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>>84275983
When Jin watched Michael fuck Sun in the hatch

Nikki and Paulo

the only thing I remember of this show is "Dude you have pieces of Arzt on you"

I stopped watching at about the end of S2.

>>84276112
You made a good decision. It's all downhill from there, save for a couple of good scenes.

>>84275983
no

>>84276253
What?

whenever they discovered another group of people that had allrady been on the island, I remember chatting to a friend saying 'the others' and they told me that by now, they had discovered even more groups of 'the others'.

i turned on an episode that had locke digging into some impenetrable underground bunker and just dropped it, it was absolutely not the show that I remembered from the first few episodes

I really hated the direction they took with "the others". They worked so much better as a ghost-like group of tribal people. It ruined the mystique for me when we found out they were a somewhat civilised bunch of people living in the dharma facilities.

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Were the whispers in the jungle ever explained?

>>84276301
I have no recollection of this.

The show never recovered from Season 5.

Season 4. I could tell they were never going to answer anything and they were just going to keep asking fucking questions

>>84276480
Yes. They were the ghosts of the island dead who "couldn't move on."

year 4,
the end was shit,
all worth it for desmons timeslip episode

That question assumes the show was ever in trouble, which is false.

>>84276617
> pleb answer
Season 4 is the best one, my man.

>>84275983
Any tl;dr ? I stopped at S2.

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>>84276635
Defending...
>the horrible drop in production values
>the time travel - dude we're in the 70s now LMAO
>characters being written out because their respective actors committed minor offences
>the donkey wheel
>the "sideways" flashes
>the arbitrary list of rules between Jacob and MiB
>le magic evil-preventing cork

as soon as the time traveling started

>>84275983
I would not chance a thing
/thread

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>>84275983
During the last minute of S6 EP18

>>84276635
well s5 and s6 are worse than the previous ones, i'm admitting this as a fan. although s5 is okay, as for s6, i failed to make myself rewatch it after completing the rest of the show. only the ending holds the quality level

Season 6 when locke is revealed to be dead for real and that this locke was the black darkness thing.

I loved every part and it's my favorite show but the final season is admittedly weaker

>>84276870
>'thread/'ing your own post

This is the kind of scum that think LOST was good until the end.

the ending still makes me mad

fucking 2 old men punching each other is not a finale

second season

>>84277172
It still makes me mad that Kate ended up shooting him and saying a wickedly terrible Post-Kill Epic One Liner. Fuck, the final episode was just riddled with tropes. It was so awful.

>>84277237
the final moments were brilliant though. impossible to hold tears

When they introduced the John Lennon character in the last season

>>84277237
It makes me mad that the asians died together instead of him making the father leaving her so their kid is raised by at least one parent.

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>>84276911
I had hope the whole way as well.

I think that all the post-Others plotlines are absolute dogshit and season 6 wasn't that bad a way to end the atrocity that was season 5 (and 4 to a lesser extent). The first 3 seasons have nothing to do with space travel-ancients-protecting the island shenanigans

Never, though Cate and Jack dropped from 11/10 to 6/10 which was sad, but at least Jack's character remained great.

It does suck that people who hate lost are so vocal about it, i just want to have comfy appreciation instead of people going IF IT'S NOT SHIT WHY WON'T YOU DEFEND IT??? CHECKMATE

It's a futile struggle but as always I will post this stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzSXaeMDjjw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JGjYTuraLw

This answered most of my questions and made a lot of sense.
>>84276415
Was there ever a case that known was more interesting that unknown?

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>>84275983
>At what point did you realise the show was in trouble?

The final season, with all the annoying and stupid flash-sideways, meant it was clear that the writers had absolutely intention of explaining anything about the Island, (as they had pulled it all out of their asses as they went along...) which is all anybody cared about.

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>>84276073
>Nikki and Paulo

Was a great episode, and Lost should have done more occasional background characters episodes like that.

>>84277642
There's a difference between the answering questions and providing satisfying answers. The show ventured into all kinds of shit. S1, and to a degree S2 and S3, felt thematically close-knit. Like everything that happened, happened for a reason. As the show went on it introduced weaker characters, weaker plot lines and became less compelling in virtually every way. But I'll always like LOST because S1 is still one of the greatest seasons of television ever made. In hindsight it looked liked they'd decided on an ending somewhere in the middle of the show and then S4, 5 and 6 was just contrived filler to pad out the story before eventually reaching that point.

>>84276775
When was the horrible drop in production value?

I would say Seasons 1 and 2 are great, season 3 is good and season 4 is watchable and could have been a good ending if done right.

When the island started traveling through time it became bad. The whole 70s plotline is horrible thinking back on it, especially the part where half the characters randomly disappear off a plane in mid air and end up on the ground 30 years back.

>>84277892
>When was the horrible drop in production value?

All of the effects dropped in quality. The smoke monster began to look like absolute shit. I'm sure someone ITT will have that submarine gif.

>>84275983
Season 5.

>>84276621
Ghosts who had a knowledge of the group's lives before the island?

>>84277870
They went through season 3 with no solid idea when it was going to end and then negotiated with ABC to do 48 more episodes. This was broken into 3 seasons for money reasons. Then the writers strike happened and things went to shit. The new crew (Frank, Miles, Charlotte, Daniel) were each supposed to get their own episodes to close out season 4. Instead we got the 1 episode were each character got a couple of scenes. They missed a great opportunity to expand on some of the mythology.

Season 5 is when it all went to hell. The writers quit caring about what they had set up in previous seasons. Sure, Danielle doesn't remember the one Korean guy on the island or the guy who stole her baby. They go back to the 70's and fucking Horace is in charge? Really? And another squandered chance to address the mythology.

Then the shitshow that is season 6. They create a bullshit sideflash story line to maintain the mystery and give people a touchy feely ending. At least 1/3 of showtime was wasted that could have been spent answering questions. The weight of all character deaths was nullified because 10 second later you see them alive in well. Jin and Sun die an neither says "hey we have a daughter, Jin/I should live." Another anon touched on the made up rules between Samuel and Jacob. The island is the keeper of light bullshit...

How I think it should have gone down: The island is the nexus point for exotic matter spots all over the globe. If something happens to the island, all those points erupt. No magical light bullshit. They use Desmond to lure Samuel/Smokey above on of those points on the island and detonate it. They set this up when Desmond was brought to the island and tested but I don't know why they abandoned it.

>>84275983
When there was a fucking Polar bear that was never explained at all.

>>84278074
I'm rewatching the show, the effects always where dogshit, the smoke being the most noticeable.

>>84278352
>The island is the nexus point for exotic matter spots all over the globe. If something happens to the island, all those points erupt. No magical light bullshit.

how is this any different? Because it's "scientific" it's suddenly interesting?

>. Jin and Sun die an neither says "hey we have a daughter, Jin/I should live."

Jin didn't know his daughter, he spent the whole show refinding his wife and he chose to stay with his wife.

>The weight of all character deaths was nullified because 10 second later you see them alive in well

Yeah i guess that was confusing but they weren't "alive and well" and to be fair I don't remember most of the deaths but jack closing his eyes for the last time did make me feel things.

>>84278378
Top quality bait, I am sure someone will fall for it.

When the hatch and the button ended up being a nothing burger.

>>84278496
The polar bear was originally linked to Walt. As if he conjured it based on the comic he was reading. They mostly abandoned the Walt was special story line, bringing it back briefly in season 2. When they brought in the Dharma initiative that is how the polar bear was explained.

>>84278588
So? I know that, i was talking about the special effects.

>>84276775

>characters being written out because their respective actors committed minor offences

Explain.

>>84275983
I used to hate lost ending but after watching The Leftovers LOST is a fucking masterpiece compared to "DUDE LET THE MYSTERY BE LMAO"

>>84278723
police chick was drunk driving and died because of that (on the show)

>>84278378
>>84278564
What was the reason behind it? I've completely forgotten. Was it just brought over by the Dharma guys?

>>84277892
season 5 is where the show completely fell apart because that was the season where they had to actually start answering some questions about the island. the scene where faradays mother explains how the island moves and scientists discovering pockets of electromagnetism was so fucking clunky and half assed.

the other scene that complete ruined this show is the scene where juliet explains to some of the characters what ethan was doing when he kidnapped claire. this was the scene when i realized any answer they give to all the mysteries on the island would be eye rolling horse shit

>build up Walt for 2 seasons
>drop his storyline because the actor grew too big/old in size
>not using this incredible growth spurt as part of your time travel storyline

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>Greatest show of all time
>In trouble

Haha

>>84278765
yes nigga they show the empty cage in one of the episodes

>>84278836
walt growing up too fast was just an excuse to drop his story. it's a tv show, literally no one would care about this. they just had no clue what to do with him so they just dropped it and told everyone he grew up too fast.

>>84278857
this

>>84278762

Ana Lucia was fucking annoying anyway though. Also, Michael killing her and Libby was one of the best moments in the show purely because of shock value.

>>84275983

The first 3 seasons are great.

It goes gradually downhill from there, getting progressively worse. Worst of all is when you realize the writers had no plan, not only with these background mysteries and subplots, but even with the main plot.

>>84278762
Ana Lucia was the worst character in the entire show though

>>84276415
I agree. It also made no sense to me why a group of civilized people would go to such great lengths to pretend that they were mysterious and tribal. I feel like Jack would have been more willing to perform Ben's spinal surgery if Ben and the rest of the Others had been more upfront from the start.

Season 2 was pure kino, Desmond and Eko were the best characters on the show

And the entire premise of the bunker and the climax with desmond, eko and locke was amazing

lindelof learned a lot writing lost and changed his tactics for the leftovers. he realized that if you tell everyone upfront that nothing will ever be explained and 'let da mystery b' then he can do whatever the hell he wants and retards will praise it

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I like how it never occurred to them that the kid playing Walt, who was implied to be special and intergral to the greater plot in season 1, might hit a growth spurt in puberty and fuck with their in-show timeline.

2>1>3>4>6>5

>>84279216
the growth thing is an excuse, stop buying into that crap. the kids in game of thrones all hit growth spurts, no one really cared, and they continued making the show.

>>84278874
I think that's a great example of a disappointing, unsatisfying resolution to one of the mysteries. The theories that people were coming up with on message boards and forums were usually far more interesting than what we got.

>>84278765
i think they explained why they brought the polar bears over in a webisode or something. the dharma guys were training the polar bears to turn the wheels, they used polar bears because they thought the exit point was in antarctica. something like that, i dont remember exactly

>>84278857
>>84278885
>that fucking nonsense in the later seasons
>great

'no'

>>84279327
Was that a disappointment? It was a pretty good explanation for why there were polar bears on and Island in the Pacific ocean. Some scientists were studying cognitive abilities of them there. There were really hurried and rushed and hurried answers like the whispers and the numbers but the show was never about getting the answers anyway

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>>84279396
>the dharma guys were training the polar bears to turn the wheels

Really?

>>84279473
gullible faggot

>>84279473
No they weren't. The were testing the effects of the island on their cognitive behavior. It is implied that they used one to use the wheel, because Charlotte found the dharma collar in the desert with the polar bear skeleton not to far from where ben and locke appeared

Is there any good episodes post-S3?

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>>84279689
Many people claim The Constant to be the best episode in LOST.

>>84275983
When it went from a show focussing on the interrelations between plane crash survivors, who landed on an island, to a mystic spooky show

>>84278247
You're implying that the writers had a plan.

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The goddamn Cylons had more of a Plan than the LOST writers.

>>84279689
Yeah, literally every episode of Season 4, you plebian retard.

>>84275983
Generation Z faglings will never know what it was like when LOST aired. Nothing on television has since come even close to recapturing that same feeling.

>>84279689
The Constant The Shape Of Things to Come Cabin Fever Some Like it Hoth Happily ever After The Candidate The End

>>84279989
>Some Like it Hoth
GTFO

Someone please post the submarine.

>>84279961
That feeling had dissipated by s4/5.

>>84280030
It was just a goofy fun episode with a decent self contained narrative with a good emotional payoff at the end.

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>>84275983
Is there a fan made recut of the whole show that's KINO?
Fans should be allowed to recut shows that were lindelof'ed or ruined by showrunners who lost their cool.

Imagine Dexter recut.

Does such a thing exist?

Absolutely ever character introduced after Desmond and Eko was shit-tier and a big part of why the show became so flat.

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>>84280058

This one?

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Posting verticals.

>>84280159
Ben was god tier until they neutered him in s5. Miles and Frank were both pretty good, Juliette too

>>84275983
When I realized the polar bear meant nothing.

Why was there a dharma symbol on the shark?

Why was Michael unable to kill himself?

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last one but isnt a vertical.

>>84279689

Most of S4 and S5, and a few S6 episodes like Ab Aeterno and Happily Ever After.

end of S2 when they made it apparent they werent actually going to answer any mysteries and just keep pilling on

>>84280388

>have a bad day
>see this
>suddenly feel better

Works every time.

>>84276989
Honestly that was the worst decision in the show. Locke should have came back for real, it would have been a lot more interesting.

>>84277797
>Sawyer and Hurley commit double manslaughter because they didn't check for a pulse

Ok I was insanely addicted to this show while it was on. I enjoyed the first few seasons but then it went down hill. Mostly because it was trying to uphold the character based drama from the first season while hinting at mythology. We got the hatch and then they blew up the hatch and destroyed the set so a lot of answers there never happened. Like why did radzinsky make that map or cut the tape or anything who knows here is Locke working on a pot farm in the past.

As the show got more into mysteries the characters were less important. Or at least ones like Jack and Kate were but the show refused to focus flashbacks on the more interesting mythos centric characters.

I feel like the time travel was a good remedy for this as we got essentially flashbacks of the island with people we know there to contextualize everything.

But then just as it was going ok....
season 6.
God that was when the show just said fuck you. The smoke monster was turned into some angry dude who was Locke so that he was important enough to follow and everything was explained with "that's the rules". Plus the sideways flashes were just there for added mystery and shoehorning now irrelevant characters back into the story for a finale twist purgatory which ultimately had nothing to do with the mythos of the island other than "y'all were friends there together :)"

The finale of lost could have been the finale of literally any other tv show.

But still the show had great episodes and I'm glad I watched all of it but damn that last season was just bad.

>>84280528
It was a really awesome twist it just didn't hold up in the following season.

>>84280190
I love dinasaur heds

>>84280360
I miss Abatap.

>tfw thinking about how good LOST could have been without network meddling

If they wanted to expand on the history and mythos of the island and show how things came to be, then they should have just done a couple of dedicated historical episodes outwith the established characters. Time travel was stupid.

>>84280874
network meddling? the networks were the ones who had to force lindelof to give people answers

>>84280897
It wasn't any stupider than a magic island that heals you and moves around. At least the time travel logic was sound and didn't let them muck anything up.

The Faraday being killed by his mother in the past and her having to raise him to be the scientist who would eventually be killed by her was an especially nice touch.

>>84280897
them going back in time just to tell the story of what happened to the dharma initiative was really lame. they should have just left it alone, using time travel to show what happened to them was a huge mistake

>>84280992
I've blocked all the Faraday shit out. Awful character who was synonymous with the worst parts of the show.

Why wasn't Ben in the church at the end?

>>84275983
When the batteries ran out

S2 > 3 > Rest. When they started with the timetravelling bs in S4 I knew what was coming

Season 5 sure filters out all the plebs.

>>84281414
No it just confirms people that defend it as retards.

>DUDE it's about the characters LMAO
The characters were never less important to the show than in S5 and S6.

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>>84277753
>>84280163
>>84280190
>>84280215
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>>84281533
It's more like let's tell the story of all this old shit that normies stopped caring about but Sawyer and Jack are there so the housewives don't complain.

>>84281671
>normies
Lurk more and kill yourself, newfag trash. not even him

what is the man in black's real name

>>84281735
I'm just trying to be relatable with the hip kid lingo daddyo.

So Ben didn't want to let the candidates off the island because they were candidates, so what about other characters? Why didn't he want to let Juliette go, was it because he loved her?

The first episode of season 5 is the exact moment the show went to shit.

>>84281905
Did he even know the actual candidates? He never actually ever even met Jacob.

He wanted Juliet around because he was obsessed with the whole baby making thing. Either because he was worried about Alex getting pregnant by Karl or maybe... He wanted his own babies idk. We don't even really know why mothers die on the island even though they go back in time and find out whatever happened to make that happen hasn't happened yet.

>>84281985
The writers completely dropped the baby thing like it never existed

>>84282051
Well they brought it back up in season 5 when Juliet helped deliver a baby Ethan so it seemed like they would explain it then they just didn't.

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>>84277278
but I did

What was your favourite early theory of the show? I read a crazy one I liked about the island being a secret nazi scientist base that Hitler escaped to after the war.

>>84275983
when the writers strike happened.

>>84282425
When I watched the first season I thought it was about an island somewhere near the Antarctic (hence the polar bear) and that the smoke monster's sounds were actually dinosaur roars, so I expected the show to be similar to Jurassic Park

>>84279236
i can agree with this. your taste did not go unnoticed

>>84278836
Fucking this >>84278883
They were lazy, they could easily have explained it if they wanted, they just didn't.

>>84279216
It's just a dumb excuse, they could've literally made it part of his storyline if they really wanted to, it's just that they didn't really know what to do with him.

>>84281073
>t. mindless pleb

>>84279752
It is.

It's self satisfying, you don't even need the context of the show itself to comprehend and enjoy its plot. It's a microcosm of everything good about Lost, starring the best character

>>84280138
"Lost: The miniseries" is an overhaul of Season 6 that seeks to rework and change the entire conclusion. I've never seen it, and it's near impossible to find online these days, but I've heard very good things about it.

>>84279989
Greatest hits and trough the looking glas part 2 are excelent.

>>84279396
where those two guys in the epilogue really living like 20 years just sending boxes?

>>84277642
>Jack's character remained great.
How? He didn't have a personality at all. He was the most clinically "pure" good guy in the history of television. Even Mickey Mouse comes second to that guy.

>>84282125
strange. means you watched it only because of the mysteries and therefore should kill yourself asap

>>84284314
he was a reluctant leader and a pefectionist which resulted in his being alone in the finale and sacrificing himself for everyone else

>>84284532
dude it was all about the characters lmao

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tfw kate is so old...

>>84284745
well yes. definitely

I have some questions I hope /tv/ can answer

Why didn't the Others visit/know about The Swan?

What was Ben doing in the jungle when Rousseau caught him?

Why weren't the polar bears that escaped from Hydra island recaptured?

How did Eloise know about the Lamp Post and how to find the island and Widmore didn't?

Why were the barracks shown underwater as if Jughead had gone off in the 70s if the flash-sideways universe was really the afterlife?

>>84284785
she was cute in season 1 and that's about it. after s1 she became a gym rat and got all wrinkly and nasty

>>84279216
He was not even close to puberty as far as I remember. How getting a few cm longer affects his plots?

>>84284875
the others knew about the swan, haven't you watched 'exposé'?
ben was going to the hatch on purpose, which one - it is left for you to decide
cause they escaped after the purge
eloise is likely to have the same powers as desmond and to have joined dharma after leaving the island... is it so hard to imagine on your own?
that scene was to confuse the viewers and show that there's no island in the flashsideways universe

>>84284929
They didn't fire him because he got older. They fired him because they're ableist scum.

>>84284875
>Why didn't the Others visit/know about The Swan?
who the hell knows

the cia guy mentions radzinsky (the bald dharma nutjob in season 5) a few times, he apparently taught the cia guy everything about the station. how or why radzinsky ended up pressing the button for all those years after ben killed everyone in the dharma initiative is unexplained. i'm sure ben knew about the swan because it's fucking ben.

>>84285195
the others knew about the swan but didn't break quarantine cause they knew the shit down there was important. richard saw the consequences of not containing the energy with his own fucking eyes.

remember when locke just straight up murdered that chick with a knife?

>>84281867
Randall Flagg. It all takes place in the Stephen King universe.

>>84285574
well i mean he was kind of right in the end, the people on the boat were only there for ben

Everything was fine, until the hatch opened.

>>84281867
Barry.

>>84285709
I was really hoping for the Jurassic Park logo inside. Trojan horsing that IP into lost and explaining away the magnetic field on the island as a device Hammond set up to keep outsiders away would work.

>>84276775
>>the horrible drop in production values
Not really sure what you mean by this
>>the time travel - dude we're in the 70s now LMAO
Time travel is always going to be a personal preference, the people that don't like it are always not going to like it. Personally I don't think they did anything special enough to love or different enough to hate
>>characters being written out because their respective actors committed minor offences
Don't see how this is an actual complaint seeing as how it didnt impact the show negatively besides us not seeing more of Libby's backstory
>>the donkey wheel
This I'll give you, though I personally didn't mind it
>>the "sideways" flashes
What's the complaint here? Did you not understand what was happening or something?
>>the arbitrary list of rules between Jacob and MiB
you mean the long list that just includes them not being able to kill each other or Jacobs candidates?
>>le magic evil-preventing cork
It was a metaphor


Of all the legitimate things to complain about the show, why did you pick the most nitpicky things? I'm starting to think you actually like lost or you just havent seen it

>>84286587
Did they ever explain Libby's backstory anyway? Can't remember

>>84285574
but he couldn't kill jack who, in his turn , pulled the trigger

>>84286952
why do you need it? all was explicitly stated in live together die alone

When they introduced the "Tailies"

but once they announced they were only going to do 6 seasons after 3 ended, they recovered.

>>84275983
When the others were doing what they did to control the denizens. That SciFi aspect was fucking retarded.

I didn't realize how good of a character Locke was until I watched from the beginning.

>>84285587
>nozz-a-la on Henry Gale's balloon

you may be onto something anon

>>84286587
>What's the complaint here? Did you not understand what was happening or something?
I understood it perfectly. It was filler. Morons like you were eating up everything at that point.
>you mean the long list that just includes them not being able to kill each other or Jacobs candidates?
...and what forms he's allowed to take and where he's allowed to travel. None of this is ever expanded on because it's awful, contrived shit.
>It was a metaphor
It wasn't a metaphor though - that would be tolerable. It was a literal fucking cork.
>I'm starting to think you actually like lost or you just havent seen it
t. LOST autist. I'm pointing out the problems the show eventually ran into so I must not have watched it.

>>84282548
so what was it liking growing up retarded?

>>84280874
Lindelof was killing it all by himself.

>>84275983
It's kind of hard to define because even though the first 4 seasons are enjoyable in their own right there's a load of little hints as to what a shitshow season 5 and 6 would be peppered throughout.

I think the most concrete sign would be either the very first mention of Jacob, which established that even though we were supposed to be finally getting answers on who the Others were, there was more vague mysterious bullshit to them still to cover.

The other contender would be "We have to go back" which isn't bad in of itself and it was a brilliant cliffhanger back in the day, but it's clear in retrospect that it was written with no plan as to how they would actually get there once the Oceanic Six arrive back home, which meant they had to completely retool every one of them to make it fit. This is why you get nonsensical bullshit like Sun working with Widmore even though he was directly responsible for Jin's (supposed) death and Jack respecting and even liking Locke after spending 3 seasons hating the guy.

But if you REALLY wanna dig into it the point that things went to shit was when a competent screenplay about people surviving a plane crash on a remote island was thrown out by Abrams and Lindeloff for a bunch of "muh mystery box" bullshit.

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>>84275983
Episode 1, when the engine not connected to a fuel supply sucks up someone and kills them.

It was quite a struggle to get to the end of season 1. I don't know how anyone likes this shit. Shit is worse than Walking Dead.

>>84276263
Huh?

>>84285574
locke did literally nothing wrong

>>84281633
>>84281659
Well that's just good fun. Your posts were fun.

the shark jumping moment was the first time they go to the cabin

>>84280694
who are you? nobody calls them this except lostpedia retards.

>>84291259
I was big in the lostpedia scene back in the day. The forum has long since been dead though.

>>84282051
>>84282124
I always thought it was because of the detonation of the bomb (because most of the shit happening in Lost goes back to the bomb), the effects of which are still causing trouble in the present (see: Desmond's hatch). Women who were born on the island would suffer from electromagnatic radiation throughout their lives, and it would affect their pregnancy.

Claire could give birth because she arrived when she was heavily pregnant. Sun was affected, but Juliet could treat.

When Juliet saved the woman in the past, the bomb hadn't gone off yet, so what caused problems to the woman's pregnancy was something else.

>>84291295
kek, me too. small interwebs.

>>84291318
trying to make sense of it is kind of pointless.

the island has healing powers, it apparently healed roses cancer, but they can't have kids there because...reasons? the radiation fucks up the uterus or whatever, but it also heals cancer? lol wtf is this shit bravo lindelof

>>84286952
Not explicitly, but my guess is she caught glimpses of the afterlife ("flash-sideways"), maybe due to near-death experience, and thought she was going insane, eventually ending up in the mental institution.

>>84276112
Same, they discovered some hatch or something and then some other people and it all meant fuck all to me. There was just a series of repeated cliffhangers and more and more questions with no answers.

Showed my hand early and folded, glad I didn't waste my time in that abortion.

I've done the same with game of thrones and the walking dead. I will wait untill its over and then gather whether its worth wasting time on.

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>>84290796

>I share a board with this level of plebbery

>>84291459
The fucked up thing is it makes infertle men fertile and girls pregnant women.
Like that's gotta be the more anti women island.

>>84275983
The time travel bullshit and everything after that.

>>84291459
Healing and harming was a kind of yin-yang thing with the island, represented through Jacob and his brother.

There is a theory that their mother was both the protector and the smoke monster, holding both powers, and that it was split between the twins when she died. Maybe the island, its powers directly connected to the brothers, was ruptured too. Now it heals at random, or in a limited capacity.

Trying to make sense *is* pointless, especially now that Lost is long over, but there are so many things to connect upon re-watch, even if they don't shove it in your face. Some of it is way out there, some of it's an educated guess, some things just make sense without them directly spelling it out for you.

>>84291697
What's good about it?

All I remember is 1. A guy getting sucked up by a detached jet engine in ep 1, 2. the characters were awful and I wanted them to die, 3. I vaguely remember an exceptionally awful scene where they were trying to get something out of an airplane or something.

I don't get it. What's the appeal?

I'm actually rewatching it right now, just a few episodes away from the finale. My main problem is that instead of using season 6 to resolve most of the questions they keep adding new stuff that doesn't make any sense. Everything related to the Temple in season 6 is extremely retarded.

Other than that, I'm enjoying it, Ben Linus is one of the best tv villains.

>>84278762
Very hypocritical given that according to the actor who plays Charlie, Matthew Fox hits women

>>84291776
>There is a theory that their mother was both the protector and the smoke monster, holding both powers, and that it was split between the twins when she died

whoever came up with that put more thought into it than lindelof did. one of the first things the mother says is "any question you ask will lead to another question." fucking guy is unbelievable.

>>84292116
The entire show devolved into "don't ask me, ask the guy that was here before me!". Disgusting.

>>84291949
Matthew Fox is Jack. Charlie is Dominic somethinglongishname

>>84276775
Sorry I went to sleep.
>the horrible drop in production values
I won't defend this but plausible effects are not a grave concern of mine
>the time travel - dude we're in the 70s now LMAO
It's a narrative device and it makes perfect sense within both the plot of the show and the story
>characters being written out because their respective actors committed minor offences
This never happened, if you're referring to Ana-Lucia as you claim downthread. Rodriguez's original contract said her character would die at the end of season 2 (this is supported by rodriguez, lindelof and cuse), Ana-Lucia's arc was basically completed (being a hostile tailie), and if it were punitive, she appears in four, count 'em, four episodes after her death.

Adewale would have been a better point to make, being that Eko's arc was supposed to continue but he didn't want to live in Hawaii anymore. So they fused his story with Locke's. And frankly, looking at the finished product, that just seems like a happy accident, because Locke's storyline was pretty ace.
>the donkey wheel
What's to defend? Religious imagery was prevalent in the show from day nought.
>the "sideways" flashes
Again, what's to defend?
>the arbitrary list of rules between Jacob and MiB
Look this is a fair enough complaint. I, personally, don't mind it, because I can see the symbolism behind it. Fire and water have a lot of symbolic utility in the lost universe, so it makes sense that ash and water trap him. The fact that they can't hurt each other is literally the animus for almost every story event in the show, so I can't be upset at that either.
>le magic evil-preventing cork
I'm starting to feel like your idea of a show being in trouble = the explanations for gaps in the narrative were too fantastical for me, and we're just not going to see eye to eye on it.

anyone got the image of the black smoke and his made up imaginary rules

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>it's a Juliet cucks Kate episode

>>84293702
>It's a Juliet says Kate is pregnant episode

>>84275983

When I watched the first episode and concluded it was poorly written garbage.

>>84291563
her husband died and she was in depression. how she got in la is the same question as how sawyer met christian in some aussi bar - pure coincidence

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>>84293646
Here lad.

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>>84294313
Awesome! Been looking for this since the forever, thanks.

At the end of s3 when they have the blueprints for the underwater Dharma station they are clearly labelled as for being for the looking glass hatch.

But the Oceanic survivors were the only ones to refer to the staions as hatches due to the actual hatch Locke found in the jungle.

I know its just a shitty production error but it stuck out to me watching it at the time as especially egregious.

Also the asian guy at the start of season 6 in the temple was an exeptionally pointless character to introduce. His storyline just slowed things down instead of moving towards a conclusion.

>>84294725
everything in the temple was so out of fucking place. i will never understand why they didn't just have richard be the protector of the temple instead of the random japanese guy that just shows up out of nowhere.

>>84294313
Defend this, L O S T autists.

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>>84276775
>>characters being written out because their respective actors committed minor offences
???
I know Ekko wanted out, but who was forced out?

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>>84294313
>you're a dick
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>>84295262
Thinking of them in terms of discrete rules is probably misleading, they're all part of a broader framework of symbolism where jacob = good and mib = bad. Explaining each individual rule takes at least 5x as much effort as identifying each rule and dismissing it as stupid. But, anyway:
Rules 1-4: the protector of the island can't be killed by the black smoke. This is an arbitrary creation insofar as all narratives are arbitrary creations. This particular arbitrary creation prompts the entire story of LOST. Jacob bringing people to the island and the MIB manipulating them into killing each other = the story of lost.
Rule 5: Jacob's touch is shown to have numerous features consistent with goodness, including healing (reviving John) and extending life (making Richard ageless). It shouldn't be surprising that the selection process for candidates to replace him as the guardian of human goodness also involves touching. But explaining what specifically it is about his touch that makes this so misses the point of LOST. Cuse and Lindelof called it the midichlorian problem, or the Joop solution. Where giving too pedantic a treatment of a story element destroys the story element. You want Joop sitting in a swivel chair smoking a pipe explaining every """mystery""". The answer is that Jacob has a magic touch because it fits with his characterisation, he guards the light which represents goodness, therefore he has superpowers that are connected to human goodness, like healing or life.
Rule 6: MIB = bad. Death = bad. MIB can turn into dead people.

>>84280446
He couldn't kill himself the same reason Jack couldn't. The island still needed him to do something.

>>84295262
Rule 7: There's a pretty strong suggestion that the smoke monster and the guardian of the light are tethered to one another. Jacob's Mother was probably both. The guardian is probably supposed to be both. Jacob and MIB happened to separate these roles as Jacob became protector and then MIB entered the source and became black smoke. Therefore Jacob's death affects MIB's abilities.
Rule 8: Ghost Jacob was just Jacob not moving on, as are all Island ghosts, as was explained pretty clearly by ghost Michael. Jacob was able to move on once a new protector was assigned. The campfire was not literally a ticking clock on his ghostliness, it was just him putting pressure on the candidates.
Rule 10: This isn't a rule, Jacob can live wherever he likes.
Rule 11: This is a mistake on the part of the producers. I think it was just a wink and a nod to the people theorising that the smoke monster was a nanobot cloud, but once they firmly established what the monster was, it doesn't make sense at all. A pedantic answer could be that the sonar fence emits some sort of electromagnetic radiation, which would make more sense as a repellant, as electromagnetism definitely is anathema to smokey. But it's just high frequency buzzes, so it doesn't mke sense unless the writers are scientifically illiterate.
Rule 13: Water is a symbol used many times in the show for purity and goodness. There's all that stuff about baptism, there's the Temple pool going black when Sayid is infected. Water repelling smokey = totally consistent with the internal lost logic.
>>84296609
Nobody, it's just a stupid fan theory from season 2 that has no substance to it at all.

>>84280446
DHARMA on the shark because it was held in the aquarium on the hydra. Juliet says this in the first (or second) episode of season 3. Pay attention.

>>84281292
He did tons of horrible shit and was responsible for the direct or indirect deaths of many people. He was an awful asshole, so he needed to sort things out before he moved on.

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Lost theory to make the abrupt abandonment of the Widmore/Ben rivalry plotline a little less annoying

>After a millenium or two, Jacob becomes sort of morbidly curious as to how he and his brother will end up. He sees the growing animosity between Widmore and Ben and acts on it, crafting the two of them into rivals in a scale model of the conflict between himself and his brother. He gives them rules based on the ones that bind him and his brother and watches to see what happens- will they reach an agreement? Find a convoluted way to circumvent the rules and kill one another? War with each other until they both just drop dead? Eventually grow tired of the conflict and mutually drift away from it?
>Unfortunately he doesn’t get to see his plan come to a head as he kind of dies, but he was hoping to gain insight into his own future.

When it had 22 episode seasons

>>84298615
>He gives them rules based on the ones that bind him and his brother and watches to see what happens

that's conveniently leaving out the fact ben fucking kills widmore

It becomes irredeemable bullshit after the hatch reveal. No one can prove me wrong.

Is there a more "AT LAST I TRULY SEE" episode of anything than the one where Desmond is put into the electromagnetic thing and peers into the 'real' afterlife timeline?

>>84298855
Yes. Rust at the end of True Detective.

>>84298855
>the last we see of desmond he is convinced there is "a better world" where everyone is happy and he is with penny
>he doesn't care for his own safety
>doesn't know it's the afterlife.
>he tries to get back there after the real world doesn't compare to its beauty
>but this time he might try to take penny and his son with him