does it ruin the movies?

literally yes and all i want is some autist to make the extended blurays look normal again

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I kind of like it.
The green filter gives the movie more of a dream-like feel.

>>84607508
I don't notice it outside of any scene in the mountain. That being said i'd prefer to have an 'original' version included as well to watch.

>>84607940
http://tehparadox.com/forum/f75/kk650s-list-available-releases-7028193/#post13341918

but TPX is down right now, not sure if dead
You can also do some digging, it's called "regrading"

>>84607508
Yes.
But it depends on the movie. It worked great for Matrix.

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>>84608327
For comparison, here's the same scene without the filter.
Yeah I'm probably "autistic", but I feel that this looks too "realistic".
Tiny details like the flowers and shrubs by Bilbo's door look less like part of the scenery, and more like something hand-picked by a set designer, which really starts to break my immersion.


Fun fact: movie makers do color grading as a visual shorthand to enhance the feeling of the movie. Green is often used to convey a dream-like state, such as when characters are in the matrix and not in the real world.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18664_5-annoying-trends-that-make-every-movie-look-same.html

>>84608539
You said it yourself, you're probably autistic. That's not how immersion works at all

You realise the movie is color graded on a scene by scene basis, right? The green tinge is literally only there during the shire scenes. They didn't just slap a single filter on the entire thing.

>>84608539
The second one looks better I think, that's how flowers look they stand out. Things have different colors and knowing how to use them well should be a filmmakers talent.
I don't like it when everything looks blue or green or orange. Let colors be different goddamnit.

>>84607508
You should only be watching the theatrical version of Fellowship anyway. It's perfect.

>>84608739
Except they did, to varying degrees ofcourse, but they did.

Just like they fucked Matrix with a green tint

>>84608739

What point are you trying to make?

>>84608861
The bluray colors are a replication of the theatrical version. It's the DVD color grading that's fucked.

>>84608900
Talking about Matrix here just for clarification

>>84608327
gives it a hot summer feel

>>84608539
this looks more like the Snyder version

>>84608861
They didn't though. The contrast was adjusted and grading was applied to specific scenes to enhance the presence of greens and blues. They didn't slap a filter on the entire film.

>>84608882
That no one on this board understands color grading

>>84608861
>Just like they fucked Matrix with a green tint
ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID OR THIS IS THE WORST BAIT EVER?

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>>84607508
>"you want your movie to look like it was drowned in stale piss? No problem."

>>84609890
But that color grade is the point, to look almost like a computer generated dream.
Without the color grade it looks like a run of the mill TV show.

>>84609988
Green makes things seem computer generated? I'm not sure I agree with that logic. The crappy 3D Smith models in the Burly Brawl are what make it seem computer generated.

Green tint looks good, HD makes the shire look too real

The blue tint in the mountains looks shit though & the overly brown tint in the council scene was a bit too much also

>>84610072
Yes, this pic >>84609890 looks more like a dream or some "other" dimension with that color grade and it ties in with the iconic matrix green code. Without the color grade that shot would look like a TV show of keanu reeves standing in some whatever room.

Do you think the point of every film is to look as realistic and "pretty" as possible?

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>>84608923
no this looks more like the snyder version

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>>84607508

>tfw I am one the only few people wo got the fullhd rip without that shitty filter

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>>84609890
>>84609988
woah

>>84610341
I'm not sure that removing the grading would detract too much from the movie and the message.

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>>84610304

here is the original movie and pre-bluray-release version

>>84607508
why do they do this?

>>84610436

the one people who were responsible for the blu-ray release did this dogshit, it was never intended orignially

>>84610436
To add to the atmosphere of the narrative. Both left and right frames have color grades over it, someone just thought that the original color grade was not good enough so they changed it.

I for one think that both versions don't look particularly good in that exact scene, the left is clearly way too hard on the blue/green hues and the right looks like a 1980 desert movie like A New Hope.

>>84610378
>the message
what that matrix = green? You realize this wasn't in the theatrical release right? They already had subtle hints with the green palette but then they just slapped an even greener filter over the matrix scenes so people could remember OH YEAH THEY ARE IN THE MATRIX NOW CUZ ITS GREEN
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/the-matrix-visual-comparison.html

they changed them to be in line with the trilogy

Color grade threads are the worst, completely embarassing really.

>>84610767
And yet here you are.

>>84610767
lol you haven't seen shitposting if you think this even scratches the surface of terrible threads

>>84607508
I've been told filters are added to movies in remasters to fix lighting issues but honestly having everything tinted one color sticks out way more to me.

>>84611008
>to fix lighting issues
i don't think that's right, you can adjust the brightness/contrast/saturation of individual colours in editing software, no need to slap one colour over everything to fix lighting

>>84608970
Understanding it doesn't make it look like not shit.

>>84611081
You do realize that basically every movie from 2000 till now has a color grade?

>>84611008
You've been told wrong.
Also grading is not just slapping on a static instagram filter over the whole film and calling it a day, they work in detail with every single scene and do work on specific regions of the frame also.
If you saw a raw unprocessed RAW file of any digital camera you would think it looks grey flat absolute shit, but they have to shoot that way to retain all the information for the color to be brought up exactly how you want in post without losing anything.

>>84611675
So in that respect would the Black and Chrome version of Mad Max (or even Logan Noir) be considered a form of color grading? I know they put a lot of work into tweaking levels on that.

>>84611675
This man knows

>>84611881
Yes, ofcourse, you don't turn a color film to black and white with a single click, there are countless combinations and shades of black/grey/white, highlights contrasts etc. And you can see that the filter isn't constant in the night scene of Fury Road most easily.

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LOL

>>84607508

this fucking rages me, delete this

>>84608327
>>84608539
unfiltered is way better. The greenery actually has colour to it without the filter. The image looks fresher and less dated as well.

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EHL OH EHL

>>84609890
with the Matrix the filter is really what gave the film it's character. It's supposed to make the scenes seem somewhat unreal, mystical, strange. It sets the tone and style, becomes the films signature look.

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haha

>>84612528
>he was in the light
>he is in the dark now
>this parallels Lucas' inner turmoil
The pottery never ends

>>84612582
No it wasn't, kid - jesus, this filter garbage is bad enough without your lies. There was no 'green tint' in the original Matrix when released...this garbage has all been added just to to gloss over the shit that HD picks up these days, normal shit that autistic normies can't handle seeing on their big screens..

>>84611497
I don't care it looks like SHIT

>>84612315
Original is overexposed
>>84612528
Original looks better

This is why Lucas is and always will be a hack

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>>84612585
>more film grain than in the original

how in the fuck?

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>>84612315
>>84612528
>>84612585
>People will actually defend the filter, even after seeing these comparisons......mfw.

Is the green filter in the standard edition blu-rays?

>>84612759
>more film grain
No, it's just that the lower saturation makes his skin tone less even

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Viola

>>84612863
I knew it. I had an argument with a friend that the first one didn't look like green piss and he brought up that it's how it looks on netflix too, so it must be it.

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About these fan regrade projects:

They have inferior image quality compared to the commercial release. In order to shift the color balance in the direction they need there will be a loss of information, usually resulting in blown out highlights or crushed blacks. There is not much wiggle room when you are working with a finished video file, much like trying to regrade a .jpg image.

If fans somehow got access to the raw video files or original film it would be a different story.

>>84612936
look at the chair behind him or at Vader, there is definitely more visual noise in the 2011 version

how they managed to fuck up the transfer with all their funds is beyond me

>>84612960
>muh highlights
>muh histogram
But sometimes it's good to blow out things out and have some pitch black areas to get good contrast and the elusive 3d effect.

Someone post an image and I will try to grade it to neutral color.

>>84612528
oh my god. fuck george lucas.

>>84612752
Every movie from 2000 to 2017 looked like shit?

>>84613068
>neutral color
What did he mean by this?

>>84613122
white is white, black is black

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>>84613068

>>84613156
Already done.

>>84613130
How do you know what color the objects in an image should be? Cameras don't shoot color exactly as it's seen in person.

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>>84613209

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>>84611497
>>84612752
>>84613114
Every movie you watch since the beginning of the digital era, and even a lot before them is color graded in some capacity

>>84607508
Welp, now I can't watch the extended version anymore.

I thought the theatrical blu ray for LOTR was the bad transfer and the Extended Blu ray looked more like the one in theaters, this thread has it backwards

>>84610402
I remember thinking in the theater that the greenery looked like just like my backyard.
Some of the grass just looks dead

>>84613215
I don't. There is no guarantee neutral coloring is accurate.

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>>84613449
Remember the theatrical colors aren't the same as the DVD colors, or the Blu-ray colors. Apparently the blu ray version is closer to the theatrical version, in some respects

Also I pulled this together in a span of about 2 minutes

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Traffic was literally and unironically unwatchable. What the FUCK we're they thinking.
>DUDE WASHINGTON IS IN THE NORTH SO ITS BLUE LMAO
>DUDE MEXICO IS SOUTHERN SO ITS ORANGE LMAO
>DUDE LA IS HALF WAY BETWEEN SO THERES NO HEADACHE INDUCING FILTER LMAO

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>>84613529
The filter was so strong it literally removed all other colour. It was like a filter put over black and white

>>84613258
Also already very close to neutral.

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>>84613613
fine, remove the orange filter from Geonosis now

>>84613707
>>84613707
Doesn't it make sense for an environment like that to be orange tho

>>84608851
extended for all of them or nothing

>>84613839

Extended has some fun stuff and some nicer world building moments but also some shit that should have stayed cut.

HES GOT MAH AX EMBEDDED IN HIS NARVOUS SYSTEM? the fuck?, they do not know what a nervous system is, they utterly lack modern anatomical and medical knowledge. this is just flinging aside the basic assumptions of the story for the sake of cheap gag.

Witch king breaking Gandalf's staff? Are you fucking kidding me

>>84613707
Thats just the dust

>>84613955
>they utterly lack modern anatomical and medical knowledge

you don't know that for certain, the Ancient Greeks knew about the nervous system

>>84613955
>Witch king breaking Gandalf's staff? Are you fucking kidding me
Huh? Facing down the Witch King at the gates was the hardest thing Gandalf the White had to do - and he technically only held his ground because the Witch King had to deal with Theoden. Not sure why you're incredulous.

>>84614112
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_neuroscience
>During the 4th century BC Aristotle thought that, while the heart was the seat of intelligence, the brain was a cooling mechanism for the blood. He reasoned that humans are more rational than the beasts because, among other reasons, they have a larger brain to cool their hot-bloodedness.[3]

Literally hotheads.

>>84613955
Agreed

Saruman "washing away" was cringe worthy

>>84608539
>Tiny details like the flowers and shrubs by Bilbo's door look less like part of the scenery, and more like something hand-picked by a set designer, which really starts to break my immersion.

I'm sorry but that's absolutely retarded.

>>84612528
>Obi Wanben Kenobi directly under a pillar of light
>Darth Vader in the shadows
Fuck I miss George Lucas

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>>84607508
color grading is inevitable these days

but when they color grade older films this is just fucking insulting. recent 4k of good bad and ugly got a piss filter.

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>>84614848
companies ruin older films again and again

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>>84614889
not even weeb shit is safe.

>>84614889
That can't be real. What the fuck?

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>>84614927
oh it is real my man

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>>84614848
just fuck my one of the greatest films of all time F A M

>>84615027
>>84614848
WHY THE FUCK

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you want to watch a classic disney film? we got you covered!

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how about we change...from day to night!

>>84615056
wtf this looks like the paint filter in Photoshop.
Who approved this piece of shit?

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>>84615091
disney!

>>84613529
kys yourself pleb, traffics filter was fine

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>the entirety of Godzilla Final Wars

>>84614889
by far the worst

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>>84615056
>>84615142

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literally every release is different

from this...

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>>84615725
to this...

first is japanese release, this one is a fucking us release. looks like spielberg is no different from goergie

>>84615725
>>84615758
Why do they keep doing this? What the fuck

I never notice this shit until you guys point it out. THANKS!

>>84613955
>>84614353
I still cannot tell who is memeing and who is seriously taking issue with original plot points

>>84615970
They just can't keep their hands off it, they feel like it's their job to mess with shit

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>>84614889
>friend at house
>wants to download predator and chooses the latest version
>strongly advise him against doing so, show him and another friend there this image
>They agree that it looks better

>>84607508
seriously if half this shit is right I'm gonna start a personal vendetta and personally call the fucking studios every time I buy a classic and some retarded filter has been slapped over it. I've had it up to here

>>84607508
it mostly does, there are times in LotR though where they used a green screen and I didn't even notice or didn't find it distracting

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>>84613707

>>84615027
This is much more accurate to the original 60's IB tech version, though. Not everything was white balanced just because digital grading didn't exist

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>>84612585
George Lucas is so fucking retarded. WOW JUST WOW levels of not understanding movies. Reading the book "The Secret History of Star Wars" really exposes how much George just stepped in shit with that franchise, and how little he had to do with its success.

>>84608539
Flowers stand out in real life though. Unfiltered is better.

I'm pretty sure a lot of this is compensation for people running their TVs on Sports mode or whatever with the contrast and brightness all the way up

>be colour blind and sometimes have trouble differentiating colours
>retards in editing studios want to remove even more colour from classic movies

Never saw a point to "filters" and never will.

>>84615142
There are many reasons why the most common phrase said by Disney cast members is FUCK DISNEY. Now I have one more.

So which one is actually fucked? DVD or Blu-Ray. For fucks sake I can never get a definitive answer. Is there a way to watch extended editions without the green tint?

>>84617463
The blu-ray

DVD is fine

>>84617547
>DVD is fine

Well except for the image quality

>>84617360
To add atmosphere or a certain feel that compliments the narrative. Not every film needs or wants to look as "realistic" and pretty as possible.
Also as another anon already said, grading is not just slapping on a static instagram filter over the whole film and calling it a day, they work in detail with every single scene and do work on specific regions of the frame also.
And it's not just changing the color, it's changing the brightness/contrast/saturation/highlights etc.
If you saw a raw unprocessed RAW file of any digital camera you would think it looks grey flat absolute shit, but they have to shoot that way to retain all the information for the color to be brought up exactly how you want in post without losing anything.

Basically every film from 2000 to now has color grading.

>>84608327
>gives the movie more of a dream-like feel.

>Make a live-action version of a famous story
>Choose to make it look less like real live action
What's the point?

>>84617636
Right, I suppose I meant overlay style filters like in OP's pic that take away from the contrast and visuals much more than they add to it.

>>84617463
Here, someone selling them cheap af

http://www.ebay.com/itm/lord-of-the-rings-trilogy-/122564458446?hash=item1c896937ce:g:XKMAAOSwCkZZTcJ5

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>>84617636

That's all really nice except the frame looks like this in the end.

>>84617662
So it looks like an otherwordly fantasy movie, not like actors in a high budget TV show.

>>84617770
Never in the books is it said that the sky in Middle Earth is green instead of blue though.

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>>84608539
I want to believe

>>84617729
kek that almost looks like full sepia

>>84617848
I never said that that particular color grade is good, I'm just defending the use of color grading in general.
The version with the "blue" sky also has color grading btw.

>>84617729
What does your post have to do with my post? Yeah sometimes people do a lousy job at grading, just like people sometimes do a lousy job at lighting/production design/framing etc.

And I don't watch Fargo, but that shot reminds of The Road, which also has a hard grey and lifeless grade over it. But that suits that particular film, it would make no sense to show that miserable end of the world setting in a vibrant clear visual tone.
As I said, visuals are not always aiming to be "pretty", they should compliment the narrative.

>>84607508
IIRC weren't they originally shot on film, and wasn't there some variation in the distribution prints with regards to processing?

>>84612960
WHere can I find a copy that looks like top?

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>>84612863
>Matrix sequels
>bad

>>84618352

The point that you're incapable of understanding is that color grading evolved into an overused shit smear that does more harm than good to the footage.

You're just one of those morons who can't get that it's about the how, not the what, and now you're here "explaining" obvious things like it changes the fact that some overpaid clown is literally adding 200% blue tints to a shot to "make it more artistic" when the shot is fine to begin with.

>>84608539
far better without the green

>>84607508
Ahhh just like the matrix. Perfection

>>84612967
>crushed blacks
Sounds good to me

>>84612585
... does tarkin look almost cgi in this pic? or am i autistic

>>84619269
>when the shot is fine to begin with
You are aware that every "original" version you see is also color graded? The OP picture too?
If you saw a raw unprocessed RAW file of any digital camera you would think it looks grey flat absolute shit, but they have to shoot that way to retain all the information for the color to be brought up exactly how you want in post without losing anything.

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>>84620028
>crushed blacks

>>84615027
Why couldn't they just include both versions?

>>84608327
looks like utter shit. actually offends me how bad that filter is
>>84609988
>run of the mill tv show
>dof, composition and decent lighting
pick one

>>84608539
Thats lovely, but again its without the green