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ITT: Absolutely kino scenes.

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ITT: Absolutely kino scenes.
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>>84204775
Can we actually discuss why quipspeak is so fucking terrible instead of just meming and stoking a flame war?

I was just watching this show my wife likes called Wrecked, and it struck me how every MC in it has this same kind of "voice" that's hyper aware and sarcastic. It's a smug plot-insulated writer's voice that let's the characters say dumb shit but since we all know it's dumb it's okay. It's the voice of a teenager trying desperately not to look foolish and it rings so false it grates on my fucking ears. I'm not gonna preach about "honesty in writing" or anything like that although I'm sure someone else could, but what gets me is just how prevalent that voice has become in all of pop culture.
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>>84205074
Can you explain in more detail? Give me some examples.
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>>84204775
Was this movie good?
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>>84205194
I liked it.
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>>84204775
>WOAH! this scene is getting a bit too serious. Let me just tweak the dialogue a little...
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>>84205194
i enjoyed it. cool visuals with marvel tier writing and action.
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>>84205194
Meh. Disappointing. On the other hand it is one of the better MCU films.
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>>84205194
I fell asleep in the last quarter of the film. I felt nothing watching this quipfest.
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>>84204775
>meme spewing
Opinion discarded
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>>84205194
It's nice if you want a more "supernatural" superhero film. Most of the Marvel universe is just people with fancy technology, Doctor Strange actually has magic shit.
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>>84205074
In a world that has media and some self awareness about superheroes, it makes sense that they would fire off a lot of smart ass remarks. More realistically it would be profanity-laden.

The thing you're referring to is like how Joss Whedon writes his dialogue. I also find it grating, but it's tolerable in most of Marvel's movies. Most of the people who complain about quips are retards who can't think for themselves.
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>>84205345
It bears mentioning that Whedon has been writing like that since the early 90s with Buffy and stuff, and that was always pretty successful.
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>>84205167
I can't quite recall specific scenes, but I'm talking about scenes where characters "hang lanterns" on anything. "Hang a lantern on it" is a term for when the characters acknowledge shortcomings in the plot or overall writing as if it makes it acceptable, and I feel like not only has that become prevalent, but now it's a full-blown attitude. Like OP's pic. It's silly. But it's supposed to be silly, so fuck you if you don't like it regardless of there being no need for it. Writer's can't be arsed to come up with anything better than retarded quips that point out how retarded they are. Just bugs me is all, again not because it's a particular style, but just because of how many people do it.
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It destroys what it creates for safety. By mocking itself, the writer removes the possibility of critique on the basis of the created fantasy of the movie. Those snide quips are reality piercing through and, in the process, limiting the possible critiques.
If the humour is lost on a viewer they are rejoined with a 'You just don't get it.'
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>>84205264

>Uh, we didn't agree on this. The fuck you talking about...
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>>84205535
What?
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>>84204775

The most annoying thing about this scene is how it makes the villain look like an autistic idiot.
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>>84205317
>It's nice if you want a more "supernatural" superhero film. Most of the Marvel universe is just people with fancy technology, Doctor Strange actually has magic shit.

If that's how you choose to look at it. That movie really kinda made it seem like it could go either way if you chose. The way the Ancient One describes it feels like you could interpret it as magic/supernatural, or the deepest form of scientific understanding of quantum physics and how the universe works.
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>>84206390
What's autistic about it? He has a confused reaction to being told that the person he's speaking to is named "Mister Doctor" and Strange's attempt to elucidate is "It's Strange." which most people would assume is a sentence and not a name.
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>>84206441
Seriously. The only weird part is that instead of "doctor", strange should have said "It's Doctor Strange" But it's passible because a it's something people with doctorates are known to be autistic about.
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>>84206542
Yes, if anything Doctor Strange is the autistic one in this scene. Kaecilius had a very normal reaction for a dude leaking black stuff out of his eyes.
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If you're never sincere you can't be sincerely
criticised
It's like never trying so that you can say you never failed
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>>84205074
In this example the quipspeak doesn't break character though. I mean it just sounds like a genuine misunderstanding.
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>>84206716
Well, I don't show off, don't criticize
I'm just livin' by my own feelings
And I won't give in, won't compromise
I just only have a steadfast heart of gold

I don't know why, I can't leave though it might be tough
But I ain't out of control, just livin' by my word
Don't ask me why, I don't need a reason
I got my way, my own way
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Numale libcucks at the top, me at the bottom.
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>Marvel wasted Mads Mikkelsen on a shit tier, one movie villain
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>>84206874
you obviously haven't seen the episode.
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>>84205273
>marvel tier writing and action
>made by marvel
coincidence?
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>>84206914
>he watches soap operas for women and numales who think they're too smart for soap operas
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pic related
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>>84205535
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7nMvabBIQs

Look at this pussy whipped fag. Probably thought he could rent Spidey for free but now Sony's got their teeth all over his precious MCU. It's called capitalism Feige.
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He could have saved us. But we didn't listen.
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>>84206951
>>84207084

I think he means its what you expect from a marvel movie now, ever since they found the golden ratio of quips per scene, which is alright when above all you want your movie to be enjoyable. People bash BvS for its kind of stupid plot but honestly if it had as many jokes as a marvel movie I don't think people would have cared as much about it.
You have to give credit to snyder, since he at least tried to shake up the formula for what a superhero movie is supposed to be right now, but instead of bad writing peppered with jokes you get bad writing laden with gloom.
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>>84206990
>posts scene from show
>criticizes someone else for watching the show
Are you drunk?
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>>84205194

forgettable but not terrible. Well acted, good visuals. Plot and all that is your basic stuff.

The best part is the acting quality, I'd say.
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>>84207707
Benedict Cumberbatch is easily one of the top five actors of the 21st century.
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I finally watched dr strange the other day and that was literally the only good scene and the movie reminded me why I stopped caring about capeshit after the first avengers.
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>>84205074
I enjoyed the non action scenes. I thought the action scenes were lacking and I was expecting Strange to use bigger spells like pillars of light but instead we got his stupid whip thing.
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>>84207084
why is he wearing a batglove while drawing
it's very strange
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>>84206390
His name's Kaecilius and he was friends (maybe?) with a dude named Mordo. "Doctor" would literally be the least strange name he'd encountered.

Everybody treating the Ancient One as a big mystery because she was a thousand years old sorta rang hollow due to Mordo and Kaecilius seeming like they had time traveled from some primordial prehistory. Kaecilius's backstory and name (and something about his look) make him seem like an ancient roman sage or warrior who, after losing his family, moved to Nepal to become a wizard. It's just really awkward.
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>>84207813
Because he can.
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https://youtu.be/QeqEvT0UNnE
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>>84204775
>-it wouldbe painfull..
>-you're a big guy!
>-...for you
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>>84206441

Thanks for clearing that one up for us Doctor Obvious
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>>84206433

For some reason it rang a little better than Thor did in that regard.

I think it was a combination of two things. Doctor Strange takes place on earth has a doctor as the protagonist, so viewing science in more clinical, "scientific" terms fits better. Also, despite it being described as such, it's also much more blatantly "magical", with fancy handsigns and weird supernatural objects and shit.

Thor's "Science and magic are the same" explanation struck wrong because it looked more "scientific" and technological despite being set in a fantastical world. Likewise, the thought of the God of Thunder running around using... science, is actually alot weirder to take than the idea he's using magic.
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>>84208670

>so viewing science in more clinical, "scientific" terms

*Viewing magic
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Why did Mads think that Doctor is his name? Doesn't he realize that Doctor is a title for a profession?
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>>84208657

It's Captain.
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>>84208711
Captain Doctor?
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>>84208730

It's... America.
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>>84208747
Maybe, but I don't live there.
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>>84205194
Horrible. Not nearly enough scenes that are interesting visually, themes aren't explored in the slightest (lol internal life is bad cos i say so), everything was done for you to not sympathize with the main character (he loses control of his hands by getting in the most ridiculous car crash you could imagine) and of course endless quips. I mean quips can be good but why do they have to be obligatory quips.
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>>84208792
>the most ridiculous car crash you could imagine

I love that scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHfDlT1HNo
That car did everything but fuck him.
His hands look like he tried to fist Wonder Woman. Later they show his x-rays and it looks like a bunch of gravel stuffed into a pair of latex gloves.
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>>84205074
Does your wife's son also like that show?
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>>84208925
This scene is how a 12 year old imagines a surgeon lives.
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>>84209028
The way they bend over backwards to justify Strange's name popping up in The Winter Soldier is hilarious. I read someone trying to explain that he's some well known public figure, probably appearing on the news, being very outspoken about events and politics, and absolutely none of that is visible in the movie. He's basically just a better paid House only with a different disability. Which, frankly, is a good direction to go for Dr. Strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHfDlT1HNo
Rewatching this scene, I realize that Strange is going to be how Janet Pym gets out of the subatomic dimension.
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>>84204775
It's not *that* bad.
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>>84208925
>His hands look like he tried to fist Wonder Woman.
I don't get it, why would that do something to his hands?
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>>84209283
My first draft of that joke was "like he tried to fist she-hulk" but I thought I'd go for a more topical reference.
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>>84205074
Ya know this is actually why, even though it's hated by idiots who think it's the worst of the bunch, Guardians of the Galaxy actually rises above the rest of these films. The dialogue isn't always top notch but every character does have a distinct voice. Sure Star Lord and Rocket are quip machines but they're still distinctive flavors of quip machines and it makes sense for them to be so.
And instead of just being bullshit to make idiots laugh a lot of the "quips" actually have a point beneath them. The much hated Mary Poppins scene, it was Peter being his usual sarcastic asshole self but then realizing he really cares for Yondu and wants to pay him a compliment, only for Yondu to make it even funnier but only because he's elated that his son is proud of him.
James Gunn is fucking great man, and this board is full of idiots.
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>>84209437
>The much hated Mary Poppins scene,
People hate that scene? I thought it was both hilarious and, like you said, touching, and the whole theater got a good laugh out of it.
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>>84204775
>based mads acting in capeshit
So disappointed in him desu.
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>>84209437
>Guardians of the Galaxy actually rises above the rest of these films
YOU AND ME BRO

MEME OFF
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>>84209616
Explain your issue with this scene. Use at least twenty words.
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This scene was so good it almost hurt.

>https://vimeo.com/197551700
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>>84207929
That implies Kaecilius and Mordo were their original names to begin with. Chuck Giles and Larry Mantooth probably changed their names when they were named masters, because their magic names were their True Selves.
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>>84209658
It devalues a climax into a simple joke and reduces the villain previously seen as gruesome and calculating into a bafoon who falls for the oldest trick in the book and also Memelord is a shit actor with zero substance besides his Reddit-verified humor.
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>>84209730
>actor
*character
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>>84209658
Not him, so the challenge doesn't apply to me, but even as someone who enjoys the first Guardians movie, and even likes the concept of the scene (that an intensely over-serious villain is flustered and flummoxed when he finally encounters the protagonists of what is almost a completely different movie, and that Peter Quill has been satisfyingly built up as the sort of person who would challenge a galactic conqueror to a dance-off as a distraction), "turd blossom" is such a weak, flat insult that it completely ruins the bathos of the scene. It's not funny enough to support the comedy, and too intentionally-lame to support the drama.
Also, at that point the film had created a villain that was so prepared for every eventuality, so obsessed with his own physical perfection, and so capable of seizing the upper hand in every scenario, that I was honestly disappointed he didn't bust out some sick Kree breakdancing and utterly destroy the Guardians of the Galaxy with intergalactic body pops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXO-jKksQkM
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>>84209730
That's not even the climax, that's when Peter grabs the stone and sees his mom. You're an idiot.
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>>84209730
>>84209819
Thank you for actually explaining your opinions. This is rare to see on /tv/ and I welcome it.
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>>84205194
It was okay. The quips and jokes feel really out of place (lololol this big fat Chinese monk likes Beyonce, that's hilarious right?) and are definitely the worst part of it. Also what >>84206881 said.
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>>84208512
Dormmamu
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>>84209992
I'm CIA
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>when /tv/ bends over backwards to go 'i-its ok'
lmao
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>>84205074
there's nothing to discuss, really. anybody who excuses let alone enjoys it doesn't deserve to have anything explained to them. it's just bad and anybody who likes it should feel bad
>>84205194
no
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>>84209992
>>84210009
This film was entirely worth it for the memes that came from this scene.
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Beyonce? Bono? You see I'm a huge music fan which is why I keep namedropping these singers.
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>>84204775
>>84205194

Non capeshitter fanboy here.

It's a 3/10. I had to watch it two times because it was so boring and unimaginative.

There are better Supernatural episodes
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>>84210170
>I had to watch it two times
lmao
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>>84210189
Because I feel asleep halfway through*

It's a shit movie. I don't know how they managed to make magic and multiverse boring and mundane, but they did. Classic marvel.
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>>84210145
Wow, I never noticed that. Marvel is good at those subtle details.
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>>84206997
RDR was great. Riding into Mexico for the first time was Kino
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>film has two bad jokes
>so it's terrible

/tv/ has great film criticism!
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>>84207084
He sorta looks like he's doing Steampunk roleplay with that vest on.
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>>84207813
>it's very strange
who am i to judge?
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>>84210287
Have you seen Sucker Punch?
That's who he is.
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>>84210349
I haven't seen Sucker Punch.
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>>84210262
I've wanted to play it for years but they still haven't done a PC version. What the fuck, Rockstar? They can do GTA but not RDR?

Though I must say, the graphics sure have aged if that screenshot is any indication.
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>>84210362
I played it recently, it isn't that great looking. RDR on PC would be great.
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>>84210326
Nicely done.
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>>84207595
No, but you're gay.
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>>84210430
Shut up before I stick my dick in your ass and fuck you.
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>>84210360
It's the closest thing we are going to get to a modern day heavy metal.
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>>84209819
>Peter dances 80s style
>Rhonan dances 2010s style with dumpsted and shit
>Peter says that looks gay
Would be slightly funny
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>>84209730

Considering Ronan's inflated ego and self-important attitude toward his actions and mission, treating him with general disrespect as the butt of a joke who is defeated by a goof and his Circus squad was actually a good way to cap his death.
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>>84210636
Agreed. I just wish it was carried out in a better manner.
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>>84210275
>any MCU movie
>2 jokes
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>>84205074
>implying it's just tv writing
Ever been on twitter? Reddit?
It's all one quip after another.
>I think X
>sarcastic comment about X
>YASSS
The internet was a mistake
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>>84210750
It's annoying that Reddit is a bigger boogeyman than Twitter and that people actually just post Twitter screencaps on 4chan all the time with no criticism for doing so, because Twitter is so much worse than 4chan.

The character limit on Twitter means that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who uses it has to come up with a short and punchy way to state something. Which most often leads to everything they type on Twitter being a joke of some sort. I hate Twitter. Everything people say feels so fake and planned out with the intention of getting the most retweets possible for their little quip.

Ironically, Twitter PMs have no such limit and people actually tend to be genuine in those. Which makes me wonder why the fuck there has to be a character limit in the first place.
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>>84210882
/pol/ loves (((twitter))), so it's more credible source cuck
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>>84210882
Yes, twitter is absolute cancer. It's the most memey of all social media, in the sense that it encourages people to only think through memes. You almost never find any decent conversation on it, and the people who tweet the most are always fucking cunts who try to be the sassiest bitch around "hahah I sure showed him" no you fucking cunt, the only think you showed is that you deserve to be thrown into a woodchipper.
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>>84204775
I fucking hate this shit. How am I supposed to take a "villain" seriously if even the writers can't?
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>>84210990
It has a pretty fucking shitty layout in terms of replies too. Top replies are always just people sucking each other off while the actual discussion is stuck far below. Just lets people feel like they're the final word on everything because on Twitter responses aren't worth shit.

I also noticed there's a new system they have where "offensive" tweets are hidden from view unless you click to show them. Like they have some robot or something deciding to bury a tweet just because someone swore in it.
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>>84210988
pol has been shit for years
>>84211114
As I said, the internet shouldn't even exist at this point, it's a disaster and I'm pretty sure it's responsible for the normalization of mental illness in all its forms.
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>american media portraying medical profession
>rod of Asclepius is the symbol for medicine
>always use the rod of Caduceus which is fucking wrong
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>84211149
>and I'm pretty sure it's responsible for the normalization of mental illness in all its forms.
Indeed, Trump built up a lot of support thanks to Twitter.
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>>84205194
Yeah but I didn't like how dormammu was made into a galactic type character
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>>84211776
*galactus
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>>84210275
it has at least 4-5 jokes that are just as bad. it has terribly written and developed relationships and friendships. Terribly unimaginative cinematography. A terrible villain. A terrible ending. Completely average fight choreography. And to top off nearly every scene itself being boring, dull, or weak, the film is hyprocritical anti-spiritual nonsense at it's core. It pretends to be about him losing his pride and becoming more powerful through submitting to a power greater than himself, but it turns out he's a chosen one anyway who can skipp lessons and cheat and read ahead in class and succeed in magic the same way he did in medicine without any character development. He was a smarmy asshole in the beginning who almost killed himself because of his smarmy assholeness and at the end of the movie he turns into a magical wizard due solely to the fact that he kept being a smarmy asshole

and by the way did I say that the ending was terrible? HOLY FUCK. this movie fucking sucks. stop defending it.
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>>84211776
>>84211805
I was pretty disappointed by that because the Dormammu I know is awesome looking with a fire head and this dude was just a big floating head with this rippling face that looked fucking stupid.
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>>84204775
I forgot this movie existed.

The biggest offense is they wasted Mads and Tilde on this garbage.
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>>84205074
I know exactly what you mean.
I fucking hate that shit.
It's even seeping its way into video games
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>>84211898
>It's even seeping its way into video games
Such as? I haven't seen any of that in the video games I play.
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>>84211723
Yeah, those kekistan guys are morons, why do you make me repeat stuff.
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>>84211918
Uncharted, at least
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>>84211940
Repeating stuff is a good way to underline the point.
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>>84209893
Pretty sure that's the part where they kill the guy. What do you think the climax was?
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>>84211918
destiny 2
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>>84210882
I wish some of the boards had an "144 characters or more" rule. By now people just assume you are an autist if you wrote more than that. It's really fucking hard to have any form of discussion with so little.
>lmao look at this fag wanting to actually discuss anything
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>>84214116
the faggot in question didn't even try to discuss television and film though
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>>84211918
It's that like 99% of Borderland 2's content?
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>>84209434
Didn't really work that way m8.
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>>84214116
I agree with that. A minimum character limit would be a great way to improve this site yet the people in charge seem to have no interest in discussing anything resembling change. Or anything at all really. I don't really know what the fuck they do or why, because they're so pointlessly secretive. Like what the fuck is so sensitive about 4chan policy that it's only discussed within some fucking shadow council?
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>>84211669
isn't that the rod of Zongulus though?
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>>84214427
You literally just made that up.
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>>84205194
Not really.
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When I saw this scene in the cinema, people started clapping and shouting their reddit usernames out loud.
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>>84214474
Count_Sexulus!
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I don't get it. Is the joke that strange can also mean sex with a new person? And he doesn't judge because he's a liberally-minded kind of guy even though he's a bad guy?
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>>84205074
The problem I have with marvel dialogue is the frequency of thequip moments and how theyre handled. If you look at other movies like spiderman or hell even 1999 mummy the comedy doesnt really break the action as much.

In every marvel movie there is a direct pause within each delivery, just because they know the audience will chuckle. Its also delivered usually with the music or whatever ambient sounds around them toned down to almost segregate it from the rest of the movie. So it just feels unnecesary and ultimately takes me out of the movie as a whole. Thus ruining any chance of me taking the moment or the characters seriously. This is not how you build drama, this is how you make a shitty sitcom.
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>>84214800
Well, in the OP's clip, the music doesn't tone down, and there's really no pause after the line is delivered, and it really doesn't interrupt any action.

So I think you're full of horseshit, friend.
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>>84214797
No. And I've never heard "strange" used that way.

He simply thinks his name is Mr. Doctor, then thinks Strange is saying that Mr. Doctor is a strange name. He agrees that maybe it is, but since his name is Kaecilius, which is a pretty fucking strange name, he's not in any position to judge.

Hope this helped.
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>>84214864
It interrupts the action scene by the nature of existing. It's like Marvel can't take itself seriously for more than a minute before telling the audience "hey its' ok this is all fun and games no need to actually get excited and involved with these characters". Fuck this shit.
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>>84214864
I wasnt talking about that scene at all if you could read friend. In fact not every quip is bad especially when it adds to the character. But ther more frequent they are the more it brings down the inherent drama being presented as a whole. Characterization needs to be genuine or else the audience wont really take anything seriously. Which is why raimi did it so much better by letting tense moments be what they are.

Like in age of ultron where vision uses thors hammer and then they have a dialogue about the weight of it for laughs when an entire city fucking hangs in the balance. What dod this serve especially when both characters are know for their direct wholesome virtues more than their quippage. Its turning every character into spiderman rather than letting them play off of each other.
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>>84214907
Except it's not in the middle of an action scene, you fucking idiot.
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>>84215085
Yes it is you fucking shit. Mads just killed a guy ten seconds earlier.
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>>84215124
That is completely wrong. Try watching the movie next time.
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>>84205074

Kind of related but just barely is something that annoys the shit out of me on Twitch

Im watching this popular Overwatch stream and one of the other players on the streamers team knows its a live stream so he talks really loud and overreacts to everything and is trying really hard to be so "lol randum".
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>>84215192
Already watched it one time too many. Fuck that. I can barely remember the action scenes really. Forgettable as fuck TV show crap.
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>>84215368
So you admit you don't remember what happened in that movie then.
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>>84215363
I hate that too. I see it on YouTube too when the friends of the video uploader know he's recording and always try to make some forced quip. It gets to the point where even if I like the uploader a lot, I can't enjoy his videos because that asshole is always there to chime in with some stupid shit.
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>>84208527
Where is this from?
Hobbits in tha hood?
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>>84216463
That's very obviously "The Thing" you fucking idiot.
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>>84216509
Oh shit, I didn't even see Kurt in the picture, looked like a fat hippie to me.
You are right.
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>>84216622
>looked like a fat hippie to me.
But that accurately describes Kurt Russell.
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>>84215394
Is that an insult towards me or towards Dr Strange? It's true, the only thing I remember is when the bald girl dies and then they cut to quips two minutes later.
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>>84205194
it was alright, worth seeing once
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>>84216662
Nah, Like Murica style fat.
Like, how I imagined his body below that face:
A man who can hibernate and run around naked on Antarctica.
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>>84216666
I mean, you tried to claim very specific things about a scene then you later admit you don't actually remember any details. That's just dishonest.
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It was garbage, I'd rather sit in the waiting room at the hospital with a magzine.
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Eh.
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>>84216930
>Hulk 2003 in garbage tier
Fuck you, move that up.
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>>84216930
>Ant-Man that low
It was a simple, easy-to-follow movie that was fun to watch. Ant-Man felt like the first superhero movie in a long time that really appealed to the elementary school kids that read comic books and played with action figures. Deserves Mid-Tier at the very least.
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>>84205194

I will go down as one of the comfier films of recent times. Absolutely norhing special but you will always end up watching it when visiting grandma and it happens to be on cable.
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>>84206874
And to think the guy at the top ended up working at a Walmart
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>>84216930
>Batman & Robin Satanic Tier

Damn that's cold

>Blade Trinity Satanic Tier

Fuck off Patton. You'll be brought to justice for killing your wife one day.
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>>84204775
lost
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How is it even possible to make a film this bland and forgettable? I swear an episode of that Batman cartoon from the 90's was more memorable and nuanced than this.
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>>84205194
It was great, which is why /tv/ hates it so much.
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