Rank Michael Mann's filmography.

Excellent: Manhunter
Very Good: Collateral, Miami Vice
Good: Thief
Just Ok: Heat

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>>84119782

>>84119782
> not a single capekino to his name
> "filmmaker"

>>84119837
>no last of the mohicans
kys

>>84119904
Yeah, i have not seen that one. Great contribution to the thread though, telling me to kill myself bc of it. Really adds to the discussion.

>>84119837
>Heat in OK-tier
kys

>>84119988
Massively overrated here and in popular culture. It's not that good. The operator stuff is fine, but Deniro and Pacino are on autopilot and neither of their arcs are especially interesting. The 'iconic' face off scene is deflating as well, as it's very shown to be a 2-shot. As such looks like over-the-shoulder television direction. You make some good points though, otherwise.

>>84120076
I misspoke, it's not ever a two-shot, they might as well as not have been on set at the same time.

My favorite, more subtle and best writing
The insider

Absolute genre masterpiece but too obvious and perhaps too perfect when a lot of Manns appeal comes from the fragility
Heat

Pure Mann flaws included
Collateral
Blackhat
Miami vice

Cut from the same sensibility as insider but with less brilliance I still love it for its overall atmosphere and spirit
Ali

Earlier Mann, excellent but does not speak to me as much, feels too rough around the edges and 80s and hadn't transcended the Melville and peckinpah influences yet
Thief
Manhunter

Not sure what he was trying to do here but didn't enjoy it
Public enemies

Still need to see and very much looking forward to but wanna keep them for special occasions
Mohicans
The keep

A very rare and precious filmmaker I hope he gets to make a few more films before retiring and not just crime dramas

>>84120076
kys

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>>84119782
top tier
-the insider
-last of the mohicans
-heat
very good tier
-collateral
forgettable tier
-miami vice
-manhunter

>>84120076
>>84120156
Strongly disagree about this opinion, they were on set together but the choice to minimize the duel was very conscious. You can be absolutely certain that he had shots with the two of them together but decided not to use them in the editing room for good reasons. Less is more etc. What you mistakenly identified as uninspired or lazy TV directing is in fact careful virtue of modesty, producers probably pressured him to use money shots for trailer and he took the most difficult choices. Just watch the shitty cop film they made together in the 2000s when they're on screen together to compare and notice the difference. Seeing them together makes it lose all its aura.

>>84120076
Kys

>>84120441
>Just watch the shitty cop film they made together in the 2000s when they're on screen together to compare and notice the difference. Seeing them together makes it lose all its aura.

This does not hold water. If you dig the film and it works for you, that's cool, but obviously whomever directed the B-movie you're talking about isnt as skilled as Mann. Though while I do enjoy his work generally, i can't agree that that scene would have lost anything had they appeared on screen together, but rather felt more alive or tense.

>>84119782
overrated: The Insider
bad:Public Enemies, Blackhat
good: the rest

>>84119852
MY FUCKING NIGGER

>>84121037
They appear together In the last shot which is more powerful because it's the only time they are together

>>84122038
Fair point mate

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>>84119782
The Insider > the rest