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http://www.indiewire.com/2017/06/twin-peaks-diane-asian-orientalism-stereotype-exoticism-1201844974/
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>>84161214
she's getting utterly destroyed in the comments. Not one positive one.
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>>84161214
pastebin you faggot
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>>84161355
That's because nobody cares about Asian pride, not even Asians.
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>white bob hair cut and kimono means shes Chinese or aping their culture

You think someone named Hanh Nguyen wouldn't be so fucking racist.
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>>84161467
it's a kimono robe and her appartment is littered with oriental ornaments. it's not bad either way but it's not just the wig.

also Josie Packard left the show IRL because she didn't like being an oriental fetish, so there's some merit to the issue, but not to the extend the author suggests.

I'm asian. This isn't offensive. The article got your click anyway, so maybe lesson learned.
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>>84161552
You think I clicked that shit?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX19-S4-V54
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>>84161552
Can you source her not wanting to return?
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>>84161552
>Josie Packard left the show IRL because she didn't like being an oriental fetish
She was a popular actor in China at the time and she requested to be written out because of her schedule. Afterwards she said she regretted her request.
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>>84161552
>also Josie Packard left the show IRL because she didn't like being an oriental fetish
She left because she wanted to pursue other work.
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>>84161697
>>84161713
>>84161727
she did want to return but she left because she didn't agree with being part of the oriental trend that was going around in the 80s and early 90s (orientalism was an issue then). she wrote it in her blog quite recently but yes, said she regretted it:

>With the ignorance of my youth, and the influence of the PC factions in the Asian community, I naively rebelled against being an exotic flower. I believed that I should want to be something more meaningful.
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>Problematic Orientalism
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>>84161713
>>84161727

an article from the SAME FUCKING WEBSITE

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/05/twin-peaks-joan-chen-character-return-david-lynch-1201831401/
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keep crying chinks
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>>84161214
>white person gets offended on the behalf of other races
How privileged
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>>84161214
>>84161859

>call the right snowflakes to be ironic and snarky
>not realizing the irony oozing from veins
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>>84161859
>Chen reportedly asked to be written out in order to go after other acting opportunities
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>>84161951
Rollins was straight up being a dick in that bar. sorrynotsorry.
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>some nobody blogger says something dumb
>cue alt right whining about it
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>Diversity is our Strength
>But don't indulge in any other cultures but yours, PIG

>>84161900
>That name
>White
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>>84161598
>you think i read before im triggered??
No.

>>84162026
These writers couldn't survive without these dumb motherfuckers sharing the articles to get angry with the rest of the cool kids.
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>>84162028
>>>But don't indulge in any other cultures but yours, PIG

you forgot the part also where
>you white Americans don't even have a culture of your own, it's all stolen!
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>>84161999
Yeah that was fucking uncomfortable to watch. And his Iranainfu was so shy and didnt know what the fuck was going on.
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>>84161951
>When somebody tells you to get in the van
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>implying using the word orientals isn't problematic
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>>84162117
he was just looking for a confrontation which is what he loves to do. I mean, I get it. he just needs to chill out.
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>>84162117
>Iranainfu
i think that's the famous iranian photographer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirin_Neshat
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>>84161788
I never got that "exotic flower" thing from her character. Also she wasn't originally the woman they had in mind. Isabella Rossellini from Blue Velvet was their first pick but I guess they went with Joan Chen because they couldn't get her or the studio wanted her because of the apparent orientalism going on back then.
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>>84162227
And she was damn cute as hell.
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>>84162028
>don't indulge in any other cultures
maybe you shouldn't, look what happened to you
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>>84162227
There were on a 'date' and i Henry acted up because the cameras werw on him
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>>84162026
I'm a leftist and I think these sorts of articles make our collective political alignment look like hot garbage.
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>>84162290
Welcome to the club, buddy.
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>>84161900
Not white but probably born and/or raised in a white country
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>>84162232
>"The part of Jocelyn Packard was originally written for Blue Velvet actress Isabella Rossellini, with whom Lynch was romantically involved. In the event, her modelling commitments for Lancome made it impossible for her to play a recurring role in the series, though the original character's name, Giovanna Paqualini Packard, makes it clear for whom the part was intended, and would have given Blue Velvet fans reason to laugh when Cooper sees Giovanna and asks, 'Who's the babe?' (108, David Hughes, The Complete Lynch)
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>>84161214
>>84161859
3 possible scenerios

1)David Lynch knew this was going to happen so thats why he made the character to get people talking
2) David Lynch is funding these articles and forum posts
3)Liberals are easily ass blasted
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>>84161214
These are just written as satire, aren't they? I mean, no one could actually be this idiotic, right?
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>>84161214
>indiewire
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>>84162026
Facebook and Twitter and Youtube are saturated with this shit. Maybe if you left your safe space for once, you would see that.
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The fuck is otherizing
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>>84162396
I don't fine it that outrageous to be honest.
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>>84162396
Usually I prefer to see a joke but these guys are deadly serious
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>>84161214
I love how indiewire went from generic movie news to this SJW site, but their readers haven't changed so every outrage article gets shit on in their own comments

I know it's all aimed to get clicks and bad response to an article is the same as good, but the sincere clowns writing these things must be annoyed
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Imagine being so uninteresting you have to complain for attention.
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>>84162396
Asian Americans (including hapas) are the single most triggered demographic in the country in terms of "actual reason to be outraged" weighed against their outrage. They're the biggest crybabies currently out there. As one of the richest demographics with both the lowest rates of incarceration and the highest levels of education and employment, they are collectively doing better than fucking white people, yet their fiery college graduate spawn still need a reason not to have the horde turn against them. So they pump out this sort of fucking trash.
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>>84161355
>utterly destroyed

She'll be fine. You can calm down.
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>>84162232
but she's a stock "mysterious exotic woman from a foreign world who casts men in her spell" character. it's like a moll from film noir but with added Eastern flavor.

again, I don't really have a problem with it and Chen herself regrets her decision the issue is kind of moot at this point.
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>>84162396
They did an article on premiere night about the violence towards women in the show. They're not joking.
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>>84161214
Asianfag here. We literally don't care.
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>>84162541
hi Hanh
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>>84162613
are you me? we all look alike after all.
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>>84162613
We know. It's just fat white bitches and self-righteous negroes who won't shut up about it.
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>>84162597
Someone watching Lynch and expecting it to pander to their 'safe space' mindset would have to be delusional.
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>>84161214

Wouldn't a rational person just assume that the character has an orientalism fetish and is kind of a tacky person vs calling the show racist?
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>>84162613
Same
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Roasted.
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>>84162678
No, there's clickbait to be written and outrage to be wallowed in. Any variety besides vanilla will be destroyed, and vanilla itself will be persecuted due to not properly representing all the different kinds of ice cream.
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>>84161214
This feels like the Scarjo Ghost in the Shell casting "controversy" all over again

why are Caucasians the most easily triggered of people and conversely asians the most most chill?
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>>84162678
>be at work
>we have a woman working in our cali office.
>Last name "Nguyen"
>never met her in IRL
>assume shes asian
>2 years go by
>her and her husband fly to the east coast for a holiday party
>husband asian
>coworker was White with blond hair and blue eyes
>she too her husbands name
>MFW i thought she was Asian for 2 years
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>>84162613
I like you Asians. You're alright.
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>>84161999
> Rollins was straight up being a dick

You could have stopped right there as that describes every interaction he's ever had with another human.
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>>84162793
wtf i love Japan now
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>>84162824
>Hanh Nguyen
>Caucasian
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>>84162678
>women
>rational
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>>84161214
Gotta be satire at this point. There's no way anyone could be tone-deaf enough to write a serious article like this after 2016.
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>>84162793
>implying this isn't just a white person saying bullshit
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>>84162824
Because whites got jealous of all the attention minorities in America/Europe got
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>>84161214

I want Hanh Nguyen to be trapped in a doorknob.
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>>84161214
Was she appropriating hispanic culture?
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>>84162026
>b-but alt rite

>>84162097
>b-but yuh triggering
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>>84162793
>not knowing a false flag poster when you see one

>>84162874
he's nice to other celebrities.
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>>84162891
> implying it hasn't happened before
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>>84163004
Kek
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It's somehow become inappropriate to be a blonde in a silk robe, according to "liberals". Isn't this kind of ironic?
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>>84163026
Fair point, ok, it describes every interaction he's ever had with a normal human being who doesn't have the power to destroy what's left of his career.
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>>84162917
>>84163026
How would that undermine the argument itself?
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>>84162434
Facebook and Twitter are for fags, and YouTube recommended videos are based on what you click on.
congratulations, you played yourself
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>>84163084
no Japanese person would actively go to such lengths to protect an American whitey.
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>>84161214
>media doesn't understand Diane represents transcendental meditation
journalists are so fucking dumb
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>>84163174
>click bait
>journalism

Choose one
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Nobody cares what these nobody e-journalists say about anything, so they keep trying to get a rise out of everybody for clicks. It clearly works since it's being posted here
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>>84163174
These people are not journalists, they're glorified bloggers at best.
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>>84161355
Fuck you.

Also fuck Hanh.
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>>84163084
Because white people are inherently evil and racist and the reason my life sucks.
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>>84162613
Same. We dont care.
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Are Asians who use electricity appropriating European culture by doing so? Should they be made to give it back and pay reparations?
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>>84163233
>white people
you mean THE JEWS
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>>84163259
isn't that basically what patent trolls do though?
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>>84161214
Remember b4 the internet when you got an "english/communications" degree from a college it was considered worthless.

The internet is finding work for these once homeless/frycook people.
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>>84161552
Stop spewing fucking lies you colossal faggot. She left cause she wanted to do other work.
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>>84163259
This meme really doesn't work with Asians.
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>>84161355

It's 90% /tv/ shitposters loaded with so many spelling and grammatical errors that it's retarded. There's literally a "Dr Pavel I'm CIA" in the comments.

You're all fucking idiots, both the author and the people who post in this thread, myself included for thinking that this post is going to do anything but get meme responses.
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>>84163451
That's a big observation.
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>>84161214
>Asisan-Americans Defying Traditional Stereotypes
>More are becoming Lazy and Stupid

Based Onion

http://www.theonion.com/article/asian-americans-defying-traditional-stereotypes-1046
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>>84162793
>>84162917
>>84163026

kek, I posted that shit after seeing this thread.
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>>84162379
Is lynch the trump of cinema?
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>>84162613
Holy shit I always suspected he was chinese.
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TP s.3 is making SJWs cry? Good.
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>>84163451

You've got a big opinion of yourself.
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>>84163097
>casting black people is racist
duly noted
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>>84163223
>>84163451
>>84162541
all three of you should kill yourselves. If you actually go on facebook, their are SJW's calling the article stupid
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>>84161214
K Y S
Y
S
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4chan is a racist website. Moot stole image boards from Japan and culturally appropriated anime.
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>>84161214
Reminder that Japanese people are even more racist than white people.
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>>84161214
the nice things about these articles is they are shooting at a target who couldn't give less of a shit. like out of all directors, david lynch probably cares the least about this sort of stuff. it's not a politics thing, it's just that david lynch doesn't pander to anybody
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You people know they write shit like this for clicks on their site ?
They dont give a fuck about the reception of their articles, the more controversial bullshit they write the more money they get, I'd wager none of the writers of these stupid articles actually believe the bullshit they write down
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>>84161788
lmao you niggers don't know what orientalism means; Evola and Guénon were orientalists, not this fucking retarded new-age fetishism for asian-ish things
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>>84167892
>he thinks these articles are targeted at directors
No wonder clickbait works on you literal retards.
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>>84167814
Reminder that every race has it's racists.
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>>84161214
>orientalism
i was under the impression virtue signalling white faggots and sjws just dont care about what the ACTUAL Races they are projecting for actually think about this

pro tip asians dont care
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>>84161214
I knew Laura Dern would be Diane a year ago...
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>>84162793
This person is just a victim of the systematic racism. They're basically brainwashed into thinking that white people wearing kimonos is okay.
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>>84161214
weebs BTFO
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>>84168714
>Diane will never invite you over and excitedly show you her anime collection
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>>84162613
Its literally only whites and asian-american women in their 20's-30's who care.
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>>84161214
>giving clickbait attention
how did you dimwits not learn from anita? why do you keep doing this?
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>>84168319
no shit sherlock, her connection to kyle was obvious from the get go.
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this is why trump keeps on winning
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>>84170496
>why do you keep doing this?
Why do you think they do it, you moron? Becaus it gets attention and (You)s and replies. Nothing these fags around here like more, than virtue signalling their endless outrage at endless outrage.
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Kill all white people
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>>84162917
eh it's not the first time I've read something pretty much like this from some jap person, also some weird/broken english
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>it's a problematic episode
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>>84171347
That's every episode with the new Twin Peaks apparently.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8XARUOmBWs
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I actually want leftists to get tired of this form of leftism. Not because I care about the left, but because this shit is BORRRING. Not that I think the left will recover from this for a long time. There is no sign any decent number of them will become sensible any time soon.

I mean, I am often vocally critical of the left, but actually political compasses always place me quite over to the left. But dammit I hate these people. So much.

Like, people can just say whatever they want. WHO CARES!!!!!
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literally everything on the modern vietnamese menu is stolen from when the french occupied them
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>>84171424
i knew those french faggots ate dog
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>>84162177

"Orientalism" is being used to call out people who use the world "orientalism", and everything that goes along with that, as a holdover of post-colonial prejudice and ignorance.

That said, I'd bet that Lynch probably has irl friends who wear kimonos on the regular and are cigarette and coffee addicted weebs with tons of money to live however they think is most comfortable to them.

Post-80's Lynch is pastiche as fuck; getting superficially offended by his use of tropes is retarded, especially when this is the most amazing thing to happen on TV in at least the last decade.
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>>84163271
These people you refer to as """The Jews""" are white people who want you to think they're Semetic.

Fuck you for helping them
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>>84171554
I hate Edward Said so damn much. Worthless shit-stirring academic cunt is as complicit as Judith Butler in promoting so much baseless nonsense that spread this school of outrage/offense we have to endure today.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvkqr-S-1Ac
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>>84161214
>being interested in foreign culture is problematic
I thought not being interested in foreign culture is problematic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlEJbs02wAM
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>>84163451
Fucking kek.
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lmao the original run of Twin Peaks is some of the most "problematic" television ever produced. (Tibet mysticism, most of the female characters, the Aubrey/Cooper thing, the womyn punching scene) i'm glad it kinda got popular on tumblr just to see these articles pop up, it's like they've never been exposed to Lynch before.
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>>84171676

I graduated undergrad in '07. My gf at the time went on to study Comp Lit (French and Arabic), and I continued on in philosophy.

She would explain political/social shit to me, and I would explain people like Said and Butler to her (basically the more difficult theorists she was assigned). We had a similar sense of humor, and made racist jokes all the fucking time between ourselves; yeah, it was ironic racism, but the last girl I was with literally told me, "ironic racism is still racism". Things are more complicated than that, dum dum.

The problem isn't academics, or intelligent anons who care about social justice, or just trying to understand shit. The problem is this younger generation of SJW's who don't understand shit and just jump on the bandwagon because it's the latest fad "cause", but who don't really understand the intellectuals they cite in the name of their ultra-PC shit.

Stupid people are stupid, no matter what side of what cause they identify with.
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>>84163451
>It's 90% /tv/ shitposters
Man, 4chan really is the boogeyman of the internet.
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FUCK TRUMP
FUCK WHITE PEOPLE
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>>84161355
Don't think people who write comments ever read Edward Sayd
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got some コーヒー and pie

>>84172158
>>84172158
>>84172158
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The following are """""legitimate""""" nouns, verbs and adjectives entertainment """""""""""critics""""""""""""" use in the social media era:
>problematic
>mansplaining
>white people
>white males
>cultural appropriation
>objectification
that's just off the top of my head, i'm sure you can think of many more; and most of it comes from bitches
>diversity
>oppression
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>>84171554
Stop using orientalism if you don't know what it means it annoys me a lot.

Being a weeb is not being orientalist.
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>>84172590
What else do you expect from retards who majored in intersectional marxism to do for a """"""""""job"""""""""""?
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Bunch asshole college kids with shit majors pulled this shit at a local art museum that let you try on a kimono. It was givnen to them by the NHK and Japanese goverment, but these idiots didn't care. They had their widdle feelings hurt and were offended. Most of them were whife tok.
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A Japanese friend was telling me how a friend of hers was telling her that she should be so offended by the Anthony Bourdain ep in Tokyo because how weird it makes Japanese people look. She pointed out it wasn't like they made stuff up. That is in Tokyo. And the show was to highlight the crazy nightlife of places around the world.
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>>84161214
What the fuck? That's not even Asian.
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>>84172338
Probably because he's a terrible writer who almost out me to sleep reading his shit.
He had good points tho
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((((Nguyen))))
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>>84174139
Is should clarify I only agree with how it's wrong to clump all Asians together under the term oriental. I don't care about "cultural appropriation", given that a lot of my friends enjoy it when people take an interest in their culture. They hate weebs tho, understandably. I also don't like when people use the word "white", for the same reasons. Although it's mostly Americans that do this for some reason.
Guess that's my blog post over
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>>84162434
Leave safe space for facebook and twitter, retard?
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>>84171693
>vladimir putin
kek
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>>84174173
hello newfriend
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LYNCHED
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>>84161214
What was that one Lynchkino where Laura Dern actually looked attractive
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>>84161214
Based Asian supremacist
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>>84175894
Pronounced: "Why I Hate Bracks"
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>>84161951
That dude has a thick neck
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>>84162026
>some lefty make a statement about what the mayority of the sjw think
>hur hur hitler ghost is behind me!
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>>84175894
This cant be real. If it is, kek
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>>84161399
>not even Asians
They do, they just don't bother defending pieces by WMAF sluts who are just virtue signaling while her husband is busy buying kekistan flags.
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>>84167278
>their
>SJW's
>facebook user
>thinks he has any right to call others stupid
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>>84161214
Japs would choose whites over Vietnam Fucking Shits every day of the week!
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Do these people understand that culture has always influenced other culture? Do these people NOT understand that THIS is the result of "multiculturalism" where everyting goes to the blender and forms a same, indinstinguishable mass?
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>>84172065
pretty much this.

If I understand it correctly, Orientalism isn't Westerners stealing Oriental culture, but about Westerners creating a fictionalized account of Oriental or Near-Oriental cultures that in little or no way reflect reality, not to discuss those cultures but simply to portray an antithesis to their own culture that can then be used to establish whatever values or norms the author wants to portray as "normal".

To be honest, it's not even inherently negative, and it's probably something people of every culture do with every other culture.
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I'm Japanese, and I had to listen to people complain about a Kimono exhibit in the museum of fine arts in boston being orientalist. The people saying this were vietnamese, chinese, white, indian, none were actually japanese, and nobody realized that they do the same exhibit in fucking japan.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is this is almost always bullshit, and most people don't actually care.
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>>84161214
why does this vietnamese mountain monkey think they're Japanese?
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I'm >>84178502 , and this comment on the article sums it up beautifully.

>I am japanese, in japan at this very moment. The only people who think culture shouldnt be shared are racists like you.
A vast majority of Japanese people actually enjoy other people making an effort to spread and enjoy japanese culture, and encourage it. Many make businesses in deliberately taking pictures of people in kimono. A common omiage (gift) for foreigners from japanese people is traditional japanese things such as kimonos, tea seats, shisa dog statues, ect.
And to top it off, basically 80 percent of japanese customs, traditions, and food, came from other countries. Japanese is an integration of different cultures, like america. Japan takes influences from places like korea, china, russia, and europe. If japan stuck to itself, there would be no tempura, japanese tea, tea ceremonies, kabuki, japanese bread, japanese curry, j- pop, anime, cars, or modern fishing techniques. The show is not making fun of asians. The only reason that you have a problem with this is because that actress is white and you know that it is acceptable to crap all over white people. The only racist here is you.
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>>84163451

>It's 90% /tv/ shitposters

What is with this recent trend of angry liberals blaming 4chan whenever the public shits on them?

Sony, Amy Schumer, etc.
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>>84167278
>telling someone to kill themselves.

Hello there reddit
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>"Embrace other cultures and be a Globalist you fucking shitlord!"
>"....Wait, stop embracing other cultures and Globalism you shitlord!"

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS ALREADY
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>>84163451
This poster is incredibly mature and also cool and intelligent
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>>84178849
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>>84163259

This is how it is with this and all other claims of "cultural appropriation".

"Cultural appropriation" is patently bullshit to anyone and everyone with an IQ high enough to think about and analyze it for more than 5 seconds.
It is and always has been a retarded, hypocritical concept that only exists to attack whites with and generate noise and excuses for whining.
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>>84178923

Fuck Kim Jong cutting deep.
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>>84172590

It's Orwellian Newspeak. All of it.

No words in our language existed to represent their cockamamie ideas and ideological nonsense, so they made up new ones.
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>>84178923

>North Korea has a stronger, more grounded connection with reality than Western SJW's do

I'm scared, guys. These kinds of people are allowed to vote in our countries.
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>>84179122
The Chinese make fun of it, too.
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>>84161552
The actress that played Josie wrote Lynch a fucking letter begging him to have her character return in S3. What the fuck are you even saying you daft cunt?
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>>84178602
>>84178502
Without the Chinks kimonos wouldn't even exist
Damn pasty ass niggers whining about "cultural appropriation"
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>>84161214
>problematic
haha
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There's also an article about how Lynch telling Diane to change her attitude is very mysoginistic.

They will always find something to bitch about.
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>>84173217
The friend was a white female, no?
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>>84163451
>hurr durr it's 4chin raid again!
Stop trying to make that happen
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>>84162290
I'm somewhat leftist and I don't consider myself a liberal any more because it means almost nothing, and what meaning it does still have little meaning it does have is contentious and kind of unpalatable
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>>84162678
it's plebs
plebs assume every character that isn't an explicit villain is intended to be a moral paragon and someone worth copying, when in reality more often than not characters are just characters
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>>84161214
I'm not even sure there's anything oriental about how she dresses and there's nothing oriental about her apartment.

Cultural appropriation is the dumbest thing ever. Should we all stop wearing pants? Who knows who invented that?

At this point we should just avoid articles that have words like
>significant
>problematic
>matters
in title.
It's always just white people being offended for somebody else.
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>>84161214
>writes for a blog
>complains of cultural appropriation
>uses the concept of cultural appropriation
>writing about american popular culture
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>>84161214
Maybe I'm stupid but I really don't understand what this article is about? Her wearing asian inspired clothing is wrong? I seriously don't understand.
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>>84161214
>uses the term "Orientalism"
>Points fingers and calls others "problematic"

Really Wews the Lad.
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