The Cringe Island

>>84161396
get fucked.

>>84161396

When the knee grows got uppity

it was definitely around teh start of this decade

i remember early 2000 movies being good but it going to shit around 2010

>>84161396
around the 1970s

I'm starting to believe that thing that says 2008 was the last good year.

>>84161396
I would say between 2008 and 2012, when studios decided to bet on the next big thing instead of producing good movies. Disney gave the mercy shot with the superhero cinematic universe powered by focus groups and the same plot over and over again.

>>84162482
Same here.

So since kino is dead, what should we watch now? Anime?

>>84162482
*2004

>>84161396

>not getting hype as fuck when John C. Reilly finally got to eat that hot dog while watching baseball

You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>84162877
Why the fuck would you do that? All anime is garbage for mentally stunted pedophiles

>>84161396
I just watched that shit. Whats the census here? The fights were alright.

2007 is the last year I can remember where multiple genuinely great films came out.

>No Country for Old Men
>There Will Be Blood
>The Assassination of Jesse James
>Zodiac
>Eastern Promises
>Before the Devil Knows You're Dead

>>84163140

Should've just been 90 minutes of John C. Reilly being a goofball trying not to die. Tom Hiddleston and Brie Larson were both boring as hell.

>>84162652
>studios betting on the next big thing
They've been doing this since the invention of sound in cinema, the film industry is no different than it was 60 or so years ago.

>>84161396
If you mean the American cinema, it had peaked by 1967.

Fortunately, there are other countries and other cinemas.

>>84161396
Writer's strike truly killed cinema

>>84164051
Late 60s is also where I'd put it. Though there was still some great artkino in the early to mid 70s

>>84163967
Look how medium~small budget movies almost disappeared. Now everyone wants the tent-pole franchise to release 3 movies every year, making 1 billion dollars worldwide each.

>>84164125
I think the New Hollywood was mostly trash. Very few of those films are better than the European works they're usually emulating/ripping off. Also, there's a generational narcissism which is really unpleasant to sit through. The real indie people were doing great work though, as were the surviving old masters.

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>>84161396
>was it after 2008?

Year of the writer's strike


coincidence?

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When people thought this ranked with some of the best films ever made.

It's all Spielberg's fault. The hollywood blockbuster marked the death of cinema

>>84161396
when iron man came out

>>84164280
I tend to agree. Some good ones I can think of, though

Barry Lyndon
Godfathers
Last Tango
Chinatown
Taxi Driver
Network
Days of Heaven
Apocalypse Now

>>84164365
Nah, it's the fact that no one else could follow him and do the same.

Spielberg was good but he is fading real fast. We just needed someone else to come along and take his place.

>>84164406
I haven't liked anything he's made this past decade. Bridge of Spies was utter shit

>>84164476
I'm not the guy you're replying.
What about Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy?

>>84164709
Jeff Sessions was great in that

>>84164476
Munich is his best film, though.

>>84164709
Not Spielberg.

when people decided to look for art in blockbusters

>>84164392
Barry Lyndon is a great film, but not New Hollywood - Kubrick started out in the fifties, and Barry Lyndon is his mature style, his particular kind of art cinema.
The Godfather films are worthless, Bertolucci + Visconti + hoke.
Last Tango is a Bertolucci film, not American.
Chinatown is okay up to a point, but it's not as good as Cul de Sac or The Tenant.
Taxi Driver is great.
Network is a late example of 50s pretentious TV playwrighting, the aesthetic is nothing.
Days of Heaven is okay.
Apocalypse Now is total trash, if you take away what's purloined in the aesthetic or the narrative, there's nothing left, and as a view of Vietnam, it's completely specious.

>>84164476
He definitely hit his highpoint in the 80's

Almost everything post 2000 is not great to utter shit

The way everyone on this thread seems to be treating "cinema" as synonymous with "American cinema" and "American cinema" as synonymous with "Hollywood" is the source of half their dissatisfaction.

>>84164977
Fuck! My bad.

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Honestly what was the point of this scene

>>84165369
The point is "fucking dinosaur!!"

>>84165070
Wasn't necessarily talking about New Hollywood in particular, just American cinema in the 70s.

I see that sentiment a lot about the Godfather films on here. I'll have to give them another watch. It's been probably fifteen years since I've seen them.

You got me there. For some reason I remembered it being an American production and release by Bertolucci.

Agreed on Chinatown.

I think Network is good, not great, and totally disagree on Apocalypse Now.

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Oh well. At least we got a bit of titty.

>>84165070
>Apocalypse Now is total trash, if you take away what's purloined in the aesthetic or the narrative, there's nothing left

What a fucking retard.

>>84163092
i didn't manage to watch that far, too much cringe

When you grew up, you cynical rose-tinted glasses wearing faggot.

>>84165746
Brie "I love black cock" Larson

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>something something send the cavalry
>I am the cavalry

>>84165070
kill yourself

>>84161396
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>>84162482
>>84162780
>>84162652
>>84163383
>>84165094
2007 is widely considered the year where everything went to shit
2007-08 Writers' Strike
Mainstreaming of social media
PRISM Internet-spying program begins
The Big bang theory
Tumblr founded
Michael Bay's transformers
iPhones
The Cake is a Lie
Keep Calm and Carry on
Great Recession begins
Crank That Soulja Boy
Keeping Up with the Kardashians
Obama begins his campaign
History Channel begins to show not-history shows

>>84167117
>Keep Calm and Carry on
what has this got to do with 2007?

>>84162877
You should watch the words in a book as you read them.

>>84167198
2007 is when Keep calm and carry on (a very cancerous meme) first appeared on Google Trends

>>84167185
Holy shit.

Also,
>Iron Man 1

>>84165070
Pretentious douchebag.

Alien 3 probably, when studio interference literally destroyed the film

>>84163113
This, thank you based anon.
Weebfags should have their feet cut off then their legs cut off then shot and killed.

>>84167185
There's a certain sickness/wrongness in the world now and a lot of that is perpetrated by the media.

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>>84161396
1939

>>84161396
There's always been a tug of war between art and commerce. I don't mind it. With so many mediums and avenues available now, there's so much more opportunity for creators to deliver.

Godzilla was so much better than this. Samuel L Jackson is awful, he's just a meme machine. This one should have cut 50% of the dialogue. Dear Billy, YOUR DAD IS DEAD, YOU LITTLE SHITHEAD

>>84161396
Around the same time television and the internet also became shitty.
I blame Obama.

>>84167242
I thought Iron Man 1 was pretty good actually. It had a unique flavour to it that the later MCU movies did not have.

>>84162393
>>84162482
>>84163042
>>84163383
Jaws (1975) or around then. Movies returned to being a visual spectacle rather than things that were supposed tell us about the human condition.

>>84167521
What an absolutely cretinous dichotomy.

ITT: 20 somethings pine for good old days that they never actually saw

>>84167185
>Obama begins his campaign
bullshit, Obama's presidency wouldn't have been so bad if bush hadn't left him with a shitty ass economy

You can't deduce the decline of a medium from a few disappointing years in one stream of the medium in one country.

Most of what's wrong with big-budget Hollywood films in 2017 is a development of what was wrong with them in 2002. The superhero genre targets an undiscriminating demographic who will go and watch movies they expect to hate for completism's sake. Once consumer satisfaction is no longer really part of the equation, because your audience have to come to your movies because their social lives revolve entirely around media consumption, the game is permanently rigged for the producer against the disinterested (in the true sense) consumer.

>>84165369
More like
>Honestly what was the point of this movie
This film is pretty much done just to give them a reason to release another Godzilla film then set up a Godzilla vs King Kong film

>So at what point cinema started to degrade as an artform?

1980, Heaven's Gate, and the end of director-driven cinema.

>>84161396
Cinema died after Jaws and Star Wars.

>>84161396
when was transformers? I feel like it was around the first transformers

>>84161396
I blame the MCU.

>>84165746
You know there are nudes out there, right?

CGI. The Matrix is the only movie to not ruin itself with it. Practical sets bring better performances out of the actors.

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>>84167521
>muh blockbuster killed cinema

TV, VHS, DVDs, Internet and technology in general killed cinema. When you look at it, cinema is an ancient practice from days when showing moving pictures had to be collectivized because of the cost. Bringing tens or even hundreds of people to watch a movie together? What for? Every single one of them now has a screen at home. Cinema is an overpriced product that companies try to push through deception and monopolies. Let it die.

>>84167521

Jaws is kino. The dialogue shits all over the majority of modern movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMl1NbR0h_A

>>84163383
Nah, 2014 was the most kino year in recent memory. We got:

Gone Girl
Boyhood
Interstellar
Foxcatcher
Whiplash
Nightcrawler
Grand Budapest Hotel
Leviathan
Noah
Two Days, One Night
Inherent Vice
Calvary

>>84171511
>"Give me a kiss"
>"Why?"
>"'Cause I need it"

Gets me every time. Jaws is brilliant.

>>84161396
pretty much.

>>84167242
better movie than anything Marvel made after.

>>84167986
No, we definitely saw it. Anyone saying the 60s, 70s, or 80s is dumb. 2007-2008 is the correct answer. We were all alive before that.

post her leaks

2016 was good
Batman v Superman Ultimate cut edition
Nice Guys
Accountant
Live by Night
Tarzan
Autopsy of Jane Doe
Doctor Strange

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>>84165369
I found it funny because it was suppose to be the noble sacrifice but he fucked up beyond belief.
Like in Aliens when Vasquez tries to set of the grenade but its a dud.

>>84171545
>bait
>bait
>mega bait
>small bait
>bait the size of a fucking skull crawler

>>84165369
This movie should've been about Vietnam soldiers being sent to Monster Island. Loki and Tittie McBoobs were unnecessary characters

>>84172701
Brie was so stupid. Bitch of a photographer and then out of nowhere can aim a flare perfectly into the eye of a skull crawler.

Those two were pointless.

>>84172732
Don't forget the random Asian chick who was the black guys waifu. Most our of place character.

These cock suckers look at the stupid shit people are watching on youtube and realize most media consumers are absolute nigger faggots and kids (or both) so why even try to create a good product? Poop, candy, kid punishment, and pedo cartoon character videos get a hundred million views on fagtube.

Entire fucking company should be shut down but the government no doubt uses Google as a massive data mining tool.

>>84167292
>he says this on a site founded by weebs and filled with weebs

When did /tv/ become hipster and elitist?

>>84161396
1920

>>84162482
2008 was when 4chan went to shit and all you normies started flooding in.

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>>84167185

When film discussion became dominated by plebs like you, who just saw the new yify rip of the latest meme flick and rush to /tv/ with your doritos-encrusted fingers to shoot out a thread about it

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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386468/year-culture-broke-armond-white

2004

>>84175665
who would want to pay to see trash like this?

The only real answer to that question is post 2000. It's when studios started investing massive amounts of money into huge franchises. The Star Wars prequels started in 1999, as did The Matrix, Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter started in 2001. I think the first Pirates movie came out around then too. They were all great movies but it really ushered in the era of "franchise movies", and making movies by committee. It eventually led to the shit we have now.

blame hackson, for his cgi shit that got all the jews high on that shit like cocaine in a kindergarden.

>>84167185
pretty much.

>>84163967
>le right generation

You're utterly deluded if you think the film industry has not changed from the 60's to now

The 80s were the absolute end to film as an art form in the mainstream

Blockbuster commercialism and shit-tier direction became the norm after star wars and James Cameron

>>84172013

guuuuuu beeeck 2 reddeeeeet

>>84175739
The beginning of the milennia was just a slow build up to the absolute cultural shit show we have going on now.

>>84175775
Who would torrent nothing but manchild movies and whine about muh cinema is dead? Go download The Handmaiden or something, redditor.

>>84176581
I am an optimist, I expect movies to be good. I am willing to give a movie a chance. Thus I am often disappointed, but such is life after 2008.

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>>84175494
>he never played Halo 3 in its prime
Forever and ever, sonypony

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>>84167095
imagine him reading the script for the first time

>>84175888
Lucas did it first

>>84176739
Are you people all like 18 or something? I could probably list 50 absolute shit major movies from 2008, it wasn't some golden era just because you're nostalgic for The Dark Knight

>cheesy, non-pretentious monster b-movie with good effects and fun action
>death of cinema is declared
>500.000 capeshit movies a year with the same exact plot, characters and direction plus every action blockbuster following the same exact formula
>ahah dcuck beaten again by mcu xD bvs is K I N O how dare you wonder woman kicks spidermans ass

>>84161396
The moment the MCU started, so 2008

The 30s and 40s are considered the golden age for a reason. Everything afterwards is a slow decline

>>84176997
>I could probably list 50 absolute shit major movies from 2008
what are those?

Skull Island was weird, it had that "when does it start? Oh, it ended already" thing to it.

>>84166766
Leafy? Is it really you!?

>>84177539
probably shouldn't have started in the first place

>>84176739
> I expect movies to be good.

People like you have ruined cinema because you expect the new Elle Fanning flick to be a masterpiece.

>>84176997
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Hancock
Quantum of Solace
Meet the Spartans
Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert
Fool's Gold
Jumper
Step Up 2: The Streets
Vantage Point
10,000 BC
21
Superhero Movie
Street Kings
88 Minutes
Deception
Made of Honor
You Don't Mess with the Zohan
The Happening
The Love Guru
Meet Dave
Swing Vote
The Rocker
Death Race
The House Bunny
Babylon A.D.
College
Disaster Movie
Bangkok Dangerous
Righteous Kill
The Women
My Best Friend's Girl
Eagle Eye
Fireproof
Miracle at St. Anna
Nights in Rodanthe
Beverly Hills Chihuahua
How to Lose Friends & Alienate People
City of Ember
Max Payne
Passengers
Delgo
The Day The Earth Stood Still
Pride and Glory
Saw V
Four Christmases
Nobel Son
Transporter 3
Seven Pounds
The Spirit

If anything, 2008 was an especially bad fucking year

>>84179405
Checks out

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>>84171288
Yeah I've seen them. It's just nice to know she still got them even if she got skinnier. Or maybe they're just push-ups. Oh well.

>>84172800
The obligatory asian role because it was produced by the chinese (Legendary and Tencent pictures).

>>84178559
>Elle Fanning flick

h-her clit?

>>84167185
2007 though had some peak moments, especially in cinema and video games. it was the peak before the world went to shit though

>>84175494
halo 3 was one of the best parts of 2007 though

>>84163113
>>84167292
these

>>84173058
Be the change you wish to see in the world

>>84167242
But it was a good movie

>>84171511
Jaws sucks.

Big, fake plastic, dumbass shark.Doesn't even look real.

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>>84163383
>>Zodiac

David Fincher haven't made a good movie since Fight Club

>>84161396
Everything was better when you were a kid, nostalgiafags need to shut up
The only thing in decline is big studio blockbusters just because it's bubble waiting to be burst, and that's not the first time in history either, it's a cycle

>>84164315
It was a good movie, it's one of my favorites, but yeah its not the "best of the best"

But no, it has nothing to do with the decline of cinema, actually, if you want to blame something blame Batman Begins which made remakes popular

>>84167185
Stop posting this you moron

I only watched the intro, the jap and american guys fighting. It was so bad. Starting your film with such crappy intro isn't very exciting. It was so predictable and poorly made

>>84161396
It never was much of an artform to begin with.

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>watch only blockbusters
>wah why are movies so shit today

>>84161396
I bet it's shit but it's MY kind of shit. Is there a high quality rip available to torrent yet?

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>>84161396

But the Kong movie actually had a ton of life and creativity in it. It had a weird sense of humor and a lot of great visuals.

Kong was a B-movie on an A-budget. The director actually managed to put his style and personality into the film which is in opposition to the real cancer that you're talking about which is execs hiring indie filmmakers and bland hacks so they can steal their movies from them. Pic related is the devil, not Kong.

>>84179405
holy shit

>>84179405

BASED anon

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>>84167521
>implying Jaws isn't entirely about facing your fears in a healthy way

The Mayor fears that the town will suffer if he closes the beaches and that gets people killed. Then he fears being thrown out and only then does he hire the shark-hunter. He never faces his fears, only appeases it.

Brody fears the sea. He's made the first step of facing that fear by settling where he did, but the ultimate test was going out to hunt the shark. He's guided by Matt Hooper, the only man in the movie who never really shows any true fear or hate. Brody and Matt getting along is a sign of Brody going the right way.

Quint on the other hand went too far battling the fears that were born the day his ship sank. He let it consume his persona, to the point where he doesn't even have a full name when we meet him in the movie. It's just Quint, the shark hunter guy. Because that's how much he's lost in his battle to battle his fears in the wrong way. This ultimately leads to the sinking of his boat, the only thing he puts any value in, and his own painful death when he wouldn't just return to land.

>>84161396
whenever movies became an event, rather than something to do. now every year normies go watch the avengers movie, or harry potter or some shit. its just what you do, like watching the thanksgiving day parade.

>>84175494
>hating on Halo 3
Nigga even /v/ loves Halo 3

>>84167521

Holy fucking christ this post is so brain dead retarded I don't even know where to start.

>>84185045
king kong is not on par with harry potter though

>>84179405
A lot of these were actually good. Can you name what is an indisputably `good` movie in your opinion?

>>84171511
it's perfect. it's a genuine pleb filter. one of the best movies ever made

>>84161396
I think film as an artform degraded when the medium moved to digital. Look at any film or television show made today. It's over saturated hyper real garbage that completely ruins the tone of anything it touches.

Remember when movies were made on film?

Me neither.

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Skull Island? More like...

I'll probably say film was starting to be shit around the early 2000s but probably, as some here say, it became much worse around 2007 till today.

I think the rise of social media has made people very self conscious and much more afraid of take risks because of fear of online criticism and memes. The new comedies like Baywatch are really awful, and you can feel actors are very self conscious and trying too hard to act cool and dumb to be likeable to their fanbase. Nobody wants to be a serious artist and be laughed at by Twitter and other social media.

Also, the look of digital film, too much reliance on postproduction, bad lighting and excessive CGI doesn't help to make pictures attractive

>>84186305
Which ones there did you like? I'm sure some of those there have an appeal but I don't think I included a single one that had a good critical consensus around them.

Some people would've put Twilight on there but I think the first one is actually pretty enjoyable, especially that silly baseball scene.

An indisputably good movie? Maybe Die Hard, everybody likes that. Lawrence of Arabia if you want really unassailable quality.

I thought it was decent but fuck me they did a bad job with setting up the continuity of the journey

I had no idea how many helicopters or soldiers were there because every scene seemed to have more

>>84175494
>Halo 3

Does not deserve to be on this list

>>84179405
>Hancock
>Quantum of Solace
>21
>Seven Pounds
these were decent

>>84188176
They weren't any better than Kong: Skull Island, that's for sure

>>84181975
He's made much better movies since Fight Club

>>84184991
That's actually a good way of looking at the movie

I always thought it was just a well made monster movie set in the ocean

>>84163383
>tfw if The Assassination of Jesse James came out in 2008 it would've swept the Oscars
>tfw we could've gotten the kino director's cut that Dominik talked about wanting to release a few months back