Why did this movie resonate so deeply with 4chan back in the

>>84377723
fight club is a better antiestablishment theme

4chan used to be corny and obvious in its taste.

It had to go through several stages of contrarianism to move past 'obvious' forms of edginess to arrive at where it is now.

Like the whole mocking of edginess itself was one development.

Mocking fedoras and what that supposedly entails was another.

And obviously dropping the "NEVER FORGIVE NEVER FORGET" Anonymous nonsense.

See also the "Nothin' personal" meme.

>>84377723
It didn't.
Anonymous was never 4chan.
It was a recruiting ground for script kiddies.
Which evolved into a recruiting ground for SJW and hacktivists.
None of it was actually 4chan.
Plenty of other forums/websites were used.
Including GoGaia.
Let that sink in, including GoGaia.

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>>84377814
>4chan used to be corny and obvious in its taste
It still fucking is if you think about it. This site was always meant for shitposting. Anyone who took it seriously above that was just delusional.

>>84377814
See also:

"TWISTED FUCKING PSYCHOPATH"
"MOM'S GONNA FREAK"

>>84377859
Totally, but there's also a reasonable amount of self-mockery of the whole lameness of geek culture and of the edgy / grimdark marketing we grew up on.

>>84377723
Because we were 13-17, so anarchy was the coolest shit around. We were trained to think that fascism was the truest form of evil and Nazi-expies were either to be feared or mowed down in faceless droves. We thought that everyone would operate under the best intentions for the greater good, blaming negative attributes on totalitarianism and greed rather the inherent evil that exists in every man. We assumed that everyone, including ourselves would just naturally strive to achieve for the greater good wihtout incentive. We took the Charlie Chaplin speech seriously, as something to live for

>>84377859
>anyone who took it seriously was delusional
So I guess the /fit/ sticky is just fucking worthless, right?

Cause Kino Weaving is in it.

>>84377935
>Because we were 13-17, so anarchy was the coolest shit around.

Haha yeah this too.

There used to be a palpable teenage flavor to 4chan. Obviously still some, but a lot of us have grown older here and it shows. There's more a hardened, seasoned veteran vibe now (not to say all of us are that better)

>>84377983
>There's more a hardened, seasoned veteran vibe now
Which is also accompanied by people trying to pull off that vibe in their posts and failing at it.

>>84377983
No there isn't 'oldfag'.

>>84378043
Yeah it's a component of the general affect of the groupmind now.

>>84378076
Were you here before 2008 or 9?

It felt way younger.

>>84378096
It feels alot younger now than it ever has, then again I only browsed /b/ for a very long time and never watched how each board developed it's own 'unique' culture.

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>>84378076
There's always someone around to be a faggot. But it is true that 4chan was an edgy teen who doesn't fit into the 00s mainstream honeypot.

The thing is, though, we grew up. I thought anarchy was the coolest shit back in the day. Fast forward a few years and I found that "epic raids" don't fill the hole in my heart and anarchist philosophers are marxist delusional tier.
Fast forward to today and I'm religious. But not in a meme way like normalfag faggots are. I take things I keep in my life seriously. Say about chan culture what you will, but I think you'd be lying if you said it didn't make you analytical and detailed. You needed to learn how to defend things you like on here, or you'd run to Ebaums World and Leddit.

The movie is a perfect analogy to anarchism and Hollywood leftism, too. Accept it and you'll end up a dead genetic end and a freak of nature. Just like the directors. Of course furchan recoiled in contrarianism after realizing that.

>>84378208
>It feels alot younger now than it ever has, then again I only browsed /b/
Of course when /b/ used to be for everything and anything and now it's only for porn. Nothing but leddit teens left there.

Tbh I used to praise this until I read the comic.
Fuck, it now seem like a children's movie to me. So black and white. The cop that understands the cause through hiatory and let things be, no gray zones about V, nothing.

>>84378224
People defend their arguments on Reddit. The real difference between here and Reddit is that here there's no expectation of being polite, and much less modding. Here, if you think someone is a subhuman retard, you just call him a subhuman retard. On Reddit there's this pervasive expectation of politeness that often keeps discussions from really cutting deep. And mods tend to get rid of anything that goes too far outside mainstream norms.

>>84377935
Sounds like you were a lot more right when you were 13-17 than you are now, except for the believing in anarchy part.

>>84377723
Because it was what 4chan needed back then. It showed that the idea was more important than the individual behind it. That the meme was more powerful than the bullshit that was being pushed

>>84379210
>People defend their arguments on Reddit
They don't. They just apologise and say *personally, I feel like this is my personal opinon no offense*

>>84379210
calling someone a faggot isn't cutting deep

It didn't. The mask/anonymity imagery was taken advantage of but that is it.

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>>84379278
ITT millenials pretending to be oldfags muse on 4chan's development.
"I've been here since I was 13 bro!"
>>84378208
It's PRETTY fucking obvious that the average age here as decreased drastically, and it's getting worse and worse. Just, say two years ago, I used to browse /sci/ a lot, but that board is completely untouchable today.

>>84379770
>"I've been here since I was 13 bro!"
14 actually

>>84379770
Hey now, I'm not pretending shit. I got here 2 years ago. I'm convinced that I'm better for this place than many, perhaps most oldfags, though.

I think this movie came out at around the same time where internet flash games and videos were at their peak on websites like Newgrounds. 4Chan was getting a huge surge in popularity from all of those underage B&s because of the crossing over of the cultures and memes. Shit like shoop da whoop was huge, facebook was gaining in popularity amongst normies young and old alike rampantly, and somewhere along the line V for Vendetta inspired memes like Epic Face Guy and 'We Are Legion' to fully pop as mainstream.

So it started as an easy allusion to Anonymous and through massive layers of assumed irony posting and underage memeing on /b/ turned into the cancer of its age, I'd say

>>84379770
I've been here since 2007. First stopping by in 2006. And I disagree with you.

>>84377723
It came out during the low point of the Bush administration when anti-government sentiment was peaking. We're overdue for a V For Vendetta 2 during the Trump administration when 90% of America hates the president and is praying for him to die.

>>84380001

Trump is vastly better than Bush, and the statistic that you wish were true isn't.

Interestingly, /mu/ has also been hoping for a new-left art movement to come out of the current reality, and the opening months have been found wanting.

>>84380057
Bush was way better than Trump. Bush was an actual president. He made bad decisions but he was a leader unlilke Trump.

>>84380057
lol no
Bush is a devout Christian, Trump believes only in his own overinflated ego.

>/b/ culture was all of 4chins, just like /pol/ is all of 4chins today
I'm only here since 10/11, because i was more of a totse kind of guy, but wasn't /b/ supposed to be the cancer that's killing 4chan?

>>84377935
>So I guess the /fit/ sticky is just fucking worthless, right?
Just like the rest of the board lmao

>>84380078
>He made bad decisions but he was a leader unlilke Trump.
please tell me what it means to be a "leader"
>inb4 DRUMPF'S DIVIDING THE COUNTRY
The media is doing that way more

It's about a tranny who destroys a society through brainwashing plebs through TV screens. Let that sink in.

>>84380149
The media also shat a lot on Bush.
But he took it like a man instead of crying about every little thing on twitter.

>>84380149
>muh media
So Trump failing at everything and lying about everything is just the media? Trump can't get anything done because he's not a real president and not a leader. He has no plans, no leadership ability, and no future in America.

4chan was much better back then. Anybody still sticking around from then are only doing so out of habit and complacency.

>>84380078

Nope, nope, a thousand times nope. Get fucked.

Replay your latter sentence and step outside yourself a moment to hear how stupid you sound. Also, allow at least two years to elapse on the current administration before comparing it with another.

>>84380088

Bush's sincere Christianity is exactly what makes Trump better than him. That and how, more than any other individual human being, Bush is most to blame for the current refugee crisis. I do not say this lightly, as it is not my instinct to blame America. But we are fortunate that Europe isn't even madder at us than they currently are.

>>84379770
Why does this site have to be a members only one?

Why can't fellow outsiders come together talk bullshit with each other?

I hate the way the world is changing and just want to have a good time with fellow comrades.

And i'm a young 20yo buck

>>84377723
rewatched it and it still resonates with me. its kind of a allegory for whats happening right now. all these shit heads hyped up on a populist who promises to get rid of the people they don't like but really they are just sacrificing freedoms for a false sense of security and its doing is making the other side more extremist. its like a pendulum of insanity.

>>84377723
Funny how the kids on 4chan today unironically believe in fascism now.

>>84380321
They believe in violence, that's what they were trained for.

>>84380280
Underaged ban detected. Bush was a thousand times better than Trump and still bad. Trump is by far the least effective president we've ever had. Even Jimmy Carter could get more done. Trump is a weak pussy who is crying on twitter while his legacy falls to pieces and his presidency burns to ashes. We've never had a president this pathetic before.

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>>84380057
except trump is basically doing exactly what bush would be doing and is relegating pretty much everything to his generals and GOP controlled congress.
Notice how everything he campaigned on is getting btfo'd while the typical neocon establishment agenda is in full force? That wall you want? never getting built. That ban you want? not gonna happen. Stop the Saudi/Israel influence on our government? Nah we're gonna strengthen those ties.
you got conned.

>>84377812
Good love story to say the least.

the lesbian shit ruined this movie for me.

Alan Moore said the movie was basically Bush Era agitprop.

Alan Moore very clearly
says, V is a morally gray individual, and that the whole point is to present the people living and running a fascists society without bias.

But the 90s's-2000's were mired by a somewhat infantile anarchist view of the world of an "us vs them" mentality. You see this in the Matrix (which though influenced by the Invisibles, Grant Morrison heavily subverted this trope), Fight Club, and V for Vendetta (the movie), and in real life in Occupy Wall Street (which fizzled out precisely for that reason).

4chan no doubt because of its anarchist nature just followed these tropes. Now it follows the heavy partisanship that exists in the US. Sure there is some spontaneity that exists, like Donald Trump and Kek, but 4chan has always been a follower of the simulacra presented to it.

>>84380290
cause your culture is alien and has shifted the original spirit this site once had. newfags have really morphed this site with every event.

>>84380342

I am thirty-three years old. Your error consists in viewing the present, the short-ball, which you haven't corrected.

I lived through Bush and actually understood the arc of his presidency as it happened.

>>84380313
>things that didn't happen

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>>84377935
here here, friend. Saliday!

>>84380313
Freedom to go out driking with my friends is the only real freedom I need, friendo. Not all of us are Americunts who need freedom to sodomize each other on faggot prides in front of 10 year old kids. Fuck that freedom.

Also, le anonymoose down with fascism XD is populism supreme.

>>84380290
>Why don't you want billions of economic migrants on welfare in your country?

>>84380343
>That wall you want? never getting built. That ban you want? not gonna happen.
>that ban you want
>he doesn't know

everyone point and laugh

>>84380405
I'm older than you, kiddo. Trump is off to the worst start of any president. He is ineffective, directionless, and the country has no leader. This cuck can't do anything. Bush at least was "the decider" in his words. Trump can't make decisions. He runs away to play golf every week to avoid his responibilities. He doesn't make decisions, he doesn't review policy, he doesn't take intelligence briefings, he doesn't give his party any leadership. He's just a pathetic child who is failing at the first real job he's ever had.

>>84380346
what are you? a fucking child? grow up.

>>84380436
Ruthless.

>>84380343

The ban has been salvaged as of a few hours ago, idiot.

Also I unlike the /pol/ zeitgeist (that is, being an adult) genuinely expected Trump to moderate once he took the oath, which has happened It's this lack of adulthood which makes anons here flail about like (((journalists))), again getting caught in the daily grind like the above fag.

>>84380342
Lol it wasnt your turn. get over it.

>>84380408
not yet but those that have been put in power desire to limit your freedom.
>>84380417
well its quite possible they could take away your vice. its been done before. its something they'd want.

>>84380499
My worst vice is sloth and failing to go to Church each Sunday. I welcome any help in overcoming it.
It's not really an argument, though. It's a low effort what if something bad happens question.

>>84380493
>thinks I'm a Dem
I don't have a party. This isn't about left/right or Dem/Repub. This is about America having a non-leader who can't make decisions and can't get anything done. He has no idea what he's doing and he's squandering the only opportunity he'll ever have to make something meaningful in his life. America will survive. It's a strong country and can live through four years of a shitty non-leader. But Trump's legacy is over. He proved he doesn't have what it takes to be president.

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>>84380290
>tfw cancer like this is normalized on 4chan now

>>84380436
>>84380451

The most important point about the former post is that it is objectively and irrefutably false. Under Lincoln, the South seceded.

As to modern presidents, each side has an axe to grind when someone is seen to be taking vacation. Both Bush and Obama took lots, and Trump also is trending towards Florida. Again, you're not getting it - more of a trendline is needed.

As for the rest, you're blithering and you know it.

>>84379770
>Mass replying to anything that slightly resembles your shitty assumptions
Spot the faggot

>>84380576
Trump has taken more vacation in the first 200 days than the previous 7 presidents combined. He's a lazy cuck who doesn't have to be in Washington because he isn't doing his job even when he is there.

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>>84380615
This is why you never vote for a fatso

>>84380290
because you're fucking stupid that's why

>>84377723
At the time 4chan was more left-anarchist than right-nationalist. If it came out today 4chan would have embraced Sutler.

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>>84380646

HEY!

BE NICE!

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>>84379805
>Hey now, I'm not pretending shit. I got here 2 years ago.
>I'm convinced that I'm better for this place than many, perhaps most oldfags, though.
just end me

>>84377935
>We took the Charlie Chaplin speech seriously, as something to live for
>the charlie chaplin speech is not worth striving towards.
Absolute degenerate

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>>84380430
kek, it got delayed and is going to be struck down. Also everyone that it previously affected it no longer applies to. So the "ban" is a temporary one that only applies to people with no ties whatsoever to the US. Also we're still taking in refugees from Syria. WEW. Or wait, did you actually think terrorists from the middle east (btw he's leaving out /ourguys/ saudi arabia and Iraq) so you have a temporary faux "ban" on a demographic of the middle east (the ones with no connections to US) that is the least likely ones to commit a terrorist attack and that basically is nothing like what the original promise was. congratulations.

>>84380717
It's a bunch of platitudes that say nothing. Pure actor charisma and nothing else.

>>84379770
I have been here since love can bloom.

>>84380722
one of the most reddit posts in a while, well done

>>84380149
Bush didn't throw a hissy fit when the fourth estate made fun of him.

>>84380342
>Even Jimmy Carter could get more done.
>implying trump has the moral integrity of jimmy.
kek

>>84380576
>the south seceeded
And lincoln broke their legs and dragged them back into the union.

>>84377859
Just because you don't visit the less popular boards doesn't mean all of 4chan is for shitposting. Fuck off.

>>84380808
/trv/ is max comfy

>>84380741
>can't refute the argument
>"R-R-REEEDDIT"
wanna know how I know you are a redditor?

>>84380750
bush was a piece of shit and acted like a retard, but you're right he took so many criticisms and shit from everyone and never showed it affected him. he would do that chuckle laugh of his or dodge shoes being thrown at him. looking back compared to trump he was professional as fuck.

but at the time people couldn't believe the dumb shit he said. unless a fucking retard wins the next election i can't phantom trump being replaced as biggest piece of shit to enter the white house.

>>84380844
Have faith in the american electorate anon!
Seriously, is there a dumber celeb than trump?

>>84380860
kim kardashian for the first female president!

>>84380860
he's not dumb. if he's dumb how come he's rich and the president? dumb people cannot be rich and successful you dumb libshit.

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>>84380668
Thanks for the free (you)

But really tell me what it was like before my kind came here and fucked up your holy site.

>>84380905
He would have made more money if he just kept his money in the bank.

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>>84377723

The movie itself never resonated. The mask was used for some memery and the poem he says at the beginning was modified to be about /b/tards, but that was the extent of it. It didn't start some heartfelt anarchist dialogue on here, it just had some props used from it because it was a movie a lot of younger people had seen recently at the time.

No one takes those Legion faggots seriously. Honestly they never did.

>>84381012
It was fun.

>>84380790

Which is immaterial to my correct point which refutes the above anon: Lincoln most certainly had " a worse start" than Trump, to speak in the above idiot's vagaries.

I appreciate your general sentiment however.

>>84381012
It's literally always been this way but has steadily gotten worse over time as "your kind" began to feel entitled. It's just going to get worse until 4chan as it was ceases to be and is completely overwhelmed by gen edge and beyond. This is life though, so it doesn't really matter.

>>84381190
this

>>84379770
anyone arguing with this guy has to explain why Generals have become so prominent on every single board. i think he's wrong too, but other than a hunch there's nothing to prove it and all the evidence is in his favour

4chan's demo has shifted downward

I've been on 4chan for about 11 years.

Some boards have gotten worse. /v/ is just /b/ with a vidya flavour.

/pol/ has actually gone strength to strength, which was weird to witness.

/tv/ hasn't changed much, same as /mu/. board most likely to have a tripfag claiming superior taste.

Some of the other boards haven't changed much since their inception, like /an/ and /fit/.

Over-all you can tell the average age has gone down, and outside of /pol/ people lean far left.

We've gone from 'final boss of the internet' to SJWs. Sad really. The only rules we really had years ago was don't fuck with cats and NYPA.

>>84382507
>Some boards have gotten worse. /v/ is just /b/ with a vidya flavour.
/v/ is much less /b/ than it was years ago.
Its front page used to be filled with straight /b/ threads and porn dumps.

>/tv/ hasn't changed much
It didn't used to be full of /co/ and /pol/ shit.
It did have other crap though, like waifufagging, abatap, botting, ...

Marblecake on youtube was fun.

>>84380110
>totse
Discovered that shit when I was 11 googling how to make a bomb. 25 now, still miss that time in my life.

>but wasn't /b/ supposed to be the cancer that's killing 4chan?

That's what all the boards public ranted about, but all the while using every meme and inside joke that came from /b/. Funny how /b/ is mostly just a porn board now.

>>84377814
the meme is 'nothing personnel, kid' you dip

>>84382507
>Over-all you can tell the average age has gone down

2bh I think that only applies to the larger boards, most slower boards are filled with alot of 25+ guys

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>>84382507

>tfw based /a/ will never be removed at the best board because of how autistically it self moderates

Because back then 4chan was actually opposing fascism and supporting freedom, rather than the other way around.

>>84380410
Jk Rowling looks like shit.

>>84380717
The only way open borders can work is if one culture manages to kill off all the others.

>>84382507
/pol/ has been seeping into /mu/ slowly for some time now, though we've been waiting longer for the kpop threads to get banned. Don't even see what the point of /pol/tards to come there when music scenes are a completely different sphere. If they stopped reading news and looking out into the real world they'd be crushed.

>>84384603
Indeed. I'm surprised she would take a selfie with Marine Le Pen though

People forget.

The joke about anonymous was that "anonymous" the nasty hacker group wasn't anything to be taken seriously, it was just 4chan getting lulz.

The joke was that people pretended to be this edgy thing when we were just losers. The name "anonymous" which is just a word for no name was taken by some uninformed people to be like a real name of a frightening group of people who never forgive or forget.

It was all a joke for the lulz. Then some people started taking it seriously.

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>>84379805

Pepe vs Anonymous. Who has the more lasting impact?

>>84381027
>lel, your leader isn't a cuck who bends over for women, how quaint
You can't bully your way into the presidency if your assets are liquid and the jews can pull the rug out from under you the moment you think for yourself.
Land barons rule. That's the way it has always been. Deal with it.

>>84385991
Anonymous pissed off scientologists before it was co-opted by others

Pepe became a serious issue in a presidential campaign

>>84385015
> Don't even see what the point of /pol/tards to come there when music scenes are a completely different sphere
>to appreciate music you have to be part of some sort of subculture

What a retard

>>84385050
>>>reddit

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You people complain about the average age of the site going down when in the beginning it was literally just a bunch of 13-15 year olds.
It is basically impossible that the average age has come down from 2003. And if you got here near the turn of the decade then you just an immigrant like everybody else.