This is an important movie we can all learn from

(((They))) killed him because of this movie

>>84111226
The orgy scene was too accurate.
>>84111199
This was kino but I'm interested in what you took away from it OP. I took away from it that couples should be honest and stay loyal to their partner

>>84111277
>I took away from it that couples should be honest and stay loyal to their partner
Yes. We have been given the gift of marriage.

>>84111353
The movie's message rings even more true now, in the age of open relationships and other debauchery

>>84111199

Reminder that the prostitute that sacrifices herself for him was one of his patients. In that compoation scene of him seeing all the different patients, shes one of them and hes feeling her breast. So she probably had breast cancer, knew she was done for, and sacrificed herself for him.

We figured this out in a thread a while back


also, nicole kidman comes from a VERY wealthy family. The type that would be in that orgy. And one of the families maids sued them because she was regularly sexually harassed and beaten for their sick entertainment and she named Nicole as one of the people who would hit her the most.

>>84111613
>We figured this out in a thread a while back
That might have been me, lol. Two summers ago?

>>84111613
I thought the prsotitute was the one that almost overdosed on heroine at the old guy's party. think her name was Mandy or something

>>84111634

probably. It was like two years ago.

I was screencapping scenes and we were analyzing her body to figure out who she was while also combing the credits on IMDB and the closest we got was this chick whos in a previous scene for literally 3 seconds.

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>>84111226
Well I'm sorry to hear that

>>84111682

No. Mandy was really thicc and pale skinned and had these chubby natty tits. The masked one was tall skinny and tanned.

>>84111682
Watch again. Your mind is fucking with you.
>>84111687
Sounds right.

Nicole Kidman was fucking hot in this movie. That scene where she's standing there bare assed, Jesus Christ.

Did the costume sellers daughter have something to do with the orgy? Was there significance about her telling Bill to wear a cape stuffed with something?
>>84111613
>And one of the families maids sued them because she was regularly sexually harassed and beaten for their sick entertainment and she named Nicole as one of the people who would hit her the most.
When are we told this?

>>84111720
Could it have been the woman with HIV?

>>84111745
>Did the costume sellers daughter have something to do with the orgy? Was there significance about her telling Bill to wear a cape stuffed with something?
I don't think it's actually significant. The movie is filled with coincidences that mean nothing.

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>>84111738
She's hot in this movie and Batman Forever.

>>84111782

no. her body was different and she had tattoos the other one didnt. Believe me, we went full weaponized autism on this shit like two years ago.

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>>84111720
>>84111729
You guys are probably right. Compare ths pic

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>>84111738
It's those Venus dimples.

>>84111613
wtf that's crazy if true. does anyone have a source for the maid suing nicoles family ?
can someone link me the archive with the old thread where you figured this out?

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>>84111818
...to this one

>>84111846
What do those pics have to do with what's being discussed? Mandy did die in the film, and that's her in the morgue. It's whether Mandy was the woman at the party that is being debated.

>>84111738
She was hot, but she seemed like such a bitch. It was difficult to root for her.

>>84111892
The woman in the morgue was the one that was killed. I'm trying to understand wether Mandy and the prostitute that sacrificed herself were the same woman

>>84111846
I'm convinced this is supposed to make you think it's Mandy. The woman at the party more closely resembles the woman in Bill's office.

>>84111738
What does Jesus have to do with it?

>>84111927
They aren't. Mandy is the woman in the morgue from what I can tell. We don't know what happens to the woman at the party. Watch the scene where Ziegler confronts Bill again. He's connecting the dots so that Bill will be able to go on in comfortable ignorance. Don't take my word for it.

Just how deep is EWS?

>>84111832

it was somewhere in here. Take it all with a grain of salt though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTm_6nUCKKE

>>84111927
Bill would know if it was Mandy or not - plus her death was in the newspaper. I don't think there's any doubt that Mandy died.
The question is whether it was related to what happened at the orgy. She may have not had anything to do with it, and just died anyway.
Everyone seems to assume that the person that took the punishment died, when really we don't know what the repercussions were at all.

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>>84111199
Its a shit movie, a movie about nothing, too pretentious for me.

>>84111927
Obviously it was you fucking retard

How isnthis even in dispute? Did you fall asleep during his end conversation with the jewish puppetmaster?

>>84112039
I agree with this analysis as much as any about this aspect of the film.

>>84112070
I'm just not going to say it for certain but if you asked me point blank I'd say I agree with that.

>>84112053
It's a movie about pedophile rings in the upper echelons of society

Everything makes more sense if you substitute the women for children at these parties

>>84112130
What did the Illuminati mean by this?

Do you think this film is about Kubricks experiences with certain people?

>>84112039
The newspaper said an ex-beauty queen overdosed. The woman at the orgy could have been the one that appeared in the newspaper, they made her murder look like a suicide

>>84112165
That's an interesting question. I'll consider

>>84111613

>breast cancer is incurable

Smart scenario you got there.

>>84112165
Almost certainly

>>84112227

>strawman posting

>boring normies who think this film is unironically about sex and not the occult

Did Alice attend the satanic orgy? I got the feeling that she did, seeing as she mentions the dream of multiple men fucking her while Bill watches and the fact that she took out the mask Bill had hidden and placed it on the bed, taunting him

>>84112172
But Dr Bill would have known if it was Mandy in the morgue or not. There is no doubt that Mandy died.
I'm not saying the woman didn't die, I'm just pointing out that we don't know if her punishment was even death.

>>84112295
I was just considering that myself

>>84112271
What makes you think it isn't about both?

>>84112316
When bill goes to the morgue he neither confirms nor denies that the corpse on the table is Mandy. Plus it's weird that a random woman would just go up to him and tell him "get out you're in danger" if she didn't;t even know Bill. For all we know the woman who sacrificed herself was mandy, Bill didn't recognized her because of the mask but did recognize her at the morgue but didn't tell anyone

So who were the couple that acknowledged Bill during the orgy? Was it the husband and wife whose party they attended at the start?
And what were they going to do to Bill once he was undressed?

>>84112334
Sex by itself doesn't mean anything.

You are supposed to be unsure if the dead girl is the girl from the party, because you are supposed to be unsure how dangerous these men truly are. There's no definite answer. I personally leaned towards it being the same woman.

>>84112420
fuck him in the ass

Also, was Sandor, the Hungarian adulterer the host of the orgy or what?

>>84112416
I'm pretty sure he tells Victor that Mandy is dead - so that pretty much confirms it was her in the morgue.
Again, I'm not trying to argue if it was Mandy or someone else. I'm just pointing out we don't actually know if the woman was killed. It is never said the punishment is death, and Victor goes on about Mandy's death because Bill brought it up.

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>>84112493
yeah mandy is dead and they're the same woman

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>>84112334
>>84112442
>implying kubrick can't juggle 2 themes at once

Bill was the kind of guy who was like most of us: christian upbringing, big believer in life long marriage and being faithful to your wife. The movie is in part about that kind of guy having to think about the shit he never thought about:his wife wanting to fuck someone else, he being unfaithful, men being defined by how many women they've fucked (the chads calling him a fag).

Anyway, some other anon yesterday made a thread asking what the 20+ minutes of cut footage would have shown to have changed the movie. the one thing I can think of is some hints at child sacrifice/abuse at the mansion party. I can definitely see (((them))) cutting that out for sure. then the mansion party just looks like an orgy and (((their))) critics can shit on the movie because they say it was just about sex (which is what they did).

>>84112562
GUESS I'M GONNA HAVE TO REWATCH THIS LATER

To specifically confirm that it is indeed ambiguous, as I believe most people think. Fuck that one dude on Wikipedia.

>>84112762
Interpreted like a true cuckold.

>>84112868
you lack reading comprehension, retard. the movie wasn't just about that I said.

>>84112904
This movie was purely based on Kubricks dealings with certain kind of people, who he came to detest.

It wasn't about putting on a chastity cage and saying lmao fuck drumpf, or whatever you think was kubricks "other" vision

>>84111199
Why does a thread with a brief OP like this get 60 replies, when my 1000 word post about why it's a great film got 10 :^(

>>84112992
because tl;dr

>>84112562

>apple

lmao kys my dude

>>84113056
Lovely argument you have there dude. I'm saving up to buy a high end pc

>>84111226

>kill a director because you didn't like his movie
>still release the movie

Not very smart for being overlords of the world

>all these posts about whether or not the girl who warned him is mandy when it actually doesn't fucking matter whatsoever and has nothing to do with the point of the film

Why, lads?

>>84113101
This board is obviously autistic. What did you expect?

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>>84113088
really made me think... #woke#100

>>84113137
But i'm autistic too

>>84113101
>>84113137
>he doesn't analyze every facet of the kino he watches and is only interested on the plot and broad themes
ADD-addled plebs the lot of you

>>84113101
go back to watching rick and morty and tossing your own salads

>>84113203
But this entire movie completely symbolic and about fidelity and bill's male ego fighting his subconscious, it doesn't matter what the identity of this specific person was. It literally DOES NOT MATTER

>>84112987
>This movie was purely based on Kubricks dealings with certain kind of people, who he came to detest.

>IMPLYING KUBRICK CAN'T JUGGLE 2 THEMES AT ONCE

Jesus christ man. The Illuminati zionist shit was the DEEPER layer, the sex commentary was the shallow layer. Yes obviously Kubrick wanted to make a movie about asshole elites who don't value human life and have big mansion parties with pseudo religious themes, but he used the shallow layer to mask that a bit so that the movie was still marketable to the general audience.

It's like saying The Shining was JUST about him faking the apollo moon landing. It wasn't JUST about that. That WAS one of the themes. It also wasn't JUST about Indian burial grounds. It wasn't JUST about a spooky hotel. It was about all those things combined.

EYES WIDE SHUT

E W S


J E W S

>>84113360
Perhaps, but we post it for fun, just like those threads asking why Marv turned into a skeleton, it's inconsequential

>>84113366
You shouldn't get worked up like that man. You'll only get your blood pressure up and become stressed.

>>84113360
I see they already conditioned this one.

>>84113360
It's fun to speculate. Not to mention Bill doesn't know what to believe, so us speculating really shows that as an audience we don't even know what to believe.

Hollywood parties and orgies aren't as fun as in this movie. It's just famous people snorting coke and watching porn stars fucking random whos.

Well, there are the pedo parties, but i've never been to one of those.

>>84113088
if they didnt release it, it would look even more suspicious

>>84113470
Go on..

>>84113470
>>84113516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eeGX4SlF1s
Its docukino

>>84113516

Just that. There's not much to tell. Imagine a huge party in some mansion in the valley. Tons of famous and not so famous movie and television stars. Tons of famous and not so famous pornstars. Some studio executives and somesuch. Complete randoms trying to get in the business or just get laid with someone famous. Tons of booze and drugs. Then some orgies here and there.

The first few times is surprising as shit. The whole oddity of seeing that wholesome guy from the tv snorting coke on the back of a pornstar you fapped to. But then that novelty is over and you start to see all these people as a bunch of sad fuck-ups like the rest of us.

Also, these are the type of places where most of the casting couch is done. Is where movie stars are born. Specially if they're females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAjdhWOMGI

>>84113649
It goes a bit deeper than that. While it's true those people are sad and lost, they are ultimately serving the enemy of God and mankind, Satan.

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Are there any other good movies about secret societies?

>>84113649

Lots of really big stars, specially the wise ones, they star clear from that shit. These parties are the best place for a studio to blackmail the shit out of someone. When you're starting as an actor or whatever going at one of these parties is almost essential. Suck some dick or whatever to try and get some deal. But then years later when you're a superstar that tape of you fucking a 17 year old in a party will hunt you forever.

What does the title 'Eyes Wide Shut' mean? That they know what's going on, but they're purposefully not doing anything about it?

>>84113871
Its all around you, all the time but you cant see it. Thats what I think it means.

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Acclaimed french critic Michel Ciment discusses the conspiracy theories in documentary about eyes wide shut.

best analysis ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAjdhWOMGI

>>84113366
>Illuminati zionist shit was the DEEPER layer, the sex commentary was the shallow layer
You got it backwards like all autists. The sex is the most important theme of the film. The Illuminati shit is the hook so you can get your boring friends to open their minds to see this movie. You think your fat ass boring pieces of shit friends would even start this film if you told them it was about a guy trying to cheat on his wife? You think anyone would open that kind scrutiny into their sexuality? No, the world was (and still) not ready. So we need a hook so people at the very least get talking about this movie and then BAM the real shit gets on. The nature of marriage, monogamy, ego, the urge for passion against our boring lives.

>Whoa rich people have sex and they can do whatever they want
I mean yeah that's fucking super interesting, we certainly didn't knew that.

>>84113203
>He over analyzes unimportant elements of the PLOT
Only interested in the plot
>Wants every thing explained even when not needed because he missed the fucking point
The identity of the girl

Now that's a pleb if I saw one.

>>84113741
LMAO at Satanic plebs. The ultimate ruse the powerful have played you into.

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>We'll ever get to see the original cut


>Feels bad man720p(YIFY).MKV

>>84112053

Stick to capeshit, kid.

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I feel like she's so unimportant to the film I want her to play a larger part in the narrative but she feels like a red haring

Either that or she was more important in the original cut

>>84113649
>The whole oddity of seeing that wholesome guy from the tv snorting coke on the back of a pornstar you fapped to.
It's amazing that we still get surprised when we discover that actors are... actors. A testament to their skill, really.

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>>84114625

My Polish waifu.

>>84114625
She plays the role of seducing Bill and trying to bait him into committing adultery, just like the streetwalker and the dead guy's fiancee

>>84113786
that gift should be renamed Women

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>>84114329
GOOD GOY

>>84114692
She doesn't seduce him she just clings to him when she needs help and they don't really speak again until the rest of the movie.

http://www.deepfocusfilmstudies.com/eyes-wide-shut-jewish-identity.html

intradesting

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Kubrick is very self conscious, he's got lots of "structure" and metaphor and so on... But just having structure and metaphor doesn't make a great film, in my view. I've probably seen fewer Kubrick films than most everyone in this thread, though from all his periods, but every one I have seen (possibly excepting the early and somewhat anomalous "Killer's Kiss") had what I would call a lack of visual structure. There are lots of ideas, and lots of visual tricks, but the spatial architecture, which in what I would call a great film consists of the way lines and surfaces and angles and light and movement combine to create the meaningful visual expression that I find in Ford and Hitchcock and Rossellini and Bresson and Brakhage and Kubelka, is lacking. His films have for me a curious visual "emptiness," a feeling that the imagery is a kind of vacant vessel for stylistic and thematic and plot flourishes ("redrum" and all that), and this is true for me from "The Killing" to "Full Metal Jacket" to "Eyes Wide Shut, to choose three I've seen in recent years. Their hollow core suggests "A. I." (which I also disliked) as his perfect subject, I suppose, as was HAL, but he doesn't do enough with that hollowness in his own films to make it an expression in itself.

As a war movie, "Full Metal Jacket" seemed rather predictable too -- I just *knew* it was the African-American who would get killed.

>>84114948
Her father implicitly offers Bill a night with his daughter. She's supposed to represent the fantasy of sleeping with a nubile teen, the dead guy's fiancee is the fantasy of coveting someone else's wife and the streetwalker is just a manifestation of the madonna-whore complex. They're less characters and more symbols and it shows that Bill stays loyal because he declines all three of them

>>84115034
>>84114625
she's suppose to represent the thing nicole kidman reveals to bill: the true nature of women as promiscuous creatures who can easily fall into the life of sex. Bill knows that whoring out your daughter is wrong, and yet he (and us) can clearly see that she does not mind, in fact it was her idea and she enjoys it. It is why it is such a mindfuck for Bill (and us) who has a conservative normal mind.

It all ties into the theme of entering a world in which fucked up things are "normal", like kubrick entering the world of the elite

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>>84111199
>>84111226
When you realize Kubrick named the movie EYES WIDE SHUT, pointing out how everyone has been programmed to be asleep to this shit.

>>84115033
I too haven't seen many Kubrick films, but I don't mind his visual "emptiness." In all his films it really feels like the space around the characters is a character of its own. The viewer gets really good views of the space the characters inhabit.

The way the visual aspects aren't close up and in your face means that the viewer is allowed to sit at a safe "distance" and is free to dive in and zoom in on any and every corner of the shot to analyze it for himself, and this could be called a form of expression in itself tbqh.

>>84115360
100% this, one of the themes of the movie was the unpredictable nature of women of wich most men are oblivious to. In the real world, excluding 4chan culture men unironically believe that women are good and caring and that they represent all the good traits men look in women. Not that there's anything wrong per se with the real behaviour of women but the thing is most men believe women think like men. Big mistake.

>>84113824
I once heard that most politicians and powerful people under the elite are "forced" to fuck children on camera as a way to have them under their leash forever.

>>84116011

There's nothing forced about it, though. If you're someone big you eventually find yourself in a situation where a hot young girl will be offered to you thanks to your peers. Sometimes you don't even have to get your dick wet. Just being in the party, without knowing much, because you were invited is enough. Someone will have some record of you being in the same party a young girl was raped and that's it. Done deal. You're a slave.

>>84111199

I can honestly say I didn't learn a single thing about this movie. I'm poor and not in a relationship. What could I possibly learn?

Or for that matter, most of us. Show of hands, how many of you are wealthy, living in New York, married to a beautiful wife, and been involved in a secret society orgy? Anyone?

>>84116286
see >>84115743

You will never see women the same way again. You'll realize things like loyalty and honor are foreign concepts to them. The ones who get it are the exception, not the rule. How does this not apply to you going forward when looking for a relationship? don't be a retard

>>84115034

no its supposed to represent lolita express of pedophile kids being sold by their parent.

Look into her eyes she looks under a spell. Clearly mk ultra mind control along with all the other women including Alice.

>>84111745
>>84111792
>"Do you want to see where the rainbow ends ?"
> Store literally under a rainbow
>At first we feel like she is a depraved slut that want to fuck older men
> Then we realize it was an ingenious plot to get more money from the japs
> She knew about the party
> She already been there
> She is minor
She is litteraly what is under the rainbow, the rainbow is the orgy, still classy, the hidden stuff is pedophilia