Rey was a Mary Sue.

>>84417196
Yes

>>84417196
no shit

>>84417196

Don't you mean a MaRey Sue? :^)

>>84417196
That is correct

The only winners in this are the people with good taste that didn't go see that movie.

>>84417196
And you are a faggot.
Obvious thing is obvious thread?

>>84417196
She would have been alright if there was a little more focus on her story.
The only thing to her is that she's a scavenger, yet pulls off all that shit in the movie.

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hmm

>>84418113
>Hermione
>Mary Sue

pick one desu

>>84418113
>Slenderman
???

>>84418141
She is.

>>84418113
Voldemort?

>>84418218
He was kind of a Mary-Sue when he was younger.

>can control rare and powerful magic even as a child with no training
>handsome as fuck
>most brilliant student
>charming
>descendant of one of the most important wizards ever
>gets away with everything

Kinda annoying how OP he was because it meant that Rowling had to make him act dumb for Harry to have a chance against him.

>>84418141
Name one flaw.

>>84418311

He acted like a real brilliant person when he was younger but devolved into a Saturday morning cartoon villain in his later years.

You'd think he'd wise up a bit. He's not some twenty something playing dress up with an le ebil secret society.

Should have dispensed with that shit altogether, murdered the minister and polyjuiced himself to look like him. The Dark Lord returns, rules the Ministry, no one is the wiser because everyone in that universe is a fucking buffoon.

>>84418367
In Rowling's defense it kind of makes sense. Voldemort's biggest flaw is his narcissism and arrogance. He might be intelligent but he also wants to be treated as the powerful wizard he feels he deserves to be. Furthermore he wouldn't polyjuice into anyone either as he's too self absorbed to willingly change into someone else's form.

>>84418349
she's ugly in the books

>>84418367
He could have become the Minister legitimately if he wanted, but he was just a psychopath who wanted to murder and scare people.

>>84418441
Only until the fourth book where she suddenly transforms into a megababe that everyone except Harry want to date.

>>84418441
>books
Where do you think you are?

>>84417215
>>84417274
>>84417282
>>84417407
>>84417725

^

>>84418524

It's an "OP starts a thread to try to start shit by making a comment he thinks people will argue over but instead everyone agrees and argues over Hermione instead" thread.

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>>84417196
Sexist faggot. Go neck yourself, scum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz3oSYB5XB4

>>84418572
How embarrassing.

>>84418113
just a reminder that Voldemort did nothing wrong

the influx of muggle-borns is going to be the downfall of pure wizard blood and the end of magic as their world knows it, Voldemort could see that and had to become the leader his people needed, even against all odds, being painted as a villain and murderer (for simply taking out the blood traitors as they deserved) and ultimately dethroned by a halfblood hypocrite - Harry, after all, looked to purify his blood by relating with an old wizard family, a right which Voldemort fought for and Harry accused him of being evil for, even after Voldemort tried getting Harry to join him several times.

Voldemort could kill all muggle lovers, after Dumbledore was dead he had no contest. All he had to do was attack the people, not Harry. But he did not attack, because he did it all for his wizard people, and knew that he had to spill no more than the blood needed, by killing Harry and getting rid of leadership between the muggle team.

Voldemort is the real unsung hero here, and he unbelievably lost to "the power of love" and all that shit, brought by a self-hating whiny rich halfblood.

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I am about to waifu this whole shit up say I won't

>>84418349
>nerdy
>uptight
>unattractive in the beginning
>superiority complex

Besides being a Mary Sue isn't just about character flaws, it's about facing obstacles you can't overcome by yourself alone and HP books are exactly about that, the three of them overcoming the odds by working together.

That's like saying the A-Team is a Mary Sue.

>>84417196
Disagree. The problems with her character extend to pretty much every aspect of the movie, and are very similar to issues that cropped up in JJ's Star Trek movies.

Basically JJ has a tendency to take a thing people remember about the character or franchise and make it about a million times more prominent than it was in the original, This is how we ended up going from "Kirk couldn't accept the possibility of a no win scenario, so he cheats on the test so he can win" to "kirk cheats on the test because he's not taking it seriously, and doesn't like to lose, and directly makes a mockery of it in front of everybody. We see this with Chekov now being so wet behind the ears that he literally leaves the parking brake on, and how Sulu became an expert sword fighter because one time in TOS he said he liked fencing.

All of the problems with Rey stem from this exaggeration being applied to the concept of "force sensitive individual who hasn't received training yet." Now instead of untrained force users displaying their affinity for the force by being a decent pilot or having really good reflexes, JJ feels the need to demonstrate it by having his main character pull off ridiculous feats and pull powers out of her ass that she should need to train for since "we need to show she's naturally strong in the force" or some shit.

>>84419469
also i forgot the biggest one
>LITERALLY MUGGLE PARENTS

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Alice was a Mary Sue.

>>84419517
I'm sure glad that any anon can be Krager by putting "Krager #KSTEW4EVER" (without the quotes) into the name field of their posts.

>>84417196
>>84419517
true

We know. Everyone disagreeing is either trolling or legitimately stupid.
>>84418113
Rey is Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert/wish fulfillment character.

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>>84417196
>untrained scavenger girl is more powerful than the literal chosen one

>>84419517
Don't you first have to be a character to be a Mary Sue?

So was padmé

>>84419610
>>84419604

How is she a Mary Sue? Does she have an impact on the story? Not really. She mostly sits back and watches as everything unfolds. She doesn't win her lightsaber duel. She doesn't destroy the planet. She just observes everything. Luke on the other hand somehow destroys the Death Star. Luke was a Mary Sue not Rey.

All JJA movies/series have Mary/Gary Sue/Stu characters as protags.

It's his thing. Also, so form of time travel.

He even put time travel in the Felicity finale. wtf???

>>84419490
JJ likes to create characters that need to overcome obstacles, but then those obstacles are handwaved away cause Abrams needs to get from point A to point B

>Oh, Kirk is just a cadet in the first movie?

>How about if everybody who is a higher rank than him dies?

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>>84417196
She is just as bland and Mary Sue`ish as a female Jedi character from Star Wars Old Republic

>>84419634
>Does she have an impact on the story?
>fixes the Falcon
>save Finn from the hentai monster
>does some shit Finn and Han couldn't do on that one ice place where Han died and Kyle Ren got shot

>>84419610
No. Padme wasn't almighty, had her shair of failures (her decoy gets killed in Ep 2, fucks up at the senate), relies on Anakin in Episode 2 and just follows him around, the rest of the characters don't care too much about her, she was reduced to being just the random chick that had Anakin's kids, then died. Unless you count the new Clone Wars show, which I didn't watch, in that case I've no idea.

>>84419634
>Luke spends most of the movie failing at everything, constantly needs to be saved, wins once
>Rey defeats the new Darth Vader twice in the movie
>her moment of weakness is literally a moment and ultimately inconsequential

>>84419684
But it's a game, the character is supposed to be a mighty self-insert. Rey is in a big budget movie that allegedly had the best of the best writers they could get.

>>84419704
>>Rey defeats the new Darth Vader twice in the movie
not tru but the rest is correct

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>>84419634
>She doesn't win her lightsaber duel.

>>84419713
that is exactly my point. When it comes to Ray it's like we are watching the cut scenes of a video game

>>84418349
She had horrible interpersonal skills. She was also wasn't liked by a lot of people, a cornerstone of a Mary Sue.

>>84419718
>not true
>beats him in a test of force
>defeats him in a lightsaber duel
>b-b-but h-he was injured and x and y and z

in the logic of the world you can explain anything you want, from a character and story structure perspective she beats him twice, luke doesn't even fight vader in a new hope

>>84419718
I think that anon must mean the lightsaber duel (Rey at least doesn't die) and how she beat Kylo at the mind trick interrogation scene.
>>84419741
Oops, and yeah I agree with you.

>>84419659
He creates Eugenics characters that have a special talent from birth and are better than everyone and can do shit no one else can do and also coincidences lol just fall next to old Spock who was next to Scotty on that planet, etc.

>>84417196
I just want to know why they are pushing episode 8 as an Empire type movie with Jedi training. Clearly she has nothing left to learn.

>>84419763
>>b-b-but h-he was injured and x and y and z
>*sticks fingers in ears* LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLA
So I guess you're just going to conveniently ignore Kylo Ren getting shot and asking Rey to join him multiple times.

>>84419820
Making the enemy an incompetent idiot is part of making the hero a mary sue sometimes. Being asked to join him is also a mary sue trait, even the villain loves/wants her.

>>84419820
>supposed to be the new darth vader
>faces the protagonist twice
>leaves a loser in both circumstances

as i said, you can explain everything with the internal logic of the movie and the SW universe, mary sue is a character/story issue

>>84417196
How i would make her:

- she cant fly at all. She has to learn it from Poe or Han Solo. But her Force power makes it easier for her to lern it
- she has only basic understanding of how a ship works. She could never repair something without help
- she cant use lightsaber at all and she gets wrecked by Kylo Ren
- she used a gun on Jakku thats why she is a good shooter. But she has not much knowledge of the art of warfare (tactics etc. That`s Finn`s specialty)
- she is good in climbing but she is psysicly not as strong as her male companions
- she is really strong in the force, even more than Kylo Ren, but she has problems to controle it

Rey can't be a Mary Sue because for that you first would need to have a character there.

Is she anything besides "determined"?

>>84420109
Wouldn't that mean that fan fiction characters that started the "Mary Sue" term aren't characters either?

>>84420062
She should start off the film as being somewhat selfish and hostile/standoffish with the others because she is used to surviving on her own and having people prey on her

>>84420062
she doesnt life alone on Jakku but with other scrap collectors that she considers friends. When the First Order arrives on Jakku she helps the Republic and the First Order notices her. She than later decides to leave the planet to not put her friends in danger

>>84420062
You can just fix her by getting a good actress like Keira Knightley imo. Also someone who doesn't cry muh mysoginy when someone says her character is a mary sue.

>>84420344
even a good actor can't save a bad script

>>84420376
I know but it would make it more watchable I guess.

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>>84418141
In the books she isn't

In the movies she is

>>84420298
survive alone on a desert planet sounds already a bit Mary Sue`ish. THat's why i chose to give her friends on Jakku
see >>84420316

>>84420449
People living in a poor community such as hers that has few resources for survival and where-in people must scavenge to survive is not the sort of environment where people form close or meaningful friendships. People may band together for survival, but even within their group they are in competition. It's less a family and more of a gang.

Rey being a more cynical person as opposed to the idealistic Luke (or Anakin) makes her different. It also makes her more at risk to the dark side.

>>84420491
I agree that would make her character interesting. I added other characters because its just hard to survive on your own in a hostile environment like a desert

>>84420491
and transporting huge ship parts without help is also unrealistic (at least without the force)

>>84418417
Yeah he's a bit of a wanker. He's so self absorbed that he single handedly jobs himself.

>>84420485
To be fair what's his name had been shot in the side and wasn't trying to kill her, only trying to bring him to her side.

Still, everything else in the movie makes her look like a huge Mary Sue.

>>84419587
tpm > tfa

Prove me wrong

>>84418311
He is the main villian so he has to be really powerful and smart

Harry Potter was Gary Stu`ish at times (especially in the 3. book where he managed to save Sirius Black, Buckbeak and get the trophy for Griffindor)

>>84419092
Don't forget that Rowling essentially demonises working class, institutionalised orphans and lionises rich trust fund babies through her shit characterisation.

>Voldermort can't feel love because he was never loved as a child (hardly his fault) and thus deserves eternal torment, despite the fact that he worked hard all his life to better himself, along with everyone else who has never been loved :)
>Harry, a literal Sue who lucked into friends, family, and fortune, for some reason deserves all the love in the world even though he has no demonstrable talent and has never really worked hard at anything. We are also expected to ignore the fact that his father was a little sadist and his mother was a brainless wasp. Oh! He also gets to win against the guy who actually studied and put the work due to the power of...you guessed it...love!! :)

Rowling is a fucking hack

>>84420563
A few options

>she doesn't need to scavenge such huge shit

>or she does get help, but people sometimes betray her and rip her off


Poverty means desperation and desperation means a lack of trust and faith in the goodness of others


To me, when I saw her turning over some junk to get some grool to eat I got the impression this is a very poor community where people have very little. Additionally, whoever does have any wealth, such as whomever is passing out that slop to eat, is likely to keep everyone else pushed down. People are a little resentful


So Rey is a bit mistrustful of others
Thinks people will try to take advantage of her or rip her off
Resists trusting others and is skeptical of anyone trying to "do good"
She might actually have an easier time bonding with Finn when he escapes the Order only to want to run away and save himself
That is a mentality she understands


Basically, Rey ought to be the Han Solo of this film. Remember that in A New Hope it was Luke who was naive and good and heroic and Han was just in it for money. At the end he wants to take his monetary reward and leave the rebels to their fate, but he has grown to respect Luke and when Luke shames him for his greed it changes him

>>84420653
Doesn't explain how she used force suggestion, telepathy, force pull, flew the falcon a custom made freighter expertly on her first try in the innards of a dangerous dynamic obstacle course while out dog fighting from youth onward trained pilots. Doesn't explain her expertly shooting a gun hitting 8 targets on her first try. Doesn't explain why she's desired by everyone or why she's immediately loved and trusted by everyone. Doesn't explain why they congratulated her after the death star's destruction or why Leia hugged her instead of her friend of 40 years Chewie. Remember, finding Luke was so vital that the very future of the resistance depended on it. So let us send this smelly sand rat we just met. And to add Kylo jobbed Finn easily enough.

>>84420872
voldemort can't feel love because he was conceived under the effects of a love potion you stupid fucking idiot

>>84420903
good point

>>84420985
If i remember correct his dad was under the control of a love potion . Her ugly mother did it to get the handsome Tom Riddle Senior

>>84421028
yes

>>84420872
Way to cherry pick.
They are foil characters, both orphans, both thrown into a world that they were unaware of. Both were charismatic enough to develop a group of friends, Voldemort became a villain, Harry a hero. They are supposed to be foils of each other, books 2, 3, 6 and 7 go into detail about how successful Voldemort was in Hogwarts.

>>84420903
So I would write Rey's character like his

>Pros
Brave
Kind (when she feels secure)
Resourceful
Strong sense of justice
Self-sufficient
Good fighter

>Cons
Cynical
Mistrustful
Independent to a fault (can cause her to overestimate her ability in some situations)


As part of her character arc she learns that some people are good and will help her and others for altruistic reasons, that some people can be trusted. That in the long-term selfish, greedy, abusive people will pay the price for it. That everyone needs help sometimes and that there are people worth helping, worth fighting for.

She bonds with her companions, but then Kylo/the Order kill one of them and at the end of the film Rey's character is balancing on a razor with her sense of Justice at risk of becoming a drive for Vengeance instead. Having come to trust and get attached to others, only for them to be taken away, may wind up causing her to go back to her old ways and double-down on them.

>>84421096
>kind
>Strong sense of justice

to people she thinks deserve it

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>>84419429
Tattoos on feet are the worst kind of tattoo.

>>84420985
How's that his fault? If anything, that absolves him of his actions.

>>84419429
i saw porn stars who had the same stars on their body

>>84421075

That does not change the fact that Voldemort was not the villain he was being painted as. If anything, it makes more of a valid point when they are so alike and Harry couldn't even put himself in the shoes of Voldemort and see his own shortcomings. Never he wondered if he was truly evil, he just ate up Dumbledore's progressive ideas and ran with it.

Voldemort was the more accomplished wizard, he had more to offer as a leader and since his return in the fourth book he even had more support than Harry, but it's easy to paint all of Voldemort's insurgents as evil insane murderers. Harry was a fucking hypocrite, as Dumbledore and half of the Order of the Penis.

The Dark Lord came from a terrible background, built his own future out of competence (and some
scheming, that's true), became powerful out of his own study in a taboo subject with not much research behind - truly a wizard spellcrafter - and was compared to the terror of Grindenwald - even though we don't really know what the german dude did originally to be so bad.

The books are prejudiced against pure blooded wizards without a single reason. They are filled with bullshit, we only get Harry Potter and friends side of the coin, we never get a chance to try and understand Voldemort, and ultimately he got tired of trying to talk to the "good guys" and got ready for war.

Voldemort was the hero all along, trying to save the magic world from its self inflicted demise. He was the better wizard and lost to a whiny teenager with >muh luv, trying to ignore all reality and kicking and screaming about the evil man with the dark arts.

>>84421225
True

she might she needy and/or naive people as being deserving of scorn or of mostly having themselves to blame for their misfortune

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Despite Disney shills trying to paint Luke as a Gary Stu which he isn't at all. It should be noted that Rey is a unique case of Mary Sue in a feature film, even cartoons heroines are more balanced. The only films where you got a Mary Sue like Rey is at Bollywood, these badass guys who can single handedly take dozens of cops and thugs, flip cars with their fingers and other insane stunts.
The Force Awakens is Bollywood level of cinema.

>>84421870
the way he destroyed the Death Star is the only thing that was weird but he is not nearly as badly written as Rey

>>84422094
He destroyed the deathstar because of an oversight on the engineer's part.

Luke had flown all kinds of speeders all his life for fun, so having piloting skills isn't that extraordinary.

>>84422291
i mean that he used the force to control the missile

>>84418113
Slenderman is such a fucking Mary Sue

>>84420963
I'm agreeing, also it is odd she fought better than Finn when she had the exact same amount of experience with light sabers.

>>84422094
>>84422291
>>84422402

My goodness ya'll, Luke didn't touch this missiles with force anything, he used the force to time when to pull the trigger much like Obi Wan did when Blocking Grievous' blades or what Anakin used when racing at break neck speeds. It's called, Force danger sense. Listen people, do you think the Rebels planned for months and months and months only to have to wait on a telekinetic? The Missiles were homing missiles. In the war room, they show where the missiles, Once Lined Up with the chute, would handle the rest. That's why Luke's craft had a TARGETING COMPUTER. The targeting computer would give Luke a signal, WHEN to pull the trigger. Here's the difference, the speed the struts that jutted out, and the anti air craft batteries was a bit much for the TARGETING COMPUTER to compensate for. Obi Wan, if you remember, taught Luke how to use the Force to see for him. So the FORCE told Luke when to PULL the trigger. Or do you believe Luke physically placed the Missiles into the chute, then as he flew away, he maintained control of them while flying away at hundreds of miles an hour? And do you believe the rebels plan hinged on Luke's potential telekinesis? And Luke didn't have telekinesis by the way. He had it in ESB and it still took him three minutes to pull his Saber free. Rey's a horrible Mary Sue and is literally the first one I've ever seen, and I thought Triple X was bullshit. NOT ANYMORE!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0_GdI8TWE

>>84417196
>was

Wait till you see the Last Jedi.

>>84423192
Thank you good sir. Thank you.

>>84420717
I sure can't

>>84423323
"Rian Johnson write incredibly fierce independent women"
-Kathleen Kennedy

>>84423341
>good sir
>repeating thank you with such pretentious fervor that he actually gets a little high on his own self gratification
>his fedora tips after he posts
>no one will know I'm samefagging he exclaims, as he begins masturbating to his pair of horrendous posts

You tipped your fedora to yourself

>>84417196
oh i forgot she can understand droids and Wokees. How the hell can somebody not think that she is a Mary Sue?

>>84420903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0_GdI8TWE

38:00 - 38:40

that is an interesting idea to. She would build droids who would be her companions (would remind alot of small Anakin and Luke but it would make sense)

MA REY SUUUUUUEEEE

https://www.youtube.coM/watch?v=sg29Sa6QFes

>>84426736
love his review :D

>>84426277
that guy offers a lot of good ideas

i liked the ending where rey has to make a choice between letting kylo live or die. and maybe she kills him and thinks she is justified and then goes to the dark side. it actually makes a lot of sense mythologically too

>>84425282
Never go full retard. Never.

>>84426277
That's because J.J. and crew are not Story Tellers. J.J.'s a Technical Director. Meaning he could shoot a great shot. But he can't tell a story to save his life. Lucas for all his failings is an expert story teller, as is Spielberg and Coppola. A horrible story teller is Jar Jar Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy.

They both suck.

Kennedy wasn't there for Super 8 and that was a horrible movie. It was beautifully shot, but it was a horrible movie. It was disjointed. It's as if J.J took Jurassic Park, Jaws, Close Encounters and E.T. and smashed them all together.

>>84426811
yes

>>84426811
>>84426919
It's why I say J.J.'s a horrible story teller. It's the same difference for the climax of Super 8, we're supposed to side with this alien after it's eaten a ton of people and when Elle Fanning is rescued she says, "It's not his fault he just wants to go home." WHAT? But he almost ate you, you stupid twit. But then we remember what the Science black guy said, the guy who Manically ran a truck into a train, "A part of him is in me as I am in him." So this thing when it touches you minds rape you into siding with it. Which would explain black man smashing his truck into a train potentially killing everyone on the plane and anyone else that happened to be in the area, and Elle Fanning having a dazed look on her face when she says, "It's not his fault he just wants to go home."

J.J's a horrible story teller.

>>84427035
*potentially killing everyone on the Train and anyone else that happened to be in the area.

>>84419490
>>84419490
>Basically JJ has a tendency to take a thing people remember about the character or franchise and make it about a million times more prominent than it was in the original
this faggot thinks he's being slick, we all know you got this from the Plinkett reviews, now either fuck off or start giving Mike credit the next time you use his opinions

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>>84419517
Milla is cute!

>>84427306
agree especially in 5. Element

>>84427210
Jeez Louise guy, it's not rocket science. What the hell is wrong with you? If you're dumber than a barrel of ducks doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>84417196
>is
Fix'd.

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>>84427429
She's always cute in all of her movies!

>>84419756
>She was also wasn't liked by a lot of people, a cornerstone of a Mary Sue.
Haven't read the books but if they were villains it doesn't count. Are there any non-villains who hate her?

>>84427683
I don't think there was anybody that really "hated" her, but she was almost autistically unlikable. But with the fourth book they kind of completely got rid of that, along with physical appearance.

>>84420062
>useless, terrible character
sounds great

>>84420485
>luke does a mind trick in rotj
>luke used telekinesis in the beginning of esb
>comparing vader to kylo ren
These kinds of people don't even like Star Wars.

>>84427885
>can use a gun
>can use the force
she's already more useful than Finn

>>84418417
>Voldemort's biggest flaw is his narcissism and arrogance.
Ah yes, the Achilles Heel of nearly all near-omnipotent villains. I'm getting so sick of this villain trope[/spoilers]

>>84419429
>Foot tattoo
I didn't know Daisy was trailer trash, although I could've guessed with that name.

I get the feeling that the character would be much more accepted if she was a man.

She's obviously poorly written and poorly developed, but I don't see this kind of criticism on equally bad male characters.

>>84419490
Yeah, you just described a Mary Sue. Doesn't matter if similar exaggerated character traits show up in other JJ works.

>>84428565
Examples?

>>84419517
Yep, but she doesn't have a following of paid and unpaid shills saying she isn't. Hell, that's part of the charm of the RE movies is Alice being unstoppable.

>>84417196
she's a poor mans Felicity Jones

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>>84417196
They're all Mary Sues. It's adventure fantasy.

The only reason anyone gives a shit about Rey being a Mary Sue meme is that it's the codeword way to whine about Rey not being sexy ass boy.

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>>84420717
>Prove me wrong
I mean. Scoreboard.

>>84429359
No its because criticizing characters is the entry level of film criticisim.

They don't have the communication skills nor film IQ to accurately be able to deride the films poor pacing, uninteresting set pieces, nor its formulaic nature.

My main criticism of Rey is that she was raised as a lone survivor on a shithole planet and was forced to fend for herself, yet ends up just acting like a normal, well-adjusted person. If someone was stranded on a desert and forced to fight to survive I would expect them to be more anti-social, less tactful, selfish, cynical, and pragmatic.

I'm not saying Rey had to be a complete asshole, but some actions and dialogue reflecting her background would have made her more interesting instead of Luke 2.0. For example, she could have tried to sell BB8 initially instead of keeping him around for no reason.

The reason why Luke worked as an everyman character was because he actually was an everyman. He had a family a job and was raised in a fairly "normal" environment. Rey meanwhile comes from extraordinary circumstances that are only used as an excuse to explain why she is good at fighting.

>>84429359
>luke gets btfo for 2 movies
>rey is the best pilot, the best jedi and knows everything all in a week

>>84429682
>she was raised as a lone survivor on a shithole planet
Yet she speaks like a high society heir. Meanwhile Finn who was raised by the Order speaks like a street nigga.

> If someone was stranded on a desert and forced to fight to survive
Everyone on this planet had to learn to fight to sruvive on that shithole. Why is it only Rey that can beat thugs on the market or bully other scavengers? That doesn't make any sense

What you guys seem to not understand about Rey is that the force tree is giving her buffs. She is literally the embodiement of the force tree. The force tree isn't a mary sue because it is like God and it decides who to give powers to.

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>>84429507
>
>They don't have the communication skills nor film IQ to accurately be able to deride the films poor pacing, uninteresting set pieces, nor its formulaic nature.
>to accurately be able to
Can't "accurately" do something that involves being pretty objectively wrong or meaningless.

Poor pacing compared to what exactly? It's a propulsive forward drive from the get go. The pacing pretty much sticks to the formula of ANH. Are you saying it was too fast or what exactly.?
>uninteresting set pieces
I've worked in set dec for years. I have construction and dressing experience on like 10 movies and shows. You're being silly.
>nor its formulaic nature.
Valid criticism. But when all you really have is complaining that Disney made a Disney movie, you're grasping at straws. It's action adventure fantasy made for kids. Complaining about it's "formulaic nature" is like complaining that a sonnet has 14 lines.

>No its because criticizing characters is the entry level of film criticisim.
This is all "entry level film of film criticism" m8.

>>84428565
No, because prequels Anakin has the same exact problems and it's at the forefront of how Anakin is bad character.

>>84419634

Relative to Anakin and Luke, Rey is a Mary Sue.

Episode I. Anakin is a tag along kid,a sidekick for all of the film. His only real victory the Pod race, would not have been possible without the help of Qui-gon Jin who told him how to"see" on purpose. The Destruction of the Droid control ship was pure dumb luck rather than some deliberate action on Anakin's part.

Episode II. Anakin fails or at the very least stumbles throughout the story, with only a few moments of looking heroic.
And at the end he loses his confrontation with a Dark sider badly, he is electrocuted and has his right arm cut off at the elbow.

Episode III. Anakin is only heroic during the beginning of the film after that it's all downhill from there for him.
He is put upon,manipulated and finally goes to the Dark Side and begins destroying everything that he once held dear.
In the end he is beaten,crippled and left for dead by his former mentor.

Episode IV. Luke is just along for the ride, accomplishes little without outside intervention. Han is more of a proactive hero than Luke is throughout the film. Luke's true achievement in the film doesn't come without outside intervention.

Episode V. Luke is captured and nearly killed during the beginning of the film, has to be rescued from dying
of hypothermia by Han. While Luke is heroic during the battle of Hoth, he sits out the majority of the film as he
trains on Dagoba. Luke latter attempt to overcome Darth Vader...only to beaten and lose his right hand.

Episode VI. Luke is only really successful during the beginning first third of the film. he is a liability on Endore and subsequently leaves. Luke confronts Darth Vader but only wins do to succumbing to rage, however does not defeat the Emperor in a martial sine;he scores a moral victory however. In the martial since Luke loses the battle and is on the floor slowly being electrocuted. The people that actually win the day are Lando and Wedge two mere mortals.

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>>84431027
>Episode I
ANAKIN IS A SLAVE BABY ENGINEERING GENIUS THAT CAN LITERALLY BUILD RACECARS AND PROGRAM ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND IS LITERALLY THE ONE AND IS THE ONLY HUMAN TO EVER NOT DIE IN A PODRACE, MUCH LESS WIN ONE. LITERALLY

THE

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SHIP

HE WINS THE FUCKING MOVIE.

literally kys. Episode 1 Anakin is the uber Sue and you're an intellectually dishonest faggot that wastes words to say nothing.

>>84431716
He had podraced before. Any jedi could theoretically podrace because they have better reactions.

The ship battle was just dumb luck/force luck, no skill involved.

A.I was abundant and not rare, is a 10 year-old a genius for assembling a PC with all parts available?

>>84431716
This, this is one of the many reasons E1 was shit.
MaRey is as bad.

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>>84431939
>He had podraced before.
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> Any jedi could theoretically podrace because they have better reactions.

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>The ship battle was just dumb luck/force luck, no skill involved.

BECAUSE

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BELLIGERENT

FAGGOT

THINGS

JUST HAPPEN

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>A.I was abundant and not rare, is a 10 year-old a genius for assembling a PC with all parts available?

THEY

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GENIUS

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LITERALLY

SPEND

HALF

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MOVIE

TALKING ABOUT HOW SPECIAL HE IS.

He's unambiguously one of the most cartoonishly poorly executed Sues in the history of the genre. You're being fucking retarded and need to re-evaluate the way your brain works.

>>84432207
Still only 33% as Mary-Sue as Rey.

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>>84432268
Yep because Rey isn't a sexy little boy for you to fantasize about being. She's a g-g-g-girl. it doesn't make ANY SENSE that she has magic powers, because she isn't anything like you! And you're special!

>>84427885
>>84427885
she can climb, shoot and use the force. the rest she has to learn

>>84429901
is the spoiler true?
source?

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>>84432784
>>84420062
>- she cant fly at all. She has to learn it from Poe or Han Solo. But her Force power makes it easier for her to lern it
She grew up working on spaceships m8. She had an intimate working knowledge of everything Plutt had done to the Falcon, which was a ship that she regarded as garbage until it was the only option. Clearly implying that she knows a lot about a bunch of ships. She makes a living working on them.

Luke farmed water was a combat ace. Rey worked on spaceships her entire childhood and you think it's bullshit that she knew how to fly them.
> she has only basic understanding of how a ship works. She could never repair something without help
- she cant use lightsaber at all and she gets wrecked by Kylo Ren
>- she has only basic understanding of how a ship works. She could never repair something without help
So unlike Luke and Anakin, she should be useless mechanically. Is this maybe because she's a g-g-g-girl?
>- she cant use lightsaber at all and she gets wrecked by Kylo Ren
Ren was trying to recruit her. He was fucking with her the whole time. He even allowed her to try and use the force, arrogantly assuming it wouldn't blow up in his face. Which it did.

Why didn't you just watch the movie?
>But she has not much knowledge of the art of warfare (tactics etc. That`s Finn`s specialty)
Nigger they're running for their lives for essentially the entire movie. They sneak into a base and get into a shootout. The fuck are you memeing about?
>- she is good in climbing but she is psysicly not as strong as her male companions
She isn't as strong. Every swing from Kylo that she defends against sends her flying back.
> she is really strong in the force, even more than Kylo Ren,
so like it fucking was
>but she has problems to controle it
oh but now she's stealing Kylo's schtick

Why didn't you just watch the movie? Your movie fucking sucks.

>>84433199
>>84433199
>She grew up working on spaceships m8. She had an intimate working knowledge of everything Plutt had done to the Falcon, which was a ship that she regarded as garbage until it was the only option. Clearly implying that she knows a lot about a bunch of ships. She makes a living working on them.
Luke farmed water was a combat ace. Rey worked on spaceships her entire childhood and you think it's bullshit that she knew how to fly them.

using fly simulations is not the same than flying a real ship (btw the movie never explained that)

>So unlike Luke and Anakin, she should be useless mechanically. Is this maybe because she's a g-g-g-girl?

Disassemble something is easier than build something together. She is a scrap collector not a mechanic thats why she get basic knwoledge. Maybe she can repair small things but that she knows more about the M Falcon than Han Solo is ridiculous. he haid the ship longer than Rey existed

>Ren was trying to recruit her. He was fucking with her the whole time. He even allowed her to try and use the force, arrogantly assuming it wouldn't blow up in his face. Which it did.

Doesnt look like it. He got his ass kicked

>Why didn't you just watch the movie?

I watched it. It explained jackshit. For expample why she can fly a ship

>Nigger they're running for their lives for essentially the entire movie. They sneak into a base and get into a shootout. The fuck are you memeing about?

How the fuck can she now military tactics if she was just born on a desert olanet and lived as a scrap collector?

>She isn't as strong. Every swing from Kylo that she defends against sends her flying back.

She kicks him to his ass

>so like it fucking was
Climbing, shooting, force power. The rest she hast o learn. In the movie she is crealry a Mary Sue

>oh but now she's stealing Kylo's schtick
He could stop a laser beam in midair

>Why didn't you just watch the movie? Your movie fucking sucks.
I watched it you retarded fanboy

>>84433199
source o f the clip please

>>84433722
learn how fucking greentexting works you belligerent new faggot
>using fly simulations is not the same than flying a real ship (btw the movie never explained that)
I never mentioned "fly simulations" did I. I mentioned dialogue from the film. The entire "bypassed the compressor" sequence establishes the depth and context of Rey's knowledge of the ship. And again, this is a cinematic universe where slave babies and moisture farmers fly spaceships with ease. Complaining that she they didn't crash in the first act escape sequence because they didn't stop the movie to explain how dope of a pilot Rey is, only indicates the competence of the film. It only KIND OF spoonfed the character exposition instead of explicitly spoonfeeding it so you got confused.
>Disassemble something is easier than build something together.
English is apparently harder than whatever gook language you wish you where talking.
>She is a scrap collector not a mechanic
She's a mechanic. Again, compressor sequence establishes that she's been doing mechanical work on spaceships for a long time.

Keep on grasping.

>Doesnt look like it. He got his ass kicked
Watch the movie faggot.

>I watched it. It explained jackshit. For expample why she can fly a ship
Watch the movie faggot. Leave this board too.

>ow the fuck can she now military tactics if she was just born on a desert olanet and lived as a scrap collector?
How the fuck can you now english when you where born in some desert village? I'd ask what the fuck "military tactics" you're talking about but I don't give a shit. You're clearly differently-abled.
>The rest she hast o learn.
Lol there's a reason you're living in some gook hut somewhere, NOT working on or writing movies. What is mise en scene? What is exposition? We clearly see that her character already learned how to fight and already knew how to fly, as one would after spending over a decade on a hostile desert planet. ur thick mate. kys

>>84433722
>He could stop a laser beam in midair
Yeah. He was powerful and cocky. His arrogance is why Rey learned about everything when he tried to mindfuck her. His arrogance is why Rey hurt him and escaped when he was trying to capture her.
>I watched it you retarded fanboy
mewling nigger I'm a fairweather fan. You're saying things that are objectively incorrect. You're parroting old memes.

>>84434100
>earn how fucking greentexting works you belligerent new faggot
Fuck off

>I never mentioned "fly simulations" did I. I mentioned dialogue from the film. The entire "bypassed the compressor" sequence establishes the depth and context of Rey's knowledge of the ship. And again, this is a cinematic universe where slave babies and moisture farmers fly spaceships with ease.

the difference is episode 1 was bad and in episode 4 it was established that Luke is a good pilot. He had other shortcomings instead (didn't know how to fight)

>Complaining that she they didn't crash in the first act escape sequence because they didn't stop the movie to explain how dope of a pilot Rey is, only indicates the competence of the film. It only KIND OF spoonfed the character exposition instead of explicitly spoonfeeding it so you got confused.

1/10 trolling

>English is apparently harder than whatever gook language you wish you where talking.

not an argument

> She's a mechanic. Again, compressor sequence establishes that she's been doing mechanical work on spaceships for a long time.

How does this explain that she knows more about the M Falcon than Han Solo?


> Watch the movie faggot.
I watched and it didnt expalin alot. Stop sucking JJ`s dick

>>84434100

>Watch the movie faggot. Leave this board too.
Not an argument retard. Learn how to make arguments

>How the fuck can you now english when you where born in some desert village? I'd ask what the fuck "military tactics" you're talking about but I don't give a shit. You're clearly differently-abled.

Luke lived on a desert planet and he got his ass kicked several times

Lol there's a reason you're living in some gook hut somewhere, NOT working on or writing movies. What is mise en scene? What is exposition? We clearly see that her character already learned how to fight and already knew how to fly, as one would after spending over a decade on a hostile desert planet. ur thick mate. Kys

WHERE ist he exposition for her flying skills? For her skills as a lightsaber user? Her skills in using the force? Her knowledge in understanding droids and Wookie?

>>84434488
WHERE ist the exposition for her flying skills? For her skills as a lightsaber user? Her skills in using the force? Her knowledge in understanding droids and Wookie?

>>84418113
How the fuck is Hermione a Mary Sue? Harry is the Mary Sue in that series.

>>84434635
lets say Harry is worse than Hermione

>>84417196
>main character
>Mary sue
Expecting anything more is fairly stupid.

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>>84434461
>Fuck off
no u
>the difference is episode 1 was bad and in episode 4 it was established that Luke is a good pilot.
In episode 4 it was "established" in a throwaway line. They're all sues. It isn't unfathomable that a person that spent their entire life working on spaceships would know how to fly them. Particularly in the Star Wars universe. Particularly when they're the fucking protagonist.

y o u r e t r y i n g t o o h a r d

>He had other shortcomings instead (didn't know how to fight)
Yeah he was wish fulfillment for nerds in the 70s. He starts as a poindexter water farmer that finds out he's space magic, saves the princess, and captures the hidden fortress.
>1/10 trolling
Not everyone that points out that you're stupid is trolling you youngfriend.
>not an argument
You didn't make one so I made fun of your disability. Cry more m8.
>How does this explain that she knows more about the M Falcon than Han Solo?
She literally knows more about what Plutt, her boss, did to Falcon. Watch the fucking movie dude. He added a compressor. She said she at the time thought it was a bad idea, which Han agrees with her. You keep saying you saw it but then you keep clearly evidencing that you didn't. You're just a meme parrot.
>I watched and it didnt expalin alot.
lol alot. maybe the gook subs on the cam you torrented weren't clear enough.
>Stop sucking JJ`s dick
stop being a tryhard faggot that wants to rewrite film criticism to excuse the fact that you didn't like that the protagonist was a girl. The movie was ok. Your impotent attempt at film criticism isn't. Learn more and watch the fucking movies you're staring at.
>Not an argument retard. Learn how to make arguments
lol irony

>>84423097
Ultimately this. People who claim that Luke controlled the missile using the Force forget that it was the Rebel plan to fly down the Death Star trench at a perpendicular angle, telling us that every 'bomber' had the potential to make the shot. The missiles were obviously guided, but launching them accurately was difficult because of the high speeds that the X-Wings were flying at, and the size of the port hole.

Luke is told to let go and put his faith in the Force. As a character, it was him taking his first steps into understanding the undercurrent of life and fate in the galaxy.

>>84418349

She's black

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>>84434488
>Luke lived on a desert planet and he got his ass kicked several times

Luke lived in American Graffiti in space. In went to space high school and was raised in a stable family on a safe compound. Rey was an indentured servant that was raised by an exploitative monster. He was a spoiled baby-boomer nerd fantasy surrogate. Don't be thick.

>WHERE ist he exposition for her flying skills?
Literally spent her whole life working on spaceships. There's an entire sequence of dialogue where she evidences that she has an advanced knowledge of the Falcon, which was her last choice ride.

ALSO LEARN GREENTEXTING

>For her skills as a lightsaber user?
She's good at hitting people with a staff. She's ok at using a light saber to not get hit by a light saber. What's your autism?

> Her skills in using the force?
A: She grew up right next to the Church of the Force. Jedi lore is mythical.
B: It was made abundantly Kylo Ren had tried to get into her mind and accidentally opened himself up to such an extent that she learned his deepest insecurity. Then she tries a mind trick and it works. Not exactly rocket surgery.

>Her knowledge in understanding droids and Wookie?
Now you're just being silly. Are you unironically autistic?

>>84417196
>Stay away from tv for 6 months.
>Come back and the first thread is "Rey is Mary Sue"

Its good to know that the universe is indeed a well ordered and entirely predictable place.

>>84435591

>In episode 4 it was "established" in a throwaway line. They're all sues. It isn't unfathomable that a person that spent their entire life working on spaceships would know how to fly them. Particularly in the Star Wars universe. Particularly when they're the fucking protagonist.

Luke had weak points, but not Rey because she is an "independent woman"

>Yeah he was wish fulfillment for nerds in the 70s. He starts as a poindexter water farmer that finds out he's space magic, saves the princess, and captures the hidden fortress.

and it was still better than the shit Disney produced. There was at least a journey for the main character

>Not everyone that points out that you're stupid is trolling you youngfriend.
oh so you meant this shit serious?

>You didn't make one so I made fun of your disability. Cry more m8.
lol you are a retard

>She literally knows more about what Plutt, her boss, did to Falcon. Watch the fucking movie dude. He added a compressor. She said she at the time thought it was a bad idea, which Han agrees with her. You keep saying you saw it but then you keep clearly evidencing that you didn't. You're just a meme parrot.

Was she on the M Falcon before? Did she ever repaired something on the M Falcon before? Where is your evidence in the movie?

>lol alot. maybe the gook subs on the cam you torrented weren't clear enough.
where?
your proof? Tell me where it is in the movie

>stop being a tryhard faggot that wants to rewrite film criticism to excuse the fact that you didn't like that the protagonist was a girl. The movie was ok. Your impotent attempt at film criticism isn't. Learn more and watch the fucking movies you're staring at.

lol is that your arument? I She is a badly written character just like Anakin

>lol irony

cant find any proof if good arguments on your side

>>84435798
>Luke lived in American Graffiti in space. In went to space high school and was raised in a stable family on a safe compound. Rey was an indentured servant that was raised by an exploitative monster. He was a spoiled baby-boomer nerd fantasy surrogate. Don't be thick.

because Mary Sue Ray needs a tragic background. Being helpless in some regard is not feminist enough.

>Literally spent her whole life working on spaceships. There's an entire sequence of dialogue where she evidences that she has an advanced knowledge of the Falcon, which was her last choice ride.

more than Han Solo who used the ship longer than Rey lived? dont be ridiculous

>She's good at hitting people with a staff. She's ok at using a light saber to not get hit by a light saber. What's your autism?

a light saber is something different than a normal staff you idiot. And why the fuck did she use a staff against people who could use pistols against her?

>A: She grew up right next to the Church of the Force. Jedi lore is mythical.
B: It was made abundantly Kylo Ren had tried to get into her mind and accidentally opened himself up to such an extent that she learned his deepest insecurity. Then she tries a mind trick and it works. Not exactly rocket surgery.

C: Mary Sue

>Now you're just being silly. Are you unironically autistic?
in the old movies where was C-3PO who translated R2D2

>>84417282
can someone link me the youtube video this is referencing pls?

>>84435960
>Luke had weak points, but not Rey because she is an "independent woman"
Rey had weak points. You're ignoring them because, as you've now made clear, you're an sjw-right politicsfag desperately seeking any way to whine about the movie other than that you're a closet faggot and women make you uncomfortable.
> There was at least a journey for the main character
There's unambiguously a "journey" for Rey. You're being such a silly boy. I feel like a real dip even using my time to respond.
>oh so you meant this shit serious?
We're talking about disney kids movies. I'm not lying to myself about a movie and skewing my ability to watch a film because of a retarded political agenda like you seem to be. I just like movie production. And arguing with kids with personality disorders like you.
>lol you are a retard
NOT AN ARGUMENET LELE
>Was she on the M Falcon before?
unambiguously. Watch the movie.
>Where is your evidence in the movie?
read the thread
>your proof?
of what?
>Tell me where it is in the movie
I think I did. are you russian?
>She is a badly written character just like Anakin
Eh she's a pretty well executed character. Granted they did the whole "show, don't tell" with most of her exposition, which apparently threw you off. And Anakin is one of the worst characters in film history. False equivalence.

Why are you trying so hard? Why are you so triggered by a kids movie?

>>84419092
>the influx of muggle-borns is going to be the downfall of pure wizard blood and the end of magic as their world knows it
/wizardpol/ please go.

>>84436328

>>84436328
>Rey had weak points. You're ignoring them because, as you've now made clear, you're an sjw-right politicsfag desperately seeking any way to whine about the movie other than that you're a closet faggot and women make you uncomfortable.

what are her weak points?

>There's unambiguously a "journey" for Rey. You're being such a silly boy. I feel like a real dip even using my time to respond.

yes go from A to B. She doesnt need training, she already kicked Kylo Ren`s ass

>We're talking about disney kids movies. I'm not lying to myself about a movie and skewing my ability to watch a film because of a retarded political agenda like you seem to be.

since when is this an excuse for a shitty rehashed story?

>unambiguously. Watch the movie.
Where? for how long that she knows more about it than Han Solo?

>read the thread
it was so vague that its not existed

>Eh she's a pretty well executed character. Granted they did the whole "show, don't tell" with most of her exposition, which apparently threw you off. And Anakin is one of the worst characters in film history. False equivalence.

they did show but didnt expalin alot like her flying skills (the excuse cam in form of the book)

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>>84436123
>because Mary Sue Ray needs a tragic background.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, on account of your poor mastery of the English language.
>Being helpless in some regard is not feminist enough.
Again with your sjw shit. The entire point of the movie is that her being strong and aint needing no man has left her alone and miserable on a junk planet for her entire life. She escapes Jakku only with the help of Finn. I get that it may be hard to translate into gook, but the character primarily has INTERNAL CONFLICT that autistic people like you may not understand.
>more than Han Solo who used the ship longer than Rey lived?
She knows more about the compressor, that thing that was put in after Han Solo lost custody of his ship. ARE YOU BEING STUPID ON PURPOSE?! CAN YOU NOT EVEN READ ENGLISH?
>dont be ridiculous
watch the fucking movie
>a light saber is something different than a normal staff you idiot.
yep
>And why the fuck did she use a staff against people who could use pistols against her?
got her there lol

are you doing ok anon? Do you really think "knows conversational Wookie" is a complaint worth the breath? Look at where your goalposts are now. If ever there was proof of TFA's general competence, it's the overwhelming incompetence of it's critics.

You're a ridiculous person and I hope you're just a genius level troll acting like a retard, and not an actual retard. But I think you may be an actual retard.

And take your sjw faggot shit to /pol/ you tribalist unfuckable nigger.

>>84419517

At least Milla is a cute.

>>84418113
I could take no-knowledge of the force chosen one.

I could take garbage-genius who can teach Han solo about his ship.

But I couldn't take both.

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Better a likable Mary Sue than a spoiled. entitled, impatient Man child

Then again. perhaps that's why millennials identify with the prequels and specifically, Anakin

>>84436642
didn't read lol. Gonna go play videogames and smoke pot.

You're probably going to spend your whole life frustrated and I'm sorry for that.

>>84436656
hey genius internalized conflict maybe be interesting to people think about films but to the average moving going audience they need to be told whats happening. basically the screenwriters tried so hard to make her invinsible and not a damsel in distress in any way that they created a female character that is so unrealistic she becomes a cardboard cut out for agenda being pushed, namely that women are strong and dont need men.

>>84436731
>I could take garbage-genius who can teach Han solo about his ship.
She told him about something that her boss did to his ship that he would have had no way of knowing about. What do you mean by this?

>>84417282
MaRey?
How do you say that?
Like a Moray Eel?
What's Rey have to do with eels?

>>84436595
order of the penis go home

the dark lord doesn't want you here

>>84436775
>hey genius internalized conflict maybe be interesting to people think about films but to the average moving going audience they need to be told whats happening
they fucking where. Everyone got the movie but you and your belligerent autism m8. At least you admit you're a knownothing pleb though.
>basically the screenwriters tried so hard to make her invinsible
By having her constantly almost getting killed lol
> agenda being pushed,
lol and what would you say you're doing.
>namely that women are strong and dont need men.
The entire point of the movie is that she's a lonely orphan that gets an adopted family. The entire point of the movie is that having that kind of mindset, as she did in the first act, IS BAD. Her whole arc is learning to overcome her wariness of strangers and desire to be on her own.

WHY

DIDNT

YOU

WANT

THE

MOVIE

Stop being an sjw. Stop being a parrot. Stop being a faggot.

>>84421870
>The Force Awakens is Bollywood level of cinema.

If only. At least then the girls would be qt and it would much funnier.

>>84436656
>Again with your sjw shit.
swj? was sarcastic you idiot.

>The entire point of the movie is that her being strong and aint needing no man has left her alone and miserable on a junk planet for her entire life.

where do you get that?

She escapes Jakku only with the help of Finn. I get that it may be hard to translate into gook, but the character primarily has INTERNAL CONFLICT that autistic people like you may not understand.

she was the one who used the M Falcon to escape

>She knows more about the compressor, that thing that was put in after Han Solo lost custody of his ship. ARE YOU BEING STUPID ON PURPOSE?! CAN YOU NOT EVEN READ ENGLISH?

he knew what that thing was and how it worked. Did Ray installed the compressor? how does she know where it is located?

>are you doing ok anon? Do you really think "knows conversational Wookie" is a complaint worth the breath? Look at where your goalposts are now. If ever there was proof of TFA's general competence, it's the overwhelming incompetence of it's critics.

Han Solo understood Chewbacca but not Luke

>You're a ridiculous person and I hope you're just a genius level troll acting like a retard, and not an actual retard. But I think you may be an actual retard.

weird i thought the same about you

>>84437060
>swj? I was sarcastic you idiot.

>>84418113
>luke skywalker
>mary sue
nigga please, dude was failing left and right and overcame adversity. lost his adoptive family and home and got his fucking hand cut off by his dad trying to convert him.

a mary sue is someone that doesnt have to struggle to overcome serious adversity. theyre often unaware or unrealstically domineering over their predicament and seem disconnected from any sense of danger or trouble and often solve said danger with a ridiculously simple solution to them. the definition is really that they are "too perfect" to be interesting.

Wesley Crusher is a Mary Sue. Rey is a Mary Sue. I can even understand a lot of James Bond movies where he takes down the villian too easily and the illusion of danger just isn't enough to make the movie interesting, or the danger is so insanely ridiculous that its laughable how easy Bond saves the day.

>>84436950
>they fucking where.
no, they weren't. show me where in the film its explained she is looking for a replacement family of any sort. her character is completely flawless genius level skills and foresight not even a hypercharged male lead would be that phony and unreal -- even superman has a weakness
>By having her constantly almost getting killed lol
except she escapes and is never in any danger
>lol and what would you say you're doing.
normalization and wanting values that build and maintain society is pushing an agenda? ...ok. lol
>The entire point of the movie is that she's a lonely orphan that gets an adopted family.
no the point is that she is about to go on another journey and possibly find out the story of her real family. she didnt even console chewbacca, yeah some family

>>84437146
Anakin Skywalker in the prequels was also a massive Mary Sue, especially in Episode 1. WE wuz medichlorians n shit, solves a fatal podracing problem like a boss and pilots a ship saving everyones ass with no experience whatsoever. Only by Episode 3 we actually see him become slightly interesting due to finally seeing his character struggle within and he finally starts making mistakes that aren't "oops i broke my lightsuber lul obi give me urs."

>>84437265
THE CHOSEN ONE

BIGGEST MIDICLHORIAN COUNT EVER REGISTERED

EVEN BIGGEST THAN MASTER YODA

>>84436734
>Better a likable Mary Sue than a spoiled. entitled, impatient Man child
What qualities does she have that make her likable other than just being a super competent mary sue? Anakin and Rey were both shit, and TFA was a boring rehash of A New Hope that shouldn't exist.

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>>84437469
If you didn't find this endearing as hell you may be actually autistic

Rey's entire introduction is a genius bit of filmmaking and tells us a ton about the character without needing any dialogue, it's character building through visuals. George couldn't build characters or his world without relying on excessively inane exposition.

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>>84436734
Empathy for others
Charm in her character
The ability to sell to the audience that even tho she was abandoned and forced to fend for herself. She still dreamed of getting off Jaku

>>84437060
>where do you get that?
from the movie
>she was the one who used the M Falcon to escape
learn how greentexting works. It's made explicitly clear in the sequence that it's only through her and Finn working together are they able to kill the ships chasing them. Literally and figuratively she was only able to escape Jakku when she became willing to make friends.
>he knew what that thing was and how it worked. Did Ray installed the compressor? how does she know where it is located?
Han Solo: Hey! Some moof-milker put a compressor on the ignition line.
Rey: Unkar Plutt did. I thought it was a mistake, too. Puts too much...
Han Solo, Rey: ...stress on the hyperdrive.

What part of this dialogue was uclear to you? Where exactly are you from originally? I'm not asking to bully I'm legitimately curious. The whole "compressor" dialogue is a great example of covering a ton of expositional ground in as little dialogue as possible.

Seriously what is your first language?

>Han Solo understood Chewbacca but not Luke
Luke was a sheltered moisture farmer that Han Solo didn't really like. Rey grew up in a junk market clearly casually interacting with every kind of crazy space monster.
>weird i thought the same about you
oh shit bruh sick burn. Seriously are you German?

>>84436734
>likeable mary sue
no such thing.

only an sjw would clamour over rey as the most important character to ever be put into a star wars movie, and its entirely due to an ulterior motive - they want women to be featured more as the main characters and for them not to have to overcome problems because it's "triggering" to women.

anakin is only tolerable (and I say that loosely) because we know what is going to happen to him. anyone watching the prequels for the first time not having seen the original is wondering who the fuck the main character is (is it darth maul? Yeah thats what the movie is called, right?) until someone has to point it out that it's the braniac medichlorian wizurd.

>>84437587
>Empathy for others
she only cared about the stupid robot

>>84437583
lol, snap

good taste, Sir

>>84436734
>>84437618
And by overcome problems, I mean realistically. Struggling. Almost failing and the audience empathizing with them and cheering for them in the process.

>>84437628
>stupid robot

Caring for an object that you have labelled inferior shows that she has the capacity to care a great deal more for other sentient beings

>>84437700
its not sentient though its a useless doird meant to carry information and thats it. normal people dont pretend animals and robots are human, ya know, cus theyre not

>>84437195
>no, they weren't. show me where in the film its explained she is looking for a replacement family of any sort.
She's literally counting the days on Jakku waiting for her family to return. She only leaves after everything she was holding onto is blown up and she has to. At the end it's clearly telegraphed that she's finally found some kind of friend unit with Han offering her the job and her and Finn's friendship etc dude what the fuck am I explaining the plot for WATCH THE FUCKING MOVIE.
>her character is completely flawless genius level skills and foresight not even a hypercharged male lead would be that phony and unreal -- even superman has a weakness
WATCH

THE

MOVIE

WHAT

COUNTRY

ARE

YOU

FROM

>except she escapes and is never in any danger

THE PROTAGONIST IS ONLY A MARY SUE IF THEY FUCKING DIE

>normalization and wanting values that build and maintain society is pushing an agenda?

YES VERY MUCH WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU SCHIZOTYPAL WEIRDO? It's a fucking kids movie. You're a lunatic sjw.

Seriously what exactly is your major problem?

>>84437721
>other sentient beings

I am referring to other lifeforms
Who's stupid now?

>>84437583
That hole segment of the movie told me nothing about her personality other than she's supposed to be a lonely scavenger. Throughout the rest of the movie her interactions with other characters don't reflect her origins at all, so no I didn't find Rey endearing. She doesn't ever talk about having high aspirations like Luke and even said she plans to go back to Jakku, we know very little about what her goals are and why.

>>84437837
whole*

>>84437825
yeah being indiferent to actual people but having a capacity for robots mean 1) shes a child 2) is mentally deficient in some way

>>84437600
>from the movie
where?

>It's made explicitly clear in the sequence that it's only through her and Finn working together are they able to kill the ships chasing them. Literally and figuratively she was only able to escape Jakku when she became willing to make friends.

it wouldnt surprise me if she would had used her flying skills to escape. I think Finn depended more on Rey than Rey depended on Finn

>Han Solo: Hey! Some moof-milker put a compressor on the ignition line.
>Rey: Unkar Plutt did. I thought it was a mistake, too. Puts too much...
>Han Solo, Rey: ...stress on the hyperdrive.
>What part of this dialogue was uclear to you? Where exactly are you from originally? I'm not asking to bully I'm legitimately curious. The whole "compressor" dialogue is a great example of covering a ton of expositional ground in as little dialogue as possible.

seems like the Star Wars universe doesnt need engineers if scrap collectors like Ray know everything about ships.

>Luke was a sheltered moisture farmer that Han Solo didn't really like. Rey grew up in a junk market clearly casually interacting with every kind of crazy space monster.

thats your assumption that has little base in the movie like alot of things regarding Rey. Its poorly explained at best

>>84437877
>indiferent to actual people

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

>>84437811
its never established in the film that she longs to have a family. she was perectly content with leaving han and finn to go back to her planet for some stupid reason as if she thought her legitmate family would return even though she doent have a clear understanding of why they left in the first place. its completely stupid and set up all wrong

you are stupid you like shitty films aimed at sjw nu males fuck you

>>84437998
he even posts like a nu male

>>84437837
You may be genuinely autistic because you can't discern clearly communicated personality traits and motivations unless they are explicitly spelled out to you through exposition.

>>84437912
do you know ANY women in a war like situation who would fight if a guy came to save them and grabbed their hand? no seriously this is a legitimate question. the anwser is NONE. not even the strongest bravest woman would say "stop holding my hand" not just once but twice to clarify she is NOT a damsel in distress

its so unrealistic and phony i dont even know where to begin

this is not a good role model for girls

>>84434635
Rowling literally admits she was a self insert

>>84437618
>who the fuck the main character is

I think we have all seen the RLM review of the prequels so there's no need for you to reheat their words and try and pass them off as your own idea

>only an sjw

Thanks for pigeon-holing me and making the wrong assumption in the process

>>84417196
So were Luke and Anakin

>>84438132
Luke was a fucking pussy until the last 20 minutes of rotj

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>>84437811
super nintendo bait im replying to but
>is already ridiculously resourceful and perfect in surviving in a hostile climate
>no explanation or background of how she became that way or her struggle to become an adult
>literally spidermans through wreckage and arguably never shows any sign of fragileness or imperfectness of humanity (regret, remorse, empathy, depression, sadness, anger, greed, sloth, pride, lust, etc.)
>the only "adversity" rey faces is getting just 1 quarter shekel from the greedy jew
>literally her only problem is grinding experience to level up in a poor desert town
>appears to be ready to unfurl as a character having grown up in a shitty land but then literally has a miracle fall into her lap and she knows exactly what to do in every situation from then on out.
Replace Rey with a male character and see just how progressively boring they become throughout the movie.

>>84438124
The fuck are you talking about, I never said I was passing anything off as my own idea or what rlm is

What is this bait

if you really think Rey was interesting then you, actually, are the one who is austitic.

this review is making people chimp out its great

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>>84438086
I refer you to my previous answer
>forced to fend for herself

Why should she need a man to resolve a situation when she can batter the fuck out of 2 thugs all by herself and the "man" can only shout, "hey" to try and stop them

>>84437905
>where?
already more then explained in this thread. She was alone and defensive and literally counting the days waiting for her family to come back. The movie ends with her having new friends and flying off to train with the last jedi. It's what the fucking movie is. You'd know if you fucking watched it.
>seems like the Star Wars universe doesnt need engineers if scrap collectors like Ray know everything about ships.
k. Baby anakin made C-3PO easy breasy. A moisture farmer had access to fighter jets to shoot at swamp rats. It's a fantastical universe. Are you actually autistic?
>Its poorly explained at best
k. Good argument. I'm not sure why you being not great at keeping up with a kids movie is something you think you need to broadcast. I think there are certainly things that TFA underexplains, the Rey subtext was not one of them. The first act, Rey's intro sequence with essentially zero dialogue, was wonderfully executed and established her entire character and her entire character's arc. Watch the movie.
>>84437998
>its never established in the film that she longs to have a family.
other than the part where she's literally counting the days for her family to come back. Other than the flashback that shows her being torn away from her family by Plutt. Other than the entire fucking blatant subtext of the movie.
>she was perectly content with leaving han and finn to go back to her planet for some stupid reason
BECAUSE SHE IS WAITING THERE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LEFT HER THERE.
> as if she thought her legitmate family would return
yeah.
> even though she doent have a clear understanding of why they left in the first place.
yep
> its completely stupid
oh but wait a goddamn second I thought she was literally perfect. Thank you so much for walking me through my own point.
>you are stupid you like shitty films aimed at sjw nu males fuck you
lol triggered. I like plenty of films. You hate kids movies because you're in an sjw cult.

>>84438077
She's a shitty character who was given an intentionally vague backstory just so they could expand on it in the next film. Her personality isn't interesting nor relateable. The only thing that stood out about her is how she can miraculously solve any problem

>>84438198
>no explanation or background of how she became that way or her struggle to become an adult
plenty of that established in her intro.
>literally spidermans through wreckage
k. never hear anyone complain about male protagonists that know how to climb stuff.
>arguably never shows any sign of fragileness
clearly does
>or imperfectness of humanity
ok now you're being silly. She is clearly sad and lonely and proud and regretful at the beginning. SHE'S LITERALLY COUNTING THE DAYS.
>ppears to be ready to unfurl as a character having grown up in a shitty land but then literally has a miracle fall into her lap and she knows exactly what to do in every situation from then on out.
RUN AAWAY.

>>84438266
Who is getting vexed over a female character here?

You may call it autism
My generation called it maturity

>>84417196
What do you expect, when you are a clone of the emperor.

>>84437600
>already more then explained in this thread. She was alone and defensive and literally counting the days waiting for her family to come back. The movie ends with her having new friends and flying off to train with the last jedi. It's what the fucking movie is. You'd know if you fucking watched it.
>other than the part where she's literally counting the days for her family to come back. Other than the flashback that shows her being torn away from her family by Plutt. Other than the entire fucking blatant subtext of the movie.

ok and how does she survive on a hostile desert planat that way?

>Baby anakin made C-3PO easy breasy. A moisture farmer had access to fighter jets to shoot at swamp rats. It's a fantastical universe. Are you actually autistic?

you are using the prwquels to defend Rehash Awakens? You are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. I stated already that Anakin is as much as an Gary Sue as Ray is a Mary sue

>Good argument. I'm not sure why you being not great at keeping up with a kids movie is something you think you need to broadcast. I think there are certainly things that TFA underexplains, the Rey subtext was not one of them. The first act, Rey's intro sequence with essentially zero dialogue, was wonderfully executed and established her entire character and her entire character's arc. Watch the movie.

It seems like not to understand what an well-balanced character is. And i dont have a problem if she is skilled as an pilot or if she knows alot about ships but she has alomost no weak points expect maybe being a bitch (but people still like her)

>>84437587
>empthy for others
You mean saving a droid? And even then she is aggressive with no motive and tells the droid to shut up. The moment she finally allows the droid to follow her is the peak of her humanity showing in the movie, and that's just fucking depressing.
>charm in her character
literally none, its all based on her looks and perfectness
>ability to sell the audience
Disney sold you, is what you mean. The tiny bit of adversity she faces from the greedy fuck for poritions and she shows no opinion of the effect it has on her and we root for her regardless as she becomes a literal wesley crusher for the rest of the movie. She doesn't go into a confession of her desires and dreams to leave Jaku, it's always all left up to the viewer to imagine whatever the fuck they want, which is never a good thing to have for a main character unless there is a massive twist at the end that lets their true character shine. And it never happens. We are all going into the second movie knowing that she struggled on a desert planet for food but survived just fine thats it. About as much character depth as a stick.

>>84438521
yeah new friends doesn't mean a metaphorical family for the one she lost/is searching for. Holy fuck you must be autistic

Look at that post didn't even read it and won't LMAO

>>84438695
It would had made her a Mary Sue character if she knew a lot of ships if she would had weak points in other fields (maybe combat)

>>84438629
>plenty of that established in her intro.
explain. all I got that she is a badass on a desert planet that has everything already figured out and magically got a ride off and already knows all about the wars from the previous movies including the millenium falcon.
>k. never hear anyone complain about male protagonists that know how to climb stuff.
Yet they will still slip and fuck themselves up with an injury, or fall. They will cuss and show some form of internal struggle being externally presented so that we can see they are striving towards a goal, even if temporary.
>clearly does
[again, citation needed]
>ok now you're being silly. She is clearly sad and lonely and proud and regretful at the beginning. SHE'S LITERALLY COUNTING THE DAYS.
It's all inferred. Doesn't mean shit. Ever seen Cast Away where he did the same shit with a fraction of the marks? We saw him fucking lose his mind externally. This girl literally has no communication other than in the market and is an expert at it, and somehow doesnt give a shit about being alone. Even movies with a secluded male protagonist have them talk to themselves to show that they desire company, it gives indications of their true character.
>RUN AAWAY
? If you really are weaponizably autistic and not just stupid I'm really waiting for it.

>>84438521
>BECAUSE SHE IS WAITING THERE FOR LEFT HER THERE
all she knows is that her family left her. shes counting down the days shes been there to keep her mind sane. she has absolutely zero reason to stay on the planet and belief they will come back for her, especially after 20 plus years or however long it was. her motivation is suppose overshadow Han and finns. Like "hey Rey wanna come with us to find Luke sky walker and save the galaxy?"
"No my family might come back"
Hans like uh sure they will?

Its so dumb and forced to make her look determined but her motivation makes no sense

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>>84438521
>using a mary sue character to confirm that rey isnt a mary sue
good one

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>>84438745
>just fucking depressing.

I hope the self harming scars are permanent


>perfectness
Are you fumbling to say better a written character?


>we root for her regardless
Yep, because she was short changed in that scene

Listen to the dialogue instead of the voices in your head
>it's always all left up to the viewer to imagine whatever the fuck they want

Thanks for confirming the point I made here
>>84436734
You feel entitled to know the whole story and get impatient for not knowing it and direct you frustration at the female character

Suck it up, buttercup

>>84439078
bait

dont fall for it lads

>>84428057
>luke does a mind trick in rotj
After training with Yoda
>luke used telekinesis in the beginning of esb
Takes him a ton of concentration and effort, barely gets it, Rey is able to use telekinesis easily to get the lightsaber from very far away
It upsets me that since you posted this so long ago you probably won't see this response and go on living like you're in the right

>>84438695
>ok and how does she survive on a hostile desert planat that way?
watch the movie to find out m8 what the fuck? Are you doing a work sheet for your middle school or something? She was living in an AT-AT working for Plutt. We see her scavenging and fighting and getting barked at and ripped off and defending against monsters to save BB-8 with the stick. Are you literally autistic?
>you are using the prwquels to defend Rehash Awakens?
referencing the cinematic universe the Rehash Awakens exists in.
>You are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
said the girl pivoting from the point she won't address.
>I stated already that Anakin is as much as an Gary Sue as Ray is a Mary sue
I already stated they all are and the only people that unironically say talk about the Mary Sue meme are /pol/fag cultist knownothings that want to whine about the girl protagonist without saying it.

Not only are you stupid. You're a fucking coward too.

>>84438774
Keep going you're doing a good job.

>>84438958
great job. crushing it.

>>84439014
I'm reading it all you're doing great.

>>84439076
they're all mary sues. that's part of the point. Mary Sue is a meaningless codeword that has been repurposes by dipshits that want to whine about kids movies marketing to boys AND girls.

>>84439150
where is it implied or stated her family would come back for her?

>>84439197
explicit dialogue m8 watch the movie

>can use a jedi mindtrick and knows about them for reasons unexplained
>can use telekinesis without prior knowledge or even practice
>beats the main villain in a duel after picking up a lightsaber for the first time in her life
>can fly the Falcon like a pro for inexplicable reasons
>can repair the Falcon for inexplicable reasons
>impresses everyone she meets and gets praise and a job offer from Han and Chewie
>Leia even hugs her despite barely knowing her at all
she is objectively a very lazily written mary sue

>>84439113
The old
>This is challenging my world view, so I'll label them instead of actually responding and run away like a coward
Tactic

How Manly
I bet women are beating a path to your door

>>84439150
why should this movie be marketed towards girls? what about star wars do you think appeals to the mass audience of females on average?
>>84439218
where in the movie is it implied or stated?

>rey was a Mary Sue
>200+ replies

Everytime. You faggots just can't help yourselves.

>>84439230

...I'm gay.

>>84439271
its also the review that has people upset

>>84439271

It's literally just one person (probably the OP) creating a chain of replies.

>>84439150
>watch the movie to find out m8 what the fuck? Are you doing a work sheet for your middle school or something? She was living in an AT-AT working for Plutt. We see her scavenging and fighting and getting barked at and ripped off and defending against monsters to save BB-8 with the stick. Are you literally autistic?

from the wiki:
Rey worked for Unkar directly until she began coordinating with other scavengers. The young teen eventually struck out on her own, becoming one of the best scavengers on Jakku. Because of that, Unkar's thugs had orders to make sure she was left alone.[7]
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unkar_Plutt

how did she survive alone? Why didnt the movie showed us how she worked with other scavengers? That would had made her less of a Mary Sue

>referencing the cinematic universe the Rehash Awakens exists in.

still a bad argument. We all know that the prequels are badly written

>I already stated they all are and the only people that unironically say talk about the Mary Sue meme are /pol/fag cultist knownothings that want to whine about the girl protagonist without saying it.

Rey is worse than Luke no doubt. At the beginning of episode 4 he was useless. Obiwan had to save him several times

>Not only are you stupid. You're a fucking coward too.
lol retard

>>84439289
If you really are gay and haven't "come out"
It would explain your hatred of women

>>84439390

Oh no, I'm very much out. I hate women because they are shallow pieces of shit. I interact with them all the time. If you are dating a woman, she is fucking someone else on the side, guaranteed.

>>84439267
>why should this movie be marketed towards girls?
because they're 50% of people? Jesus christ m8.
>what about star wars do you think appeals to the mass audience of females on average?
Wish fulfillment fantasy is wish fulfillment fantasy. Are you asking this shit rhetorically or are you actually just stupid?
>>84439267
Not doing homework because all you're capable of doing is arguments from ignorance. She explicitly says she's staying there waiting for the people that left her there. She explicitly says she needs to stay on Jakku because of that. She is LITERALLY COUNTING THE DAYS. Fuck you dude. Watch the fucking movie and be less of a hystical sjw cunt.

>>84439441
if she isnt fucking someone she has two guys already lined up

>>84439449
>She explicitly says she's staying there waiting for the people that left her there.
I know WHY she is staying there but her reasoning beyond a faint belief theyd return isnt strong motivation. its never established theyd return so her saying she has to go back MAKES NO SENSE. how are you not getting this
>Wish fulfillment fantasy is wish fulfillment fantasy.
umm, do you know many women in real life? they do not have fantasies about light saber battles or resucing princesses

you are so fucking out of touch holy shit.

>>84439390
>>84439462

Another incorrect assumption
I'm 35, married and own my home

You guys are merely demonstrating and amplifying what happens to yourselves when you manage to get a partner
You simply can't keep them and they fuck other people because you're boring

>>84439462
>implying Chewie didn't recommend her to Han so he could take a shot her first

>>84439589

Tits or gtfo.

>Luke is a Mary Sue

Luke was stubborn and impatient. And it cost him a hand.

>>84439589
do you have any kids? plans to have kids?

>>84439658
Show me the scars on your arm first
Time Stamp and put
/tv
I'm only shitposting about women for lols

Then you can see my tits

>>84439518
>I know WHY she is staying there but her reasoning beyond a faint belief theyd return isnt strong motivation. its never established theyd return so her saying she has to go back MAKES NO SENSE.
To you. Because you're stupid. Remember? We've been over all this.
>how are you not getting this
idk I've seen the movie? I'm not some mewling /pol/ fag desperately seeking a reason to hate a kids movie other than that I'm insecure about the female protagonist.
>umm, do you know many women in real life?
Yes. Do you?
>they do not have fantasies about light saber battles or resucing princesses
Rey didn't rescue a princess. Luke did. That was his fantasy.
>you are so fucking out of touch holy shit.
because I work in production and know a lot about movies and don't get triggered by female protagonists in kids movies? I don't know man. What country do you live in? What language do you speak?

>>84439369
Anyone who claims Luke is a Mary Sue is abysmally ignorant or retarded.
In the beginning of the episode 4 alone:
>shows sloth and empathy; doesnt want to do work but does it reluctantly because he cares about his family
>shows rebellious nature; has true motives from the beginning and wants to leave his "prison" to join the academy with his friends
>doesnt treat droids the same as humans because he knows theyre fucking laborers or information kiosks
>has specific interests that visually pique his interest (the war, the empire and rebellion
>shows a sense of sexuality and tension, has a growing interest in the princess without realizing who she really is but sets it aside because he wants to help her first as she is in distress
>shows immediate uncertainty, fear and distress when faced with danger and is ultimately beaten and subdued by tusken fuckeroonis
>is force gifted yet first weilds a lightsaber like a kindergartener trying to hold a gallon of milk and shows his inexperience in some capacity to master

>>84439798
Why are you interested in kids?

I bet you're a Weeb who has graduated to full blown kiddie porn

>>84439923
Read this and show me Rey's character that is established from the first 1/3rd of the movie and compare.

>>84439923
define Mary Sue

>>84439923
i agree with you. There where a lot of flaws at the beginning of the movie that makes him likeable. Rey doesn't have that

>>84439935
someone with kids wouldnt have internalized their misogyny this much to compensate on an anonymous image board lol

>>84439988
Already did above, see >>84437146

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>>84439827

Done. Tits. Gtfo.

>>84440069
that doesn't define Rey.

>>84439853
why does her staying make sense to you if she has no reason to within the film? do you not understand logic or what?

>>84439589
I'm a thirty foot tall, well adjusted hotdog with the brain of an octopus.

See? I can tell lies on the internet too.

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Is Jyn a good way to do a female Star Wars character unlike Rey?

>>84440103
So would you say she is perfect then?

>>84439988
Someone who impresses everyone they meet, and can easily solve problems for inexplicable reasons just so they can move the plot forward

>>84440125
>why does her staying make sense to you
A: It doesn't make sense to me. It was part of her internal conflict between sitting around waiting for something that likely wont happen, or accepting the hero's call to action. It's a milennial subversion of the ANH boomer subversion of the hero's journey.
B: Are you saying you didn't understand that? Seriously are you actually autistic?
>do you not understand logic or what?
I do. What is your first language?

>>84439136
I'm not defending Rey, I'm criticising the image that was posted. The image says Luke never did a mind trick and that Luke needed years of training to do telekinesis.

>>84440230
nope
>>84440292
>Someone who impresses everyone they mee
she doesn't. most people she meets take advantage of her or bark at her.
>and can easily solve problems for inexplicable reasons just so they can move the plot forward
oh so like a protagonist lol

>>84440063
>internalized their misogyny
Your psychological projection is over flowing

>>84440315
she didnt rise to the challange and make mistakes, her character is a little too flawless and covnicelty capable to have succeeded so effortlessly.
>>84440490
i havent internalized anything. youve been saying with a straight face rey is a believable full realized character when she is nothing but a vehicle for feminist propaganda. i might have been satisfied if she actually showed interest in finn ya know like a real woman would if a man came to save her and steal her away from her boring shitty life.

>>84440315
>It doesn't make sense to me.
if it doesnt make sense to the audience then thats a sign of bad writing! oh wow we came to the conclusion, finally you get it. your day job should be working at a taco bell seriously you are a retard

>>84440444
>Finn wants to be her boyfriend
>Han is impressed with her, says Chewbacca is too and even offers her a job as his first mate
>Leia hugs her despite barely talking to her or even knowing anything about her
>Kylo desperately wants her to join his team
>Leia trusts her enough to send her after Luke

>>84428565
I don't care who or what you are, fuck you. Fuck you for saying shit like that, period.

>>84440545
>she didnt rise to the challange
yes she did
>and make mistakes
yes she did
>her character is a little too flawless
according to you, with your sjw agenda
>and covnicelty capable
what is your first language
>to have succeeded so effortlessly.
far from effortless

why not just watch the movie?

>>84440444
>>84440605
I also forgot about the talking orange that is so impressed it gave her Luke's lightsaber

>>84440444
>>So would you say she is perfect then?
>nope
Okay, then explain to me her flaws. Prove me wrong.
>>84440444
>most people
We literally have a random species creature hit her in the market for a second and then we have the market jewing her out. The single most character developing moment of the movie for her and she shows literally no motive or emotion, as it is entirely left up to the audience how to percieve if she was mad, sad, happy or content. She brings up that her family "will come back, one day" with literally no opinion on the matter.

You can claim that she is simply stoic, but even stoic characters have motives and desires as a main character. The most we get out of her is her flawless decisionmaking to keep the droid rather than sell it for the one thing she ever shows a shred of motive in the movie, a bunch of portions.

>>84440125
>Rey is a mary sue with no flaws
>but her decision to stay is retarded she is so dumb!

the cognitive dissonance among TFA haters is amazing

>>84440626
>yes she did
nope, she was fully equipped and a genius with electronics. no building no character
>yes she did
nope. let the monsters out on the ship but quickly saved everyone and got rid of the guys chasing han for good.
>according to you,
according to anyone who wants a believable lead to project themselves onto and relate to, in other words pretty much everyone who enjoys movies
>far from effortless
its effortless when she did not struggle and have to make any choices

why not shill somewhere else?

>>84440545

I refer you to >>84438498

You're so dense that light bends around you

>>84440792
her reasoning to go back was because of bad writing, doofus, not because its legitimate

>>84440626
>yes she did
[citation needed]
>yes she did
[citation needed]

>>84440605
Star Wars is meaningless bullshit but it's still fucked up that this kind of shit flies and is praised.

>>84440598
>if it doesnt make sense to the audience then thats a sign of bad writing!
nigger you're the only one confused. It was blatantly telegraphed. It was the fucking arc of the goddamn movie.
>oh wow we came to the conclusion, finally you get it.
I got it a long time ago. You're an edgy dipshit.
>our day job should be working at a taco bell seriously you are a retard
Oh so they have Taco Bells in your gook village?
>>84440605
>a bunch of lonely people bond in a 2 hour adventure fantasy movie in space
adventure fantasy is about people in a situation they don't like being swept up into one that is better for them. You complaining that Han had a paternal attraction to her and Finn wanted to fuck her is a pretty strong indicator of the general competence of the movie. You're just complaining about movie tropes because of the protagonist is a girl.
>>84440761
>Prove me wrong.
Suck my dick you desperate faggot. I've been doing that this whole thread. It's not my job to give you your argument dipshit.
>We literally have a random species creature hit her in the market for a second and then we have the market jewing her out.
Yep. What is world building?
>You can claim that she is simply stoic
She isn't. You're retarded. Are you retarded?

tldr for everything else I bow out.

It's a pretty good adventure movie. And it always will be, no matter how much you try and convince yourself.

You don't know what you're talking about, and unfortunately you seem like the type that will never get that either.

>>84440444
Holy shit you're really dumb.

>>84440834
It's the flaw that she overcomes, Rey and Kylo are reflections of each other in that they have hangups about their family and are squandering their true potential because they want to live up to the expectations of those that came before them. Rey finds purpose in her friendship with Finn and Han, and believes in the true spirit of the Force which allows her to grow and succeed, Kylo can't let go of the Vader meme and suffers for it

again

>hurr durr the character didn't make the decision I made so it's bad writing reeeeeeee!

you dumb nigger

>>84440761
>She brings up that her family "will come back, one day" with literally no opinion on the matter.

except the way the line is delivered is clearly meant to show that she's delusional and probably doesn't even believe it herself

>>84441253
Maybe to the the autistic mind that's how you interrupted it

To the rest of us there was musical, framing and facial cues that denoted that she was hopeful that they would return

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>>84441004
hahah damn you are so butthurt

you're showing more character in this post than rey did in the entire movie
>>84441253
That's because it was inferred to you that way and that's how you percieved it. It was never explained that she was delusional, or that she didn't believe it. You don't even know what she thought, which is my point. Others watching that scene wondered if she was joking, if she was serious, they will go "aw how sad" but question what happened regarding her parents. They will question, is the key thing I'm getting at. And nothing regarding the moment is explained.

Now, it's fine if that happens but when all of the characters defining moments are done in that manner it literally makes them a fucking perfect character with a build up to a moment where they snap and their humanity shows, and if it never does then it deflates and becomes really boring as a result.

>>84441004
>You're just complaining about movie tropes because of the protagonist is a girl.
Yeah, it's not at all possible that I might just have high standards since I enjoyed the original trilogy and am disappointed with the soulless cash grab TFA turned out to be, I must just hate female protagonists. You literally don't know anything about me or my opinions other than I thought Rey was a mary sue, fucking moron. I didn't think Rey was a terrible character just because everyone wanted to be her friend that wasn't even my biggest issue with her character, my main gripe with this character is how she easily solved every problem without any explanation given how.
>Rey inexplicably knows how to use jedi mindtricks
>Rey inexplicably knows how to use the force to move objects
>Rey inexplicably knows how to repair the falcon
>Rey inexplicably knows how to pilot the ship like a pro
>Rey inexplicably can beat Kylo in a lightsaber fight despite never using one before or being trained

>>84441475
When you don't know what your main character is thinking or how they'll react or their motivations that's because its bad writing

>>84441004
>Rey isn't stoic
LOL

fuck off already you troll

>>84441575
No, that's poor comprehension on your part.

>Rey needed help from Finn and Chewbacca to barely stand a chance against a heavily wounded Kylo and barely managed to survive and escape

>Luke destroyed the death star in the first movie without breaking a sweat

But yeah, Rey is the mary sue...(lol)

>>84441681
Oh know I can't comphrend an illogical poorly written film ahhhhhhh

>>84441475
>It was never explained that she was delusional, or that she didn't believe it.

Maz literally tells her this:

>Dear child. I see your eyes. You already know the truth. Whomever you're waiting for on Jakku... they're never coming back... But... there's someone who still could.

did you even watch the fucking movie?

>>84441827
Fucking rekt

>>84441794
You can't even comprehend points when they are repeatedly made

>>84441737
>implying Luke didn't get help from Han and the rest of the rebel fleet
Did you even watch the movie or just read the Wikipedia synopsis?

>>84441991
Hans is pretty much the Jar Jar of the original trilogy, he's a joke filler character and he hardly helped at all, it doesn't count

>>84441934
The point was repeatly made that she had no reason to go back when she believe they weren't coming back, yes. See >>84441827

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>>84441589
>Rey isn't stoic
She's not though. Are you just copying RLM stuff?

>>84442021
>implying your post isn't a half assed bait
>implying Finn and Chewie weren't joke characters

>>84441572
none of that shit is inexplicable. You're just reeeing that it's inexplicable and ignoring every time someone attempts to address your points. You're clearly not into just talking about movies, since you're just stubbornly circling back to the same shitty talking points.
>>84441475
>hahah damn you are so butthurt
hey m8 whatever you gotta tell yourself. I don't spend my free time whining about there's a g-g-g-girl protagonist in a kids space movie.
>It was never explained that she was delusional, or that she didn't believe it
Seriously brah you're trying so goddamn hard. ARe you just constantly bewildered and confused when you watch movies?

>>84418141
Hermione is a Mary Sue in the movies, but not in the books.