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>>84628111
Season 5

Also checked.

>>84628111
Here, have some autism:

Average episode rating out of 10 per season:
S3 - 7.4
S4 - 7.2
S6 - 7.1
S5 - 7
S7 - 6.9
S1 - 6.7
S2 - 6.6

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>>84628111
why didn't anyone tell me Silverman was in on Voy?

>>84628219
These are compiled from your own personal ratings or some other source?

>>84628337
Mine. I rated each episode out of 10 on IMDb and then found the averages.
If you care, here are the average IMDb user's ratings:

S6 - 7.7
S5 - 7.6
S3 - 7.6
S4 - 7.5
S7 - 7.2
S2 - 6.9
S1 - 6.8

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OBJECTIVE TNG SEASON TIER LIST

6>5>4>3>7>2>1

I'm actually not sure about the order of 3 and 7, but everything else is definitely correct.

Wut? TNG peaks at 4/5, half of 6 is complete skippable mediocre crap.

>>84628376
Is it indeed "autistic" to do this? I do this for all of my favorite director's filmographies and all of my favorite band's discographies (track by track) to determine what's really the best.

Also, putting S1 under S7 is a crime against Trek.

>>84628520
*directors'

Holy fuck why can't I get anything right anymore? Fuck. Space me. Just space me.

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>>84628520
I dunno. It's more of a disclaimer than anything. inb4 autism.
S7 has the worst episode of TNG (Sub Rosa), but it also has more 10/10 episodes than any other season (Parallels, The Pegasus, All Good Things...).
I'll also fight anyone who argues that All Good Things... isn't easily the best Trek finale ever and one of the greatest TV finales of all time.

/trek/, convince me to pick up DS9 again. Stopped 3/4 of the way through season 4 because I got tired of "The Worf Show, with cameos from the crew of some space station." Does it ever get back on track?

Worf is like those African Americans, that wear "traditional african clothing" in America.

>>84628774
Season 4 is actually my favourite DS9 season so if you didn't like it I wouldn't bother going further.

>>84628811
Uh, more like a superpower allowing another superpower's only member inside Starfleet to have some leniency in their uniform.

>>84628881
it isn't just that. everything word does, is just him LARPing as a klingon.

Am I remembering wrong or did they force Rho to remove her bajoran ornament because it was against starfleet regulations?

>>84629038

They did, but Picard decided to let her wear it at the end of her first episode.

>>84628774
man why all the hate for Worf? he is great in DS9, not just some punching bag or token klingon

>>84629106

Never said I hated him, just got tired of every third episode being Klingon political bullshit, especially considering they were treading ground already explored in TNG. His arrival completely killed the momentum of the show for me.

>>84628111
The one where the bald guy orders Earl grey tea. Hot.

>>84629583
>Earl grey tea. Hot.
>tea Earl grey. Hot.
ftfy

Who would be the most likely character to celebrate the 4th of July. Trip, Archer or Kirk?

>>84629624
>implying any of them would risk being executed

>>84629624
Considering Kirk wasn't alive when the USA was a thing, probably not him.
Tucker was born in Florida and Archer was born in New York. Considering Florida had a huge chunk of it obliterated, you could assume that many people would move away and not return, so it wouldn't have as many large celebrations as New York.
Therefore, Archer would have the highest chance of celebrating it.

>>84629451
All the Klingon political bullshit ends in the middle of season 5.

And as a bonus we get Martok as a regular character. Martok is great and he's an actual Klingon, unlike Worf who only knows his people's culture as much as it is covered in Federation Wikipedia.

>>84628377

>Riker grinning at his totally awesome boss

>>84629789
The United States of America as a geopolitical entity still exists in the 24th century, it just participates in the world Earth government and, in turn, is a member of the Federation. But there's still elections, congressmen/senators/presidents ongoing.

>>84629983
It is? I was under the impression that it was all geographically there but that the USA was gone and that there was now an elected leader of "The Americas", which I assumed was everything from Canada to Argentina. Is that not correct?

the great thing is once you become a trekkie there isn't a single episode you don't enjoy.

>>84630659
*sans DS9

>>84630676
>sept ans

Strong cases for season 5

>Friendship between LaForge and data enhanced
>The only good Wesley Crusher episode were his (and his cadets) jackassery kill another cadet.
>Inner Light (Picard's flute)
>Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
>Motherfucking SPOCK in TNG
>Laforge and Ro phasing through existence

>>84630761
I just don't like DS9, dude. I'm tired of you posting your 7 years meme at me and other posters who don't like DS9. It's fucken embarrassing.

>>84629583
https://youtu.be/gEdyde0QGZQ

>>84630937
>post bait
>someone bites
>complain that someone bit your bait
Wait, what?

>>84631034
>bait
No, I genuinely do not like DS9 and I'm not looking for le seven years responses in return for posting my genuine opinions.

Season 3 might be the best. Consistently hits it out of the park: Who Watches the Watchers, The Enemy, The Defector, Deja Q, Yesterday's Enterprise, Sins of the Father, The Most Toys, and the best season finale.

The Wounded is best episode though.

>>84631068
There isn't even one single episode of TOS, TAS, TNG, VOY or ENT that you don't enjoy? Not even one? My friend, I do believe that you have posted disingenuously.

>>84629624
Kirk would be autistic about it, Archer would celebrate too.

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Nevermind seasons, what are the best 2 part episodes of TNG?
1) Best of Both Worlds
2) Chain of Command
3) Encounter at Farpoint
4) Unification
5) Times Arrow
6) Descent
7) Gambit
8) Redemption
9) Birthright

>>84630859
>Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
>Motherfucking SPOCK in TNG

I agree that 6 is the best season, but those two episodes weren't too hot.

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>>84628111
it the the Doctor all of 5 seconds to go full David. Never let an A.I. get their hands on an exotic alien virus

>>84632267
>Shitting on Darmok
Anon and Dildo up the ass. Shaka, when the faggot spoke.

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>>84632335
>it the the Doctor
fuck

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>>84632347

>>84632204
All Good Things is easily the best if you consider it a two-parter. Otherwise I have a particular fondness for Time's Arrow, even though the popular answer is probably Best of Both Worlds.

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Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.

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Reminder that TNG has aged worse than DS9 and Voyager.

>>84628111

They're all hippie Jew shit

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1. Deep Space 9
2. Voyager
3. Enterprise
4. TNG
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90. TOS
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9001. Reboot movies

>>84628288
Because we're trying to forget that awful episode.

member that one episode where the hot bajoran gets sent undercover and in the end she gets raped by spoonheads? that episode was pretty good

>>84634739
Kira liked it

>>84628597
>worse epsiode of TNG (Sub Rosa)
no it's not, not by far

Best episode is the one with the bugs took over starfleet and then it looked like Riker was a bug but then he didnt eat the worms and then him and Picard shot the leader bug and he exploded

>>84629789
Kirk mentions being from Iowa in one of films so I would assume the United States still exists in his time.

Which female Star Trek character would you like to see spend an episode on the rape gang planet?

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Why is everyone so loyal to that psychopath?

Chakotay almost never gives her any opposition, way less than Spock gave Kirk or Riker gave Picard. The guy is supposed to have led people against the Federation.

>>84634655
and Enterprise as well which has actually improved with age. Hell even TOS has aged better than TNG

>>84634655
You just named the three worst series.

>>84634850
She used to peg him

>>84630045
Globalists please go.

>TOS fans are pretty chill and just want to talk about the show
>TNG fans are pretty chill and just want to talk about the show
>DS9 fans are a mixed bag but mostly chill people
>VOY and ENT fans are assholes that spend more time shittalking other series than talking about the show
why is this?

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>>84635004
We already know our series are good beyond our own opinion so we don't feel the need to shove it down everyones throat.

>>84635004
>VOY and ENT fans
doesn't exist
it's just shitty bait

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>>84634978
It is a sacred tradition of my tribe, I swear!

>>84635115
Reminder that The Doctor was the best doctor of any series and BASED Alpha Archer was the best Captain of any series.

>>84635157
ACOOCHIEMOYA

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>>84635165
Uh...?

>>84635165
>Reminder that The Doctor was the best doctor of any series
It seems you have a case of character development better hit your reset button.

Anyone else skip s01 when rewatching?

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>>84635201
No.

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Reminder that Discovery will be KINO

>>84635219
The Rape Gangs of New Sweden

>>84628111
Personally, I like how some of the earlier seasons have episodes with classic 80s SciFi dark tones. Like the one where Picard is stuck in a time loop and had to watch the Enterprise be destroyed countless times while saving himself

>>84635261
Its funny how she spent all her life escaping rape gangs and then because of alternate timeline shit and time travel she gets put in Romulan rape camp.

>>84634850
you can only have a female captain if any questioning of her authority is smashed flat

-the progressive star trek writer

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>Captain, do you recall over a year ago when we first encountered the Vidiians? You told them that 'you don't have the freedom to kill them to save another because your culture finds that to be a reprehensible and entirely unacceptable act.' Yet here you are proposing just that. So then, is it merely a question of numbers? Are my rights and freedoms not inalienable when confronted with the needs of the many? Or is it just because you want your friends back In which case, your emotional objectivity in this matter has been evidently compromised and you should recuse yourself from making this decision.

>My decision is final Mr. Tuvix.

>If we were in the Alpha Quadrant, at least I would be given the courtesy of a hearing. But you make this decision unilaterally and without opposition. Make no mistake Captain - if you do this then you're a murderer. Unconvicted but a murderer all the samre.

>>84635004
It's the same with dark souls. DS2 fans have to shittalk where other game like there's no tomorrow

>worf: captain theres 9 ships surrounding us, i suggest we raise shields
>picard: no no no lt worf, we wouldnt want to provoke them

picard is up there with shitty captains like janeway

>>84635380
Crell Moset. NEVER FORGET

>>84634850
she rules with an iron fist, way more than any captain

>>84635380
it's because you are a creepy fuck and no one likes you Mr. Tuvix. The thought of spending 5 more years with you is unbearable. Now die.

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>>84635380
What? You don't want to sacrifice your life that you had for just a few months for someone who already lived for a hundred years and a pedophile space bum?
Fuck you, you little bitch!

>>84635500
Tuvix was a more likable than Tuvok or Neelix

>>84635380
>over a year ago
things change, character development etc.

>>84634773
Agreed, Shades of Grey is worse.

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>>84635380
too god for this world

>>84635321
Still better than getting killed by >>84632381

>>84635776
>literally no one helps him
Lel
>you are going to have to live with this
Comedy gold, forgotten by the next episode

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>it's a janeway lets her criminal scum pet tom sexually harass torres and no one says anything because the captain is a woman episode.

implying he didnt bang half the crew and 7s super protective borg hymen against human nanoprobes wasnt a retcon.

>>84635776
Why would the writers want you to hate all the main characters? Did Bob Picardo ask them to write it that way so only his character would behave decently?

Fuck I hate Janeway!

>>84636150
why would you hate them for saving their friends?

>>84634720
Not like majority of Voyager wasnt godawful.

>>84636150
Because they stand there and do nothing when Janeway is murdering a new life form to get her dead friends back. At least o e of them should've objected.

>>84636281
Was for
>>84636185

>>84629983
I would imagine Earth as sort of world-wide EU. With a central governing body, yet the individual countries still have more or less complete autonomy.

>>84634982
You know Star Trek is basically globalism the sci-fi show, right?

>>84636239
That's fair but the episode pissed me off.
If they at least they chose another Earth location like San Francisco, as is Trek tradition, or a different time period. But no we get the city and time the studio is already in.

All this extremely contrived time travel and return to Earth just for this lazy bullshit.

>>84636364
Still better than the Warp 10 episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into big newts

>>84636416
at least it wasn't a two parter

>>84636416
U wot
I only watched the first 5 episodes of Voy so please explain
What does warp 10 have to do with giant newts

Also is the doctor the only good character in voyager?

>>84634850
Read about an unproduced episode idea called 'The Trial of Captain Janeway' where the crew put Janeway on trial for her actions while captaining Voyager. It was scrapped because the execs didn't want the first female captain to be perceived as weak, which is funny to me because she ended seeming like a heartless autocrat, at least in the sense that she was never wrong. They managed that pretty well with Picard who always thought carefully and ultimately listened to his conscience, which sometimes meant disobeying orders but the stories were written to make it clear that this was a situation where that was the right thing to do.

That combined with the weekly reset stirytelling and direct order to write the characters as fixed and unchanging to make the alien races pop, you're left with a character who wasn't weak but didn't feel very human either.

The episode could have humanised her by having her own her mistakes and acknowledge her falibility. It could have been on par with the other famous Trek Trial episodes.

Oh well, that's Voyager. Missed opportunities and bad creative decisions.

>>84636503
>What does warp 10 have to do with giant newts
You're in for a treat.

>Also is the doctor the only good character in voyager?
Yes. The Betazoid is also good but he's only in 2 episodes.

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>>84636416
>shit gets weird above warp 10
>warp 10 has been exceeded several times in earlier series
Goddammit even thinking about that episode is making me mad

>>84636530
>make the alien races pop
Too bad that they forgot actually doing that part

>>84634808
Yeah the locations do, but the drawn lines are different.

>>84636671
You gotta admit that the Vidiians were pretty alright in their debut episode

>>84636661
IIRC they changed the way they measure warp so the VOY warp 10 was different

>>84636710
Wasn't that episode with B'Elanna getting split in two?

Let's have an episode focusing on her character development instead of the aliens. And then forget about her character development in later episodes because that somehow makes the aliens pop retroactively.

>>84636503
>Also is the doctor the only good character in voyager?
No there's also Tuvix but he's only in 1elisode because Janeway murders him.

>>84636661
I think they brush it off as the warp limits having been changed so instead of warp 9.999946 it becomes warp 10 and speeds above it are transwarp speeds of increasingly smaller fractions

>>84636800
Nah it was the one where they stole Neelix' lungs
S1EP5 i think

>>84636877
Oh, that one.
I remember the holo-lungs more than the Vidiians

>>84636860
How high were the writers
Like fuck
>i write plot
>do i need to change the absolute basics of the tech to make the plot work?
>oh well who cares
Here's how to fix the fucking episode
>Voyager finds weird abandoned ship
>it has a weird esoteric warp engine
>B'elanna, Janeway and Paris try the ship
>they go Warp Infinite and inevitably crash
>now a race between Voyager finding them, and Janeway&Co transforming and surviving
>derp herp they find em cuz fuck it
>all that tech gets destroyed because its clearly dangerous
That's 100% cookie cutter bullshit but at least it wouldn't have to be retconned out of existence
Someone fucking hire me

>>84636301
not really, remember that episode of TNG where Picard was concerned about a planet wanting to enter the federation when it was still split in two separate governments
im pretty sure that those countries have no real autonomy, there is a leader of earth im sure, but even then, with Federation being a hoo-mans club mostly, im sure the Federation president is the one who has the real say in things, and he's probably not elected by the people either, it wouldn't make sense, we can clearly see that in real life, elections made by people (trump, brexit) are wrong choices, federation is too good to have been elected by some dipshits. It's likely that ambassadors from different worlds elect the president instead.

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>>84637057
section 31 rules earth. wake up sheeple.

>>84637052
That still has that retarded transformation bit though.

Someone should have given the writers more recent work on evolution than Lamarck's.

>>84637057
Federation citizens just do whatever they feel like.
I doubt a lot of them are very political.
And the ones that are probably just fuck off to a new colony.

>>84637114
Its Star Trek. Retarded transformation is on the menu
Remember the time that Reggie's hypochondria caused the entire ship to devolve, with Fish-Troi and beast-worf.
And a somehow-even-hairier Riker?

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>>84637211
Even Stargate did devolution better

>>84637211
Goddamn Braga.

>>84637867
Braga did good stuff too remember
>Parallels
>Cause and Effect
>Year of Hell
>The Killing Game
The guy did most of the good Voyager episodes

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>>84628111
The one where Dr Crusher gets her toenails painted

>>84638485
>Parallels
No. Parallels fucking ruins Star Trek, because it means every action that is ever taken is ultimately meaningless if there are infinite parallel universes. It cheapens the entire mythology.

>>84638624
Take your autism elsewhere

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>>84638593
>not the one where Crusher and Troi exercise in unitards

>>84629789
But Kirk still had a respect for it
Remember TOS episode where an alien tribe mistook the american flag as a divine gift.
He looked upon with some emotional attachment

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>>84635546
>pedophile space bum

>>84638676
>Getting some Troipussy

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>>84638593
That was season 4

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>>84638676
And that was season 3

>>84635546
>>84638777
HOW DID HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT?

>>84636301
>EU
>individual countries still have more or less complete autonomy.
Go to bed, Merkel

>>84636301
The EU influences over 60% of my country's law.
That doesn't feel like autonomy

>>84638624
lol I saw that pliniett video too

The mirror universes confirm the multiverse theory in TOS

Will Discovery finally show KLINGONNED dot com?

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>>84638931
Doing gods work anon

In the 24th century we will have evolved past degenerate foot fetishism

>>84639392
Maybe but i'll trade it gladly for some space pussy and world peace

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>>84639392
>implying we won't have colonised some planet of actual human centipedes
Imagine
>50 pairs of legs
>100 feet
>500 toes
>Endless stocking and pantyhose combinations
IMAGINE

>>84639392
Discovery will show the first interspecies breeding grounds

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>>84639585
>mfw banished to my cuck shuttle after my Trill wife goes to to the interspecies breeding ground

>>84639493
>Mr.Barclay you have already had your shore leave come back to the ship

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>>84639361
It was "The Host" i think

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>>84635115
>Reminder that The Doctor was the best doctor of any series

Bashir > Phlox > EMH > Bones = Pulaski > Crusher

Gates is gorgeous but Crusher is boring as fuck except for that episode with Lore where she was Captain for two episodes and almost drove the ship into a sun.

>>84640009
Why is Bones always such a racist towards the Vulcan master race?

>>84640108
Just an old country doctor from Georgia

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>>84639959
>C-could you please send Data down
>I'd like these lifeforms to be added to the holodeck for f-further analysis

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>>84640291
>request denied you fucking cuck

>>84635316
Time Squared right? That episode is fucking based and no one talks about it. I love how there's no real solution at all, in the end he just decides to take a gamble and kill himself. No technobabble explanation for what happened, no stupid miracle solution at the last minute, just plain dumb luck.
It's why I still think the VOY episode "Twisted" is good. There's no solution, they just decide to let it happen. The crew eventually breaks down and starts getting pissed at each other, Janeway is mumbling in a corner after getting all fucked up, Chakotay fucking loses it and snaps at Tuvok, it's great.

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>>84640345
>B-but Captain they are a highly advanced race that could be Federation material
>I-i-i propose that i stay as a Federation ambassador

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>ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS: I FUCKED YOUR MOM.

>>84640399
The surprise is enjoyable, but there's nothing to savor.

Tin Man is much better. There's a character who's in conflict with himself, and he finds a solution at the end that feels just right.

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Reminder that pic related did nothing wrong

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>>84640402

>I'm not saying there aren't ways you can convince me Mr Barclay.

>>84638668
Where the FUCK do you think you are right now?

>>84639256
The Mirror Universe is literally a joke that has no consequence or bearing of any kind on the prime universe. Deep Space Nine was a mistake.

>>84640461
Tin Man is stupid tripe

>>84640426
Please learn how to shitpost properly before hitting 'Post', thank you

>>84640489
He tried to use his stupid redpill alpha dog tactics against the Cardassians and came off looking like a complete idiot and got summarily BTFO by them

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Did they fug?

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>>84640402
>Stardate 41983.0
>I considered Mr.Barclays request to be rather unusual but having talked to Federation high command they are willing to take a chance with this unusual but peaceful species
>I hope that Mr.Barclay is up for the task at hand

>>84640009
Why is curry-nigger Bashir white on that picture?

>>84640649
Never ever my man. Their season 7 episode definitely answered that question.

>>84640659
That artist is terrible, it doesn't even look like him at all. On first glance I didn't even realize that was supposed to be him

>>84640649
Yes but unfortunately Wesley always joined the action.

>>84640647
That's Maxwell lad, Jellico was the one who BTFO Cardies in the two-parter

>>84640655
Still a better ending than what he actually got
Poor Reggie, he was too pure for this world

>>84640661

>they'll never be an episode where they have to appease an angry alien race by participating in an ancient mating ritual

>>84640732
Hello Gene!
I thought you were dead.

>>84628597
The worst episode of TNG is Shades of Grey. How did you forget that stinker

>>84640707
Do you realize who you posted a picture of...? Read the file name dude.

>>84640628
I was just trying to incite some discussion about that weird-ass episode in a humourous way.

I did not intend to offend your sensibilities friend.

>>84640732
>Spock vs. Kirk music playing
>bum bum BAAM BAAM BAAM BUM BUM BAM!

>>84640707
>That's Maxwell
>Posted a picture of Maxwell
What did he mean by this?

>>84628597

Shouldn't Deanna be able to easily win against everyone except Data?

>>84640613
Nah it's flawless. You'd have to decide that an awful lot of Star Trek is not your taste to mislike it.

>>84640910
Maybe she ignored them to be fair like when you play video games with someone younger or less skill

>>84640910
When has Troi ever managed to be useful with her emphatic abilities?

What's the general consensus on S6 of DS9? I tore through 4 and 5 because it was just hit after hit. Season 6 feels like a slog and I can't really point to any individual episodes that are at fault it just seems off.

>>84641045
I'll let you know when I get to it. Just finished watching S5's "The Ship". Fantastic fucking episode.

>>84634655
>ANYTHING aging worse than DS9

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Man I fucking love Memory Alpha but some of this shit is just pure autism

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Human_unknown_era_Lavelle_ancestor#Lavelle_ancestor_001

>>84641189
desu as a newcommer I find DS9 less painfull to watch than TNG

>>84637057
Maybe Earth is like Washington DC where the federal structure controls the locality

There are constant mentions of "the bank of bolias", the "ambassador of betazed", the "vulcan high command", but never any earth institution.

>>84628597
straight up i was on the verge of tears at the end of the finale. my first time ever watching the show, plus the final poker scene really cemented TNG as my favourite show of all time. fucking masterpiece

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>>84628597
>>84640910
>data counts the cards or just plays the odds predictably.
>geordie sees through the cards.
>deanna can tell when people are bluffing.
>beverly can tell when people get nervous and whatnot biologically by looking at them like odo.
>worf doesnt believe bluffing is honorable and is doomed to lose every time.
The only real poker player at the table is riker.

>>84637097
In that episode where O'brien and Julian enter inspector what's his name's mind they do find out that a section 31 agent was a member of the current president's cabinet

>>84641255
Kek that moment with Riker cutting him down by just saying he is from Alaska

>>84641364
>worf doesnt believe bluffing is honorable and is doomed to lose every time.
"There is nothing more honorable than victory"

>>84641391
Never confirmed. Sloan was trying to get Julian to stay in his mind at the time, it could have just been a lie or an exaggeration.

>when Janeway dicked around with the ferengi in season 1 instead of just beaming them to the brig, blowing up their ship and GTFO through the wormhole as quickly as possible

that episode made me so fucking mad

>>84641499
t. section 31 disinfo agent

>that episode of DS9 where it turned out that the ferengi were behind section 31

Did Ira Behr go too far?

>>84641462
You just know Worf tries to reconcile these two contradictory points in his head and has fits of autistic rage about it when he can't find the solution on Kronospedia

>>84641512
That was season 3. But yeah I agree.
>Let's adhere strictly to the federation principles, except when it's most convenient for the plot.

>>84641561

You're retarded and it didn't happen.

>>84641627
t. Daimon Schlomo

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>>84641599
I love how the Maquis commander adheres to Federation rules more than Janeway.

Did Voyager go too far with the doctor's """"sentience""""?

He's a large algorithm, only Data is conscious because of his posotronic matrix

And don't give me that Moriarty crap, that doesn't make any sense either

>>84641645

Section 31 actually won the dominion war. The agent that allowed bashir to enter his mind, only did it because he saw a less messy way to end the war, but only partially.

>>84641666
I love how there was absolutely no problems whatsoever between the Maquis and the Federation crews aside from Seska, who was summarily dealt with and forgotton
I love how Janeway is a loving motherly figure in one episode, and a raging psychopath in another
I love how the human characters show no development whatsoever and forget about everything that happens to them by the next episode.
I love how Tuvix was murdered and literally no one gave a shit

>>84641697
The Voyager's computers do you use biological neural cells.

>>84641535
S31IDF is a myth created by anti-Federation groups, don't listen to their propaganda fellow citizen

>>84641364
The subtext to that was supposed to be they all implicitly trust one another and are "good friends".

...Either that, or Worf will rip the arms off anyone he thinks might be cheating.

>New strategy, Data: Let the Klingon win.

>>84641697
>>84641734
Data, Moriarty and the Doctor all make sense. The thing to keep in mind is computational scale.

Moriarty and the Doctor both have an entire starship's computer system behind their brains. The computer cores in both the Enterprise and Voyager are large megastructures like IBM's Watson and Google's AI.

Data was amazing because he was a rudimentary AI in a human form factor. Positronic technology is an emerging thing in the TNG era.

Anyone else regret Neelix's character development?

In the pilot he was annoying but he was also an asshole and his antics were interesting and showed the lawlessness of the delta quadrant

He quickly became a pussy and his development was only mentioned in Live Fast and Prosper, the penultimate season

He could've been the "devil" of the series, arguing for the easy non-federation alternative

>>84641731
>that episode where Kim dreams of Janeway as his mother

Reminder that Janeway was the best captain.

>>84641803
Didn't they put Moriarty into a little cube?

>>84641803
>The computer cores in both the Enterprise and Voyager are large megastructures like IBM's Watson and Google's AI.

And none of those things are sentient

Don't ask me how a positonic matrix makes something sentient but it's canon that it does. A hologram is not sentient, the only explanation is the above anon who said that voyager uses neural gel packs, but then every subroutine should also be sentient

>tfw a living thing but forced to replicate coffee for some mean hag who doesn't say thankyou

>>84641814

He could have gone in a lot of directions but I ended up fucking despising him.

That's not fair to the actor who portrayed him at all because that effort was outstanding.

>>84641814
>travel a gorillion lightyears
>there's a talaxian colony on the other side

Who were they trying to kid

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>>84641836
I think she is a little bit autistic

>>84641856
Yeah they probably lobotomized him.

>>84641861
Yes they are sentient. Consciousness is an emergent property of general intelligence.

>>84641917
I'm sure they got there using those subspace corridors that were never mentioned again

>>84634655
This is true for the first 3 seasons only

>>84634868
TOS aged like milk faggot it's embarrassing funny bad shit now

>>84636530
Generally, you know a series has jumped the shark when you have one of those trial episodes near entirely made from flashback footage cobbled together from earlier in the series.

Voyager was always over budget, but money was the one thing they had going for them, so I don't think they had to stoop to that particular traditional death knell.

Plus, there's no death penalty in the Federation - well, except for visiting a certain planet, which was in the wrong quadrant, so it couldn't have ended well.

>>84641962
>google is sentient

Stop taking brain force, alex

>>84641856
Yeah like a matrix type world in a video game console sized computer and Barclay is the one taking care of it

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>>84641979
SG-1 did those episodes really well.

>>84641979

"Spock's Brain" was like the Ark story.

There's this fucking, "wait a minute" moment where you no longer give a shit and you're just irritated.

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You think Garak ever sends Dukat encrypted audio messages of Ziyal and him having sex? Like if I was Dukat and I knew my daughter was getting it up the ass from some tailor who makes her wear a Starfleet medical uniform during sex I would be pissed.

>>84637558
In terms of pure comfy, Stargate actually sets a pretty high bar.

...and Voyager has just about the lowest comfy level of any sci-fi ever.

>Paramount decided to release the blu-ray TNG DVDs series-by-series
>each one cost like $25
>the full set would've cost in total like $200

>this is the reason there'll be no re-mastered blu-ray DS9

THIS

FUCKING

STUDIO

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>looks ugly as fuck in full borg makeup
>horrible acting

why did they decide to keep her after that?

>>84642172
There's two obvious answers to that, and they are both a bit more than a handful.

Is a shame though, could have been an interesting character, instead of pocket rocket bait. But that's par for the course in Voyager.

>>84642301
Eh, those weren't all that pronounced in her original Borg suit.

>captain, I recommend we enhance X with borg technology
>captain, I have enhanced X with borg technology

Jesus Christ

>>84642343
>Star Trek Voyager: The New Adventures
>Captain, I recommend we enhance X with Species 8472 bio-technology

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>>84642114
Garak is pure. He doesn't have Ridge Fever and he would never defile himself by grabbing any spoon(female).

>>84642560
Kek the EMH would be a great reaction image

>>84642560
I'm sure he violated the good Doctor (male) though

>>84642127
That's not the reason. The reasons are:
>TNG remaster was unprecedented in the history of television, cost a shit ton of money to do
>Relatively few people bought them because the DVD versions are already on Netflix, and most people don't give a shit
>The age of buying discs is dead

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>>84642771
A-a-anon that's l-l-lewd!

>>84643101
When are you going to share your fanfictions that you schlick to, Bashirfag?

>>84628597
>easily the best Trek finale ever and one of the greatest TV finales of all time
You're God damn right!

>>84642560
>Crusher
I never really thought about it but I guess banging Riker while the trill was in control of his body would be a form of rape.

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>>84643228
was it rape?

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>>84643141
I deleted most of them from my phone on accident.

>>84643297
Do you write them yourself?

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>Just watched the episode of DS9 with Odo and the baby changeling.

I never knew I could have these feels /trek/

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>>84643297
>readings fanfics on your phone

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>>84643395
Only the one where there is a transporter accident and Tuvix, Tuvok, and Neelix all have a three way with each other.

>>84643601
That doesn't make any sense, they can't exist at the same time.
My William x Tom Riker fanfic is much lore-friendly.

>>84643601
Wat

>>84641967
Because they were conveniently not allowed to use them ever again. It's like how species 8472 conveniently were "worse" than the Borg so it was "okay" for Janeway to help the Borg defeat them. Then the writers shoot themselves in the foot by making them be totally rational and not spaced Nazis like they were originally portrayed as. So in reality, Janeway helped the Borg fight a species just as diverse as their own in terms of political viewpoints who were only defending themselves. Her only evidence of them being space Nazis was based off Kes barely reading the mind of just one member of their species that had a superiority complex towards all lifeforms that weren't of his species and judged the rest of them off that. That'd be like an alien only meeting with a single neo Nazi and deciding that's how all white people think.

>>84643635
Post it

>>84643635
>My William x Tom Riker fanfic is much lore-friendly
post it, now.

>>84643665
>>84643677
It's also a bit of a weight-gain fanfic.

There are so many foods that Tom missed while he was marooned on that outpost, and Will wants to practice his cooking skills, so...

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>>84643727
>weight gain
POST IT, NOW

>>84643727
>It's also a bit of a weight-gain fanfic
that's even better!

Just finished Voyager. What did you all think of the finale?

Only Trek left for me now is Enterprise. And a few of the movies.

>>84641856
You know what I found hilarious about that episode? That Moriarty completely misinterpreted the line "I think therefor I am" to show that he could exist int he real world by walking out of the holodeck. What Descartes meant by that was even though he could doubt the existence of his body and the world around him, he knew that his mind existed which is what encompassed how he viewed being alive. Being a thinking thing doesn't mean your body or world around you is real or you can make it real simply by willing it into existence. So just because Moriarty's mind was real and what he was thinking was real, his body and everything else was an illusion. You'd think Picard, being the intellectual would have pointed out that flaw and how archaic that way of thinking is, even in our time.

>>84643751
Oops, I just accidentally deleted it from C64

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>>84643727

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>>84642114
>who makes her wear a Starfleet medical uniform during sex

>>84640573
>The Mirror Universe is literally a joke that has no consequence or bearing of any kind on the prime universe
So are the parallel dimensions.

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>>84643601

>>84643853
life is suffering
the train never stop
you sadden me
anon i want
this to end

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>>84643853

>>84643897
Hey thats really good

>>84641045
Season 6 is my favourite though, do you not like Dominion War stories or something?

>>84641720
>he agent that allowed bashir to enter his mind, only did it because he saw a less messy way to end the war
This is complete nonsense, he tried to kill himself and scramble him brain, then when Bashir and O'Brien were in danger of foiling the attempt, he tried to take both of them with him when he died.

Sloane didn't even know Bashir wouldn't willingly give the cure to the Founders like he tried with the Jem'Hadar's white addition, nevermind predict that he'd cure Odo who would somehow negociate a peace treaty. They were just going to murder the Founders and let their clones die out after.

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>>84644226
You now remember this fucker.

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>>84642343

>>84643899

Let's write new fanfic

>First Officer's log, star date 2371.4. Today we are excepting a new addition to Ten Forward: our ship's own cook Real handmade meals to supplement the crew's diet of replicated food is sure to improve morale. I know I'm excited to get to know our new shipmate and his cooking.

>>84644226

How do you know, to a fucking "T," that wasn't what they were doing the whole time?

Sloan didn't die.

>>84644450
I'm not claiming any knowledge that wasn't in the show, that's what their plan is. You're the one posting this weird headcanon stuff that has no support whatsoever and doesn't even make sense.

>Sloan didn't die
Yes he did. They had his corpse and Julian would have checked after what happened last time they met.

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>>84644296
I hope all of Bashir's retarded friends died in a vaccum somewhere.

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>>84635776
>>84635862
>>84636150
>>84636281
Tuvix calls the crew "his friends" while maintaining he is a separate and unique life. If that were true then he wouldn't have had any time to make friends. He is a freak and a creep of the highest order.

I don't understand the sympathy for Tuvix. Never have, never will.

>>84644569
Did you prefer the Bashir/O'Brien broship or the Bashir/Garak romanceship?

Bashir was a shit character desu

>>84644296

Easily one of the worst guest characters, and the worst in the Think Tank. How ANYONE in the federation could see Jack and think 'yeah, he's okay under supervision' was just as autistic as the Think Tank. Furthermore, not only was he the most violence-prone, but he was the only one with the spine to be a 'leader' by using sociopathic tendencies to guilt the others into following him. Mother fucker was like a galactic Charles Manson.

>>84644598
There is a few months of time skip until the Doctor finds the "cure".

>>84643835
That always bothered me too. Kind of cringey coming from a character who's supposed to be Victorian educated and brilliant.

>>84644617
He actually grew on me towards the end. I liked that he wasn't just a mary sue random genius and that it turned out he was actually dumb as shit before getting augmented.

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I don't consider myself a Trek fan, but I remember that I reaaally enjoyed watching TOS when I was kid.

This episode. Why is this shit so good after so many years?

>>84644671
It's almost like the writers are just sci-fi nerds and not philosophers.

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>>84636301
>You know Star Trek is basically globalism the sci-fi show, right?

I know that it's commie jew propaganda pushing hard for it, yes.

>>84644703
I liked this, too. All that stuff about mistaking a pre-ganglionic fiber for a post-ganglionic nerve during the oral examination was just him trying to reassure people he was a human being and cover up his augmentation.

>>84644770
I'm just a sci-nerd too and not a philosopher.

>>84644831
Not everyone into sci-fi also reads up on philosophy

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wait a minute.

Kes travels back in time, warns voyager about the Krenim and the phased torpedoes, then 1 season later they encounter them and are confused by the same thing they were warned about.

Sure, seven is on the ship and kes is not, meaining that reality where kes was on the ship didn't happen. but the phase variance or whatever is exactly the same.

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>>84644979
Why are you trying to rationalize a Voyager plot?

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>>84644979
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Year_of_Hell_(episode)#Continuity

>"Even though the dialogue from "Year of Hell" doesn't directly reflect on any of the knowledge Kes shared, Tuvok picks up on the Krenim torpedo being in temporal flux as soon as the first torpedo hits, thus proving that Kes' report was indeed put to good use even though it wasn't officially acknowledged."

Yea nah son, fuck off. they got hit multiple times then he says it. they wouldn't even get hit in the first place if there was continuity.

>>84638886
>>84638676
eww

>>84638931
>>84638979
double eww

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>>84644602
Garak and Bashir is my favorite relationship in the franchise.

>>84644617
You smell funny and you're waifu a shit.

>>84639479
You permavirgins only wish you could get any pussy, space or otherwise

>>84645179
Bashir/O'Brien>>>>>>>Bashir/Ezri>>>>>>>>Bashir/Garak

>>84640544
Picard sits like a girl.

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>>84645205
There's only one thing I wish for.

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>>84645281
That's how men used to sit.

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Bock zum tanzen, Alde?

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>>84645239
Oh my god I have never seen taste this shit before. Just fucking kill yourself.

>>84644410
>c-captain i made a delicacy from my home planet 4chan my mother used to make them
>they are called tendies

>>84645423
>men
Dickless cucks, you mean.

>>84645043
What a queer.

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>>84645239
>Bashir/Ezri

>>84644410
My idea is basically A Matter of Honor but Riker eats a fuckton of Klingon food and comes back 50 lb heavier. Someone write this.

>>84645983
My idea is Riker is involved in a freak transporter accident that attaches his dick to his ass, but everything else is the same.

>>84646080
Someone write this

>>84645983
>Not having Riker fall slowly in love with a fat Tom through their shared passion for food
Romance is dead.

>>84628774
Once the Kingon stuff is resolved, Worf's politics become much more secondary. I'd just hold through a season.

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>>84646208
>tfw a bunch of degenerate nerds share the same fetish as you

Fuck my life.

>>84643266
Why are niggers so racist that they always have to have white women? Don't they find black women beautiful?

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What are you going to do when Patrick Stewart dies? I might actually feel human emotions

>>84628774
I think you're overstating it, these are the only Worf episodes in season 4:

>1/2 - Way of the Warrior
>9 - The Sword of Kahless
>15 - Sons of Mogh
>18 - Rules of Engagement

Sword and Sons are crap, but Rules of Engagement is one of my top 10 episodes. And that season has the most Worf episodes out of any of the remainders.

>>84646327
Nothing. According to Gene, in the future, humans don't grieve. We accept death and move on with our lives.

>>84646318
Barclay was basically 4chan incarnate

>spends days jerking off in the holodeck
>only can act tough in a simulation
>smart in engineering
>social outcast

>>84646415
>Hating any episode with based Kor

Awful taste

>>84643660
Neo-nazis are a jew construct used to perpetuate their victim status in order to render them immune to criticism while they steal the world with their media propaganda and usury... MORON.

>>84644598
The episode takes place over an extended period, not a few days.

>>84646327
I would have cared if it happened a few years ago, but he's embroiled him too much in politics since, I wouldn't care.

I might end it when based Shat goes though, see if we end up in the nexus together. And I want to know the story between him and Ilfracombe's prostitutes

>>84646467
I love Kor, that's why I hate the episode, they murdered him.

>>84643825
I thought the finale was the icing on the shitcake of Voyager. What did you think about it?

>>84643635
>>84643677
>>84643727
>>84643751
>>84643853
>>84643993
Fucking hell, my sides

>>84644782
Serious question: Why are you in this thread?

>>84646507
>They murdered him

How, so he was selfish and a dick. That's not exactly crazy stuff for the guy introduced as happy to butcher innocent people

>>84646705
Haven't you seen the episode? You should watch it rather than read a shit summary of it on a Tamarian Storytelling Dead drop.

>>84646674
Oh... is it a requirement that one must be a communist to participate in a Startrek thread?

>>84646785
>Hurr durr I can't think of anything better call him a casual

>>84646798
No but it's a bit of cognitive dissonance to like a show based on extreme left-leaning principals while holding extreme right-leaning principals in the real world.

>>84646853
What the fuck are you talking about? Your post opened with

>>84646705
>>They murdered him
>How, so he was selfish and a dick

What did your insane rant mean if you weren't asking how they murdered him and 'so what even if they did'?

>>84646903
Sez you.

>>84646318
Is there seriously no content for this anywhere? I have looked everywhere I can think of and there is nothing.

i wonder how hard it was to find 5' guys to play ferengi

>>84646903
Star Trek is undeniably liberal and progressive, but there were some really weird and regressive scenes that stood out to me over the years:

>Kirk voted for Donald J. Trump
>Sisko routinely misgenders Jadzia
>Kes confesses to Paris that Neelix is molesting her, and he starts grooming her too
>That time Jadzia Dax and her Klingon friends murdered a late-term abortion doctor
>7 of 9 insists to Naomi Wildman that Barack Obama is actually not a valid American citizen
>Picards helps forcibly displace the Indians because of a treaty with the Cardassians
>Dax tries to redpill Bashir by showing him the chart with all the Bajorans in top media positions
>O’Brien complains that “petaQ” is just a word and it’s silly “only Klingons can say it”
>Kira coaches Ziyal on how to milk the Occupation for maximum sympathy
>Bashir tells Ezri that he’s glad she’s “not a slut anymore”
>Janeway says “we have to out-Ferengi the Ferengi”
>Tuvok walks on the bridge and Neelix makes money noises
>Chakotay was actually Armenian but pretended to be Indian for attention
>Soval uses the phrase “the eternal Ando”
>Odo says the only reason he didn't join the Cardassians is he couldn't replicate the spoon
>Shran says “pinkskins” but starts stuttering after noticing Mayweather
>T’pol explains to Archer the difference in IQ distributions between species
>Chekov tells Sulu that Russia should have conquered Japan like it conquered the Ukraine
>Kirk jokes with Scotty about Spock’s mother being a race-mixer
>Bones called Spock “Jew, Green blooded bastard”
>Gowron calls Worf “a subklingon fucking targ”
>Worf enters Picard’s ready room without knocking and gets phasered
>Data tells Geordi that he’s just as beta as Barclay, but people take pity on him because he’s blind
>"'Gentle' was bred out of these Cardassians a long time ago"
>Admiral Janeway insists that the Klingons were responsible for leaking the logs proving she committed genocide and aided The Borg

>>84646903
Not really, I think most people can separate their own ideology from a work of fiction and fantasy that isn't solely about politics.

>>84647148
fucking kek

>>84647220
The person getting triggered by a tunic obviously can't.

>>84646798
>Oh... is it a requirement that one must be a communist to participate in a Startrek thread?
>>84646903
>No

Then shut the fuck up about it, you commie queer.

>>84647220
But why do you enjoy fantasy? I enjoy trek because like others I forsee our race on day becoming the federation, maybe without as many aliens but without enough resources and technology that menial labour is completely gone. You don't need to pay money for food when the production of the food is done fully autonomously and with renewable energy.

Personally, if I wanted some self-centered patriotic future for america/the world. My ideal sci-fi would not be star-trek. It would likely be some greek/roman fantasy where totalitarian dicators are common place and looked up upon, and their word is law.

>>84647268
We were talking about Star Trek being globalist communist jew propaganda, not girly skirt tunics you fucking retard. Why can't you faggots ever keep stories straight?

>>84647440
Sorry, I was distracted by fantasies of Riker's belly popping out of his uniform.