Star Trek General

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It's a Bajor episode

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what the fuck was her problem?

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it's a Trip goes on an adventure episode

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It's a TNG filler episode

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>>84264262

>>84264362
Only ones the ones who grew up in Asia

>>84264362
I'm just pretending this doesn't exist. I suggest you do the same.

I honestly want to be hopeful for ST:D, but frankly the more I see the more shit it looks.

Ensign Syl was pretty cute.

>>84265339
I'm the opposite. The more I see about STAR TREK DISCOVERY, the better I feel. I'm pretty optimistic at this point. Seems like it's going to be a great series and worthy of the STAR TREK brand.

>>84265339
I'm sure it'll be mediocre for a season or two.

>>84265411
>>84265339
SJWs will ruin it like they ruin everything.

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>4th season gets rush ending.
>no 5th season where Shran joins the Enterprise crew.

>>84264362

Literally who.

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How can such a meaningless, irrelevant episode be so good?

I'll never understand it.

>>84264627

>it's a yeoman has to clean up Porthos' shit episode

>>84265562
I mean not every episode has to be part of some grandiose overarching story. Unless you meant something else?

Daily reminder that Sisko is a war criminal that gassed an entire planet

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>it's an evil alternate timeline episode

>>84265472
I'm in favor of social justice, so I guess we're on different sides of the argument.

>>84265528

What the fuck would he have even done on the ship?

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>>84265602
>Mirror Universe episode
>All of the people are nice and there is no conflict
>The cast realizes they are the evil universe

>>84265612
MACOs

just finished watching ST: Beyond for the first time

ppeewwwwweeeeeeewwwww

boy they fucked it up good

>>84265606

I might agree if social justice didn't equate to social retardation these days.

>>84265639
BSD is not to be trifled with

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"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."

>>84265587
I meant why was a single episode that was really its own individual thing so much more memorable than more plot-driven main stories?

Why did it feel so much more touching and well-paced than other, more important, episodes?

>>84265606
Social Justice is just a buzzword to rile up liberals up so they can feel good about themselves being such good, progressive people.

What we need is a meritocracy and less regulation on what people are allowed to do. Liberals don't want that though.

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>>84265716
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SO MANY AGENDAS

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>>84265716
>20 cm long and barbed.

>it's a T'pol takes a 45 minute bath episode.

>>84265761
wew lad

>>84266034
i laughed out loud, friend

>>84265761
In my life, I try to work towards social justice. I recognize my advantages in society and try to contribute to efforts, often monetarily, to help level the playing field. I feel this is both good and also in keeping with the Star Trek Spirit.

I don't see how a so-called meritocracy can work without a tabula rasa event. Otherwise, those who have gained territory and power in the previous non-meritocratic system would clearly have an unfair advantage, right?

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Ok, I have a few suggestions to improve Discovery. One, Ezri needs to be cuter, in command, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Ezri is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Ezri"? Three--

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..would still sex.

>>84266438
I too would have sex with Anderson Cooper.

>>84265744
you just described a bunch of star trek episodes. "its only a paper moon" is another one.

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>>84266438
who looks better?

Nana or Lohan?
>nana is twice lohan's age

>>84265411
That's some fine bait lad, though the capitalization is getting stuck in my craw.

>be me
>seen all of TOS, TNG, most of Voy and a smattering of DS9
>Netflix has all Star Trek on demand
>fuckingsweet.jpg
> marathon TNG
>early eps are fucking shit but it gets better
>get to season 5 and get kinda bored
>wanna new crew, something different
>start watching DS9
>fucking amazeballs
>alot of filler but the meat is fantastic
>get to the end
>need more Trek
>choose Voyager, it's been a long time
>Nope out after 6 episodes
>go back to TNG
>too fucking bland, to black and white

DS9 ruined ST for me

>>84265339
>ST:D
It's literally AIDS

>>84266376
What ever makes you feel good, sweet heart.

The territory and power gained was gained through merit. Merit isn't just your potential, it is potential+what you have done.

>>84267349
+what advantages you had to start with?

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>>84267334

it was a typo

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>>84267322
>be me
>fuckingsweet.jpg
>amazeballs
>nope out

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>>84265716

>>84267458
Hello. I love reddit and participate on reddit every single day. What's your point? You go there too. I know because everyone loves reddit. Reddit is the freaking front page of the Internet. Please stop making posts like this. You aren't special. Everyone knows that you visit reddit.

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>>84267572

>>84267424
Merit is not made of your advantages. Everyone has advantages. Those advantages don't mean shit if you haven't done anything. Merit is determined by what you have done.

What we want to eliminate is racist policies that discriminate against more qualified candidates.

>>84267787
My dear brainlet, if you eliminate policies favoring specific persons after a long period of time where such policies have existed, the result is not equality nor equality of opportunity.

Implement laissez-faire capitalism today and the result is the Rothschilds rule the world. Same as today, you dumb idiot.

>>84267949
And why shouldn't they? Haven't they earned it?

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>>84267949
>my hypothetical scenario proves my own argument

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>>84265716
"Commander, tell me about your gold pressed Latinum."

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Kira's legs.

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Ezri's legs.

>>84268951
That outfit was amazing

>>84269163
Delicious Jadzia. I want her to crack jokes at me until I break.

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>>84269841
I'd say "fuck that old whore" but literally everyone in the Alpha Quadrant has.

>>84266407
I would just suggest to make a movie about USS Aventine.

If they can made a TV show that is not about Enterprise, they can do the same with a movie.

No, really. Lets make a movie about USS Aventine.

>>84270878
>being this mad that Jadzia had a character and all your waifu is is terrible fapbait

Jadzia and Ezri were both terrible for different reasons. Jadzia's actor was good but the character had zero development, and Ezri's actor was horrible but the character had pretty good development.

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It's a Vic has to convince a grown ass man to leave his momma's house and become a real human bean episode.

>>84265562

back in the day, when tv was actually fun to watch, most episodes werent part of a fucking continual plot line that kept shoving PLOT FOR THIS SEASON PLOT FOR THIS SEASON in your face.

>>84270878
>>84271485
>>84271793
Ezri is a better character, with better acting and better writing, but if Dax was a real person then Jadzia would be more fun to be around.

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>>84264262

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>>84272028
was their a Bajoran version of this image?

>>84271985
She wasn't likeable at all. Everytime she was on the screen and had her mouth running, I just wanted her off. She was just so annoying.

>>84272153
Garak pls

So, we're all in agreement?

Lwaxana Troi
Ezri Dax
Cute Hairstyle Kira
Moogie
Dax' Risan Lover
Jadzia Dax
Comfort Woman Kira
The Lusty Cardassian
First Episode Kira
Mirror Universe Ezri
Leeta
Sarina
Kasidy Yates
Molly
Major Kira
Redeemed Adami
Hunter Gatherer Molly
Female Changeling
Kai Winn
Admiral Bitcheyev
Keiko
Fallen Adami
Mirror Universe Kira

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damn ezri looks like THAT?!

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>>84265528

>>84265562
Because it has Paul Winfield in it and he's a fantastic actor. He's in WoK too & that's the best TOS movie, coincidence?

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He did nothing wrong.

>>84272802
Cutest MILF in this solar system.

>>84267322
>be me
I don't want to.

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>>84273057
Step aside.

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Did the writers deliberately make her an unlikable cunt so the producers would rehire Gates McFadden?

>>84271985
>Ezri is a better character, with better acting and better writing

There is literally no reason for a person of any sort of intelligence to say this other than waifufaggotry.

>>84273228
no because they wanted a new bones

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>episode starts with Riker in charge finding a space derelict freezer with real 20th century relic human beings inside
>"let's get rid of that debris"
>data:"commander, permission to beam aboard the derelict"
>riker:"whatever, just hurry up"
>*beams aboard and finds humans still frozen*
>data:"commander, we've found (fucking real living) human beings (from the fucking 20th century way the fuck out here still frozen - what are the fucking odds?!?!)"
>riker:"yeah so?"
>data:"permission to beam the aboard"
>riker: *sigh* "fine, just hurry up"

later

>crusher: "captain, data beamed over some humans from the 20th century that were somehow found way out here near the neutral zone and the poewr source kept them in tact"
>picard: "What?! this is an outrage! data get in here!"
>data:"I could not leave them their captain"
>picard:" data they were already dead! too bad they're alive now"

HOw fucking stupid and insane were the writers who wrote "the neutral zone" when it came to the b plot? Why does everyone except Data act like it's no big deal to find fully in tact cryogenically frozen human beings from the 20th century floating in a space satellite way out in the neutral zone and they show zero to little interest for these people's revival, nor the sociological and historical implications. Riker acted like he was fucking bored and I believe wanted to fucking phaser the thing.

God this shit pissed me off

>>84273467
They already knew that the frozen people were annoying fucking shits

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>>84272942
>WoK
>the best TOS movie

>>84273294
They failed, because even though Bones is overtly racist towards Spock there is a pre-existing relationship built upon mutual respect.

In TNG Pulaski turns up and just starts being a cunt to Data for no apparent reason. She even made such a bad impression on Picard that he would rather risk death than have her operate on him.

>>84273585
Fuck you Miles you potato nigger. It's easily the best, 6 & 4 come close but after the bore fest Motion Picture Wok is epic as fuck.

>>84273599
not to mention her acting is watching paint dry inside a stuffy attic

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>Its a "were going to leave our daughter of eight years on a LITERALLY uninhabitted planet to live out the rest of her days alone and mentally deranged, never to see here again because we can't handle the thought of either correcting the time line or just sending her to fucking therapy and potentially seeing her again in a few years episode.

Seriously, O'Brien is usually GOAT but wtf was this episode

>>84273741
>Daughter comes out of magic time portal at the wrong time
>Instantly give up on trying again so she doesn't have to suffer almost her entire life alone.

Maybe they just don't like Molly

>>84272756
Jadzia on top, Kai Winn on the bottom, Moogie in 2nd place for >dem lobes.

You also forgot Fem-Quark

>>84273770
I was watching this with a friend who doesn't into star trek and they suggested that "maybe the show just wanted to get rid of the child actors"

Would have been ok by me but in the end literally nothing changes. Worst episode except for Worf

>>84273804
>Worst episode except for Worf
DS9 is well known for ruthless episodes.

Like the one where Worf's brother Kurn gets his brains scrambled and his entire memories destroyed to somehow save his honour.

reminder archer was the only level headed captain. he cared for his crew and ship and did whatever it took to put them first.

picard often let his ship be surrounded and left his shields down

janeway put other species and getting home above all else

sisko fell for the muh alien god meme and would be removed immediately in any competent society

>>84273902
>Bashir could you wipe my brother's memories, effectively murdering him
>k np lol

>>84273261
>Jadzia is a better character, with better acting and better writing

There is literally no reason for a person of any sort of intelligence to say this other than waifufaggotry.

>>84273944
>sisko fell for the muh alien god meme and would be removed immediately in any competent society
Have you even watch DS9? Because it sure doesn't sound like it, and that would explain why you like Enterprise so much.

watching the original series right now, why does kirks shirt get ripped the same way every single time he gets into a fight?

>>84274308
Probably cheapest to have a "damaged" uniform with pre-made tear sections that they can just swap in and out of whenever kirk tustles with a big lizard or what have you

Garak was too good for DS9, i just finished watching the series and it was the most boring piece of shit ever. Really disappointing, it would've been much better without the dominion and with them just exploring the gama sector or whatever. i mean they dedicated 4 seasons to this shit.

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ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS

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>>84272138

>>84274397
How could you like Garak when he was basically only used in episodes you hated?

>>84265612

Been the alien Reed, hell alot like Worf but actually does cool shit rather than chat about it.

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Daily Reminder that Bajorans deserved what they got

Remember that Episode when Garak gets affected by a Combat High, murders 5 Starfleet officers and then returns to normal and everyone just forgot about it?

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>>84275450

>>84275484
Remember the time Garak tried to win the Dominion War alone and they put him in jail for 6 months?

Fucking liberal do-gooders.

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>>84267484
scrolldowntoriker.com

>>84273640
>o'brien wasn't in any of the tng movies
>even broccoli and neelix made it in

>>84273467

You do know that Season 1 was dog shit right? Most Trek seasons don't become good shit until the 3rd season.

TOS was the other way around, that shit gets worse the further you go.

>It's a Kirk calls Spock's behaviour human and Spock says don't insult me
>For the 400th fucking time

Why were the TOS writers such hacks?

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>>84264233
>Earth is a post-scarsity paradise
>colonists go to buttfuck nowhere planets to dig dirt and live in shit like medieval peasants, while getting genocided from orbit by klingons/romulans/whatever every other week
This makes 0(zero) sense.

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Would beaming a Xenomorph egg aboard a Borg cube be a viable tactic?

>>84276491
People are shit, especially perfect people, if I had the option I'd definitely take them up on their offer of a free shuttlecraft and replicator and go live innawoods where nobody will bother me.

And obviously, we only see the examples of colonies in distress, because there's no reason for the crew to visit ones where everything is fine, your perspective on the danger is skewed by this.

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>>84264956
There are literally and unironically no redeeming features to the Bajorans.

>>84264926
This is 90% of TNG

>>84268951
She's a small girl

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>>84276546
>Borg Queen is so far ahead in the polls she "doesn't even think about Locutus"

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>those times when Bajoran characters say things like "oh my god"

>>84276638
Name one

>It's an episodic episode

>>84276501
Xenomorphs need a biological organism to breed inside. The Borg would simply shut down any infested Drone, killing the Xeno with it.

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>It's a Terran Empire episode

BASED

>>84276783
so based that it ended klingonned and spooned and even the fuckings bajorans look down at terrans with contempt.

How come every Kira episode was absolute dog shit despite being a pretty good character?

>>84276809
I like to ignore that part

>>84276756
The Borg are modified organics but they're still organics and their tissue is alive, they replace limbs and eyes but their head and torso is still intact. And Xenos don't need the host to be alive either, e.g. the dead Ox from Alien 3, even if they somehow detected it and killed the drone remotely (can they do that?), it would still be born from the corpse if they didn't destroy it in time.

>You will never be a poor little Starfleet girl that enjoys getting group KLINGONNED on her time off.

Why live?

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>>84276820
Wrong

>>84276868
SPOONED

>>84276868
Spoonhead Kira is somehow more qt

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>>84276820
"No"

>>84276638
I think it happens in The Alternate. If I'm remembering it correctly, Odo's dad says something like "My god, look at you" or something like that.

A few other times in the early days.

>You will never be a qt human Starfleet officer that spends all of her free time at the interspecies breeding grounds

WHY

>>84276868
Got me there, but I meant more along the lines of the fucking uncountable "oh no something happened to my bajoran resistance buddy and/or boyfriend, better figure this one out and cuck odo in the process" episodes. I literally fell asleep to some of them because of how painfully boring they were

>>84273467
Oh look, it's some modern millennial faggot who only watches "breaking bad" style contiguous shows. You don't really know the first thing about science fiction, do you?

>>84265562
That's not "The Inner Light"
>literally Hallmark Channel tier

>>84275623
He was on DS9 by then.

>>84273467
yeah that bothered me too because i really liked the premise of that episode

This >>84276950 was meant for >>84276664

>>84273013
>faggot Bashir doesn't want the founders to all die cause muh odo

>>84276841
>it would still be born from the corpse if they didn't destroy it in time.
Which would happen. Any drone is connected to the Borg hivemind so quarantine at all measures would happen quick.

>>84276995
>oh no something happened to my bajoran resistance buddy and/or boyfriend, better figure this one out
Shakaar was a great episode, as was Wrongs Darker Than whatever it was (at least the first time when I didn't know the ending).

>cuck odo in the process
Odo never told her about his feelings though (future Odo did), it's not really her fault for living her life instead of waiting on a weird alien to ask her out.

>I literally fell asleep to some of them because of how painfully boring they were
That's really sad, old man. TNG won't be your thing either.

>>84273013
Sloan was the best, Section 31 just won the war and good knows how many times before saved the Federations ass.

>>84276546
this must be why i hated that bitch so much, they look and act the same

Do you think shapeshifters like Odo would be the ultimate fucking machines?

Imagine the shapes and ways he could bang Kira?

>>84273585
>he was a lieutenant at one point of his "career"

>>84277095
How? Why? The drones aren't aware during regeneration so they're unlikely to notice being infected personally and the hivemind isn't an all-knowing consciousness tracking things like the organ placements of all the drones.

And even if they spotted the facehuggers, they don't even care about armed humans walking about, I doubt they'd consider little stowaway bugs a threat until at least one Xeno was running around breaking stuff and killing drones on a large scale.

For that matter, I wonder if a drone having an alien burst out their chest would even kill them, as you say, it's barely necessary components at this point, they could probably just replace the ribs and sew him up.

>>84277141
>You will never watch Odo pistoning himself into all three of Kira's holes

WHY

Real talk this is a good Star Trek thread. I think it's because we have a lot of newfriends ITT

>>84277340
Because you're a disgusting cuckhold degenerate and thankfully, most media don't care to pander to you yet.

>>84277367
Discovery will.

what are your thoughts on Sisko plaguing an entire world in order to capture one Maquis commander?

>>84277117
>Wrongs Darker Than whatever it was
Should have looked it up first, I was actually thinking of The Darkness and the Light where someone is murdering her resistance friends, not the time Dukat fucked her mother.

>>84277413
>10,000 counts of attempted murder
>Violated the Cardassian treaty by taking weapons into the DMZ and using them
>Use of biogenic weaponry
He should have been court martialled for it. Even if he wasn't found guilty, there is absolutely no way Starfleet wouldn't hold a lengthy inquest into it.

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>>84275431

>>84277289
The internal sensors of every Drone would realize that something was intruding and keep the Hivemind aware.
Besides that even a full blown outbreak wouldnt be a problem. Tenthousands of Drones not caring about their own Life going against Xenos ? Would be over damn fast. Hell they could even push out all the Oxygen in the ship just to get rid of them without even effecting the Drones. Which always keeps the Question why the Borg had air on their ships anyway ? ( yeah i know plotwise so our Star Fleet Heroes could run around without any gear as always )

>>84277545
>Maquis
>"""people"""

>>84277117
I was mainly remarking on how cookie-cutter most of them felt. Kira does shit relating to the occupation with an old resistance member/love interest and it makes Odo feel bad. Obviously there were exceptions, but most of them felt really similar.

Honestly I think it was more of how completely uninteresting everything Bajoran was to me. I didn't care for their politics, their religion was just a bunch of our religions and wormhole aliens blended into one thing, and they just looked like normal humans but with scrunchy noses and an earring.

There's nothing unfathomably different from things that humans have done in real life. We've had occupations, theocracies, resistances, and all that jazz. The Bajoran concept didn't feel alien at all.

I actually really like TNG, even though a lot of the aliens look just like humans. That's because most of the "humans but with weird clothes" aliens were one-off episodes that were centered around foreign and interesting concepts.

>>84277734
why do you say that?

>>84277704
>The internal sensors of every Drone would realize that something was intruding
What are you basing this on? The Hansens messed with drones in stasis all the time and didn't get caught. I don't recall ever hearing a drone being referred to as having internal sensors, they're not ships.

>Tenthousands of Drones not caring about their own Life going against Xenos ? Would be over damn fast
I don't think it would though, the Borg only use melee tactics which would be ineffective against Xenos, and their blood would make assimilation impossible.

>Hell they could even push out all the Oxygen in the ship just to get rid of them without even effecting the Drones
I don't think Xenos need oxygen either

>Which always keeps the Question why the Borg had air on their ships anyway?
Picard mentioned that they keep cubes very warm (for some reason) in First Contact, air is easier to heat than a vacuum.

>>84273467
season 1 has a lot of shit like that. i remember riker saying about the replicator and meat that humans no longer "enslave animals". well if humans consider animal agriculture slavery, how do they let other races do it? when it's supposedly literal slavery

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>>84276501
How about beaming one of these onboard?

>>84278002
>reeeeeeeeeplicators

Hate them. Hate that they added them to Atlantis. Hate that they got shoehorned into the movie

>>84277953
I remember that, it was really stupid seeing as the galaxy is chocked full of human colonies where they keep animals. Was it another word game like "Starfleet is not a military organisation" where he was saying "Humans no longer enslave animals, and if your home isn't Earth you aren't Human, you're 'Colony 1442ian'"

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how did they get tarantino to cameo?

>>84278152
Probably volunteered, most celeb cameos did.

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>>84277564
Bajoran workers... your attention please. Your attempt to seize control of this thread is going to fail. You are valuable shitposters and we wish you no harm. However, if you do not return control of this thread to your Cardassian supervisors, we will be forced to take action. Consider your options carefully... your lives depend on it. You have eight minutes to make your decision.

>>84278152
He did it for free. They had to replace a lot of women's shoes before they could film the next episode though.

>>84277413
By almost any definition it's a crime against humanity and insane. The episode was top tier, but ignoring the consequences of that attack drags it down. It should have been a 2-parter IMO

>>84278002
I loved the LEGObugs.
Human form was a mistake.

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>picard got to go back in time and fuck his old female friend, while he was still effectively over twice her age
what a fucking bro Q was

>>84278213
Eat shit spoonhead

>>84264233
Tfw only one Q episode in DS9

>>84277895
The Hansens werent for sure that stupid to start by forcefully pushing something into a Drone.
Every drone is differenet when it comes to biological and artifical components so nobody knows what a facehugger would fuck up when pushing the Egg or whatever into a Drone, hoping to find flesh anyway.
Drones were shown as pretty strong while not caring at all about their own survival so my bets would be still on the Drones.
And i think it is canon that the Aliens can survive the vaccum of space for a short amount of time but they still need air.

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>>84278386

>>84278391
Good. Q just doesn't fit with DS9's tone, the Prophets/Pah Wraith storyline at the end proved this.

>>84278002
Question would be if the Borg could assimilate them.

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>>84278386
Bajoran workers. Your time is running out. But it's not too late... you can still surrender and save your lives.

>>84278499
I'll 'ave your guts for garters your Cardy wanker

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>When you find out that the president of Earth is not even Human

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>>84278412
>The Hansens werent for sure that stupid to start by forcefully pushing something into a Drone.
The were though, they kidnapped them and planted cameras and trackers on loads of them while they were regenerating, if you can do that then facehugging them shouldn't set off any major alarm bells

>Drones were shown as pretty strong while not caring at all about their own survival
Which may be a problem when killing an alien puts a hole in your ship

>>84278556
President of the Federation, not Earth

The Queen of England (Elizabeth the Seventh) rules earth with an iron fist

>>84267322
I'm going from DS9 to Enterprise. I finished Voyager but it only gets better after season 3.

My feeling is that after the Janeway fiasco Star Fleet would have a voyager directive. Find the nearest M class planet. Stay the fuck the out of history's way. We'll find you.

>>84271925
Vic is the best. We'll never get a Vic and the Doctor get into shenanigans episode.

>>84278572
Yes but i highly dount that they STARTED their testing by pushing whatever forcefully into a Drone etc.More like: first scanning etc.

Dont forget how they mentioned that even a Cube that is 80% destroyed could function almost without problems, not even mentioning their cappacity to repair stuff in notime.

>>84276501
If you can beam something onto a Cube beam a big fucking bomb.
>hurr adaptation
Just try to adapt to a literal ton of antimatter going off inside your fucking reactor you rusty wankers.

>>84278772
They can detect that though and set off alarms to notify all drones to try and disarm it, even if the tactic works its not very stealthy. They don't care about people beaming aboard, so little bug eggs shouldn't bother them, and with the gestation period being so long you could use it a lot more before they realise its an attack and try and stop you or the aliens.

>>84278655
>Oh btw we just created a self-aware holodeck program lmao

Vic was a stupid idea that nearly breaks the ST setting.

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>>84278521
Bajoran workers. You have one minute left to give yourselves up to your Cardassian overseers and save your lives. In that brief time, I want to make a final appeal to you... to reach out to you... in the hope of avoiding a senseless tragedy. Even if you were to escape this board – and believe me, such an event is impossible – where would you go? Back to Rebbit? I can tell you that 4chan is a paradise compared to what would await you there. The Guls in charge of the occupation are not nearly as compassionate and forgiving as I am. I see you as an integral component of the important work we do on this station. The uridium you process today will lead not only to greater glory for /tv/, but to a better life on 4chan as well.

Ask yourselves why you are doing this. What do you really hope to accomplish? Do you really think you can harm Cardassia by your actions? If so, then perhaps you have been deluded by a few malcontents. Believe me, they're the ones who deserve to be punished, not you. I'm sure if you think about it... you would agree.

>>84278987
You've never seen a single episode of Star Trek have you?

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>>84278987
>nearly breaks the ST setting
How? It's not even an original idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Felix heard about Moriarty and wanted to try and make a non-insane version.

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>>84279002
If I have to die, I'm taking you with me, you cold blooded reptile.

>>84279013
Why is Data such a big deal if they can create a program like Vic that's completely portable?

>>84279067
Moriarty at least had the excuse of using the computing power of the Enterprise, Vic was using a single holosuite in a bar on an old Cardie station.

>>84277545
You're bad at this.

It clearly wasn't attempted murder since he was attempting to have zero casualties. He succeeded, but if anybody had died then he would have been charged with "manslaughter" or "negligent homicide" at worst.

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>>84278556
Layton will [Begin Log] Make The Federation Great Again

>>84279128
>Firing a WMD at a civilian target isn't attempted murder because he """"was attempting""" no casualties.

That defense would last like 5 seconds in a real court

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>>84278935
>disarm antimatter
>a substance that literally instantly explodes when its not in a perfect vacuum

>>84278499
Tell me this, Gul. If the Cardassian Union is so great, why is the Federation even greater?

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>>84279053
>>84279072
I'm sorry, but your time has run out. I was hoping you would be reasonable... Rest assured that your deaths will serve as an example to prevent similar incidents in the future.

>>84276809
Does that mean Russia and China...

>>84279122
Vic isn't super intelligent like Moriarty, they're just both aware of their nature.

bool AmIAHologram => true;

And go read https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/67183/why-is-data-so-unique-anyway/67187#67187

>>84279166
At least read the post I was responding to

>>84278772
>beam a big fucking bomb.

You can't beam antimatter on its own, it would have to be in a container. A container set to breach on a timer, aka a bomb.

And, ya know, people who build bombs typically don't build ones that can't be disarmed, or their careers end very quickly.

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>can figure out transwarp
>can (dis)assemble and scan matter on the atomic level and teleport it freely
>can freely change the human genome while teleporting
>can cure almost any disease and replace every organ
>can create sentient holograms
>can't cure aging
What did pleb writers mean by this?

>>84279162
Well for one thing, it wasn't a civilian population. All the civilians were on a different planet, which Eddington showed Sisko at the beginning of the episode.

It's the equivalent of police firing tear gas at a criminal hideout. The police wouldn't be charged for that.

I understand if you think that what Sisko did was wrong, but you should understand that what he did was still legal. It's time for you to grow up and learn that legality and morality aren't always matching concepts.

>>84279417
Eddington says right afterwards that Sisko was creating hundreds of thousands of refugees just like the caves if he continued attacking Maquis worlds, and the one Sisko picked was only chosen because it was the closes one, no other reason. There's nothing to support your point that there weren't civilians on the planet.

No. 84279417
>It's the equivalent of police firing tear gas at a criminal hideout
I remember this guy, he's a troll, don't engage him.

>>84279389
Exactly, just set it to crack the containment of the antimatter nanoseconds after transportation.

>>84279530
Yeah I'm sure that will comply to Starfleet safety specs.

>>84279482
>Eddington says right afterwards that Sisko was creating hundreds of thousands of refugees just like the caves if he continued attacking Maquis worlds
That's the future. In the present, if Eddington is saying that they are unlike those civilians, then you should assume that they are unlike those civilians.


>>84279496
Are you a child who thinks that the policemen are all Good People who never use deadly weapons? Tear gas is a deadly weapon. Sisko used a deadly weapon too, but neither are used with intent to kill.

>>84279412
To be human is to live and die, that's why Kirk beat all those immortal aliens

Why, since June started, have all Star Trek threads been focused on DS9 to the exclusion of all other Trek except and only except for Discovery?

>>84279678
Because you've obsessed with DS9 and you've been on a vendetta for 7 years.

Here's a TNG thread.
>>84275068

>>84279678
Nobody is stopping you from raising a topic to discuss from another series, and I don't see such a pattern

http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/trek/type/op/

>>84279678
DS9 and TNG are the only watchable treks. TOS hasn't aged too good, VOY is shit and ENT is a irrelevan prequel nobody wanted (and also shit).

>>84279731
Missed that one due to filtering the word "she". My mistake. Apologies.

>>84279614
OK let's break this shit down

Sisko claims he's going to be the 'villain'
>Why would anyone consider a man breaking up a known military base for an enemy with minimal casualties a 'villain'?
Conversely how is Eddington a 'hero' for stepping in at this point?
>See above
Worf and Kira are both clearly troubled by Sisko's plan
>Why would they be troubled by attacking soldiers? They're two main characters who are fine with almost any military tactics.
Eddington claims that there are civilians on the planet
>No one challenges him, and if true, it reinforces the themes and message of the episode

And
>You should assume that they are unlike those civilians
Yes, as is pretty much explicitly spelled out in the episode, they still have their homes, it's nothing to do with military/civilian status. Once Sisko fires, they lose their homes and become exactly like the refugees.

>>84266456
>>84266456
made me lol

>>84267322
voyager is mostly total shit but there a few episodes that are amazing. the one where the doctor has to pretend to be captain make me literally laugh out loud for most the show

>>84264233
>it's a Frank is a sexual deviant episode and takes over his brother's physical manifestation then becomes an inter-dimensional being episode.

>>84279790
>Sisko claims he's going to be the 'villain'
>Conversely how is Eddington a 'hero' for stepping in at this point?
>Worf and Kira are both clearly troubled by Sisko's plan
I already told you: What he's doing is morally questionable.

Morality != Legality

He wouldn't be prosecuted because, even though it's morally dubious, he isn't breaking the law.

>Eddington claims that there are civilians on the planet
No, he doesn't. The word "civilian" is not used in any dialogue at all for that episode.

You have been caught in a lie, I now give you this opportunity to apologize and admit that you were wrong.

>Yes, as is pretty much explicitly spelled out in the episode, they still have their homes, it's nothing to do with military/civilian status. Once Sisko fires, they lose their homes and become exactly like the refugees.
Remember, the Federation is offering them free homes inside of Federation space. Spacious, plentiful post-scarcity homes. They choose to live in caves as a matter of pride, not because no homes are available.

>>84276589
Please don't ruin the queen for me. She's all I have left.

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>You will never live in a holodeck 24/7 building a casino with your best friend Vic Fontaine

>>84279964
But you haven't bothered explaining why it's in anyway morally questionable if all he's doing is attacking enemy soldiers without casualties. Or why Worf and Kira care about the attack if that's the case, do you think Kira gives a fuck about playing nice in war?

Eddington calls them civilians by another name. You're the one making up the idea that they're anything but identical to the refugees in the caves.

>>84279764
TOS is amazing, TNG and VOY are great, ENT is good, the rest are trash.

>>84279829
I'm here for you.

>>84280053
>But you haven't bothered explaining why it's in anyway morally questionable if all he's doing is attacking enemy soldiers without casualties.
It's a deadly weapon, like tear gas. People can die if they choose to not evacuate. Other homes are available to them, but they'll still be forced out of their current homes.

Are you now so desperate to the point that you'll pretend that you don't see a moral problem with potentially killing people and taking away their current homes?

>Eddington calls them civilians by another name.
He doesn't. He says that Sisko might be "turning" them into those people, but at that point in time, they aren't.

>>84276542
>>84280045
Do you think you could build a house with the kind of replicators you get in a room aboard a starship? Obviously the main issue with them is the dimensions of the area where the replicated matter appears, but I wonder if you can get around that, either by modifying where it beams the items to, or by cheating, like asking for a girder as long as it can make it, then pulling it out partially and asking the computer to extend it.

>>84280079
You're fooling no-one.

>>84279412
It's not a consistently logic scifi universe but merely a backdrop for the exploration of the human condition.

>>84280249
Why build a house instead of a holodeck box?

>>84280249
I use the small replicator to replicate the pieces of a larger replicator.

Once I assemble those pieces together, I now have a large replicator which can replicate your precious girders.

>>84280285
I wasn't attempting to fool anyone. We can politely disagree without resorting to accusations of foolery, can't we?

>>84280241
>Forcing people out of their homes

Except you said>>84279417 it was like a criminal hideout, so everyone on the planet was a valid target. It was essentially a military base, and there's nothing wrong at all with destroying an enemy military base.

The ONLY way what Sisko did was morally questionable was if there were people on the planet who weren't enemy combatants ie; civilians. If he knowingly fired a biogenic weapon at a civilian population, he broke moral laws BUT ALSO violated modern international law, making it a war crime.

>>84279412
>>can't cure aging
They can, they did it to Pulaski. They don't want to as it devalues life.

>>84280305
What else are you going to keep your holodeck box in?

>>84280333
Can you replicate something to process them into Irn Bru too?

>>84280350
In the future of the enlightened Federation, criminals are considered people too. You still have to evict them because they're criminals, but you feel bad about doing it because you're evicting people.

I'm sorry you want Star Trek to be your fascist fantasy where criminals don't count as people. Maybe this is the wrong franchise for you.

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>>84280350
>>84280425
i'm glad i asked this question. you two are really going at it

>>84280358
>devalues life
Does it? If Starfleet crews had their immortality at stake while risking their life daily, it would've made starfleet service an infinitely deeper and impactful life decision than it is now.

>>84280511
We are actually witnessing a Star Trek thread where someone said that criminals aren't people.

What a time to be alive.

>>84280425
>LIATOR: Do you execute criminals?
>PICARD: No, not any longer.
>RIVAN: But you did once?
>PICARD: Unfortunately, yes. But since then--
>RIVAN: But when you did, was it believed necessary to do so?
>PICARD: Some people felt that it was necessary. But we have learned to detect the seeds of criminal behaviour. Capital punishment, in our world, is no longer considered a justifiable deterrent.

The Federation eugenically screens out criminals before they can become a prob

>>84280552
>>84280425
Weak bait desu

The Federation run penal colonies all over. Do they not think criminals are people? Are the Maquis, using Biogenic weapons just criminals or actual terrorists and a military threat?

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>>84280552
yeah that's wild. don't the maquis just want to be left alone?

>>84280636
Dealing with Maquis attacks is just part and parcel of living in a federation. The more you speak out against Maquis attacks the more radical Maquis you will make.

>>84280644
>"We just want to be left alone. We don't do anything wrong."
>blows up Cardassian ship
>"Starting now."

>>84280702
well the federation ceded the territory the maquis controlled to the cardassians. so of course they are going to try to defend their home, especially since they felt betrayed by the federation

>>84267322
Find a watch it/skip it guide for Voyager and it becomes much better. Can't skip much of the 1st season but after that you're good to skip a majority.

DS9 also improves with a watch it/skip it guide.

>>84280358
>They don't want to as it devalues life.

thats the worst nerd excuse for a plothole ever

>>84280636
>Weak bait desu
What bait?

>Forcing people out of their homes
>Except you said>>84279417 (You) it was like a criminal hideout, so everyone on the planet was a valid target. It was essentially a military base, and there's nothing wrong at all with destroying an enemy military base.
You are attempting to refute the claim that they are people.

Are you really this delusional?

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>>84280747
i was also thinking that was a dumb excuse too

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>>84280743
>skipping DS9 episodes

>>84280754
Being a military target =/= not being people. Try harder lad.

Were there non-military people on the planet yes or no?

>>84280736
Staying in their homes without Federation assistance makes them noble heroes. Killing Cardassians makes them common murderers.

>>84280802
>Being a military target =/= not being people.
I said that they're people. You posted an objection.

You're the one who said that they aren't people.

This is how low you've sunk.

>>84280810
so staying in their homes without federation assistance makes them noble heroes. meanwhile they get colonized by cardassia. they have to defend their home. i bet you would think the founding fathers were nothing but common murderers and criminals

>>84280895
Were there non-military people there, yes or no?

>>84280895
Mate please listen, I tried to warn you >>84279496

http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/criminal%20%22tear%20gas%22/

>>84279412
If everyone was immortal no one could have children, really

>>84280921
The episode doesn't tell us, but you should assume that the answer is no because Sisko isn't prosecuted for attacking civilians.

He attacked terrorists, but he feels bad about it because terrorists are people.

>>84280920
>meanwhile they get colonized by cardassia. they have to defend their home.
Defend their homes how? By killing any Cardassians who want to live on the same planet? That's crossing a line IMO. Planets are pretty big, so there should be enough room for everyone.

>>84280966
Sisko doesn't feel bad. He laughs with Jadzia about the whole thing at the end of the episode.

And why would he? If the only people he attacked were terrorists then he
>Dispersed a terrorist camp with minimal to 0 casualties
>Allowed them to peacefully leave without any further action
That's less violent than what NATO does every day to real life terrorists and most people don't complain about that as long as no one else gets hit.

>>84280946
Holy shit, seven whole posts expressing the same opinion over the course of two years

>>84281066
tell that to the cardassians and the bajorans

>>84264233

garak episodes were some of the best, are you implying otherwise?

>>84281081
>That's less violent than what NATO does every day to real life terrorists and most people don't complain about that as long as no one else gets hit.
You might not feel bad about killing a terrorist in the present, but in the future humanity feels bad about even evicting a terrorist (without killing them).

That's what Star Trek is about. Gene's vision has us changing our standards and becoming more enlightened in the future. Honestly, this really might be the wrong franchise for you if you can't understand that.

>>84265682
what is bsd?

>>84281205
It's like Linux, but it doesn't have any drivers so it can't run on your computer's hardware.

>>84281189
If being more enlightened means accepting terrorism as a normal thing then the future sucks.

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>>84281247

anology reconciled

>>84280946
You're confused and you're replying to the wrong person. I claimed that it's like shooting tear gas at criminals _and_ I claimed that criminals are people too.

It's the other person who claimed that criminals aren't people.

Mates...

>>84281278
Gene's enlightenment doesn't mean accepting terrorists. The terrorists were causing death and suffering, so Starfleet was authorized to stop the terrorists, and Sisko did so within legal limits.

Gene's enlightenment just means that Sisko feels bad about seeing the terrorists suffer, because terrorists are people too.

>>84281189
>You might not feel bad about killing a terrorist in the present, but in the future humanity feels bad about even evicting a terrorist (without killing them).

not the other guy, but you're just picking and choosing, cisco seemed pretty damned happy with himself and made the excuse with "times of war"

>>84281189
Top kek. You're saying they're violent terrorists with access to WMDs, but also dispersing them with 0 casualties is meant to be looked down upon by the Federation. You're not even trying at this point

>>84280953
There are fuckall children anyways.

>>84281407

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw

MATES.

>>84281450
yea lad what

>>84273467
That episode sought to establish that people in the 24th century had completely overcome their fear of death. They didn't go further with that idea, since it would follow that they didn't value saving lives either.

>>84281412
>You're saying they're violent terrorists with access to WMDs,
They are.
>but also dispersing them with 0 casualties is meant to be looked down upon by the Federation.
All suffering is a cause for sadness, even the suffering of terrorists.

He didn't break the law, but he did cross a moral boundary.

I can't be the only one who hated the bajorans. They're so annoying, I wish the spoon heads destroyed them all.

>>84281177
The Cardassians enslaved the Bajorans. That wasn't happening to the humans.

>>84278376
More like three times her age. The actress was 17.

>>84281546
>Crossed a moral boundary

So what do you call it when the Defiant destroys dozens of Cardassian/Dominion ships during the war, killing thousands of people?

>>84281553
Alright Shekelbergsteingoldsmith, calm down

>>84281593
Necessary but sad.

Remember the final episode, when Martok celebrated and drank bloodwine on the surface of Cardassia, but Sisko and Ross refused to participate?

In Star Trek, you still have to kill your enemy, but you feel bad about doing it.

>>84281576
i just don't understand what is wrong with defending your own territory? why do the maquis HAVE to let cardassians colonize their territory?

>>84280799
Most Jadzia episodes can be skipped

>>84281648
That was sad because hundreds of millions of civilians had just died. There was never any moral concern presented by the show when it was just a series of military engagements. Star Trek has never particularly thought it was sad when enemy aliens get killed.

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>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who skipped episodes

>>84281501
Just wanted to say that this is a great thread and I appreciate the diversity of opinion as well as the style and forcefulness of the arguments within it.

>>84281734
Only on rewatch. I watched every episode first time around

>>84281641

>implying the Bajorans with their constant "MUH 60 MILLION" aren't the Prophet's chosen people

>>84281703
>Star Trek has never particularly thought it was sad when enemy aliens get killed.
Even going back to Star Trek's very first space combat episode, Kirk was bummed to see the Romulans die when another way could have been found.

>>84265408
true

>>84265460
heh it probably will be mediocre for a season or two

>>84281784

only 60 million? damn they almost caught up with bolshevism, but it's not really fair since since one side has spaceships

>>84265582
>implying it isn't beamed out

>>84281679
>defending your own territory
You're being very vague with this. What does it mean? Staying in your home and refusing to leave? Not much wrong with that. Blowing up Cardassian ships with Cardassians still inside them? Yeah, that's probably crossing a line.

>why do the maquis HAVE to let cardassians colonize their territory?
It's Federation territory, so it's up to the Federation to decide how to use it.

The Federation has decided to use that territory to stop a war. Isn't that a good thing?

>>84265588
>be a criminal
>go kill some innocents
>hide with your family
>"Ha ha, I have human shields, so nobody can attack me now!"
>police fire tear gas at you, forcing you to evacuate the premises
>"WTF I hate governments now, this is so unfair."

I love "hyperbole/strawmen/literally didn't use anyone as human shields but I'm only pretending" /trek/

>>84265637
lol

>>84265657
yeah st beyond was pretty, pretty bad. i mean why was sulu gay? what? what the hell? how is he suddenly gay? how does that make sense? how the heck can a straight man suddenly become gay?

>>84281870
the federation ceded the territory the maquis held to the cardassians. the maquis disapproved of this decision and therefore struck at their enemies, the cardassians, and the people they felt betrayed by, the federation

>>84266496
"galaxy quest" is another

>>84281931
>struck at
That's crossing the line.

>>84281925
All the counsellors that teach you how to suppress the gay died on Vulcan.

Seriously though it's because JJTrek is trash for normies.

>>84281925

because for diversity reason, they needed to make someone gay, it's not shoehorning gay people are literally everywhere, gay people make up about 60% of the population and then there's 20% who are fluid gay, the remaining 20% are just white men

>>84281969
nah they just don't want to share their territory with the cardassians and they want to kill traitors

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>>84265588

>>84281999
>kill
Crossing a line.

being this soft of the cardassians, wow I thought /tv/ was punch-a-nazi-far-left

>>84282021
nigger, people are killed all the time in star trek. stop trolling

>>84282077
/tv/ is basically /pol/

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>>84282077
We get a lot of reddit tourists here whining, especially since Discovery, but /trek/ has always been right wing

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>>84282077
some cardies are ok

>>84282119

everyone you disagree with is /pol

>>84281925
Do you have brothers or sisters? Even though you have the same parents, you and your siblings are different people.

The change in the timeline caused Sulu's parents to have sex at a different time. A different sperm and (possibly) a different egg created a different person. He isn't the same entity as regular Sulu, but rather he's the genetic "brother" of regular Sulu.

So even though Regular Sulu is straight, there's nothing wrong with Brother Sulu being gay, because they are different people.

>>84273467
Maybe they run into this shit all the time.

>"oh shit, looks like just another late 20th century space freezer with jerks on it. maybe I can pretend it's just debris and get rid of it before having to deal with them and write another of those reports."
>oh, no. data wants to look into it.
>just let him, maybe they are already dead
>SHIT, they are alive - allright whatever

>>84282213
As I recall, they said in that episode that cryonics was a fad that didn't last long

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>>84282084
And the survivors have to stand trial if a prosecutor thinks that they did anything wrong.

>>84282208

but being gay is a mental disorder unless the person has actual imbalance of hormones or a mix of both sexual organs, then that person can be treated with advanced star fleet medicine

being gay is a choice based on a plethora of flawed emotional and mental states

>>84282172
/tv/ is basically /pol/ though (see >>84282337).

>>84282299
not if they separate themselves from the federation and are successfully able to defend themselves from the cardassians.

>>84282382

you should be more tolerant of people who aren't like you

>>84282389
>kill someone
>say "I renounce my citizenship, so you can't arrest me" when the police arrive
No, that doesn't work.

>>84282414

no scratch that, not only should you be more tolerant, you need to embrace people who are different than you, and you need to examine your own system of beliefs that lead you to be so intolerant

>>84282450
i'm talking specifically about the maquis separating themselves from the federation. worked for america

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Reminder; Section 31 literally did nothing wrong
>Tried to gas the fucking Founders and collapse the Dominion
>Get stopped during wartime by their own side

Why is the Federation so pussified?

>>84282468
When the war was over, England recognized America's independence. The Federation did not recognize the Maquis' independence.

If your government does not recognize your independence then it can still prosecute you for breaking your government's laws.

>>84282543
yeah that's why they kept fighting...