Zack Snyder sucks-

>>84345773
watchmen was pretentious shite
300 was at least enjoyable

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What;s the point of this thread?

>>84346250
I wish my last name was as cool as "DeKnight."

>>84346249
>pretentious
*sighs so loudly that all windows in the vicinity shatter from the sound of my voice*

>>84346249
>watchmen was pretentious shite
>300 was at least enjoyable
confirmed for brainless homo

>>84346475
t.

>>84346249
300 sucked, watchmen was incredible

>>84346249
>>84346250
>>84346475
>>84346663
>Haha, I love 4chan culture too, I'm one of you as well guys!

the posts

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Watchmen was watered down drivel compared to the complex narrative of the book.

Zack shoulda stuck to Frank Miller funny books.

The again he didn't even seem to grasp most of Dark Knight Returns.

I swear he is a barely literate idiot who just liked the pretty pictures.

>>84345773
>>84345773

Watchmen is probably one of the best comic book movies of all time to me.
I'm talking about the Ultimate Cut @ 3.5 hrs long btw.

>>84346249
300 was terrible.

>>84346869
Imagine being this much of a huge retard.

You are literally retarded if you think Snyder would've turned Superman into a Reagan puppet. Fucking idiot.

>>84346869
I don't remember Snyder attempting to adapt TDKR. What he did with Batman and Superman is more compelling than what TDKR did anyways.

>>84346921
No, he basically turned him into a manchild that needed some aliens to come out from outer space in order to find out what to do with his life, at age 33.

>>84346869
>the complex narrative of the book.
>durr but who watches the watchmen tho?
>durr being too powerful makes me feel lonely and isolated
>hurr durr dark noir type shit that makes nerds feel deep and philosohical

Snyder pretty much deconstructed Miller's TDKR in BvS.

Dude works on levels of irony surpassed only by Verhoeven. He's fucking brilliant.

Dawn of the Dead is the only good Zack Snyder movie.

300 is good on first watch as a joke, but it has no rewatchability. Watchmen is a worse version of the comic that includes ridiculous fight scenes that miss the point of the comic.

>>84346971
The funny thing is that this is probably what Snyder thinks the book is about.

>>84347095
what is the book about, oh wise sage?

>>84347095
Please enlighten us to what the book is ACTUALLY about

>>84346968
Didn't take much to oust the Marvelfag using dead debunked arguments. Stick to pretending to give a shit about the source material you are so ignorant about. Cocksucker.

>>84346947
I agree. In a way, Something that always cracks me up is that a lot of people seem to forget the reason they were even fighting in TDKR. Sure, we get to hear Clark's thoughts, but whatever he thinks of Bruce's methods, that's not not the reason they're fighting. It's not the epic clash of opposing ideologies people make it out to be. That all comes from Clark's side, and it's all blatant hypocrisy and rationalization, which is precisely what Bruce's justifications are in BvS.

>>84345773
He's literally the best pop director alive.

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This was the moment Snyderhaters knew they'd fucked up!

>>84345773
Film is a visual medium.
Snyder tells his stories mostly through visuals, instead of dialogue.
People hate him for it because it's not what they're used to in big capeshit blockbusters. They'd have played better pre-~2008 before capeshit really solidified as a genre.

>>84347123
>>84347253
It's about how counterproductive is to grow up, but never grow out of the simplistic mentality of superhero comics. Even a smart man like Ozymandias hasn't grown out of that, and that's why his super smart plan is nothing but a silver comic book scheme, and it's obviously worthless because that logic doesn't apply to the real world, where all he did was cause death and pain to many people.

>>84347305
If you were a DC fan, you'd realize how shit this Superman was. And how was what I said debunked? Superman didn't do anything with his powers until Zod showed up, and he was in his fucking 30s.

>>84345773
I think that Snyder has brought back the aesthetics and characteristics from the German Expressionist era of silent film by using comics as a visual medium. I know this sounds pretentious but hear me out.
Before I can start to show that Snyder is heavily influenced by German Expressionism, we're going to learn a little art history on the genre. German Expressionism is described, by a popular blog, as "a film movement that emphasizes on the expression of inner thoughts or emotions through the control of stylistic elements. German Expressionist films are therefore notable for their dark themes of insanity, horror, death and fatality that translate prevalently into the film’s mise-en-scene and narrative." Many themes of German Expressionism included, nature, religion, war, betryal and urban life. Now typically, old German Expressionist films used contrasting shadows and distorted images to warp reality and tell a story through images.
I think that Snyder's work is heavily influenced by that to the point where he does not use distorted images or shadows to tell his story but uses the images off of the pages of comics as a medium to tell a story. People today (not bashing critics) are more used to conventional theatrical aesthetics like dialogue and realistic characterization. However, what people miss is that Snyder in his films tries to convey a metaphorical message through the images themselves. I do not think that his visuals are simply a spectacle but that they serve a purpose in developing a story. The first German Expressionist films were characterized with little to no dialogue for the main characters and they only had simple facial expressions to convey inner turmoil and emotion, however shortly after Expressionist films became popular people thought that the idea of no dialogue and only facial expressions to develop a character was boring and the idea was soon abandoned.

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>>84345773

>>84347421
>Snyder tells his stories mostly through visuals, instead of dialogue.
You must've missed all that shitload of expository dialogue in BvS, where pretty much every time a character open his/her mouth was to ramble about his motivations.

>>84347471
This literally never happens. Superman never flat-out says his issue in the film, which is why somehow some people never grasped it. Batman and Alfred literally never mention the fact he kills now explicitly.

>>84347441
Literally non-arguments based on nothing but Marvel fanboyism. Drop the act.

>>84347502
No, because he doesn't even know. He goes to talk to Martha so she can say it for him.

>Batman and Alfred literally never mention the fact he kills now explicitly.
I said motivations, and they do nothing but talk about why Batman does what he's doing, and they talk about the branding stuff.

>>84347428
That's stupid. Ozy's plan works like a charm

>>84347510
How is it a non-argument? Does that thing I said not happen in the movie?

>>84347384
As someone who agrees, let me ask you something: Where do you think the hate comes from?

I'm really starting to think that there *is* a faction that's getting paid to push a narrative through social media, but I don't think it's something political or even Disney-related(though I don't rule anything out where money's concerned).

I think it's personal.

I think Zack pissed off some extremely rich people and at least some of them have embarked upon a smear campaign that's lasted nearly ten years. I think it started with 300, and if you think about that for a second, you'll also know who I think he's pissed off.

>>84347581
>Nothing ever ends

>>84347428
W R O N G

>>84347746
Now it's your turn to enlighten us.

>>84347651
Yeah, because of roscharc's diary, wich is another comic book thing. But Ozy's plan works in the sense that every country in the world refuses to fight eachother now that there is a bigger threat

>>84345773
Watchmen was only good because of tits.

>>84347606
Starting to believe this aswell. They are completely fanatical about this. Not even Michael Bay is attacked this much for doing nothing but upsetting online nerds. This is some dark shit going on. The twitter spambots are just the icing on the cake.

>>84345773
Yes, those are in fact the movies that tricked everyone in to believing Snyder was a good director
And the sucker punch happened.

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>>84347441
>Superman didn't do anything with his powers until Zod showed up, and he was in his fucking 30s.

Just because he wasn't in the suit doesn't mean he was doing nothing. He was working his way north to the scoutship in Bill Bixby mode. I don't need to see everything or even hear about everything he'd done for people to understand that those things happened. Lois tracks him back across the country collecting an entire stack of anecdotal accounts about an "angel" rescuing people. When she meets him back in Smallville, she says, "The only way you could disappear would be to stop helping people completely, and I sense that's not an option for you."

She senses that based off what she's learned about his past. Only an autist would hand wave that away. You want to say that's bad storytelling? Go ahead. Just know that by saying so, you're barely beyond a toddler when it comes to infererring things about one of the most recognizable, internalized pop culture icons in the history of history.

>>84347752
see>>84346971

>>84347824
I picked up on this as a result of BvS. It makes what they're doing allegorically with these characters all the amazing to me. And brave.

>>84347868
You're the most based poster to ever grace /tv/ singlehandedly putting the paid shitposting army on suicide watch.

>>84347578
>I said motivations, and they do nothing but talk about why Batman does what he's doing, and they talk about the branding stuff.

Yeah, they talk about Bruce's rationalizations, but only Alfred so much as hints at what Bruce's real motivation is.

It seems like all the theatrical releases of his movies are shit, but the extended cuts make them all a million times better.

>>84348048
Sucker Punch was the one guiltiest of this. TC cuts away two very important scenes.

>>84347984
Thanks. I really appreciate that.

>>84348048
>>84348124
I think in general, any time a movie needs a director's cut, something went terribly wrong in the theatrical release. This is what happens when theaters enforce a maximum length so that they can get as many showings as possible.

>>84347606
>I think it started with 300, and if you think about that for a second, you'll also know who I think he's pissed off.
...The Persians?

>>84346869
>Watchmen was watered down drivel compared to the complex narrative of the book.
This just goes to show you how simplistic blockbusters have become because the film version STILL managed to be one of the more complex films in a long time.

Why were these enjoyable movies the first time you watch them but complete trash the second time?

>>84346850
I can't believe you said this to a post that just said "t." Literally nothing but "t."

Anyone have that screencap of the guy who watched nothing but Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole for like a year straight?

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>>84346850
I swear I will never understand the logic behind these posts.

>>84345773
dude, at least use on of snyders good comic adaptations, watchmen is a good film but a shallow as fuck adaptation.

>>84347502

Watch MOS. Most of Zod and For -Els dialogue is exposition.

>>84349071
>For-el
who?

>>84348967
The only thing that makes sense is that they're so angry that they're not thinking right. So I take those posts as a victory because I got some idiot mad.

>>84348969
Why is your name SuicideAnon?

>>84349125
storytimed some of the 80's suicide squad comics a while back, decided to keep it

>>84349169
Oh, that's pretty cool of you. Do you have an archive link to the thread?

>>84348989
based reply-to-everyone poster

>>84349306
He didn't reply to me.

>>84345773
he should never be forgiven for what he did to Watchmen.

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>>84349319
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>>84348989

>>84349329
Why don't you reply to the OP?

>>84349306
wtf why did it get deleted?

>>84349344
Towerposting is against the rules.

>>84349279
does /tv/ have a working archive? Happy to have a look if it does but i dont think it does.

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>>84348552
>The Persians?

More so those for whom Xerxes and his armies were a metaphorical stand-in.

>This day we rescue a world from mysticism and tyranny and usher in a future brighter than anything we can imagine.

>>84349413
I have no idea what you are getting at here.

Anyone else notice that Gerard Butler has been in jack shit of note besides 300? What's up with that?

>>84349467
mel gibs cornered the scotsman market.

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>>84348969
I don't think it was shallow. I just think they focused on the more widely applicable themes in the story, like how the presence of something truly superhuman and god-like runs the risk of making mankind come to view itself as irrelevant.

Moore' s central theme of the dangers of idolizing "socially acceptable" criminals like masked do-gooders would be utterly lost on a general audience.

By focusing on the importance of heroes lifting up mankind, Snyder's Watchmen throws Dr. Manhattan and Superman into stark contrast. His Superman is coming to understand that deeds without a voice aren't enough and that context and message are equally important, because all the heroic acts in the world won't matter if your example doesn't others to action. Manhattan, on the other hand, is too far up his own ass to even notice that.

In short, the message is that a god-like hero who doesn't inspire anything but awe runs the risk of making human achievement seem pointless.

>>84349386
Try 4plebs.org. You can find your thread by searching one of the images you posted in it.

>>84349681
Not sure why Snyder wastes his time on such complex themes when his audience is a group of people who are incapable of understanding things beyond the surface level.

>>84348969
Is Sucker Punch one of his good adaptations?

>>84349425
The Persians and the Greeks were metaphorical stand-ins for Eastern and Western culture. History looks on the war that followed the Battle of Thermopylae as the turning point for pretty much all of Western civilization.

One of the biggest, most visible terrorist organizations operating in Africa is called Boko Haram, which loosely translates to "western education is sin." There are some very wealthy, very powerful people who share this sentiment.

>>84349879
Suckerpunch isn't an adaptation. It's precisely what its name says it is.

>>84349953
Such as who? It's not like they're watching you.

300 was shit.
The fight scenes were so extremely over stylized that they became boring.
And it didn't have anything else to offer.

>>84350838
Low-tests won't get it.

>>84350876
Please.
It's a ballet masquerading as an action movie so faggots in denial can pretend they're manly.

>>84350838
What you said makes absolutely no sense. How the fuck can something be OVER stylized? And how the FUCK does that make it boring?

>>84351203
Hi, Zack.

>>84351247
Nice argument you enormous shitposting faggot.

>>84350838
Nothing can be over stylized. Just done in a style that you personally don't like.

>>84351334
Don't bother.

>>84351334
Of course it can.
The fights in the Star Wars prequels are another good example. So highly choreographed and stylized that it sucks any tension out of the scene and creates a disconnect.

>>84347868
He only found out about the ship from the two soldiers at the bar, but before that he'd spent 33 years doing jack shit.

>>84351472
And why didn't you just say this when I asked you, you dicksucker?

>>84351559
Why are you so angry?

>>84346419
I believe that defeats the purpose of a sigh

>>84347868
He only saved people who had the luck to get in trouble right in front of him. The rig, the bus, he got involved sure, but only when it was pretty much shoved in front of him.

Superman has always had this big issue of trying to save people, he goes out, searches metropolis for people in danger, from a young age. He goes to metropolis and becomes a journalist to search for people to save, he's looking to help as much as possible. Snyderman stayed hidden until he was forced into the open, only helping when it happened right in front of him. Once he became "Superman" and in BvS he does everything with the air of someone under a huge burden. Rather than struggling with not being able to save everyone, he broods about whether he should even bother at all. Lois is the only one he shows any interest in actively saving.

>>84351609
Because I'm trying to have a conversation with you and you just keep shitposting like it erotically stimulates you.

>>84351644
I made one little joke.
Calm down, mate.

>>84351721
This is a very serious environment and not the place for jokes.

*sniffs*

Smells like plebs.

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>>84346222
This man is my hero.

>>84345773
His better films came after Watchmen, 2bh

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>>84350788
The Saudis and a lot of other top-tier oil-rich families that sponsor and espouse Wahhabbism, which is the polarizing, ultra-conservative interpretation of Islam, the philosophy that underlies the overwhelming majority of terrorist acts going on in the world today.

The thing is, the ultra-rich don't give a shit on a truly global scale, which is why you hear so little said about it. All we hear is "terrorist this" and "Muslim extremist" that, because you don't get out hands-clean once you've made a deal with the Devil.

Understanding this allegory is a great way to have a rough idea of where things are headed in Justice League. It's a master stroke and I honestly can't believe this unofficial trilogy ever made it to the big screen.

>>84351637
Whether it's right in front of him or not, the fact remains that he was still helping, still stepping up in ways that no one else could. The very thing you're talking about with the reporter thing is exactly what he does at the end of MoS.

Lastly, the huge burden he's under isn't the saving - it's the the fact that he's aware that it's not changing anything. He's learning that he can't just stay that mild-mannered Kansas farm boy if he really wants to inspire hope. The power at his command only inspires fear, awe, and worship when it's not coupled with a voice.

That will be a big part of his return - actually adopting a public persona and more clearly defining who Superman is.

I hated 300 and watchmen is the boringest comic book I ever read let alone watched. Read the killing joke, way better.

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Can you still buy cinema tickets at the theatre or is it all online now? I don't own a credit card because I have no credit at all and they won't give me one. Last time I went to the cinema I didn't see a ticket booth... my mom bought me my ticket online. I'd like to go to the cinema on my own sometime.

>>84355927
I haven't seen any that don't have ticket booths, but even online you can buy them if you only have a debit card for your bank account.

>>84356127
Alright thanks.

300 is hot garbage

>>84355927
You know debit cards are a thing, right?

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>>84347468
Batman v Superman not only plays homage to 2001 but also flirts with its premise. In two scenes, 2001 is alluded to, the first with Lex entering the Kryptonian ship and the second mirroring Clark's regeneration to Star Child's arrival to Earth. While Kubrick and Clarke asked us how humanity would progress forward into the next step of evolution, Snyder instead turns on the concept and unleashes that next step of evolution on those left behind.

"You have to understand that this is a paradigm shift.... Then there was Copernicus displacing us from the center of the world and suddenly we're not even special anymore. Then there is Superman..." In no clearer way can the film portray Superman as that next step of human progress. Superman portrays the next step of 2001, what happens when Star Child arrives to Earth?

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>>84356818
That's a pretty good observation.

What do you think about metahumans and magic being parts of that reaction? I'm starting to think more and more about that empty hibernation couch in MoS and the Ancient War.

>>84357167
The rift between men and that next step of men is being created. Lex was trying to control this to his own benefit, basically installing himself above man by uniting the metahumans. Lex does see the metahumans not as freaks but truly as that next step of mankind. Superman is the obstruction to his plan because Superman is so much greater than he ever will be, knowing that the light of Superman will forever blind the rest of the metahumans to any mere rich "philantrophist". Again, evolution comes back to BvS, with Lex openly admitting that this is it. This is the next step we're taking. And I'm going to control it and I'm going to use it against those left behind. In a sense, Superman's arrival does mean the awakening of magic, so powerful is his presence.

What do you think?

>>84357368
You may be right.

I almost think that part of what Lex discovered from the Kryptonian database was that not only are our "myths" the actual reality, but that there's no such thing as a metahuman, at least not from a genetic standpoint, that it's more of a metaphysical thing. In other words, the metas aren't the basis for the myths; they're echoes of the gods and under the right circumstances, it's possible for anyone to tap into that power.

It's a very Grant Morrison sort of idea - that the League is essentially an echo of the Pantheon.

>>84357524
What did you mean by the empty hibernation couch in MoS? What empty couch?

>>84354662
>copyrighted material
What.

>>84357574
One sec. I'll dig up the scene.

>>84357574
>>84357972

https://youtu.be/qTJA2hDT_6Y?list=PL42rZ9F2TCklQr2PKp7qhdPro-foWyuZD&t=48

>>84358067
Oh shit one of the pods is fucking empty. There is a loose Kryptonian?

>>84354927
All this because he made a stylish movie about some Spartans kicking ass? Man. But it does suck that we have these people controlling our countries and we can't do anything about it because the people who could change anything are also on their side and are constantly pushing the blame on everything else.

>>84355863
>Read the killing joke, way better.
Eh, I'll just watch the cartoon.

>>84358204
Very possibly, somewhere to the tune of 20,000 years ago, there was another Kryptonian walking the earth, and if the prequel comic is to be believed, it was Kara, at least *a* Kara.

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>>84358336
So a previous Kryptonian walked on Earth before Clark then? This is very exciting to me. If the time gap had been even longer, I would've theorized it's akin to the first Monolith in 2001 where the first Kryptonian kick-starts human evolution. Is this what you were thinking aswell?

>>84358336
>>84358695
Also I haven't read the prequel comic. Is it worth reading? Does it talk about this first Kryptonian?

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>>84358265
Yeah, it really does suck, but take heart.

The times, they're a-changing.

>>84345773
Watchmen is great. In fact, I think I just might watch it tonight. Try and stop me, faggot.

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>>84359039
>The times, they're a-changing.
That was good. Well done.

http://www.screengeek.net/2016/07/01/internet-apologizes-to-zack-snyder-over-batman-v-superman/
>mfw the "Apologize." meme actually worked

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>>84358732
It does. It's not exactly a particularly *compelling* read, but it's not bad for something for a promo.

http://imgur.com/a/mMCZm

>>84358695
I used to think something very much along those lines, like maybe they were going to explain the Amazons, the Atlanteans, and the metahumans all being a result of a Kryptonian strain within humanity, and while I'd have been OK with that, now that they've revealed that they're going all-in with gods and magic, I've changed my mind.

I think the truth is going to be more complicated, weirder, and way, way cooler, maybe even something along the lines of what they delve into in the Wildstorm comic "Planetary." Are you familiar with it?

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>>84359204
Thanks! I do try.

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For years I said that Kara-El was never going to be in Snyder DC. I thought she was going to diminish his role in the world he inhabits.

But if it's true that she was to Earth tens of thousands years ago, possibly triggering a vital event in human development, then I would be left speechless. Zack Snyder using DC superheroes to recreate the fucking Space Odyssey. ZACK SNYDER RECREATING A SPACE ODYSSEY

IT'S FUCKING CRAZY THE MAD MAN

>>84359247
Holy shit! Thanks for that link.

>>84359265
I can't think of anything as exciting as Kryptonians acting like the monoliths in 2001, triggering next steps in human evolution. It feels like with WW, maybe the lore is getting too crowded and suddenly there are Gods everywhere. I don't know, imagine seeing a fucking capeshit film recreate the 2001 under everyone's noses. That would be the greatest master stroke of the millenia.

>>84359446
I'd be on board with that. Whichever way they go with it, whether your ideas are more on the mark or mine, the fact remains: the next step is a spiritual one, and we have the Kryptonians to thank for it.

>>84347026
>Dawn of the Dead is the only good Zack Snyder movie.
This
Only bad thing about it is that it's a remake.

>>84359265
Reading that prequel comic, I wish I never had. Geoff Johns sucks. To take such an interesting premise and waste it all like that. I hope Snyder just ignores it when he inevitably touches on it in later films. The idea of a Kryptonian walking among cavemen brings me shivers.

>>84359741
I'm glad it left off where it did.

>>84345773
Those are probably the two of his three best films
my personal Snyder list:
>Dawn of the Dead
>Watchmen
>300

I'd goes as far as to through Man of Steel in there as an honorable mention, the opening of that film was cool and the action was what I always wanted in a comic movie (the city was actually destroyed and was a major plot device for the sequel, not ignored and addressed 10 movies later like marvel). He's not the best director but he's definitely not the worst

>Superman destroyed the World Trade Center
What did Snyder mean by this?

>>84346869
>Can't fit the complexity of a 12 issue series in a single film so it sucks
90% of film adaptations can't capture all the details that fans love form the original content

>He didn't even grasp the concepts of a story he never said he was adapting so it sucks
He said BVS was only going to be inspired by DKR and only adopt the conflict between the two into his film. Do you just go along with everything you see online? or I understand if you have legitimate reasons to not like those films or Snyder but you're literally just making shit up to justify you taking the popular opinion on these subjects. I don't particularly like these films anymore than the average movie but they are by no means "bad", I'd give them a solid 6/10 when compared to real movie trash

>>84355116
Yeah, but he's helping when tragedy strikes around him, which is what pretty much any person would do. Having those special powers and not using them for the greater good for so many years, until a world-end threat showed up (and even then he was in doubt about coming out and do something), is not a very heroic thing. This is Superman we're talking about. Why even try to make a Superman movie if you're gonna make him the exact opposite of what he should be? If you don't wanna deal with "not muh", don't do a fucking Superman movie because the whole point of these characters is that they're somewhat mythical. They have their traits that everybody knows them for, even if they don't read the comics. You can subvert some of them, as long as the character remains recognizable, like Nolan did with Batman.

>>84347942
Well, you're as shallow as Snyder. No wonder you like his movies.

>>84359446
>recreate
Yeah, that's pretty much all Snyder can do, and he's not even good enough to do it in a creative way like Tarantino. He just mimics previous works of art and thinks that will make his movies as deep as the originals were, without fully understanding how and why did they work, and how and why they don't in the new context he's putting them in.

>>84360436
All words that literally means nothing. The fact that he can allude to 2001 while still making a fucking schoolyard fanboy debate film is testament to his skills as filmmaker. Far greater than any of your shitty Marvels.

>>84360267
So you're telling me that Snyder Superman is the first Superman where he doesn't save people from early childhood on a regular basis?

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Zack Snyder singlehandedly elevated the most streamlined and milked genre into unpredecented heights. BvS upset some and that's ok. Rather a film that polarizes and creates emotions than the empty McDonald's garbage of Disney where you won't mind or like the taste and when all is done, you'll think back and wonder if you even experienced it or if it was just a bad memory.

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>>84359741
I'm off to bed. It's been good talking to you, fellow superbro. I really like your take on where you think things are headed.

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Zack Snyder is bad because [a very specific and cherrypicked complaint taken out of context as presented within the film] and because [sublte Marvel cockriding] and also because [opinion words that are impossible to argue for and against] and I will also repeat this opinion for a hundred posts and then for a hundred days.

>>84360704
Good night. I've learned a ton reading your posts and it has made me appreciate these films so much more.

>>84360471
>Misuse of the term "literally"
>Company wars bullshit
>Thinks that alluding to a previous film is proof of filmmaking skills
Typical Snyder fan. You'll grow out of it.

>>84345773
everything good about those movies was in the source material and the bad parts were snyder's ideas. especially in watchmen, they're supposed to be normal people not punch through concrete walls superheroes

>>84360856
>greentext
[opinion followed with insult]

>>84360868
Check this out.

>Following the revelations during his interview, a frenzied Dr. Manhattan is surrounded by reporters screaming questions. In the novel, he makes them all vanish and reappear outside. In the movie, he makes himself vanish and reappear on Mars. "In the director's cut, he beams them all out," Zack said. "That was just a little time-saving device to move us along in the [story] of Manhattan." But wait, it gets cooler: "In the director's cut, you don't know what he did with those people," Snyder grinned wickedly, implying that Manhattan may have killed the reporters. "You don't see them in the parking lot. We don't PG-13 them; you just don't know where they went."

>>84360906
>implying that Manhattan may have killed the reporters
No he didn't. Like he says, you just don't know where they went. It's up to you to decide where a character like Manhattan would send them.

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>>84360761
I like how this picture sort of has a Batcave trophy room vibe going on.

>>84360943
*grins wickedly*

>>84360509
Well, not from childhood, but pretty much all Superman stories are about him using his powers to help out as many people as he can, as soon as he finds out about them.
In this movie he doesn't do pretty much anything in for over half the movie, including letting his father die. And when he does, he mopes about it and feels like he's done wrong.
That's not how you introduce fucking Superman, specially not if you want people to care about him and like him.

I will tell you this, BvS is going to be the last $250m film that will have the traits of being made by actual people and not corporate check list production.

I hope you enjoyed it while it lasted. They are dying out.

>>84346971
The books are complex, thing is, dumb /co/ doesn't understand that what you read over a year in monthly books isn't the same thing that would make a movie good, they don't understand that an adaptation needs to serve its media language. They probably would say that starship troopers didn't got the message of the book right either.

>>84360987
Tell me, in what Superman story previously has Superman saved a filled schoolbus with kids at the age of seven?

And if you think that Clark "was born" to become Superman, then you've missed an essential part of MoS. Again, you desperately ignore the film itself to carry on with your inane shitposts.

Clark must at his own terms decide his fate. A childhood decision isn't a decision. A grown man making the decision actually means something. A child making the decision doesn't mean anything.

>>84347471
I Bet you believe Lex motivation was his daddy. Fucking pleb

>>84360761
>kek
I hate when people can't have their own opinion, BVS was objectively a good movie when compared to all films made. If, like you mentioned, just cherry pick bits and pieces of the film and compare it to films you find to be subjectively good then of course it's going to be trash. I'm sure there's someone out there who's favorite comic movie is Iron Man 2, just cause I found it subjectively bad and worse than the first doesn't make it objectively a terrible film

>>84361014
>and not corporate check list production.

>WW cameo with barely to no relevance to the plot.
>Foreshadowing of an event that doesn't even pay off in the movie but merely works as a set-up for a potential sequel.
>More worthless cameos from other superheroes.
>Pointless CGI ridden climax that comes out of nowhere.
>Cliffhanger ending hinting to the return of the character we just saw die, to set up for another sequel.

>>84361162
>>Foreshadowing of an event that doesn't even pay off in the movie but merely works as a set-up for a potential sequel.
What a plebeian complaint. Did you also complain that The Two Towers alluded to Aragorn becoming king?

>Pointless CGI ridden climax that comes out of nowhere.
This is how much of a brainlet you are. Let me guess, you're one of the idiots who think Batman should've killed Superman or that Superman's death wasn't a vital aspect of proving himself mortal to Batman and thus brave and heroic.

>>84347026
>>84359663
Dawn of the Dead goes from being really fucking good to being another mediocre zombie flick with high production values in about 20 minutes.

The DVD extras are significantly better than the movie itself

>>84361162
There were lots of reports of the films supposedly being a two parter, if those reports were true then I'd blame the decision to combine both films into one for most of those issues. Not trying to justify any of it, cause I had the same gripes as you, but if true then it would point to corporate meddling being the reason so much unnecessary shit being in the film. Especially the ending, that whole action sequence seems like it was the conclusion to a completely different plot line

>>84361075
>Superman saved a filled schoolbus with kids at the age of seven?
And then gets reprimended by his father for doing so.

>Clark must at his own terms decide his fate. A childhood decision isn't a decision. A grown man making the decision actually means something. A child making the decision doesn't mean anything.
Any healthy man, specially somebody who's supposed to be a role model, like a superhero, knows what to do with his life long before his 30s. This story could've worked if Clark was in his late teens/early 20s and figuring out what to do with his lifetime. He was fucking 33 and still moping around like a teenager. And in BvS we still see that he's doubting what he should do or not, and goes to ask his mom, who tells them once again, maybe he shouldn't do jack shit for anybody. A full grown man. He's just fucking pathethic, and that's not what Superman is supposed to be. You shouldn't feel pity for the fucking hero of the film.

>>84361162
>WW cameo with barely to no relevance to the plot.

Stopping you right there. She was very much in Metropolis for a reason. If she couldn't break Lex's encryption, how do you think she found out who had her picture of Steve in the first place?

Lex told her. Lex invited her, and he very much had a reason for doing so. Now please do double down on your willful denial and tell me that it's not the answer to another circular argument:

>How was he going to stop Doomsday?

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>>84361299
You didn't answer the question now, did you? You first complained that Clark wasn't saving people early enough, and now you can't even come up with an example of other renditions of Clark starting earlier. Might I say, you're a huge faggot pulling shit outta your ass?

>and that's not what Superman is supposed to be.
What Superman "is supposed to do" changes by the comic, by the film, by the year. The fact that you're so far up your own ass that you think your own version of Superman (I'm thinking you really like Cap America and other turds) that you can't even see that other versions exist aswell.

Peace on Earth Superman constantly doubts himself and even considers if any of his actions ever produce good. Kingdom Come Superman fucking exiles himself because he's so overwhelmed by all the bullshit. The brooding introspective Superman has existed for ages. Just not in the corny shit you were reading.

You can stop now. It's apparent to all how hard you're pulling shit out of your ass to make non-arguments that gets debunked as fast as they're made.

Pic related. Not MUH SUPERMAN. Too sad. Too brooding.

>>84345773

Snyder is a complete hack. 300 and Watchmen are good only because the source materials are good. Every time Snyder tries to do something original, he completely fails. Snyder and DC are retarded. Why do they keep writing shitty original scripts when they already paid billions of dollars for the franchise? Just copy the excellent story of the excellent comics. How hard is that?

>>84361237
>Did you also complain that The Two Towers alluded to Aragorn becoming king?
No, because we understood the context and even if we didn't see that actually happened, we knew what they were talking about and could complete the picture in our heads without the need of another movie. The whole parademons and Flash popping up of Bruce's computer makes no fucking sense whatsoever within the movie itself. It never payed off, and people who don't have a clue about what the parademons were, and didn't realize that dude that came out of the screen and looked nothing like Flash was supposed to be Flash, felt completely lost and couldn't make sense of that scene at all. It was something completely shoved in that didn't serve any purpose to the narrative of the movie itself and only worked to stall the already fucked up pacing of the movie for about 7 minutes.

>Superman's death wasn't a vital aspect of proving himself mortal to Batman and thus brave and heroic.
Yes, I understood very well what they were going for, but it all came out as an afterthought and they just shoved Doomsday into the movie to make it happen. I don't think the message of the movie was bad, or wrong, I just think it was poorly put together and badly done. It all feels like a halfway done script rushed into production.

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DUDE WHAT A LOSER LMAO JUST QUIP AND SMILE MORE THIS IS NOT MUH SUPERMAN

He sucks so much that I find myself aroused thinking about him.

>>84361237
>Did you also complain that The Two Towers alluded to Aragorn becoming king?
If this is about how it's a planned trilogy, that's kind of ruined by.

>>84361516
>No, because we understood the context
I understood the context of Batman's nightmare. Don't blame the film you're too dumb to get a surreal nightmare displaying Bruce's greatest fear of his self-made enemy.

Doomsday wasn't shoved in. He is an essential part of the story, the corrupt image of Superman coming to claim his life. Made from the blood of Zod, the destroyer of Metropolis, Doomsday is everything humanity fears of Superman. It is up to Superman to break that image of him. And to do that, he has to become man.

Only low test redditors hate 300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdNn5TZu6R8

>>84361586
What's even more, this Doomsday is literally the embodiment of his own guilt, the consequences that he's been ducking out on by pretending to not care what people think.

It's the ghost of his past decisions come back to haunt him. It's fucking brilliant.

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>>84361715
I watch 300 every couple of months, instant test boost.

>>84361422
>And when he does, he mopes about it and feels like he's done wrong.
You missed that part of my post, but of course, you're a cherry picking faggot as you've shown by trying to pick the school bus scene as proof of this Clark being more helpful than other renditions, when that scene is actually used to set up why he didn't help anybody after that, even his own father, and that when he felt totally compelled to do so (the oil rig), he still felt conflicted about it. A Superman that feels conflicted about helping people who are dying.

And while there are many versions of these characters, there are core elements that remain in order to make them recognizable as such.
Peace on Earth and Kingdom Come are Superman stories based on a Superman that has been the classic Superman for many years, and then he starts having his doubts because he sees things don't really change. They're books meant for people who have a previous knowledge of Superman and have been reading his comics for a while, and they offer a vision of what could Superman feel like after many years of being the superhero we all know. They're sort of middle life crisis comics, with a middle life Superman. MoS gives us a Superman that starts doubting his call as soon as he does something remotely heroic. He hasn't earned our sympathy yet, or the superhero label in order to make him having second thoughts about it.
Again, this could've worked with a late teens Superman that's still trying to figure out who he is and what is he gonna do with his life, because we can all relate to that. But a 33 year old man that's still in the same place as a 19 year old boy is hard to feel sympathy for. And even less when you see he's still the fucking same in the next movie and that he never really grew up.

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DUDE WHAT AN EMO LMAO THIS IS NOTHING LIKE MY QUIPPY SUPERMAN WHO NEVER SECOND-GUESSED HIMSELF OR ANYTHING FUCKING SNYDER BIG BIG HACK

>>84361715
>>84361820
I watch it at least 3 times a year. Unironic Kino.

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>>84347428

I think this is accurate, except, the realization that the world at large hasn't grown out of the mentality either. That's why The Comedian loses his shit. He realizes all his edgelord beliefs that he had to justify his shitty behavior were actually true, and he couldn't deal with it.

>>84361586
>get a surreal nightmare displaying Bruce's greatest fear of his self-made enemy.
That's what it was for the first half, (which is still a completely unnecessary, redundant and masturbatory scene to include, because we already understood perfectly what Batman's fears were), but parademons and Flash showing up totally break that away, since it's got jack shit to do about Superman anymore but some demon things coming out of the sky to attack everybody (including Superman's minions) and then some guy showing up in his screen with a cryptic message. By the end of the sequence, the audience is left wondering what the fuck was it all about.

And Doomsday was totally shoved in as an afterthought. He's not properly set up, we only see Luthor taking Zod's corpse and somehow creating a monster from it, and then it breaks out to fight Superman.
The movie needs a lot of guessing from the audience for it to make sense, and guessing is not interpreting. A movie should be clear from the get-go. Even if it has layers and things that click much better after several rewatches, everything has to be in place from the very start, because most people only watch each movie once. Any qualified filmmaker knows this. A movie like 2001 makes perfect sense the first time you watch it, and then there's a bunch of stuff that starts coming up the more you watch it, but you don't need to do any mental gymnastics to guess why things happen, and why characters act the way they do. All the information you need is in the movie itself.

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>>84361840
So again, you're creating arguments out of your own ass, dismissing anything that opposes your shitty ideology and completely dismiss large parts of the film just so you can jerk over your Superman that may or may not have existed in a comic book once (we don't know since you still haven't provided proof of a younger Clark saving so many people).

Either way, if I could I would spend the night amusing myself with your ridiculous non-arguments but some people have work to do instead of pretending to be upset online 24/7. Night, you huge faggot.

>>84362097
Well, I think it's more complicated than that. I think a lot of people in the world also has that mentality, but the world itself is beyond that. That's why Ozymandias thinks that his plan means a definitive end to things, as in a piece of fiction that has a definitive end, but in reality "nothing ever ends".

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>>84361051
The Watchmen movie didn't do this. It just gutted the point of the story, but then played most of the scenes word for word from the comic, making it all seem empty and hollow.

>>84362101
No actually you're just mad the film isn't treating you like a dumb mouthbreating Marvel fan. That's where your issue lies. No subtlety. No nuance. Just straight up exposition from start to finish.

>>84362186
>(we don't know since you still haven't provided proof of a younger Clark saving so many people).
This is really what you're hanging on? When, as I said, the context for that scene is a setup for him not helping people anymore until he was 33 and some aliens threatened to end the world (and even then, he needed some old priest to tell him to step up and be a man for once)?

>>84362225
>Just straight up exposition from start to finish.
Funny you should say that, when pretty much every single line from BvS is nothing but exposition.
And I don't even like Marvel movies. I only saw Iron Man and Civil War, and I didn't like IM that much and CW is complete garbage.
I'm a fan of movies, not companies.

>>84362222
And what was the point of the story? I want to hear it in your words.

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>>84361715
I just realized that Snyder does the slo-mo/speed up thing because when it slows down it looks like comic book panels

>>84362312
We see him save people all the time. Including the oil rig scene. In fact Lois points out that during her research she larned he could not stop himself from saving others. MoS displays two times he saved a lot of people before becoming Superman. This does NOT imply these were the only ones he saved. In fact that would be ignorant thing to claim considering how Smallville citizens treat him and what Lois learns of him through her own research. Clark was lost but he still had a strong sense of responsibility towards others.

You are trying to make arguments standing on watery ice and they break just as easily with the slightest thought put into it. Hell I actually commend you for being this good at ignoring information presented.

Ok sleep for reals this time.

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>>84362710
In simplest terms it's a deconstruction of capeshit. There's more to it than that but considering Synder couldn't even get the deconstruction part right then what chance is there he'll get the other stuff.

But you already know all that.

>>84361301
Are you implying WW was Luthor's way to stop Doomsday?
Are you ignoring the fact that when Doomsday was released she was sitting on a plane, only a couple of minutes away from leaving the country, and even that only happened because Luthor released Doomsday sooner than he had planned to?

>>84362957
Yes, which is why I said I wanted to hear it in your words. Now I know we see it the same way.

>>84362804
Why is he so fucking cool?

>>84362804
Exactly, and mimicks when you read a comic book and give extra attention to one particular panel.

>>84345773
He's great at adapting other people's work. Like Frank Darabont. His own attempts at writing and creative departure is pretty infantile.

>>84346918
Only if you are aboive the age of 60 or some kind of easily offended faggot

Zack Snyer has NEVER made a bad movie. Man of Steel is his worst movie, and even that is better than Wonder Woman or anything Marvel has ever put out.