. Watchmen is an adaptation.

>>84732673
>Throws guy against wall
>Guy attacks from behind
>Turns and fights the guy for some amount of time
>Guy against wall doesn't jump him

It's almost as if someone is writing this so Batman wins. I'll be this doesn't happen in the comics.

>>84732693
>how come Marvel films look like grey TV shows

They don't. That one shit did, sure. But honestly, they dont.

>>84732733
Only Guardians has any colour to it, the rest is de-saturated and flat

>>84732719
>Marvel is making up their own universe
Well, in the sense that they take decent comics and then ruin them by making them kids-oriented grey TV shows, sure. Atleast Iron Man 1 looked like a comic book made film. Their newer films are literally CW-tier bad. This despite having a source material handed to them for free.

>>84730539
John Wick bathouse/club scene comes close.

>>84732754
It's good, but I don't know if it's as well crafted and memorable.

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>>84732733
>They don't.
They do. Even Dr Strange which was supposed to be SO IMAGINATIVE looked like a TV show. It's embarrassing as fuck to see Disney rape the source material this much. They don't even put the minimum amount of effort into it to make it look good.

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>>84732673
>>84732626
Snyder is sure grreaat guis.

Am i snyder posting right?

The Matrix and Inception are the only two films in the last ten years that really made me think.

>>84732745
>>84732778

I'll give you Dr Strange. The cinematography in that movie was shit. It also took place largely in a city.

But seriously. Thor, Iron Man, GotG and parts of Avengers are so colourful that people here constantly mocked marvel for it and said they made their films colorful to appeal to manchildren.

So which is it DCucks? You can't have it both ways.

>>84732820
>The Matrix was ten years ago

>>84732859
>Anyone who doesn't think Marvel is anything more than a McDonald's happy meal toy is a DCuck

>>84732752
iron man 1 is the best but the villain is shit. They look like CW because of fuckin RDJ. He's taking like 1/4 of the whole budget of the movie. Otherwise, I totally agree that they look bland and generic af. I feel like neither DC or marvel appreciate their source materials. Both can make pretty fuckin great movies with great stories and yet they keep ignoring them.

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>>84732859
Iron Man, I'll give you. That had actual visual pull. Favreau knew what he was doing. But that was pre-Disney era. Everything after stinks of rushed stories with poor directors at the helm more concerned with deadlines and fan pandering than making something good as film.

Letting TV show directors handle your films was a big mistake. Atleast from a quality point of view. From a business point of view, a stroke of genius by Disney.

>>84732778
Yeah, you would imagine they would put some of those dollars into getting better cameras and cinematographers but nah.

why are people talking about capeshit in a matrix thread

>>84732935
It always gets derailed by Marlel cucks

>>84732778
>>84732859
Tgotg 2 is the best movie of marvel and it was colorful. It was fuckin beautiful.

>>84732935
It started with >>84730773
Marvel fanboys insecure as fuck.

>>84732935
Summer

>>84732943
but capeshit infected the thread because of people defending the work of zack snyder

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>>84730539
>dated music
Fuck you, what would you replace it with? Dubstep or some generic orchestral bs?

Breakbeat will A L W A Y S be the definitive action-scene soundtrack.

>>84732889
His salary has nothing to do with it, not when they're spending many hundreds of millions to earn close to a billion worldwide, not counting toy sales which can exceed that.


And the "shot on video vs. film" thing is a minor issue at best. These films aren't great not because they don't have true blacks or rich colors, but because of clumsy stories poorly executed as narratives.

>>84732976
He's done good things in the past, peoples' gripe is he's lost it in these new films.

>>84732957
They're also uneducated:

Greengrass' work on the Bourne series changed modern action cinema. Everyone apes it because it's cheaper and exaggerates the 'action' on screen

>>84732984
When you can shoot Spring Breakers on $5 and have one of the best looking films of the modern era, there is no excuse as to why your movie looks like absolute shit. Marvel wants all their films to look the same, and that's why.

>>84732983
>what would you replace it with? Dubstep

Precisely.

>>84733003
Zack snyder has not made a single good film.

>>84730539
>Aside from the dated music

Someone explain this to me. How is an adrenaline pumping big beat electronica dated. It compliments the scene.

>>84733084
You're right. He's made two: Watchmen and 300.

>>84733140
The music is perfect.

>>84733149
300 was only good as unintentional comedy and watchmen was only good in the moments where zack snyder accidentally undestood the source material.

>>84733140
Presumably these young punks wish it was some Taylor Swift music or a rap song.


inb4 I can see a scene like this done to Shake it Off

>>84733167

>300 was only good as unintentional comedy

People that can't immerse themselves into movies shouldn't watch movies.

>>84733140
>>84730843
This.

>>84733189
You watched 300 as a child. Zack snyder's ideal audience is "fat 13 year old boy who's ideal outfit has skulls and/or fire on literally every article of clothing.

>>84733189
not him but I'll honestly never know why people liked 300, and I genuinely liked watchmen even watching it right after reading the comic book and considering it was pretty poorly received at the time.

>>84733167
You understand how 4chan works, right? People troll idiotic contrarian positions about good things (or bad things), over and over, to get a rise out of people.

Others see these postings over and over and start to think they are valid opinions rather than troll idiocy.

That's where you're stuck, wheels whirring in mud.

>>84733149
His Dawn of the Dead remake was pretty decent as far as zombie remakes go.

>>84733178
your post is bad and you should feel bad

>>84732778
everything in this shitty board should be marvel vs dc (and C. Kane)?

>>84733214

You can say that every action movie is good as an unintentional comedy, if you're a giggling braindead stoner.

>>84733227
4chan has been post-irony so long that its no longer tenable to think people aren't being completely honest.

Watchmen and 300 are old enough that people who saw them when they were the target demographic (8-13 year olds) have grown into adults with strong connections to the movies and their childhood. Leaving them in a position where they can't criticize the movies without also criticizing their childhoods.

>>84733234
It's stuck in your head now, isn't it? Guns blazing...

But I keep cruising
Can't stop, won't stop moving
It's like I got this music in my mind
Saying it's gonna be alright


Ha ha!

Zack Snyder is making cinema

MCU "directors" are making McDonald's entertainment for the masses

Let's put that discussion to rest and move on.

>>84733259
300 only works as unintentional comedy because of how absurdly hard it tries to be dramatic and serious. Its SVU tier.

>>84730625
the wachowskies (no clue how to spell their name) have never come up with an original concept in any of their movies

>>84733140
>How is an adrenaline pumping big beat electronica dated
It's not. Big beat sounds like it was literally tailored to compliment action scenes. It's ideal and nothing has surpassed it so far.

>>84730660
Everything is a remix, nigger

>>84730746
>I think Matrix was the last big budget original movie we got from hollywood.
are you fucking stupid? Do you not watch any movies?

>>84733324
The best way to disprove an argument is to offer a counter-example. Several is better in a case like this.

>>84733294

It's glorious. 300 brave men fighting millions of fucks and succeeding because they dedicated their entire life for that one moment, and it's loosely based on actual events. If you're a real man with normal levels of testosterone, that shit should not be funny to you.

>>84732242
Watchman was garbage

>>84733344
>only works as unintentional comedy
This guy would have been at home as a teenager in the '60s, playing Beatles albums backwards for evidence that Paul is dead.

Watched all 3 with my gf this week because she'd never seen them. I forgot how shit 2 and 3 are. Holy fuck.

>>84730539

Reminder the car chase in Reloaded has yet to be surpassed as the best car chase of all time and when the reboot comes out with Michael B Jordon you will all be agreeing with me since it'll be the new contrarian thing to defend the sequels that redditors have been decrying since they came out.

>>84733344
Don't bother, nu-males are genetically hardwired to not understand it.

>>84733341
there's literally over 100 of them mate

>>84733390
The music in that is pure kino

>>84733344
I was kinda hoping to avoid comparing it to professional wrestling, but its getting harder and harder every time you post about how "epic" 300 was.

>>84733485
>>84733390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wEicRYGbI
thread theem

after I heard it was filmed in australia, I can't notice but tell how australian the extras seemed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw88MWoqenQ

It's a wicked scene, but I really hate how they made it green when they went to blu ray. It looked better in full color on the DVD. Making the excellent first movie look more like the terrible sequels was a mistake.

>>84733634
it was green in the theaters, the DVD was the fucked up transfer

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>>84732017

Is it even possible to properly understand this series without all the shit from the games and animated show?

>>84733344
That they immediately break their phalanx the moment fighting starts ruins it for me.

>>84732983
Ironic lofi 80s techno

>>84733647
Wrong
They made the Matrix scenes green in the blu ray to match the sequels, look it up.

Mad Max Fury Road was an entire movie with better action

>>84733685
You were too young to see any in theaters. Why are you trying to talk like you know anything?

>>84733659
no, machines are given their own view point in those
films only explain humans vs smith

>>84730539
Only thing that kills it is the edit cuts at the end where Neo does his jumping kick. Still 9/10

>>84733383
One is better as a self contained movie anyway.
The brother/sisters were massive hacks that got lucky on a script.

>Wachowski BROTHERS
Matrix - one of the bet movies ever made

>Watchowski SISTERS
SENSE8 - degenerate shit


I wonder what they meant by this

>>84733700
I'm 43, I saw it twice in the theater.
Got any other stupid shit to say kid?

>Keanu says he'd do the matrix 4 if the Watchowskis were involved
Why does he want to make a bad movie?

>>84733828
what motivates people to lie on 4chan?

>>84730818
This. Reloaded and Revolutions already suffered from this problem.

>>84733856
You're just mad because you're wrong. Get over it.

>>84730618
They're humans who've been living underground for possibly thousands of years, their mythology has melded and twisted with the ages.

>>84733897
>incorrect claim
>that is incorrect
>nou, u mad lol

4chan

>>84730539
Outdated music he says.
that bass line is iconic.

>fantastic action scenes
>philosophical
>symbolism activates your almonds
>quips

Possibly the greatest stoner movie.