Literally no debate pleb

i thought it was superman who had a no kill rule and was a goody two shoes; while bats did what he had to, to get the job done

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>>84254373
Bunch of comic book readers get upset at how down to Earth it was.

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>>84254373
Wrong on all accounts

>>84254373

Yeah its great if you ignore the batsuit, Bales voice, the fight scenes and dialogue

>>84254466
How? Name em neck beard.

>>84254478
Bales voice, true. Everything else you said is wrong.

>>84254373
First movie is barely have any rememberble moments. Second is one giant plothole with one magical coincedence standing on another magical coincedence. Third is just a clusterfuck.

>>84254445
Batman doesn't kill, but he, at least nowadays, rarely cares if he manages to place a thug or two in a permanent coma.

In the movies though, especially under Snyder, he seems to care very little about if the criminals he fights live or die.

>>84254445
You thought wrong. No worries stupid.

>>84254563
Yes. That's not Batman.

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>>84254488
Bruce from Gotham has done more detective work than the other live action Batmans combined.
He has also established his no kill rule, in the episode with the best Joker literally ever.
He is the best live action Batman.

>First movie is barely

Yeah you're a retard. Argue against the points I made. And learn English.

>no kill rule
>kills the villain and their henchmen in every movie
What did he mean by this?

>>84254623
No he isn't. His story makes it so he meets all his villains at 10.

>>84254658
No, he doesn't. But hang on to those threads faggot.

>>84254599
>>84254563
>>84254373
Batman has killed in every movie, the nolan ones are no execption. In fact he kills multiple villains in the nolan movies, and even blows up a whole enclave.


Snyder is the first movie to make Batman killing a bad thing.

>>84254732
you stupid faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0kmVEjPKKM

>>84254699
...so? are you this casual that you cant accept alt universes of comic characters?

>>84254752
You do know Zack Snyder wont read your comments? Stop trying to suck dick so hard.

>>84254783
When did he kill a joker henchmen? I dare you to point one out. Go ahead queer.

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"no-kill" fags BTFO

>>84254373
>the only batman to use detective work
Have you seen Batman 89?
>only Batman with a no kill rule
Ok?
>best Joker literally ever
I remember when I was 16, except even then I cringed at his ow so edgy dialogue.

>>84254373
>>the only Batman to use detective work
Wrong. Both the 60's Batman and Burton's Batman used detective work to solve crimes.

>>The only Batman with a no kill rule
The animated Batman shows have a no-kill policy too.

>>> Best joker literally ever
Not even the third best Joker ever.

>>84254874
He killed the truck driver by ramming it head on and the other truck driver when he blocked the bazooka shot

>>84254534
>defending the god awful fight scenes
The first movie at least had the good sense to not really show much, since maybe Nolan didn't know how to film hand to hand fighting, but then starting with dark knight they just filmed every fight really flat, with the camera pulled back, and the choreography was slow as fuck and awkward, plus you could see a gigantic distance between bats and every thug with no contact being made. The fight scenes are shit. Deal with it.

>>84254373
>lets lucious make all his devices
>kills raz, kills all raz's henchmen in the fire at the beginning
>kills the guy driving the jokers truck when he flipped it over
>kills Harvey dent trying to save Gordon's son
>kills talia and her driver by making her drive off the level 2 street

Inb4
>he just didn't save them XD
Killing is killing, I bet you're gonna crap out and say the ground or gravity killed them

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>>84254373
A challenger appears.

>>84254827
No I definitely can. But this is the best live action Batman. And making murderer Batman for an extended universe is a terrible creative choice. Faggot.

>>84255127
kek, look how mad this sugar puff is getting.

>>84255114
Best voice, without a doubt.

>>84254457
>guy dressed as bat stands on building

>>84255012

>The animated Batman shows have a no-kill policy too.

Did you miss the live action part retard?

>>84255044
Raz killed himself. You're a cunt.

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>>84254563
>>84254566
>>84254599

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>>84255269

>>84255041
Did op say best fight scenes or best Batman? You're kind of retarded huh?

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>>84254563
>Turns Batman into a subhuman muslin
>Suddenly he doesn't care about his moral code anymore
kek

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>>84254981
>Implying he doesn't use guns to shot machines and monsters/metahumans down
>Implying you can't shot someone in a non-lethal area

>>84254752
Really, Snyder made it a bad thing? In where? In BvS Bats literally guns down thugs without even batting an eye lid. He throws cars upon other cars, making them explode. So where was the terrible remorse about that?

On some off hand remark made by Alfred, which was shrugged off instantly? Yeah, Snyder definitely made it a bad thing.

Snyder's Batman is a fucking mass killer.

>>84255316
I wasn't responding to OP you dumb nigger. Learn to follow a reply chain.

>>84255012
He said live action, butt sprinkles

>>84255359
So is Iron Man but you don't see butthurt Marvel fags crying like a bitch like you are dumbass. Batfleck is a fucking badass version that for once isn't an emo pussy. Maybe that's why you can't relate to him

>>84254373
>the only Batman to use detective work
wrong

>The only Batman with a no kill rule
>le I don't have to save you
wrong

> Best joker literally ever
wrong

Nolanfags should be shot on sight

>>84255362
Ok dude faggot. Where did anybody say best fight scenes?


Adurrrrrr shut the fuck up.

>>84255156
What's so funny about being mad?

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>>84255448
>The whole premise of Batman is that he is the ultimate human, guided by sheer cold discipline
>His moral code is his thing that keeps him in the line of good morality, if he breaks it he will maybe not even return from the dark side
>It allows a lot of interesting dynamics with his villains, like Joker or Ra's Al Ghul, because they taunt him to break his only rule, even if this means killing them off
>Batman is a emotional hero, wears all black, and Gotham is a gothic city
>WAHHH OLD BATMAN IS FOR FEEL FAGS, THE NEW BATMAN IS AWESOME BECAUSE MUH ARMOR, MUH FIGHTS, MUH COOLNESS

>>84255269
>>84255311
Comics are pretty gay t b h

>>84255473
Who's a better joker contrarian homosexual? If you say Nicholson with his origin story I'll beat your mother's cunt in.

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>>84255504
>Where did anybody say best fight scenes?
Fight scenes were brought up here >>84254478, and the retard responding said the fight scenes were good. Learn to read and follow a reply chain.

>he reconstructs a casing to get its fingerprints

Even "Sherlock" has more realistic deductive reasoning and detective work than Batman.

Hell, Batman 1966 has more realistic deductive reasoning and detective work too.

>>84255448
On the contrary, Snyder's Batman is the most emo he's ever been on movies. He's not only brooding, he's constantly crying after mommy.

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>>84254563
Purple Gloves Batman kills all the time.

He even uses a gun. Snyder got it right. DC Animated Batman doesn't kill because it's a kid's show.

>>84255448
>Batfleck is a fucking badass version that for once isn't an emo pussy

Keaton's Batman strapped a bomb to a thug and punched him into a sewer and straight up roasted a guy with his batmobile rocket engine.

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>>84255473
>Nolanfags should be shot on sight

Again you mean

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>>84255604
Adurrrrrr you fucking pure retard the post you pointed out says the fights are bad. Literally no one has called them good. Kill yourself.

>>84255448
Best post.

>>84255665
>purple gloves
>purple

What the fuck?

>>84254373
The one thing more cringe than the edgy nihilistic "im like the joker" neckbeards is the contrarians who try to act like Ledgers joker wasnt not only an amazing performance but one of the best takes the character will ever see

However, yes, Nolans batman is easily the best cinematic batman. He has flaws but literally all of those have nothing to do with Bales acting talent and lie on the director (the voice etc)

To be fair though, Nolans batman "kills". For the very least, Two-Face. Then again he retires for a decade afterwards, did it to save Gordons kid and to preserve Harveys fame, so it wasnt exactly brushed off like in BvS for example

>>84255554
Characters evolve grandpa, kek

>>84255679
>and the retard responding said the fight scenes were good
>and the retard responding said the fight scenes were good
>and the retard responding said the fight scenes were good

Because you can't seem to read. Good luck with your life frogposter, you're going to need it.

>>84254373
>>the only Batman to use detective work
literally when? When he does that ridiculous ballistics test that one time and still calls a magazine a clip?

>The only Batman with a no kill rule
Thus making him a ivory tower idealist of the worst kind. Don't kill Joker, so he can continue to murder people.

>Best Joker literally ever
Mark Hamill's is superior, but I'll give you this because on screen Heath was fucking amazing.

>>84255622
Show me one scene where he was crying? There's a difference between having rage and being an angsty queer like Nolans Batfag

>>84255726
This guy sounds like he listens to party rockers in the house

>>84254373
>>The only Batman with a no kill rule
TAS Batman had a no-kill rule as well, and it was used much more elegantly. Batman even uses it to trick his cyborg-double into having a meltdown by faking his own death.

>>84255715
>boo hoo a kid is gonna die
meanwhile the entire planet is in danger in bruces mind in bvs, so people dying in trying to get the rock is justified

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>>84255744
>Mark Hamill's is superior, but I'll give you this because on screen Heath was fucking amazing.

Too many people hype up Hamill as the definitive Joker when his voice has changed immensely since the animated series. The animated one is excellent in its own right, but his "older" joker voice in something like the arkham games doesnt really have anything all that special to it. I would imagine there are quite a few actors out there who could pull off a haunting joker if someone isnt breathing down their neck telling them to either ape hamill or ledger. Imagine Tim Curry's IT as pic related

>>84254373
>Worst voice
>Worst Bruce Wayne
>Worst fighting skills
>Has no-kill rule
>Breaks no-kill rule
>Worst catwoman
>Terrible choice in women
>btfo Alfred over a bitch
>leaves the mantle of the bat to a guy named Robin

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>>84255726
They evolve for better you retard, they get more realism and depth, dumbing down Batman to kids and drooling retards like yourself is a cheap jewish move

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>>84255701

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>>84255798
HE JUST WANTS TO HAVE A KILL TIME

>>84255840
Tim Curry played Skullmaster on the shortlived MightyMax cartoon and it was fucking awesome. I think he'd make a better Ras though.

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>>84255744
>Mark Hamill's is superior

>>84255840
>but his "older" joker voice in something like the arkham games doesnt really have anything all that special to it.
I still think Mark's voice is excellent even if it's a bit rougher these days.

>>84255861
>much Jews

Opinions discarded. Back to your containment board emo fag

>>84255840
Is this image actually scary or just something that would startle you if you saw it pop out of the darkness with a loud noise?

>>84255554
>This kills the Snyder poster

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Is Modern Batman the Justin Trudeau of our time?

>>84255930
>Ignored all facts against him replying out with literal meme answers
>''heh you said a buzzword, you out pal''
Get mouth cancer

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>>84255554
>His moral code is his thing that keeps him in the line of good morality

Pew pew motherfucker.

>>84255843
>Worst voice
>Worst Bruce Wayne
Christian Bale had the worst voice by far
Affleck had the 2nd worst voice
Both were equally shitty as Bruce Wayne

>Worst catwoman
That catwoman was actually wonder woman

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>>84255977
>If you kill a killer they win.
- Canadian Batman

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>>84255905
"I have no counter argument" the post.
Here's a fat dragonite who's less of a faggot than you.

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>>84256015
>1 cherrypicked example of his primordial when he was still being refined

>>84255861
>realism and depth

And this people is what killed most comic book related things these days. It's not supposed to be realistic you dweeb, realism is what Nolan brought to the character and it put DC back fucking years to where they can't even compete with Marvel now. Worst thing to happen to the character of Batman was Nolan

>>84254373
>the only Batman to use detective work
There's a scene in Batman Returns where they show him doing detective work on the Penguin via old newspaper articles. In Batman '89, he even has a whole file on Jack Napier and he even deduces what chemical the Joker was putting into hygiene products and even comes up with a cure for it. Did you even watch those movies, OP?

>>84255977
I'd love for him to say that to every surviving man/woman/child of the last scarecrow gas attack.

>>84254445

It's actually the other way around although Batman did help kill Darkseid.

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>>84256129
>"I have no counter argument" the post.

To counter your argument with an argument means that I'd have to drop down to your level of stupidity

>>84254457
It was a weird halfway point between realistic and unrealistic. It's like ok, Gotham city is a daytime Chicago and Batman is set up pretty realistically as a guy who manages to train and buy his way into these abilities. But then you have ridiculous Rube Goldberg plots from the Joker that would never work in real life, and there's a guy with half his face missing who isn't dying from a massive infection. Etc.

>>84256130
>primordial
>every cinematic Batman has killed

Obviously, they're paying homage to Golden Age/Injustice Batman.

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>If I kill the joker I'm just as bad as him!
>Joker goes out and kills a bunch of innocents
>a-a-a-atleast I'm better than the joke-

No batman you are worse than the joker. Way worse, the joker never took the role of masked vigilante, he know what he does is wrong. Batman Is the opposite. He tries to be a good guy so much so his ego won't even let him take a life for the greater good. Batman is a hypocrite of the worst kind. Joker would probably have been executed but faggot batman came up and started talking about how joker could be rehabilitated after he kills another dozen innocents. If I was a citizen of Gotham I wouldn't be too happy about batman getting in the way of the police and letting some maniac lunatic escape to terrorize people for batman's little games.

>>84254373
>>The only Batman with a no kill rule

Yet has the highest kill count of any cinematic Batman. Bravo Nolan.

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>>84256130
>muh Batman the Animated Series is canon even though the comics show otherwise waaah

It was dragged way down by the Two Face subplot. Would have been perfect with out it.

>>84254373
>>the only Batman to use detective work
>>The only Batman with a no kill rule
>> Best joker literally ever

That's Adam West

>>84256130
Frederick Wertham, pls go.

>>84256230
>still no argument
>calls other guy stupid
>"am I cool yet guise?"
You have to be 18 or older to post here.

>>84255203
I read it, and you're still wrong, even when you only count the live action versions.

>>84254445
He kills 1 person in TDK and 2 in Rises however!

>>84256272
You're kind of stupid huh?

>>84256130
The reason comic superheroes don't kill is because of censorship

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>>84256130
>don't kill the Joker
>the Joker kills more people
>the blood of those innocent people are now in your hands because you didn't have the balls to kill the Joker

Unless it's Adam West Batman versus Cesar Romero Joker, it's psychotic to allow someone like, say, Heath Ledger Joker to stay alive just so they can "fight forever".

>>84256383
Good argument snowflake, kek

>>84254445
historically yes. Superman had a No Kill rule.
But Frank Miller attributed it to Batman in Dark Knight Returns, explicitly with his relationship to Joker. Nolan got it from that.

>>84254445
you're remembering wrong.

Batman has one rule:
>i don't kill
>has no qualms with demolishing a building with people in it though

well, he has a back-up rule
>I don't use guns
>has no problem driving a nuclear bomb around downtown gotham

>>84256414
This.
Also how is it GCPD, the most corrupt police department in the DC universe, hasn't beaten Joker to death or shot him 49 times on his way to lockup for 'resisting'

>>84256414
>Heath Ledger Joker to stay alive just so they can "fight forever".

Hes going to be in a padded cell forever. Evidently it worked seeing as he was nowhere to be seen in TDKR

>>84256469
Silly anon.

Only black people get shot by corrupt police.

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>>84256513
>implying he won't escape sometime soon in canon
>implying the only reason he didn't escape is because Heath Ledger died

>>84256521
Sure they do.

>>84256414
Let's all remember that Nolan's Batman left Ra's Al Ghul to die with the excuse that "he didn't have to save him".
Anyways, I was pretty sure Nolan's intention with the Batman character was to make him kind of a hypocrite to keep with that shade of gray between heroes and villains he has running through the whole trilogy.

>>84256414
That whole loop just ties into the fact that Batman is mentally ill.

>>84255041

His fight against Bane was pretty horrific.

>>84256230
>Reddit tier memes.

Get out

>>84256564
So Nolan Batman is still not "Muh Canon Modern Comic Batman/DCAU Batman", huh?

>>84256556
He would have never "escaped" because the third movie was originally going to be about the exact subject of whether or not someone like the joker should die (his trial). The main villain was supposed to be a judge to reflect this (harvey dent)

TDKR feels detached from what begins started because its not what nolan had in mind during TDK

Comics are for fags.

>>84256457
In TDK he literally head on rams a garbage truck mauling the guy in side when it is grinded against the roof on the tunnel during the Harvey dents arrest chase!

Not to mention the two kills in TDKR

that's nice OP, the dark knight is still an overlong boring mess full of plotholes, and Batman is a wimp that sounds like an engine turning over
the only good nolan movies were memento and insomnia and the only reason anyone cares about Nolan's DK is because a guy who played a faggot cowboy died

>>84254783
>literally says "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" to Ras al Ghul
>most deaths are caused indirectly by explosions

>>84256619
>he literally escapes prison in TDK
>you actually belief that padding his cell won't make him escape in the TDKR

You don't make much sense, fella.

>>84256469
Also, in real life the Feds would send every 3-letter agency in the country into Gotham city, and probably the National Guard too. Joker would be treated like a domestic terrorist and put in supermax with kaczynski.

>>84256724
He was never in a prison retard, he was on a police station (with a bomb that he smuggled in)

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>>84256414
>Kills the joker
>Kills every single threat
>Become a revengeful machine of hate
>A parody of himself
>Becomes Snyder's Batman

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>>84256607
>retard tier comeback

Fuck off back to /pol/

>>84256791
yikes

>>84256783
>Kids can play outside
>Drugdealers and lowtier thugs leave
>Corrupt police/courts get bat-threats and straighten the fuck out cause they know he's serious
>Gotham is nicest city on the planet.

>>84254373
That's not Adam West.

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>B-Batman doesn't kill people
>Gets BTFO with examples of him killing people
>M-Muh Silver Age
>M-Muh Animated Series
>M-Muh Pandering Modern Age

BTAS was a mistake.

>>84256921
Exactly, this fag lost the argument long ago. He's just a butthurt Nolan fanboy

>>84256783
>Snyder's Batman
>Burton's Batman
>Nolan's Batman

All of them killed. Not helping Ra's when Nolan Batman could've helped him and all the collateral damage he caused are kills too.

>West Batman
>Schumacher Batman

All of them didn't kill.

Guess you want campy Batman over serious gritty Batman.

>>84256767
>behind bars
>not in a prison

You're pretty retarded yourself.

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>>84256921
>Batman has a moral code he breaks sometimes =/= Batman is a egocentrical cuck who goes in killing rampages without giving a shit

Theres people on this thread saying Batman is a hero without emotional depth when he literally became a hero because of a tragedy of his past, Snyders brainlets please leave

>>84257045
Not him but a police station is not a prison.

>>84257045
Are you twelve? There is a fucking difference between a prison and a lockup which is a glorified dog cage. The reason he managed to "escape" is because he literally smuggled a bomb inside the building, got both batman and a considerable police force to leave and then lured an idiot officer into letting him set off the bomb

>>84257017
>Schumacher Batman
Wait, what? The whole arc with Robin in Batman Forever was that Batman killed Two-Face for him so Robin wouldn't become a murderer like him.

>>84255358
>>Implying you can't shot someone in a non-lethal area
you literally can't
any bullet wound will kill if allowed to bleed out

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>>84254563
He shot Darkseid but that gets a past because he's literally Dc universe Satan.

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>>84257241

>>84257097
>a holding cell is not a holding cell

HURR DURR

>>84257223
you can't learn biology from video games anon

>>84257223
Not even close to being true. You could literally shoot someone in the ear lobe and they'd be fine. Think before you speak.

>>84257277
He wasnt even in a holding cell fucking retarded child, he was in an interrogation room

>>84257115
>Wah he escaped police custody because the cell wasn't padded

You must be trolling me.

>>84256783
So all US police departments are a joke because they choose to kill legitimate threats? I guess that goes for the US military too, clearly they should only apprehend terrorists, and then let them go later?

>>84254445

Batman has an umbreakable no-kill rule he can never let himself break or he'll go crazy.

Superman *doesn't* kill for a variety of reasons, not the least of which because he doesn't have to, and because he believes it's wrong to do so, but that doesn't mean he won't if it's impossible to do anything else.

>>84257066
He definitely kills quite a lot of people in the Nolan Batman too, so trying to frame him as Adam West pure in terms of not killing anyone is being disingenuous on your part.

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>>84256267
The one really at fault here would be the entire justice system. Surely they can see that the joker is a threat to society at large, and after all the numerous times batman brings Joker's bitch ass into jail, the prosecution either doesn't seek the death penalty or isn't able to secure it somehow. Capital punishment was made for freaks like the joker.

>>84257277
Being in a holding cell doesn't mean he was in a prison.

>>84257340
And you must be actually retarded if you dont know the difference between an extremely low-security permanent lockup and an actual prison where the prisoners are isolated, stripped down from all personal wares and in general in a far more controlled environment. Never reply to me again you fucking autistic 9gagger

>>84256730
At the end of TDK they do send the National Guard in, the commandos Batman fight in the end are those.

>>84257388
>unbreakable no-kill rule
>the criminals he doesn't kill kills people that would've been saved had he killed them

Uh, how is that any better?

>>84254373
zero detective work and that voice, here take a Ricola.

>>84255358

>why dont the cops just shoot him in the leg??

#BLM tier fag detected

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>>84257223
>
>>84257281
>>84257302

Stone told stunner

>>84257438
You're pretty retarded if you think that Joker didn't allow himself to get caught and his mention that they're fated to fight forever isn't a clue that he can get out of Arkham anytime he wants.

>>84256651
in TDK he kills harvey dent

>>84257504
>durr im moving the goalpost to pretend like Im still right!1

go fuck yourself autist

>>84257241
>>84257272
also darkseid didnt die from the gunshot and was actually killed by superman a bit later

>>84257539
>moving the goalpost

He easily got away from a holding cell What more a padded one?

>>84257468

>Zero detective work

Try watching the movies dumb faggot

>>84257618
The movie where he reconstructs the shell of a bullet to get a fingerprint?

It's CSI "zoom in on the reflection" tier of retarded detective work.

I saw more realism on the "We're being hacked!" scene from that other crime scene procedural.

Encyclopedia Brown had more detective work.

>>84256383
>all the guys in the dojo
>the cop cars he crushed
>Ra's
>Harvey Dent
>Talia

>>84257497
Is it stone told? What's that retard?

>>84256383
>H-He didn't kill the district attorney with the half-disfigured face when he pushed him, he committed suicide by falling!

>>84256069
Kek

>>84257618
go fine a spot to sit down son, before you hurt yourself

>>84257695
Not to defend the movie or anything, but that always seemed like an accident to me, something he did in the heat of the moment and he regretted it in the next movie too.

>>84255977

No kill batman is a fag.

He has the means to bring down serial murderers and genocidal maniacs and finish them for good but 'wahh mummy and daddy r ded I won't be a bad man' so off they go to Arkham where they will inevitably wreak havoc and escape again and again and again and hundreds if not thousands of innocents will die horrible deaths directly because Batman does not have the conviction to take a life for a just reason.

He's a fucking coward basically. He can't handle the responsibility and burden of taking a life even when it's justified so he just hands them over to the authorities and washes his hands of it knowing full well somewhere down the line they're going to be out and carving up Gotham again.

>>84258340
But that's Batman faggot. Make a punisher film if you want to. Dumbfuck.

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>>84255977
But if one killer kills every other killer then you only have one killer left in the world, a substantial decrease to whatever the killer population was before. I'm guessing that's the logic behind the Punisher.

>>84258340
How can someone be this stupid?

not all punishment for the crime of murder should be death. I don't think batman would be comfortable with being a judge/jury/executioner deal. Let them be tried before a jury of their peers

>>84258413
You can also kill yourself in the end, reducing the amount of killers to zero.

Then again, Bat Deduction gave us this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKspVwiuHc

>>84258007
Batman accidentally pushes Dent away, killing him?

So manslaughter is okay?

>>84258413

Batman is a dictator. He's a shitty, half arsed dictator that doesn't have the decency to actually own it and go all the way.

He basically decides what is and what isn't acceptable in Gotham. If someone does something he doesn't approve of he shuts it down effectively. He has the means to rule Gotham and essentially does as a moral arbiter.

But then he pussies out when he has the opportunity to actually make life better for the citizens by executing known killers. He shirks his responsibility and a lot of people die because of it.

I liked that in BvS he basically tries to kill Superman under the guise of 'oh he's too powerful and he could enslave us all and destroy us on a whim, I better kill him' when you can really see that part of it is 'this is my patch, I'm the big dog here I want to rule this'.

Nolan's bats just wants to play at helping out when he has the means and resources to bring Gotham totally to heel but won't because he's too chicken.

>>84258576
I wasn't saying it was ok, just that I don't think he intended to kill Dent.

>>84258743
He probably doesn't intend Joker to kill people in the future when he avoided running him over with his motorcycle, but he we are.

>>84254373
Didn't he indirectly kill Raz?

WHY DOESN'T BRUCE WAYNE JUST FORM A SUPER PAC and have politicians do everything he wants MAGA

>>84258784
Maybe he underestimated Gotham City's ability to get a death penalty conviction for a known terrorist.

>>84258824
He indirectly kills many people, so much so that Joker enticing him to kill for real sounds like an empty threat.

>>84255436
60s Batman then, sugar tits.

>>84258784
Batman is fine keeping himself pure and letting others do his dirty work for him.

>>84257454

Not saying it's better, just saying it's his rule.

>>84259025
He broke his retarded rule by killing Dent, however unintentional it may be.

>>84259359
You're kind of a faggot huh?

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>>84254373
>>the only Batman to use detective work
What detective work? Trying to get finger prints through a means that makes no sense?
>>The only Batman with a no kill rule
That he broke all the fucking time which made him and IT retarded.
>> Best joker literally ever
No it wasn't. He barely resemble the character not only in looks but personality. Jack was way better.

>>84259624
I'm not the faggot getting hurt by the truth about Murderbat.

>>84259638
>Jack was way better
Fucking kill yourself faggot. Jack had an origin story that robed him of his mystery and killed Batmans parents. It's literally nothing like the joker idiot.

Ledger looked different. The only difference. I hope you die of cancer.

>>84259691
I hate murderbat. Are we friends?

>>84259638
You're kind of a faggot huh?

>>84255679
the fights are incredible though.

>>84257241
>>84257272

Snyder Final Crisis kino when?

OOONNLY HUMANN
AFTERR ALLL
ONLYY HUMANN
AFTER ALL

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>>84260097
Jack still acted like the Joker and his performance was great.

Also Ledger's act nothing like Joker. Joker is not serious and he doesn't give a fuck about showing society his way of life and the human condition. Joker is a egotistical man that does horrible things because enjoys it. He loves his ego stroked and is far more like a disturbed child than some junkie college dropout like Ledgers. Ledgers Joker would be better suited as Anarchy.

>>84255473
>Who's a better joker
Mark Hamill, the Gotham tv guy and the guy who does an impression of Hamill in Arkham Origins just at the top of my mind

>>84260615
You're literally just factually wrong.

>>84260381
?

>>84261095
>Live action

You're kind of a retard huh?

>>84262070
>Y-you're l-literally just factually w-wrong.

Okay, faggots if all you think BatKiller is comic accurate then why don't kill The Joker? C'mon, respond me, I dare all you.

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>>84262276
>Live action
>Moving the goalpost

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>>84254373

>the only Batman to use detective work

Keaton Batman does as much or more detective work in Batman and Batman Returns.

Pretty sure Kilmer and Affleck do some shit too.

>The only Batman with a no kill rule

That Bale hypocritically breaks in each movie, confirmed by both Nolan brothers in the Dark Knight Screenplay book.

>best joker literally ever

That's your opinion, a lot of people like Nicholson, Romero and Mark Hamill. The Ledger Joker isn't even Bale Batman's main villain and certainly not his arch nemesis. He terrorizes Gotham for a week before he's captured by the SWAT team and never heard from again. Nobody in TDKR even makes a mention of him because he's seemingly forgotten. The League of Shadows and Bane were a bigger thorn in Bale Batman's side than Joker. And hell, wimpy ass Scarecrow got to be in all three films.

Nolan's Batman isn't as good as you think. Not saying it's bad, but even Bale has said he has regrets and would have liked to have done things differently. As far as his Batman goes, he's okay in Begins, but terrible in the rest. His voice is awful, his suit is ugly, he fights like a drunkard, he has the mannerisms of a retard with cerebral palsy and he has too much help from allies and friends. He's also only Batman for like a year, which is kind of lame.


So yeah, I'd say there is a debate. Bale was good for his time, but he's not the best.

>>84254874

He killed the garbage truck driver. Fucking rammed him head on.

>>84254373

60's Batman and Robin used to solves riddles and clues all the time and never killed anyone

Riddle and clues = detective work

>>84262988
Nope. You're a faggot

>>84262958
You're kind of a faggot huh?

>>84262893
Literally the whole post is about live action Batman faggot

>>84262629
I agree with your point but is this English faggot?

>>84263397
Fuck off.

Is this english, my dear?

>>84263372
>Who's a better joker contrarian homosexual? If you say Nicholson with his origin story I'll beat your mother's cunt in.
Nowhere does it say live action butt munch

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>>84256130

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>>84262958
Bane?

>>84258737
I like to think that Batman is subconsciously punishing Gotham for allowing his parents to die after everything his family contributed to the city. It allows the "No Kill" Batman to exist without the issues you raise.

inb4 some faggot tries to hype up an old kids cartoon that's 3 minutes of interesting villain interaction followed by everyone getting thrown around like pillows and going "Oof!" for the remainder for god knows how many episodes. The DCAU is overrated garbage. You could pick out 5 episodes from the animated series and be done with it

>>84258903
He tries it a few times and it's a pretty common conflict for him since that's how his parents saved the city while he has to, or perhaps wants to, dress up like a bat and punch people

>>84254457
BRAVO NOLAN

To create the perfect beast, you take the set design from the Burton films and put them behind the Nolan films.

>>84263953
better than the retarded DCU

>>84254537
>"rememberble"
fucking lol. i gotta write that one down and save it for later.

>>84257388
>Superman *doesn't* kill for a variety of reasons, not the least of which because he doesn't have

None of them have to kill. The writers simply never put them in that kind of situation.
No-kill policy is something that was implementing in the 50s after CCA was introduced. And not Batman and Superman but every DC character had it. Then some autist made it about their moral code and not censorship and now faggots all act like Batman is some saint cause he doesn't kill. It's all empty bs when you have your own angels in the outfield making sure you never have to kill.

>>84263699
The bit in The Dark Knight Returns with the machine gun isn't a good example. He just wings that person in the shoulder. It's heavily implied later that he still hasn't killed anyone.

>>84254466
he just needs to grow to at least 6 foot then he will make a worthy challenger to the bat throne

>>84264412
This plus it keeps recurring villains around. Villains make heroes more popular.

>>84257388
Batman doesn't kill people because Jim Gordon and the police wouldn't cooperate with him if he did.

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>>84255044
>raz

How do people seriously not understand the no kill rule is a meme that is only used by long comic continuity and cartoons because Batman has an a list Rouges gallery that would be ruined by Batman just killing them all whenever he has the chance to. This isn't needed for the movies obviously because he has so many good villians and not enough movies.

Gotham and Season 1&2 Arrow are the only DC capeshit I can stand including heath legend .

>>84255604
truly, one of the finest of gifs of /tv/

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Affleck is the best Batman. Seeing a Batman worn down and traumatized by all the killing and death is refreshing and human take on the character.

>>84254537
>rememberable

Of course an illiterate retard dislikes the movie and his biggest complaint is plot holes which he uses to feel smart.

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>>84268854
How many bat cookies did he eat?

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>>84269721
He is in bear mode in BvS.

>>84269779
That's not bear mode

>>84255005
kiddy cartoons don't count buddy

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>>84269779
sorry but he is just fat

>>84270261
>kiddy cartoons

Yeah, because live actions based on comic for kids are more mature

>>84270317
If it's not a cartoon then yes.

>>84255840

Curry was hired before Hamill for the animated series but they decided to go another direction because he was too scary for kids

>>84254373
his mouth doesn't look right

>>84270332
Wow, you are a mature man.

>>84258737

Don't forget that he goes loco on the other heroes, specially if they're big guns, if they ever kill some villain. Even Superman he isn't above of fucking with.

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>>84254373
>cinematic batmans
kino plebs pls. this is one (rare) situation where movies are inferior to other media like video games. granted, usually video games are commercialized crap, but there's no denying that the arkham games captured the spirit of batman 100x better than any movie has. a two and a half hour formulaic blockbuster movie where batman has to stop the bomb from blowing up just doesn't have enough time to really develop batman's character. contrast that with the arkham games where you have 10-15 hours of putting yourself in the knight's shoes as he stops at nothing to uncover mysteries, pushing himself to the limits to save gotham. arkham knight was especially good at exploring batman/bruce wayne's fears and the dangers of being a masked vigilante. also, kevin conroy is best batman.

>>84270497
lmao yes I am, i don't watch kiddy cartoons

>>84254373

>best Batman
>quits after getting BTFO by the Joker one fucking time

Kek imagine if Batman was that big of a bitch in the comics

Adam West Batman killed people. There's an episode where Batman turns a bunch of henchmen into powder.
Michael Keaton Batman killed people in Batman and Batman Returns.
Val Kilmer Batman killed Two Face.
Christian Bale Batman man-slaughtered the fuck out of people while constantly whining about his code.
DCAU Batman killed Devil Ray or whatever the fuck was that poor man's version of Black Manta was in the episode Batman was possessed by Deadman.

Ironically enough, the only cinematic Batman to not ever kill someone was Clooney Batman, the shittiest one.

>>84254373
>The only Batman not to wear a fucking rubber neck thing
How can you guys overlook this? I mean the fucking thing looks so goofy like it belongs in the 30s. Nolan even mocks it in Begins, and the next fucking thing Snyder does is feature the rubber neck. Fuck sake.

>>84266588
Dubs of truth.

>>84254373
>The only Batman with a no kill rule

Such bullshit

>Batman Begins
>Central theme is establishing Bruce's no-kill rule
>He doesn't shoot the mobster coming out of the trial
>He doesn't kill the thief in the League of Shadows, creating the central conflict between his character and Ra's
>He doesn't kill Ra's and carries his ass to safety
>ALL OF THIS TIME IS SPENT ESTABLISHING HIS NO-KILL RULE, IT IS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE MOVIE
>Ra's is on the train, train is going to crash, Bruce *literally already has him in his hands*
>Instead of preventing his death, he says the pithy one liner about how "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you", LET'S GO OF FUCKING RA'S, and peaces the fuck out leaving him to die in an explosion

Bale-Batman's no-kill rule was invalidated by the end of the first film. What makes it so bizarre is that the whole point of the first film was establishing that rule. I will never understand that decision. It's not like they set it up in one film and knocked it down in the sequel, somebody had to have thought that made sense.

>>84270712

Say what you will about Afleckman but the suit is the best live-action suit we've ever had.

>>84256267
If only the joker was a nig then the police would mag dump his ass

>>84255977
Not if you kill TWO killers!
Chekmate, Dark Knight!

>>84258340
>coward for not being a murderer

Okay moron.

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>>84254373
Here are some fun facts:
1, you forget that we're on 4chan, where everyone tries to be as edgy and contrarian as possible

2, Yes, Batman was originally a detective style character, but then the Burton film came - after that you will only see a dark ninja Batman who just rarely do detective stuff

3, Ledger was a good Joker, but a very unusual one, that's why the hate (+ contrarianism, but we already talked about that). In fact his portrayal inspired an entire new trend: the body horror Joker. You know, when he cuts his face off, etc. We'd probably never have the Leto Joker without the unorthodox Ledger Joker.

4, The Nolan trilogy is very good. But it has the same "problem" as the Ledger Joker: it's unusual. Not the flavours that comic readers got used to. Everything was too realistic, even the fact that Bruce was Batman only for a short time - he was human after all. These movies are not perfect, but they gave people a fresh, new approach to Batman, which is nice.

5, This is /tv/. Anons will hate popular things. That's all.

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>>84255668

>no kill rule
when will that faggot leftist meme die?

>>84270579
/thread

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Batman is always hesitant to kill. It isn't a rule to never be broken, but a general guideline. Batman doesn't kill if he is given the choice not to.
This and its consequences have been a central theme in Batman stories for decades.

>>84270579
Arkham Asylum & City also had the best Joker (except that moment when he becomes a giant monster), the one in TAS is a bit too down to earth and easily annoyed for my tastes

>>84254373
Nolan's version is just a guy in a batsuit. Batman doesn't fuck everything up and need daddy Alfred to cry with.

>>84274704
>Flawed characters are bad

>>84254373
is that the batman v superman one?

>>84274829
>B-Batman n-needs to have relatable f-flaws

Back to watching Spider-Man, kid

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Who would have tought that Iron Man will bring this superhero cancer upon us. I sure didn't...

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>>84254373

You forgot to add.

>horrible, grating voice that makes him sound like a blithering idiot
>big helmet bobble head that looks like Jim Carrey's Mask
>clunky, slow fighting style
>mouth breather that always looks like he can't breath because his mask is on too tight
>jokes to himself like a moron
>quits being Batman before his prime


He's awful. Get some taste kid.

>>84275201
oh wow, i haven't seen that one since childhood. tempting to rewatch, but afraid of ruining good memories of it.

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>>84254445

You're sort of right. The no kill rule is stupid and shouldn't be treated as some unbreakable tenant. Batman is perfectly capable of killing, he just avoids it at all costs. Look how he handles Two Face in TDK, that was a calculated decision. The slippery slope argument is lazy and boring.

Superman is the one whos above killing. Because he's fucking Superman. He can always find another way because he's SUPERMAN. Supes is the uplifting wonderous fantasy hero. Batmans just a guy with an extensive skillset, he shouldn't be treated as an omnipotent god. Let the character make mistakes and hard choices, it's better for him.

>>84255311
>>84255269
Wow, old comics are so much better. No fluff, just straight to the point

>>84275201
You're kind of a faggot huh?

Burton's Batman is as bad as Snyder's.

>Bats kills
>Joker killed his parents
>Joker given an origin story, robbing the character of everything that makes him interesting and all mystery
>Dancing to prince
>Catwoman is a magic cat lady brought back to life by Kittys
>Penguin is a monster from the sewers

Get some taste fuckbrain.

>>84272775
Which is why BvS is garbage. Because he kills everyone all the time.

>>84255876
>Purple gloves

Did they ever retcon that as The Joker impersonating Batman? That would make a lot of sense, actually.

>>84270579

Yep, this is irrefutable. Arkham verse best verse.

>>84254373
Too bad the sequel is a dumb disappointment.

>>84270912
You're a fucking idiot you know that? Ra's killed himself. Batman didn't have to save him. But he wouldn't actively take life. Get cancer soon.

>>84254373
But Batfleck literally spent half his screentime being a detective to find luthor's boat

>>84256469
Because Gordon. Bats almost killed Jokes a bunch of times but it was Gordon who stopped him.

Even after Jokes shot Babs in the spine and possibly raped her, he was still muh legal system muh law (but he's okay with a vigilante going around and intruding in police business)

In my headcanon, Jokes succeeded in making Gordon insane in TKJ, but that insanity is him not killing Jokes or letting him die in any way.

*shrug*

>>84256513
In the novels (not really 100% canon but whatever) he escapes and finds the Batcave and steal a buncn of Bat Toys.

>>84275647
You're stupid. Die.

>>84275471

>Bats kills

And? Keaton Batman doesn't have the no kill rule. He's based off of the 1930s/1940s version of the character. Atleast Keaton isn't a hypocrite and a wonton murderer like Bale and the rest. Kilmer and Bale's characters preach about no killing like they're somehow above it . . . then kill. It's a joke.

In fact, Keaton doesn't start killing his enemies until he finds out that,

>Joker killed his parents

Before the third act, he spares every one he comes into contact with, from the muggers in the beginning ("I'm not going to kill you"), to the mobsters, to the Joker's thugs. Once he finds out that Napier killed his parents and continues to poison the city, the gloves are off.

The Keaton Batman isn't the typical version of the character that keeps letting the villains go off to Arkham just so they can escape and start hurting people again. He actually got shit done.


>Joker given an origin story, robbing the character of everything that makes him interesting and all mystery


Are we talking about Batman or Joker here?

Joker has always had an origin, from the 1950s to the Killing Joke. Falling into a vat of chemicals and having his hair and skin get deformed/bleached is a staple of the character. WTF was Ledger?


>Dancing to prince

Yeah, the Prince shit was dumb.

>Catwoman is a magic cat lady brought back to life by Kittys

Nope. She gets a concussion after falling through a bunch of awnings and has head trauma. Anyone over the age of 12 that isn't autistic and take everything literally should be able to figure this out. I bet you actually think she has 9 lives too.

>Penguin is a monster from the sewers

Nope. Half of the movie is Batman doing detective work and seeing Cobblepot is a sham and that he was really raised by the circus gang. There are newspaper clippings showing that Cobblepot had a penchant for hurting/abducting other children when he was a child. He didn't spend his entire life in the sewers, that was an urban legend.

>>84254373

>best Joker literally ever


Really? I don't remember Mark Hamill or Jack Nicholson being in any of the Nolan movies.

>>84256838
Except that in BvS he tells us that it doesn't work. All his efforst, even the brands and killing (indirectly) and crime is still at the same level.

Th only thing he can d before being too old to play dressup anymore is take out a future threat because experince has showed him that anyone with any kind of power WILL turn evil. Even himself.

>>84262578
Your being incorrect is a simple matter of fact, not interpretation. Nobody needs to spend time writing to you when you could just look it up.
>b...bb...but I c...can't read
Ahahahahaa you stammered in my imagination what a fag

>>84254373

>the only Batman to use detective work

Keaton does detective work (cracks the Joker's poison code, foils every single plan Penguin has)

West does detective work (practically every episode is Batman and Robin solving shit)

Kilmer does detective work (the entire Riddler plot)

Affleck does detective work (everything involving Luthor and that Russian henchmen)

>The only Batman with a no kill rule

No, Kilmer had the no kill rule too. However, like Bale, he broke it. The Nolan Batman is a preachy faggot that tells everyone that killing and using guns is wrong, while killing and using guns.

Ironically, the only Batmen that don't kill are West and Clooney, but I doubt anyone here would say they're the best considering "MUH camp".

> Best joker literally ever

Maybe if Nicholson and Hamill didn't exist.

>>84254373
>the only Batman to use detective work
so did BvS and Returns Batmen
>The only Batman with a no kill rule
except he constantly breaks it and likely has the highest kill count
> Best joker literally ever
well performed yes, but a shitty adaptation, best would be Nicholsen followed by Leto

>>84275726
Did your miss the "if I have a past I want it to be multiple choice" line from tkj shitbrain?

And being a mystery man falling in a vat and possibly being the joker is much different from what Burton's garbage does to the character.

>>84255359
you realise batman wasnt the hero in that film right?

>>84263924

That's pretty good actually. Yeah that makes sense that he's basically still a kid mad at the city for letting his folks die after all the good they did.

>>84270557

Exactly. Everyone has to do things his way. Everyone has to live up to his wacky standards and anyone who doesn't is gonna find themselves on the receiving end of a whuppin.

Then when everyone is like 'fine batman you be in charge, you make the hard choices and do the dirty work if you won't let us do it' and he just goes 'lol no I won't kill anybody'.

So not only does he not have the conviction to put down mass murderers, he actively stops or tries to stop other heroes from doing it too. What happens? Gotham never gets any better.

>>84275718
AzBat, is that you?

>>84255701
he may be colorblind and not realize it yet, or perhaps seeing them as blue is the real colorblindness

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>>84275874

The multiple choice line is said to Batman because Joker is an edgy faggot. The audience gets to see what Joker is thinking/feeling at the carnival where he reminisces in his head about his wife and unborn kid. That's his real origin.

The Red Hood shit is dumb, so Burton and Sam Hamm made him a sadistic, vain, hitman for the mob. Napier was always the Joker, it just took a bullet to the face and the chemical dip to drive him overboard. The origin doesn't ruin shit.

Burton's origin for the Joker was so good, it was used for the Animated Series.

>>84275734

>Hamil
>Clearly said live action
>Nicholson sucks big dicks.

You're kind of a faggot huh?

>>84275986
The animated series began as a sequel to the Burton movies. It was suppossed to be the same universe, at first. Plans changed, but a lot of that idea remains in the first few seasons.

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>>84275867
>Leto

You're not serious are you? You would literally say let was better than ledger? Based off of what you contrarian Faggot?

>>84276088

>Nicholson sucks big dicks

While Heath Ledger was going all method, sucking Jake Gyllenhaal's cock for Brokeback Mountain, Jack Nicholson was fucking a ton of supermodel and actress pussy on one of his many yachts.

>>84276146
He's more recent. Ledger looks dated now.

>>84276177
Dubs of millennial truth.

MY Joker has a twitter account and is not affraid to use it.

>>84275986
It wasn't used for the animated series you shit headed fuck boy. Again, in the animated series and particularly MOTP they illude to the possibility of him being a monster. No name, no he killed Batmans parents, no definite answer. They keep the mystery because they understoodwhat made the character good.

>>84276206
Twitter? Fuck off grandpa!

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>>84275867

>Leto

Kill yourself now.

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>>84276214

Lol, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Have you actually watched anything other than the Nolan stuff kid?

>>84254373

>litetally no debate


Thread contains tons of debate.

>>84276214

>called Jack Napier
>shown to be a mobster
>kills Andrea Beaumont's dad (the whole reason she becomes a vigilante in the first place)

The only difference between the Nicholson Joker and Mark Hamill animated Joker is that Jack Joker killed Batman's parents while Hamill Joker killed Phantasm's and Hamill has Harley Quinn. Well, that and one is live action and the other is a cartoon.


>>84276373


Yup. Don't forget there's also the episode where the Arkham staff refer to him as Mr. Napier.

>>84254373

Bale fucking sucks.

If I want a campy Batman, I go with West. If I want a serious Batman, I go with Keaton. Only good thing about the Nolan movies is Ledger and Oldman.

https://clyp.it/5eq1vt2w

>>84275726
>He's based off of the 1930s/1940s version of the character
Burton hasn't read a comic book in his life, his Batman is not based on anything.

>>84277146

Other people worked on the film besides Burton.


http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/08/comic-book-references-in-movies-part-i.html?m=1

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/01/batman-in-movies.html?m=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVsdNVke2ds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqnWXaewN_8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpzSOHrJi6Q

I don't get it. Why was Affleck's face so fat in the bat suit but quite normal outside of it? It always distracted me when I saw his face in the mask. Couldn't they have made the mask a little more fitting or whatever?

>>84254373
>the only Batman to use detective work

Fucking when?

>>84277339
You mean Bale right?

>>84277339

Keaton had shots where the suit and masked looked ill fitting like it was too loose. Bale had shots where the suit looked ill fitting like it was too tight. Affleck had shots where he looked like he could barely fit in it.

Ironically, the only movies where the suits were perfect were the Schumacher ones. Kilmer and Clooney never looked awkward or uncomfortable.

>>84276693
Michael Keaton Batman versus Heath Ledger Joker.

Who wins?

>>84254373
>7kb