>capeshit can't be ki-

yes yes we all know how Snyder is style over substance
he does know how to point a cg camera

I honestly can't tell if MoS and BvS are actually kino or if Zack Snyder tried too hard to make it kino.

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*blocks your path*

>>84237557
Is this Mad Max?

>>84237557
>>84237581
>if Vin Diesel made a capeflick

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>>84237581
It's kino

>>84237608
whoa

>>84237608
Also the priest from Man of Steel at Clark's funeral in batman vs Superman

Anyone else would prefer Green Lantern over Cyborg in Justice League? Cyborg is fucking lame.

>>84237695
Obviously.
Would you rather have some generic robot man, or someone that actually has superpowers?
granted, the ring is what gives him powers, but it's still more interesting than black Robocop.

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>>84237577
Style over substance is a meaningless argument in the medium of film and also meaningless when Snyder has consistently been proven to use the image to tell his stories, as any competent filmmaker does. He's a geniune filmmaker in that sense. Using style to bring substance.

>>84237581
they're the definition of kino imo. but my definition of kino might differ than yours.

>>84237557
What vidya is this?

>>84237793
Arkham Apocalypse

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>capeshit can't be kino
said no one ever

>>84237753
That's an interesting interpretation, but means nothing. His movies suck, no amount of vocabulary changes that.

>>84237863
So you have no argument to fall back on despite mocking the very art of film. Good job.

>>84237863
>Watchmen are pure kino
>MoS is pure kino
>BvS is pure kino
>his movies suck

really made me think

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>>84237753
BvS is about perception. Perception of power. Perception of evil. Perception of good. Snyder masterfully utilizes his expertise in filmmaking by conveying that perception through the visuals. When Superman descends like an angel to save those in need, that is telling of the perception of those seeing Superman. When he descends on Lex shouting in anger, that gives you Lex's perception on Superman. When Superman stands above the Batmobile in complete dominance, that gives you Bruce's perception on Superman. It is a film that constantly conveys the state of its characters through its style. Very simple, very elegant very effective.

>>84237812
Flashpoint and Watchmen are the only kino made by DC.
Arguably, the only kino made by Marvel are The first 2 Iron Man, Winter Soldier, GoTG and, personally, I loved Ant-man.

>>84238002
When Bruce storms the warehouse that's the criminal's perception of Batman.

>>84238075
>GoTG
How the fuck? Iron Man I get but this just discredited your post.

>>84238125
Why do people like Iron Man? It has the shittiest villains in entire MCU and movies are fucking boring where almost nothing happens.

>>84238164
Look at this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxwzr-V-iXM

Listen to the dialouge. Listen to how well the music accompanies the action. Look at how well Favreau does his action by really giving Iron Man that sense of power he has. Even the humor is on point and fitting for Tony's character and the scene

Now compare that to any scene in the following MCU films. They're empty and completely lack the punch this scene has. I guess they don't want to make them too visceral in case the kiddies call for mummy again. And they also made Tony the fucking template for future MCU protagonists. That sucks. And retroactively cheapened IM1.

>>84238226
Yeah okay Iron-Man 1 I get, other than the execution of main villain it was pretty great, but Iron Man 2 was JUST and Iron Man 3 is probably worst MCU movie so far.

>>84238002
>Snyder is a master behind the camera
>He positions his shots so that the camera is looking from behind a character toward another character in such a way as to convey how that character we're close to sees the other character!

Wow. Film 101. Really fucking groundbreaking there, my man.

>>84238378
It is Film 101 but still common directors fault on. I mean just compare to any Marvel to see where this art is long forgotten.

>>84237577
He's style *and* substance. Just because your dumb ass is blind to it doesn't mean we all are.

>>84239648
lol
sure
SUEPRMAN IS JEZUS GUIZE!

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I am afraid we won't get another taste of this. There are leaked photos of Flash's suit looking apocolyptic, but I can see it being. Suicide Squad taught me that Warner Brother's is OK with cutting an entire movie's worth of footage.

>>84239696
WB is fucking crazy. The only thing botched with BvS was the marketing. They forgot to pay off critics which they promptly remedied with WW.

>>84237557
>make a movie with an incoherent plot, shitty characters and bad CGI action scenes
>call it 2deep4u when someone critisises it

This scene was all last minute according to one of the stuntmen, so if you're wondering why the choreography in the long take looks crappy, that's why.

Still pretty amazing though especially considering how nearly flawless the Parademons looked.

Watching BvS now bums me out because of what a trainwreck Justice League will be.

>No Junkie XL
>Whedon finishing the film
>Zack's heart was never quite in it because of his family tragedy

>>84239939
Batfleck's main stuntdouble was running of an hour of sleep. If it looks off that's because he was barely conscious. I can't wait to hear his tales of being in Justice League.

>>84240008
>>No Junkie XL
>living in a world where this guy had to carry Hack Zimmer's boring ass

>>84240027

Yeah that's true, really enjoyable podcast that was.

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>>84240054
>when plebs don't call a certain scene the "Martha Rescue"

>>84237557
what ps2 game is this from?

>>84237557
Will we see more of this future in JL or was it just a ten minute excuse not to include the Clark investigation scenes in BvS?

Watchmen was prolly the best contemporary DC movie I liked. Movie left me wanting more backstory everything.

>>84240118
Snyder said we would, but since critics control the medium I can see plans changing.

>>84240118
>MoS contains a 5 minute alternate history vision that motivates the protagonist
>BvS contains a 10 minute alternate history vision that motivates the protagonist

If anything the JL one will be 15 minutes going by trends

>>84237557
It took me 8 days to finish watching BvS
I don't how anybody could marathon this garbage

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>>84240118
It depends if WB are sticking to Snyder's and Terrio's plans or not. I hope they don't do a 180 on JL. I want my capeshit Seven Samurai damn you.

If Snyder is out of the capeshit game after JL I look forward to what he does next.

>>84240199
Wait a fucking moment.

Flash, WW, Batman, Cyborg, Aquaman... that's 5.

+ Super, that's 6

GREEN LANTERN 7TH SAMURAI?!

>>84240118
It's an important scene.

Bat's motivation is explain really well in the movie, and that scene is part of it. He's seen good people turn evil (always, even himself is turning that way), criminals just keep coming no matter what he does. His legacy is nothing and he will not have mad a diference. His parents will have died for nothing. Bruce is old now. It's almost over for him, soon he won't be able to pull being Batman anymore.

Unless... he saves the world from a future evil Superman. He's seen what Kryptonians can do. He KNOWS Supes WILL turn evil someday (not because of the dream, but because of past experiences). Bruce can actually do soemthing that will really mater by taking Supes out before it's too late.

Of course, Bruce is turning nutso and shitting on all he stood as Batman, but unlike Lex he can't see how fucking nuts he's become. Yet.

The dream is a representation of Bruce's fears. It's also real, but I think Bruce doesn't know that at that point, he figures it out after Supes is dead and his talk with Lex in the jail (ding ding ding ding and all that).

>>84240199
this is pretty much the injustice universe,with a batman that kills and all being so fucking grim,i dont think they are changing the course.

>>84237581
Both. He's really trying too hard (he even has a *cross* fall on a little girl in the Batman opening of BVS ffs) but it's still kino. Not subtle, but a superhero movie doesn't have to be subtle. If it was a normal movie, it would be going too far, but it works in this case.

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>>84240274
Doesn't necessarily mean they're doing 7. Notice that they changed "UNITE THE SEVEN" to "UNITE THE LEAGUE"?

>>84237608
OK, that's legit pottery

>>84237557
>>84237731
>>84239696
This is all I think of when I see that stupid fucking duster on batman.

>OMG COOL DREAM SEQUENCE, BATMAN DURING THE DAY WITH WESTERN COAT

>>84237695
It's all part of the plan. They use a motherbox to create Cyborg, so it ties in with the dream sequence and the JL movie.

>>84240274
>>84240304

Well there's the Green Lanterns movie in the works and I think awhile back Snyder said Green Lantern would be in Part 2, no way is Geoff Johns going to let his precious baby hang around the sidelines.

Maybe this time they'll "get" Hal Jordan

>>84240299
>(he even has a *cross* fall on a little girl in the Batman opening of BVS ffs)

Of all the over the top imagery you could have picked that one is pretty clearly unintentional.

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>>84240331
this

>>84240331
>>84240358
>implying dusters don't look good

baka i bet you wear jeans

>>84240331
Ha yeah bro wearing clothing that blends in with the setting sure is stoopid *limps wrist*

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>>84240275
Yeah it's definitely not just a dream. I think it's part giving the audience Bruce's deepest fears about Superman, part giving the audience something they can go back to years from now and pick up all the clues left in there for future films.

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>>84240367
Why does batman need to layer up in the desert, when he already has a fucking cape? No duster required.

I know its a dream, but its retarded and totally unnecessary. I remember how smug snyder looked when they were behind the scenes discussing how the dc movies coming out were all his models.

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>>84237557
>week after week the same posts are made in the same threads without fail
I need to stop coming here

>>84240355
It's intentional. The gods have "fallen". Religion is dead. Bruce loses faith. Pottery.

It ties in with people acting like Supes is a God and how Bruce and Lex are butthurt by it. And legless guy who wrote False God (or something) on the statue.

>>84239687
Thank you for so conclusively proving my point. That's not the message, dumbass, which you'd know already if you could read more than a couple of sentences at a time. You're truly a child of your age, where anything over 140 characters is perceived as a blog.

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>>84237557
Do you think the Joker card on his gun is a gift from Harley Quinn? Batman's always had a soft spot for her. Would like too see a freedom fighting Harley in one of these Mad Max scenes.

>>84240491
I got Church of Supergirl feels when watching BvS.

I need to go read some Peter David again.

>>84240275
>Bruce can actually do soemthing that will really mater by taking Supes out before it's too late
And then some flying monster things appear out of nowhere and some dude that looks Mexican shows up on Bruce's screen to warn him about the future and we never learn who he is and why he shows up.
Bravo Snyder!
Yes, I know those are parademons and that's The Flash, but 95% of the people watching the movie have no clue, and that scene didn't make fucking sense in the context of the movie at all.

>>84240534
It's a kill. Like people who used to carve an indentation on their buttrifle for each kill.

But it's Joker, so it's a more important kill and worthy of a full display of a playing card.

>>84240199
>It's a Snyder mimics a pre-existing work of art episode

>>84240583
I didn't remember who Darkseid was (haven't watched Timm's cartoons since they aired) and I understood the implications of the scene fine.

>>84240583
Well excuse me but why do you care about normies, why does DCEU have to be like MCU where everymovie is EXACTLY FUCKING SAME only with reskinned environment and hero and villain.

Snyder makes movie for comic book lovers.

>>84240636
Yes, we all got the implications of Superman turning evil, but that goes the fuck away when the demons come out of fucking nowhere and then that guy that looks nothing like The Flash pops up from Bruce's computer.

>>84240583
The film is implying a post-apocalyptic alien invasion. There was nothing complicated or confusing about that. People are smarter than you are. They understand that nightmares are supposed to be surreal.

>>84240583
It did make sense.

Did I come too soon? The files on Lex's computer with 'Mexican' guy on them.

It's obvious to anyone with a working brain. I didn't know anything about DC and I got it.

Do you also think people didn't know who Wonder Woman was? After all, they never say the words Wonder Woman in the movie at all.

>>84240654
Because it's a 250 million dollar movie aimed at a general audience. That's why Snyder's film are a failure, because they break away from the comic book traditions enough to drive comic fans off, and they reference obscure comic book lore that make general audiences confused.
He makes movies for nobody but a handfull of 4chan autists.

>>84237608

POTTERY

MARVELDRONES BTFO TONY STARK IS FINISHED

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>>84240659
>but that goes the fuck away when the demons come out of fucking nowhere and then that guy that looks nothing like The Flash pops up from Bruce's computer.
Don't see how. It's clear that Superman is working alongside an alien threat. I don't need to know at that moment who the exactly that threat is. The weird symbols, fire shooting in the sky, and aliens intrigued me.

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>>84240693
>his movies aren't dumb enough for me
And this is the point where you need to stop writing and come up with a better argument than to indirectly insult yourself.

>>84240664
Yeah, but what the fuck does that have to do with the current plot that's developing in the movie? He just interrupted the film to include a teaser for a future movie. That's fucking garbage filmmaking.
And people certainly are smarter than me. Most of them didn't pay to watch this piece of shit.

>>84240726
See
>>84240460

>>84240659
Watch the fucking movie. ALL is hinted at or explained. Lex tells Batman that something out there took notice of earth (that explains the parademons/aliens whatever). Bruce says he has a feeling they need to unite all the Metas, the guy comes out and tells Bruce "Did I come too soon?", etc.

Not everything needs to be spelled out for the idiots.

>be trained by Marvel to expect teases of future films in my superhero movies
>act TRIGGERED when BvS does it in the actual movie instead of a disconnected credit sequence
You people are so god damn phony.

>>84240693
Marlel is so butthurt lol

>>84240684
>Did I come too soon? The files on Lex's computer with 'Mexican' guy on them.
But in the files he looks nothing like he does in Bruce's vision, and most people didn't even realize that he was supposed to be the same.

Wonder Woman had a proper character introduction, so we knew who she was and what she was doing when she showed up.
The Flash only got a half baked attempt at teasing an extended universe that were completely out of place in the movie, and that adds nothing to it.

>>84240700
Except the aliens also attack Superman's minions, so we don't know Superman is

>>84240693
So you want every movie made in the same cookie-cutter mold?

Fuck. You. You're what's wrong with Hollywood these days.

I feel actual hate for you right now. Not anger. Not annoyance. True hate.

>>84240782
*working with them

>>84237557
looks like X-Men Apocalypse

>>84240766
You're either really dumb or just a DC hater.

I hope you're a DC hater.

>>84240784
Nope, I want movies well done and not cluttered with shit that's meant to work as trailers for next movies. Just tell a fucking story and if it's good, I'll watch the next one. You know, like WW did.
That's why I don't even bother watching Marvel movies, and I thought BvS was gonna be above that, but it was the same shit. And even worse, because it didn't even appeal to a general audience and put the actual existence of those future movies in doubt.
Snyder, as a director, is a failure from every single perspective. If WW showed anything, is that he's way better at being a producer and he should leave people with storytelling abilities do the actual storytelling.

>>84237557
>generic sci-fi shot that could be from fucking any blockbuster in the last decade
>kino!!!!!!!!!
kill urself lol

>>84240766
>Wonder Woman had a proper character introduction, so we knew who she was and what she was doing when she showed up.

That's bullcrap, apart from knowing beforehand that Gal Gadot is playing Diana we don't know shit about her when she shows up at Lex's party, even worse is that Clark actually picks up on something strange going on with Bruce when he overhears him and Alfred talking but we get no such scene for Diana, she just grabs Bruce's device and drives off. there's no connective tissue there at all.

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>>84240849
>I don't watch Marvel
>It's the same shit
You are so transparent

>>84240831
I love DC, but most of all, I love well made movies that don't need an army of autists on the internet to defend it in order to stand on its own.

>>84240766
>and most people didn't even realize that he was supposed to be the same.

Wrong.

Anyway, see
>>84240275

and
>>84240460

If you still don't get it after these posts you obviously didn't res, I... don't want to know about it. Do not respond to me again.

Somebody post that video where the guy "analyzes" Man of Steel by saying krypton is a penis and superman is sperm. It was peak Snyderfag.

>>84240849
WW is just generic Hollywood garbage. It's the same as the new Power Rangers movie. It's all the same fucking movie. It's just BS2 Formula without any author touches.

>>84237557
what are those fires

>>84240901
Finally dropped bitching about Knightmare after being destroyed so hard? It's ok maybe one day a Marvel movie will appear worth watching more than once.

>>84240857
>when she shows up at Lex's party
Yes, we don't know by then, but by the time she actually shows up doing WW stuff we know who she is.
On the other hand, we get time travelling Flash that looks nothing like Flash showing up in the middle of the movie without introduction, and it's never made clear that was supposed to be him at any point in the movie, since all we get is some dude in street clothes in blurry security cam footage moving fast.

>>84240860
Believe what you want, but I do not watch Marvel movies. I was hoping DC was going to stay clear from that forced shared universe crap, since it's the kinda shit that ruined comics in the first place and Marvel is using it to ruin movies as well and put out mediocre stuff all the time, under the pretense that it's just part of a larger story and that it will pay off on the next one, which never does.
It was a bummer seeing DC going down the same route, although I hope that with the success of WW, they quit doing that and do more self contained stories.

>>84240943
What the hell is Knightmare? "Got destroyed"? What are you talking about?

>>84240987
It's ok man it's ok. You're still special.

>>84240970
You're trying too hard, it's making you look like someone without much intelligence. Please, for your sake, stop right now.

>>84240782
The bit of an alien knocking out Batman alongside the Supe Stormtroopers gave me reason to believe they are allied in some way. If the aliens indeed plucked stormtroopers from the battlefield that just means that they probably are not on even grounds. These flying monkeys have a function I don't yet know about. I don't need to know every little detail about them before Justice League.

>>84240869
>Wrong.
No, I'm not. I heard quite a few people in the theater asking who he was when he showed up after Bruce's vision.

And I got it, it's not hard to get. My critique is that it's awfully placed within the movie, interrumping the ongoing plot with something completely unnecessary (we already knew what Bruce's fears were), and that doesn't really pay off within the movie but merely works as a teaser for a supposed future Justice League movie. It serves no narrative purpose at all and stops the movie on its tracks for about 6 minutes.

>>84240987
...

how old and how new are you?

>>84241013
The poor fuck is actually arguing that a nightmare is surreal and doesn't have everything explained outright when that's exactly how nightmares are.

>>84240902
Marlel butthurt faggot

See? I can do that too!

>>84240987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaZswCtNmEg

>>84241012
Which one of my points aren't "intelligent" enough for you?

>>84241024
21, this is my first "autists bitching ahout Zack Snyder's movies" thread.

>>84241039
But you're not good at it. No panache or finesse to your attempt.

>>84241036
It's a bit nuts that people are so sheltered from scifi that they need it spelled out in plain text that aliens/orcs/monsters possibly don't respect human life. As if subjugating, abusing lesser species is a foreign concept.

>>84241059
lel

so you're not even smart enough to figure THAT out?

Is your name Pat?

>>84241071
Welcome, kid.

>>84241085
As a comic reader, let me be your Flash for a second and warn you: company wars have ruined comics and have started to ruin movies as well. From here on, it will be nothing but people eating shit because of brand loyalty. You're still in time to stop it before it's too late.

>>84241133
wtf I like that anon now

>>84241103
No, I'm not. Care to elaborate?

I hope I am not the only one who hides these threads.

>>84239648
*tips fedora*

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>marlel

>>84241156
Sometimes I do. Sometimes I read them for a laugh at the autists while ironically eating dino nugs on a plate made of LEGO.

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>>84241262
>calls other autists
>spends most of his waking life attempting to nitpick a film on a Chinese human traficking board to strangers

>>84241149
I'm not sure you would understand. I mean, you just admited to being somewhat dimwitted, after all...

I hope someone introduces Reddit's /r/movies to the word "kino" and /tv/ becomes too embarrassed to use it.

>>84241287
This was my first post. I lurk. Like that Drive guy, but without a cool jacket and with a black licorice stick instead of a toothpick.

>>84241307
Well, let's see.

>>84241331
Yeah I'm sure it was. You will remain here for another five hours until the thread hits bump limit. No need to be embarrassed about your sheer autism.

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>>84237557
Snyder was just to good for DC

>>84241373
Probably, but I also have 11 other threads going (8 on /tv/, 3 in other boards) and I only posted once (twice now) in this one.

Posting on 4chan is the only multitasking shit I do. I'm usually very focused.

>>84241448
Whedon will do great in JL. This is a Whedon coming out of Disney/Marvel and wanting to do something that isn't the same usual shit full of quips he's been 'asked' to do for so long.

O have faith in him to not fuck up Snyder's vision for JL. I would be more worried if he was there from the start and not reign in by what came before and by the script and what was already shot.

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>>84241570
But he already fired one of Zack's right-hand men...

And where is Terrio?

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>>84237557
that's not Legion tho OP

>>84238002
You forgot the most important perception - the viewer. It's no wonder all the numale critics hate Superman. It's because they're jealous of him

>>84241977
Only because when they look at him they're reminded of their own baldness

>>84237557
This is objectively beautiful.

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>>84240331
Comics are for children. It's ok for them to be cool for the sake of it

>>84240970
>On the other hand, we get time travelling Flash that looks nothing like Flash showing up in the middle of the movie without introduction

Why do you assume anyone besides fans was *supposedi* to recognize him? Why must films obviously intended as part of a larger story be neatly self-contained? That's like bitching about Gollum talking about "her" at the end of "The Two Towers" without revealing who "her" is.

In short, you're a fucking retard.

BvS is bad for the same reasons that TFA is bad.

>>84237557
-no

>>84237608
Marvelshits eternally BTFO

>>84240784
>this is what Snyder does to your brain

>>84237863
This.

>>84237602
The riddik movies are better than this though.

>>84241570
>that isn't the same usual shit full of quips he's been 'asked' to do for so long.
Are you stupid? Hes built his career on snappy dialogue in an ensemble cast.

>>84239648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkfTfnpX_v8
Truly the single best line ever spoken by a villain amirite?

Speaking of capeshit should i go see wonderwoman? i really want to go see a movie today but nothing is really out. i want to go regardless. Wonderwoman, it comes at night or the mummy?

>>84237557
you could cut the first half out of the movie and it wouldnt change a thing
batman was fucking stupid in this movie, lex too
only brainlets like BvS

>>84238477
It doesn't really matter how conceptually sound Snyder's methods are when the end result is as messy and bloated as BvS, not to mention how contrived the writing gets

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BvS is true garbage because Snyder simply isn't very smart.

His fundamental flaw is his obsession with moments. People say he's a great visual artist, well of course he is, that's where all the focus goes. People say his characters are flat and lack motivations, well of course they do because all character work is subservient to crafting moments mental to awe the audience. What we are left with is really pretty pieces of shit. If you don't see this you're just in denial or have bad taste, and you're kind of stupid like old Hack Snyder.

>Inb4 adurr movies are a visual medium. Adurrrrrr

Yes, no shit. But there's plenty of directors who have proven you can craft good moment and meaningful characters if you get your priorities straight.

The priority of a good filmmaker is as follows:

Movie first.
Scene second
Moments third

Hack Snyder's priorities are:

Moments first
Scene second
Movie third

He sucks. Accept it faggots.

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>>84245364
Damn, BvS defenders btfo.

>>84237557
-no

>>84245151
You realize that Bruce's arc was climbing back up from madness and obsession and Luthor's was succumbing to it, right?

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>>84245168
pls i don't know what to go see

>>84245168
Haven't seen It Comes at Night, but having seen both the Mummy and WW, I'd say WW.

>>84245610
ok before i go, how good is it in your opinion. what would you rate it out of 10. Is it even worth it or am i choosing between 2 terrible movies? I'm kind of sick of capeshit but i'll go see it if it's kino.

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>>84245709
WW is 9.6/10

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>>84245364
Damn, DCucks can't even answer to this. Good work anon.

>>84245364
Incorrect. You and virtually every other person who doesn't like Snyder is simply unable to understand how all those moments you're talking about are tied together by the visuals. They're not just "cool." They're part of the story.

It astounds me how people who claim to love films so much can be such slaves to dialogue. You know how I know if a movie sucks? If its visuals are so unimportant that the movie might as well be an audio book.

>>84245709
I'd give it a mid- to high 7. It's just a genuinely entertaining movie. It's not super deep or anything, but it's a good watch.

>>84245943
Nobody said they are unimportant simpleton. His priorities are shit which leads to very messy movies with stupid or poorly communicated character motivations.

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You know why Lex has hair for most of the movie? Besides it being accurate to the comics lore, it would have also been a trifle too on-the-nose having the guy more interested in "branding" superhumans than in letting them be actual heroes.

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>>84246006
If you're telling a story in a visual medium, simpleton, you can choose to emphasize it more than other aspects of the story. Refusing to understand them is on you, not the film.

Tell me what this image means and why it's the start of the rescue montage that you types complain about Superman "moping" through. I fucking dare you.

>>84237557
this scene made absolutely no sense in context with the movie

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>>84246064
Is that supposed to make sense? Is that English?

>>84246152
>Besides it being accurate to the comics lore, it would have also been a trifle too on-the-nose having the bald guy more interested in "branding" superhumans than in letting them be actual heroes.

Fixed.

>>84246216
Is that supposed to make sense? Is that American?

>>84246150
Explain the Light of Elendil and how its contextual significance was conveyed in The Fellowship of the Ring. That shit disappeared for a whole movie, only to show back up when Sam fought Shelob, and we never once got an explanation of what it was and what it meant. Who do you think that little tidbit was there for?

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>>84246130
No prob faggot. The people around him represent death, particularly the life lost in his attempt to save the city at the end of fag of steel.

Now, simpleton, explain to me why that jack guy and all the autist in the Wayne building at the beginning had to be told to exit? I fucking dare you. They didn't see the giant alien destroyer 100 yards in front of them knocking down buildings? They are starring right at it so...

Again, too preoccupied with crafting a moment. But it makes no sense.

[Spoiler] btfo

>>84246290
Pretty much exactly wrong. It's there to convey that the way he's approaching his mission is leading to people seeing him less as a hero and more as a god, and that is doom for humanity as sure as anything Zod ever had planned.
4 blocks away is a little more than a hundred yards, and you can't see a gravity wave until it's crushing things in your line of sight. Also, why were people still in Tower 2 of the WTC? They didn't see that a plane just hit the building next to them?

>>84246281
so, your defense of Batman V Superman is that one part of the lord of the rings didnt make much sense?

>>84246390
Dude it was knocking down buildings in their direction with a growing radius, getting closer and closer. The people in tower 2 had no idea there would be another plane coming. Your mental gymnastics to defend this film are sad. Dude it has some great moments but overall it's a mess. And btw, I like the montage. And I love the intro. It's a beautiful movie with a lot of good moments. But it doesn't come together. And there's tons of retarded moments like the jack scene we are discussing.

>>84246413
So you're too dumb to even figure out an analogy that simple. Got it.

Let me spell it right out for your dumb ass, then. The audience doesn't need an explanation and the fans already have one.

>>84239939
>Last minute

It's been in most if the trailers tho

>>84240008
>Zack's heart was never quite in it because of his family tragedy
Nah, he did all of the filming and directing, just bits of post production could be a bit off

>>84246611
stop being a contrarian. Batman V Superman isnt a smart, misunderstood masterpiece and you know it

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>>84246390

Killer Batman for an extended universe where Wonder woman and Superman are going to be his friends is such a terrible creative choice. For example, the scene where bats and Superman first meet. Bats just killed like 12 guys and all supes does is stop his car and say "no more". Total bullshit because supes would have taken him in. But Hack Snyder wanted a moment so we got autism. It's so bad. You know it's true too.

>>84246532
Started evacuating as soon as the jets were inbound and already had it empty by the time the ship imploded. The destruction was still blocks away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnwV6AxRy_E

Total elapsed time from the beginning of the Black Zero descending to the end of the Zod fight? Approximately 17 minutes. Time between tower strikes? Take a fucking guess.

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>>84246718
Wrong point in Superman's arc. He's not fighting crimes in this universe yet. He's foiling them because he, rightfully, doesn't see himself as someone who should be enforcing law. He doesn't fight crimes, he foils them. That time out, he foiled what he viewed as the most dangerous criminal in all of Gotham.

>>84246704
Stop being so butthurt that people love and appreciate things that you don't or possibly even can't.

>>84245364
Absolutely. Snyder's movies have horrible pacing, but individual scenes are alright

>>84237577
You pleb

>>84246974
That's so fucking stupid. And where does he say anywhere in the universe that he doesn't see himself as able to enforce the law? And Bruce wasn't just a criminal, he was a murderer. He let a murderer back out on the streets. Pure autism snyderfags.

>>84246974
>dude this guy is bad! da news told me so!
>imma just stand in front of him and say stop that'll do it!

this really only lends credence to the idea that snyder's superman is literally retarded as a result of having space-downs due to being the natural born child of a 50+ year old woman.

>>84247002
Exactly. And snyderfags can't see past enjoyable scenes to realize the narrative is garbage poops.

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>you will never be a butthurt marlel spending the better part of your life trying to convince people to dislike something they like

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>>84247087
Hahahaha

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>>84247089
How is the narrative garbage? You still haven't put on words why and each time you attempt so you get destroyed. Right now you're just latching to opinions because any actual factual argument leaves you absolutely assblasted.

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What MCU directors are creating a new visual language?

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>>84237557
>"TOO GRIMDRUK N SPOOPY X-D NEEDS MORE RAINBOWS N' QWIPZ!! XD XD XDDD"

t. millennials

>>84247119
>dude some moments sync up so its perfect narrative (a term that hasn't been used in this exchange yet)

...

>>84247144
Why are you watching capeshit at all?

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>>84247183
Didn't answer the question.

What MCU directors are creating a new visual language?

>>84247215
None. I would argue that Snyder isn't either

>>84247156
It's funny the moment someone shows you the clear intention of the narrative, you just pin it on sheer random chance instead of director intention. Do you know what they call that? A mental illness. See a doctor you sad fuck.

>>84240849
>thinking ww was good

That movie was garbage compared to MoS, Bvs, and watchmen

>>84247215
Why is Black Panther's helmet so god damn cheap? Don't tell me Marvel fans are so underage that they don't immediately think he looks like cheap tv show called Power Rangers.

>>84247119
Why didn't Superman stop the batmurderer when they first meet?

Focused on a moment. Autistic character motivations.

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>>84247242
So you agree then that MCU directors are shit and have no redeemable qualities and Snyder is literally our only shot at lifting the genre from its dark pit? Glad we can both agree on that.

>>84247244
That wasn't me faggot.

>>84247119
>femmypeeny meme strips from tumblr

stop

>>84247295
Sure it wasn't. See you in the next post where you pretend you're a random bypasser when the IP count is the same.

>>84247286
I don't give a shit about lifting the genre from a dark pit because it's inherently childish and everything that has been produced thus far has been trash.

>>84247051
You know what foiling a crime is?

>>84247286
Real DC fans love Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan and there's nothing your ass can do about it. Snyder movies will be remembered as corporate shitfests that only exist to capitilize on what Marvel built.

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>>84247332
You don't give a shit because you know if you gave a shit then you'd have to speak ill of the Marvels you're so fond of. You enjoy it being in its dark infantile pit and also defend it. It's honestly depressing that you think anyone is falling for your fake act.

>>84237753
Completely correct. Style is substance.

>>84247087
The only potential Downs candidate in this thread is you.

>>84247119
Why does supes say papi Kent wanted him to do good when he clearly tells him to do nothing to avoid danger? It's almost like the narrative is garbage huh?

>>84247368
I don't give a shit because I don't read picture books for children

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>>84247358
Still butthurt that DCEU's own Universe ended up so much better than the shitty Marvel expanded TV shows, eh? Can't wait for the next episode of quipshit, where they tease at that evil purple guy in space again!

>>84247119
don't tell me you believe the Star Wars ring theory too

>>84247396
And yet you'll linger in this thread for God knows how many hours, for how many days repeating this nonsense. You are mentally ill. Seek help. No man is as obsessed with this as you are. And your fake act isn't helping your case.

>>84247318
Dude why would I lie faggot? The up count is the same because it was someone else in here.

You have terrible taste and Snyder's films are a gigantic shitshow.

>>84247390
Jonathan Kent clearly wanted the choice of becoming Superman being CLARK's choice and nobody else. It mirrors the whole "the first free birth on Krypton". Jonathan giving Clark the chance to decide his own fate is paramount to him being the bringer of a new age of free will.

I have to explain this basic shit to marvel babbys it's honestly insulting.

>>84247428
I've made four posts in this thread, all of which are replies to yours. Your cognitive dissonance is sad

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>>84247397
>2012 CGI looks worse than a 2007 videogame

>>84237557
why didn't they just make a movie about this fucked up apocalypse world where superman went crazy

instead we got hamfisted muh messiah garbage that anyone with an IQ above room temp rolled their eyes at in the theater

>>84247459
clark saving children from drowning rather than do nothing would have already represented clark choosing to be superman.

This makes pa kent angry and pa kent tells clark he should've let them drown because that would be safer to him.

>>84247455
And this is where your argument will end because each time you attempt to actually base your opinion on something substantial, you proceed to get destroyed. So you'll do this act. For months. Claim something retarded, then get blown the fuck out when actually having to put up an argument and then reverse into opinion spout. Very predictable. Very sad!

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>>84247358
This. 110%.

>posting worst sequence
True kino scene is when Clark talks to Pa Kent

>>84247460
its best not to engage the SIDF once they start accusing others of samefagging. They've come to believe all detractors from the DCEU are one or two paid shills working for disney.

>>84247484
All he did was warn him of the risks. He warns Clark, like any good father does, of his choices but he never tells him one is better than the other. That is entirely up to Clark, the bringer of free will. But as BvS tells us, Jonathan isn't talking about Clark being ready. He's talking about the world not being ready for Superman. And he's right.

>>84247358
I am fine with you pretending BTAS is great, but praising TDK trilogy beyond Heath Ledger is too retarded. Kill yourself.

>>84247519
Funny you say that since you're the one insisting on shitposting in these threads for years. Always the same hollow arguments. Always the same stubborness and refusal to either budge or get the fuck out. I guess years of having your shitty Marvels made fun of on /tv/ did some serious brain damage.

Here's the single biggest shortcoming of the MCU as I see it:

They're playing it way too safe.

I understand why - what they embarked upon was very risky and bold as far as studio ventures go, but someone in the process thought that it was so risky that they played it utterly kiddie-pool safe when it comes to narrative.

>better only kill pseudo-Talibs
>better not let the actual Norse god, be, you know, an actual Norse god
>better keep the interconnectedness of the films to a minimum
>better not make the myth arc much more complex than an old-school side-scrolling collect game

Those are my gripes. They're so tied to working with a net that the ultimate products are entertaining, but utterly forgettable.

>>84247470
maybe atheist clowns

>>84247540
the problem with this rationale is, during the scene, clark is around 8-10. 8-10 year olds don't operate on a level of potential risks or prudent action. They operate on a very simple level of "my dad was angry at me for doing this." Their subsequent action then depends upon how they feel about dad.

>>84247486
Did you not see this homosexual?
>>84247484

>>84247600
Clark has to be, and is smarter than the average 10 year old. This is why he doesn't punch back when the bullies corner him. He is smarter than them.

>>84247566
Contrarian Faggot alert.

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>>84247584
>They're playing it way too safe.
No shit. Civil War was 8 retards wrestling.

>Whedon was overheard remarking that the current state of Ben Affleck's Batman was "far too disturbed and quasi-fascist." He then mentioned he intended to restore the character to a figure of justice, not rage and revenge.


Fucking kill me.

Kino's Journey can't be ki- Wait, what?

>>84247664
And then they had to stop because the black guy scratched his knee. Everyone knows playing games are only fun so long as nobody gets hurt!

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>>84238075
>Flashpoint and Watchmen are the only kino made by DC.

>Under the Red Hood
>All Star Superman

>>84247684
Source? If he said that then he completely missed the point.

>>84247625
I'm sure that is what your mommy and daddy told you, but that is not true. Bullies only stop when they encounter someone stronger than them. Not fighting back doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker.

>>84247758
Man am I glad this idiot didn't raise Clark or we'd have some jock running around punching everyone to death.

>>84245364
Hi Nerdwriter
I like the movie overall but I agree with this point

>>84247625
>Clark has to be, and is smarter than the average 10 year old.

Literally nothing indicates this in the DCEU.

>>84247789
Your complete and total ignorance of childhood psychology is showing, again.

>>84247799
Him not fighting back does. Him not getting caught does (except the close Kent friends who knew he was special).

And there is also a scene where Jonathan explicitly tells a young Clark why he must never punch back. He takes that lesson to heart.

>>84247684

T b h though the end of BvS is the start of Batman's redemption arc, he's already going to be moving in a more positive direction

>be Superman
>Your parents tell you 24/7 that you don't need to be Superman and that you should just let children drown since saving them might be inconvenient to you
>Your dad even prevents you from saving him even if you could have and nothing would have come from it
>"My parents are responsible for what I am"
So what did Superman mean by this? Did he just never listen when his parents told him something and he just assumed they said the opposite?
Why did he destroy the truck of a guy just because he was rude?
Why does he know exactly when Lois falls from a roof but needs Batman's help to track and save his mother?

>>84247862
Why aren't you saving people right now? Answer that and you'll also answer why Clark being given the freedom of choice makes his choices so much more meaningful than a slave to his fate.

>>84247585
i prefer my symbolism to be slightly less overt, but hack snyder has to make everything as unsubtle as possible for some reason

>>84237591
Lol your parents are dead

>>84247915
99% of it would've gone by you unnoticed if we hadn't pointed it out. All you did was style yourself clever for pointing out the Jesus allusions never putting it in greater context.

>>84247850
He Is, that doesn't mean he's going to be quipping around. He can still be brooding but whedon will miss that

>>84247862

Because they told him those things out of love for him and wanting to protect him. And his father died saving a dog. Dogs are to people as people are to Supermen. Do you understand? Sometimes in films things aren't stated explicitly or even overtly alluded to, you're supposed to read into them.

>Why did he destroy the truck of a guy just because he was rude?

Because he's a superhuman with human frailties, like anger.

>>84247901
Because I don't have superpowers. Otherwise you bet your ass I would be a better hero than Superman.
I mean at least I wouldn't make out with my gf while buildings are collapsing right behind me. Instead, I would try to save as many people as I can and make out with my gf later.

>>84237557
If he was in some apocalyptic future why would he care to hide his identity? Its not like anyone would care that he is Bruce Wayne

>>84237557
Can't be killing the film industry?

Well I guess you're right capeshit is killing the film industry and BvS is a prime example of that.

>>84247977
So you're saying only people with superpowers can save people? Man I better call all those paramedics and doctors and police officers telling them their job is useless.

I ask again, why aren't you saving people?

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>>84247470
You rolled your eyes and smugly dismissed something, confident that you, the smartest person who has ever lived, totally understood the message being conveyed. You took it to be superficial and facile because you are, in fact, precisely that superficial yourself.

You were wrong. Sucks to be you. If you want utterly empty symbolic Space Jesus, I suggest you check out Superman Returns.

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>>84237666
Bask in his divine light.

>>84247993
The cowl is bullet proof and Batman is no doubt a morale booster for people fighting against alien colonization.

>>84248031
I wonder where the online rage crew was against that.

Oh wait there was none. Back then people just ignored films they didn't like instead of turning it into an online crusade like some people here.

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>>84247147
>that image
Fuck, I can't believe I read the whole thing.

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>>84247941
The greater context of him being a messiah for a new age? That he wasn't really a messiah and people are treating him like one even still? Buddy if you're proud of figuring that one out you must be one sad fucker. It's more than Marvel does which is a good thing, but it's nothing groundbreaking either. I'd rather have a Movie with a story a little more complex or interesting than basic bitch religious symbolism and philosophy. We'll never get that though because they can only make movies about things people know now to rake in those millions, it's why DC is bringing in Cuck Whedon to write their movies now.

>>84237577
Film is a visual medium :)

OP's picture looks like trash though

>>84247993
>why would Batman, a guy who calls Bruce Wayne a mask, wear his outfit in an apocalyptic future
golly boy howdy

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>>84247600
He was about 13. Old enough to start being schooled on the long-term consequences of his actions. Pa was right to make him question his actions. Superboy is a concept akin to child Jesus - something apocryphal to contemplate as a hypothetical, but terrifying to realistically consider.

Could you imagine trying to raise anything remotely like a normal human being once he starts believing his own headlines? Teenagers already suspect they're the most perfect, god-like creatures on the planet. How easy you think it would be to parent a kid who wasn't just hearing that in his own mind, but hearing it from everyone around him?

>That's a good thing you did, Anthony.

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>>84248180
The greater context of him being an instrument of human perception. What humans see in him mirrors back on them and their desires. Superman as such becomes the object which mankind stores its greatest dreams and greatest fears. He is everything and also nothing, all made in the mind of men.

Now tell me, is your favorite Marvel operating on this level of kino?

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>>84248031
And you were presented with basic philosophical and theological concepts that have been explored to death in other mediums in a nice, easy to understand fashion. Because you have an IQ slightly above room temperature, you understood what you were seeing and now believe you are somehow superior to others for it. Great job understanding a movie I guess.

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>>84248275
Hey, if you are who I think, can you give this a quick read? What do you think?

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>>84248036
I will never again doubt the Lord of Kino.

>>84248298
I hate Marvel drek even more than you do, most likely. BvS is nothing special but Marvel's movies are corporate diarrhea written for actual morons and chinks overseas.

Snyder gets props for trying to stand above Marvel's sea of shit but he needs to work on coming up with something a little more interesting philosophically.

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>>84248298
>>84248298
>Superman as such becomes the object which mankind stores its greatest dreams and greatest fears.

And so open the doors to magic.

>>84248493
why does he only have 4 fingers

>>84248448
I would say BvS is more interesting as a psychological piece rather than philosophical. It is the film of perceptions and human psychology affecting that perception. Who we are tells us how we will perceive Superman. The film points this out aswell, "we project ourselves unto him". And Snyder is surprisingly sincere about this.

>>84248566
Maybe I went into it with the wrong thinking then, I'll give it another watch later today with that in mind.

>>84248371
Reading it right now.

>>84245492
>>84245817
samefag so obvious is so sad

retard frogposter go back to /r9k/ complain about women and leave the movie to big guys

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>>84248298
truly kino, pic related

>>84248371
Not bad. Not bad at all. One thing I've always felt about Clark and Bruce's first confrontation is that Clark is playing with Bruce's primary weapon - intimidation. He's not good at it. He's had precisely zero experience with actively trying to be the intimidating tough guy. It's so not who he is.

Great read, and of course, saved.

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>>84240719
>tfw i scored in the DC

At last I can ascend to the heavenly graces of my lord Snyder

>>84248531
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>>84248945
Hey thanks man. Means a ton.

no big budget movie is a serious movie, they just want to attack consumers, not film aficionados

>>84249082
Ninety-nine times out of one hundred, I'd agree with you, but this is that rare hundredth time, in my opinion. It's something that defied all possible odds and somehow still got made - a blockbuster budgeted love letter to actual comics fans, people who know, love, and not only understand the characters, but also understand what's being done with them and why.

They actually managed to instill meaning into Superman's death arc. Who'da thunk I'd live to see that happen? Here's hoping they manage something equally ambitious with Knightfall.

>>84237608
DC gets Snyder, who's pretty much the new George Lucas, while all Marvel gets is Whedon (the new tarkovsky)

I honestly feel bad for marveldrones

>>84247844
listen son, just because your mommy, daddy, and teachers said its better to not fight back, doesn't mean not fighting back is smart.

>>84248275
>13
>still in elementary school

... the clark is retarded theory gets stronger by the minute.

>>84249702
For Clark, it's definitely smarter not to fight back.

>>84249760
Smart would've been making it clear to them they can't hurt or bully him.

Pretending they're winning is not smart.

>>84248275
golly i sure hope you're not comparing clark kent to ron howard's twilight zone episode, where clark was about 7 or 8, at most, where an accurate depiction of how to deal with a god-like child was shown and then elaborated upon in the twilight zone movie.

I mean, that would make you look REALLY stupid.

>>84250003
But not as stupid as someone who doesn't see that he would definitely go through that phase, and it wouldn't be in some isolated reality-bender's pocket universe. It would be a Pandora's box. a bell that could not be unrung.

You seriously think guys like Justin Bieber are ever going to be even remotely well-adjusted? Imagine someone like him or Corey Feldman with the powers of a demigod. Go ahead.

I sure hope you like Michael Jackson.

>>84237557
what video game is this

>>84249608

Can't tell if trolling. Whedon is literally finishing directing duties on Justice League and then directing Batgirl.

>>84250245
So, we're in an agreement that the childhood of a demi-god could never be "normal" in any way, shape, or form. Even you, a retard, recognizes this completely inarguable fact.

Yet pa kent still tries to give his kid a normal childhood and all that results is it takes 30+ years for clark to even think that maybe he should be doing some real good for the world.

>>84250460
No, we're not in agreement at all, because the easiest way to raise a demigod is to do everything in your power to convince him that he's not and that being strongest doesn't mean you get to do whatever you want, and that your actions have consequences even a demigod can't escape.

It was too late for Anthony to ever be a normal kid, but that's OK, because you're rather blissfully slipping past the implications of the closing shot of even the "sunny" movie ending. He'd learned nothing but to be sly with his new favorite "pet."

>>84240299
>not subtle
It's the perfect amount of subtle.

>>84238075
watchmen was fucking shit and you have clearly never read it

>>84248073
>I wonder where the online rage crew was against that.
in 2006?

>>84251300
The Internet existed back then too. And no, there really never was a big fuss over that scene. People saw it and nobody made a big deal out of it. The same way nobody gave a shit of cinema Batman killing before BvS. Then it was a huge issue.

Despite the film explicitly pointing out the killings are bad....

>>84249792
Bullies dont "win" anything

>>84250854
negro, son, brother.

the twilight zone episode we're talking about was built around the idea of childhood power fantasies becoming real and the effects that would have on a child's mind and behavior. To say, in a roundabout way, that weakness is part of the human composition and removing it has dire consequences, because power corrupts. Because it was a power corrupts episode.

Just mentioning this particular twilight zone episode at all in conjunction with man of steel is practically a thesis on how little man of steel respected the concepts of superman, godhood, human nature, human development, childhood developmental psychology, human psychological development, child psychology, etc, etc, etc, etc.

in mos, pa kent was not instilling in clark the ideas that might doesn't make right, that humanity was something to be respected despite it's flaws, that just because he can doesn't mean he should. All pa kent was raising clark to be was a demigod hermit. To never use his powers for any purpose. A key point the movie skips over before saddling us with 30something cavill is teenaged rebellion, in which clark would have rejected the entirety of his horrendous upbringing and had nothing in creation to stop him from crowning himself God-King of the earth.

As repressing desires/behaviors only causes them to explode violently later. Oppressed people always go fucking nuts for a while when they're freed from oppression. et cetera.

>>84251620
bullying is the weak attempting to feel strong by making others feel weak

>>84251358
correction: no one saw superman returns. The movie was boring and shit for reasons completely unrelated to hamfisted, overt, and completely out of place religious comparisons.

t. loser who was on /tv/ in 2006

>>84249608
I honestly don't think you're baiting

>>84237863
nice argument you retard. kys

>>84251758
He was teaching him to make his decisions without making either violence *or* miracles his go-to solutions for every problem, and to stand ready to face the consequences of whatever decisions you make. He died teaching that lesson. He wasn't raising a demigod hermit. He was raising an actual fucking man, one that doesn't think of himself as a god.

I recognize the thrust of your argument. You're the guy whose central "thesis" is that the movie gives us two characters - the thoughtful Clark that's fearful of his powers and the Superman that's not because "Superman!" because that's what Hollywood demanded. It's a flawed, cynical argument that you only ever manage to justify to yourself and your woefully myopic viewpoint that never connects scenes, never acknowledges the backwards reveals throughout the film, and treats each scene as if it were a wholly self-contained microcosm instead of a continuum, not because the film doesn't connect them, but merely because you staunchly refuse to.

Your argument's shit. It's always been shit, and it will always be shit.

Negro.